Ascetic /lit/

[Anonymous No.13997396]

What should someone interested in living a more ascetic lifestyle read? Religious books are fine, but philosophical works or even novels would be great. So far enjoyed Thoreau (even though his writing is almost unbearably smug) and Seneca

[Anonymous No.13997403]

JBP? I think he only recommends eating meat (no sweets), cleaning your room, hygienic practices (washing penis)

It is a good start imo

[Anonymous No.13997417]

>>13997403
gr8 b8

[Anonymous No.13997437]

>>13997396
Read the Taoists if you want a true minimalist perspective, without becoming a depressed Buddhist monk trying to brainwash your self out of existence.

[Anonymous No.13997451]

>>13997396
"The sayings of the desert fathers" is interesting.

[Anonymous No.13997458]

check these out OP

(sufi)
http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/hadiqat.pdf
(vedantic)
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.490169

also this >>13997437

[Anonymous No.13997462]

>>13997437
>Once, Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering about, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know that he was Zhuang Zhou.
>Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and the butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.
Is this the Daoist equivalent of the waking and dreaming states of Advaita? Is he making a non-dualist argument?

[Anonymous No.13997488]

>>13997462
No, I don't think he is at least not right there. There are various parts of the Tao Te Ching and the Zhuangzi which clearly imply non-dualism and which mention an immutable One; but that passage doesn't appear to be one of them. Rather than hinting at a continuity between the two states the text emphasizes their distinction and transformation.

[Anonymous No.13997516]

>>13997396
all of anicent Hindu texts, the Taoists, the Stoics, The Bible, the Desert Fathers, Schopenhauer, Coomaraswamy, Guénon, Evola, Eliade, Heidegger, Archbishop Averky

[Anonymous No.13997545]

>>13997516
Based post. All of these are solid suggestions.

[Anonymous No.13997626]

>>13997396
I heartily recomend The Way and its Power by Arthur Waley, along with The Wisdom of Insecurity by Alan Watts.

[Anonymous No.13997752]

>>13997396

That bloke's wearing a lot of ostentatious knick-knacks for an ascetic

[Anonymous No.13997787]

>>13997516
>all of anicent Hindu texts,
gay poopoo peepee. not even ascetic, will tell you to get sex tantric masturbation from brown thai woman in illegal basement
>the Taoists
confucianism is way superior to that larp
>the Stoics
gay and overly psychological, will tell u to get a job and stop being a pussy, basically a smarter version of ur boomer dad
>The Bible
not specifically ascetic but good read
>the Desert Fathers
literally who?
>Schopenhauer
bitter old retard, not even ascetic, literally cried like a bitch when he heard a loud noise
>Coomaraswamy, Guénon, Evola
three fags and trash memes
>Eliade
more like eliadGAY
>Heidegger
dude was a retard, existentialism is for fags
>Archbishop Averky
literally who (might be based idk)

[Anonymous No.13997808]

>>13997396
Foucault, The History of Sexuality, Vol. 3

[Anonymous No.13997853]

>>13997396
why do some ascetics cut their hair completely while others leave them to grow long?
inb4: some stupid explanation like not caring
feel like ones with long hair usually have some occult connections

[Anonymous No.13998266]

The Philokalia and the Desert Fathers or bust my friend.

[Anonymous No.13998291]

>>13997808
>Foucault
Big yikes
>>13998266
>The Philokalia and the Desert Fathers
This is what you should be reading, OP

[Anonymous No.13998565]

>>13997853
It generally depends on the rules of the monastic order or sampradaya that one joins. Some shave their heads for various reasons such as that it represents them no longer taking part in normal life and maintaining one's (regular) appearance. Others may keep their hair long in homage to the familiar iconography of Shiva as the long-haired yogi meditating in the Himalayas for example.

[Anonymous No.13998618]

>>13997437
Are Buddhist monks really depressed? Is that a thing? They seem so happy to me, from what I've seen. And Buddhist philosophy resonates with me pretty well, personally. I can see how someone might take a depressing perspective on it though, seen from a worldly and self-believing vantage, whereby the notions of impermanence and non-self seem to ring as pessimism rather than plain realism.

[Anonymous No.13998666]

>>13998618
>it rings of realism and not pessimism (which only worldly people would think btw) because its actually real lol
>t. totally not biased

[Anonymous No.13998706]

>>13997396
Check out The Coiled Serpent, while it is a little bit dated and the science in it is a bit more pseudoscience at times, it’s core messages about moderation and spirituality ring true even today, perhaps more so than when the book was first written.

[Anonymous No.13998730]

>>13997787
cringe af

[Anonymous No.13998782]

>>13998666
Well, I'm not a Buddhist myself, nor am I well-versed in the philosophy, but as someone who originally thought of it as being depressing from my own vantage, and later forgot about it and came back to it with a different mindset, I could now see it in a new light. I'm a worldly person myself, but I was contrasting the notion of being "worldly" versus "renounced" - not critizing a population as such. Just my perspective here.

[Anonymous No.13998887]

[Anonymous No.13999749]

>>13998565
yeah but what is the meaning of that iconography

[Anonymous No.13999756]

>>13998730
cringe af

[Anonymous No.13999766]

>>13997396
I disagree with Thoreau being smug but obviously check out our boy Emerson's work. also, Confessions of Saint Augustine

[Anonymous No.13999771]

>>13998618
nah it's just some 50 cent army moron seething because buddhist chads took over his civilization and tradition with sheer merit

[Anonymous No.13999830]

>>13997403
How is eating meat ascetic?

[Anonymous No.14000184]

>>13999830
It's an extremly simple way of eating, it keeps you satiated and healthy so that you can focus on other things, and it's perfect for intermittent fasting

[Anonymous No.14000196]

>>14000184
>It's an extremly simple way of eating, it keeps you satiated and healthy so that you can focus on other things, and it's perfect for intermittent fasting
this but for poop instead of meat

[Anonymous No.14000229]

>>14000196
Go be vegan somewhere else

[Anonymous No.14000416]

>>14000000 literally just posting this so I can find the get and this was the thread I had open

[Anonymous No.14000421]

>>14000416
Not worth it

[Anonymous No.14000463]

>>13997458
>bahaism
lol no

[Anonymous No.14000654]

>>14000416
Wasted get

[Anonymous No.14000663]

>>14000463
It's not a bahai text, it's a work by the influential early Persian Sufi poet Sanai, the pdf is just hosted on a bahai website

[Anonymous No.14000664]

>>13997458
>Dude, we need a one world government to make the world a better place. We're totally not heretics and trying to usher the era of the Anti-Christ lol

[Anonymous No.14000887]

>>13997396
Politics or sociology, so you stop being a fag that run away as soon you are confronted with problems

[Anonymous No.14000907]

>>13997396
This right here.

[Anonymous No.14001125]

>>13997403
No

[Anonymous No.14001480]

>>14000907
>Thomas Kempis
No

[Anonymous No.14001542]

>>13997396
Hyperion, or a Hermit in Greece by Friedrich Hölderlin.

[Anonymous No.14001550]

>>13997396
Paul Auster's protagonist tend to be very ascetic

[Anonymous No.14002221]

>>14001480
Yes

[Anonymous No.14002228]

Is Siddhartha ascetic lit? I haven't read it

[Anonymous No.14002241]

ascetics are dumb as shit
I prefer a more natural minimalist approach in line of the more moderate cynics and taoists

[Anonymous No.14002285]

>>13997787
So many lines, not one contributing.

[Anonymous No.14002289]

>>13997396
I can cure your “smug thoreau” thing. I thought je was smug, or at least pompous, too; but what you must understand is that thoreau fancied himself a poet as well. Hes poetry pretty bad imo Ive read most of it, but you can see that approach in his writing, hes trying to write in a very artistic manner

[Anonymous No.14003518]

>>14002241
And what books would you recommend for that?

[Anonymous No.14004133]

>>14002228
Asceticism is part of Siddhartha's journey.

[Anonymous No.14005576]

Bump

[Anonymous No.14007621]

dont die

[Anonymous No.14007751]

>>14002289
Ive been meaning to go back and give him a second chance as Walden is my dads favorite book and want to be more /out/. Ill keep this in mind

[Anonymous No.14007775]

>>13998266
Thanks anon, will start here

[Anonymous No.14007951]

>>13997488
You may be correct, but I find reading it though a non-dual lens lends the passage a bit more power.
>there must be some distinction!
I like to think of this as a sort of hint: If there is some essential distinction, find it, show it to me.

[Anonymous No.14009001]

>>14002241
pussy ass bitch

[Anonymous No.14009206]

Any good books to better understand zen?