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>Watch period drama
>Become absolutely disgusted at the state of the modern world
>Gone are the days of a virgin girl marrying her husband at 18 and starting a family
>Now people shop around for years, hopping from one cock or vagina to the next until you find another dried up degenerate to start a family with at the young age of 35
People have always cheated, but now you're considered weird if you haven't slept with more than 1 person in your life. It's considered reckless and scummy to start a family before your wife's hairline starts to recede.

>> No.13996910

>>13996903
>Watch
>>>/tv/

>> No.13996924

>>13996903
And they call it progress.

>> No.13996963

>>13996903
It's easy to romanticize the old days when you see the lives of aristocracy and higher classes instead of the life of the poor.

In regards of sex, you're entitled to make your own choices. There's still people like that, both men and women, both mostly outside out the US.

>> No.13996969

>>13996963
You are entitled to make your own choices, but we live in a culture where people are encouraged to make bad lifesyle choices.

>> No.13997021

Read a book

>> No.13997024

>>13996969
I know. But it was always the case. Humanity is fucked up, it's not just our time.

>> No.13997025

>>13997021
Reading books won't make him less disgusted with the state of modern world. Unless he reads really shitty ones.

>> No.13997030

>>13997025
I’m just trying to keep this on topic

>> No.13997032

>>13996903
but period dramas are products of the modern world

>> No.13997034

>>13997024
Humanity didn't start in the 1960's.
The Sexual Revolution changed many things and the last 20 years also did.

>> No.13997040

>>13996903
All television is fantasy. Don't be a fool.

>> No.13997045

>>13997040
Yes, but society did become different (and for the worse) after the Sexual Revolution.

>> No.13997050

>>13996903
That's a romanticized version of things. Affairs were just as common back then.

>> No.13997057

Please, bitch. If you scraped your knee, you’d die of infection—that is, if you weren’t shitting yourself from cholera first. Not to mention the rotting teeth and stench.

You’d be begging for modernity before you knew it.

>> No.13997058

>>13997050
>people shop around for years, hopping from one cock or vagina to the next until you find another dried up degenerate to start a family with at the young age of 35
Was not considered the ideal lifestyle for most of history. And if you look at statistics, a relatively large proportion of people married virgin before the Sexual Revolution.

>> No.13997060

>>13997057
OP is not criticizing modern medicine, he is criticizing modern sexual morals.

>> No.13997061

>>13996903
>Gone are the days of a virgin girl marrying her husband at 18 and starting a family

Maybe for you.

>> No.13997063

>>13997060
You win some you lose some.

>> No.13997076

>be OP
>born to a poor villager household
>fall in love with a village girl and want to marry her
>her father says "no"
>big money sir Becket comes to town and marries her in a week
>join the army in hope rank will raise your social status
>get stationed in some remote region where there are almost no young women around
>fall in love with one of the general's daughters
>he calls you to a duel
>shoots you in the neck and kills you

>> No.13997113

>>13997076
>be OP
>born to a poor villager household
>fall in love with a village girl and want to marry her
>her father says "no"
>big money sir Becket comes to town and fucks her, she ends up as a whore
>join the army because you have no other options
>get stationed in some remote region where there are almost no young women around
>fall in love with one of the general's daughters
>she doesn't even know you exist
>die in battle or from disease, alternatively live as crippled beggar for the rest of your life

fixed for realism

>> No.13997117

>>13996903
Nobles in early modern Europe would be quite promiscuous. Men for sure - whoring together with your crew was the most fun thing you could think of. Women, probably, too.

On a related note, everybody understands that OP's picr has two people who are unrealistically handsome/beautiful for any time but late 20th - early 21st century, right?

>> No.13997121

>>13997117
High status males from all ages and cultures were quite promiscuous. And pretty much all the women.

>> No.13997123

>>13997113
Kino experience reminded me of the tartar steppe. Would read the entire novel.

>> No.13997126

>>13997117
The promotion of casual sex as a good thing is not something very common in Europe, anon. Some people think the world always worked like it does today. But there is a reason that we talk of a Sexual Revolution in the second half of the 20th century. It is called a revolution exactly because it changed things. Not because they stayed the same.

>> No.13997128

>>13997050
People literally believe this.
Even disregarding cultural changes, technological changes should give you pause before saying this.
Think before opening your mouth
>Looool things don't actually change
boiling frog motherfucker

>> No.13997136

>>13997121
This shows a huge lack of knowledge of history. You come from /his/ don't you?

>> No.13997140

>>13997136
?

>> No.13997144
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>>13996903
>Gone are the days of a virgin girl marrying her husband at 18 and starting a family

As if they'd want to marry you of all people?

>> No.13997147

>>13997126
>would be quite promiscuous
>The promotion of casual sex as a good thing

Moving the goal posts I see.

>> No.13997150

>>13997140
Because this lack of historical knowledge is mostly common on /his/. For every person with a decent knowledge of history you have eight who have a "meme knowledge" of it.

>> No.13997153

>>13996910
fpbp

>> No.13997156

>>13997144
We're talking about trends, not individuals you bitter little cunt.

>> No.13997161

>>13997128
I didn't say that, idiot. You are thinking of a fantasy world. Not everything was a Jane Austen novel. Read something like The Decameron and tell me degeneracy wasn't common back then.

>> No.13997163

>>13997156
>t.OP the massive daydreaming faggot

>> No.13997168

>>13997161
Degeneracy was far less common before the Sexual Revolution than after it.
A pretty large percentage of the Western population had one lifetime sexual partner before the Sexual Revolution. Now this percentage is very low. And probably a large part of it is not even Western, but Muslim.

>> No.13997169

>>13997150
I was more interested in you providing examples that counter my notion of high status males being promiscuous in all ages.

>> No.13997178

>>13997168
>implying the mudpackers ever mattered

>> No.13997179

>>13997147
People in early modern Europe were less promiscuous than people today are. Specially women. Or do you think most nobles would be OK with marrying the town bicycle or having their daughters becoming the town bicycle?

>> No.13997180

>>13997161
You literally said that affairs were always as common as they are today.

>> No.13997181

>>13997163
t. busted up old slag with a dirty cunt

>> No.13997186

>>13996903
poldark is vile cringe

>> No.13997191

>>13997179
>Or do you think most nobles would be OK with marrying the town bicycle or having their daughters becoming the town bicycle?
Again with the morals. This has nothing to do with our discussion.

>> No.13997192

>>13997169
In the old Roman Republic, being promiscuous was considerate effeminate and weak.
German pagans were not promiscuous. Some chieftains did have more than one wife, but that was due to marriage alliances rather than lust. And sex outside marriage was seem very negatively.

>> No.13997195

>>13997191
Do you really think the average early modern noblewoman would be a huge slut who would sleep with tons of people before marrying?

>> No.13997196

>>13997181
D

>> No.13997202

>before your wife's hairline starts to recede

Reality sucks.

>> No.13997205

>>13997180
You are arguing about the circumstances. Yeah, back then it wasn't acceptable to have sex before marriage, but the circumstances were different. The degeneracy was there, it just existed in a different form. Most young males would visit brothels three times a week. Most young women, forced into marriage by their parents, would take any opportunity to flirt or create an affair with young males.

You just sound like an entitled brat that just wants virgin girl for some reason, like being born before 20th century would have been a given for you. Unless you would have been born in nobility, you would have suffered ten times as much as the so called modern incels.

>> No.13997212

>>13997192
Yet high status individuals in both the Roman Republic and Germanic pagan societies fucked around plenty. Prostitutes (Rome) and slaves (both).

>> No.13997213

>>13997205
>Most young males would visit brothels three times a week. Most young women, forced into marriage by their parents, would take any opportunity to flirt or create an affair with young males.
False

>> No.13997220

>actually getting to know a person you’re considering spending the rest of your life with is a bad thing

>> No.13997222

>>13997195
Again shifting the goalposts.

>> No.13997224

ending duels was a mistake. now instead of settling disputes permanently you're encouraged to bargain, postpone, or keep them to yourself and stay resentful. maybe i'm just romantic, but not being able to solve things 'legally' probably ended up causing more harm than honorable deaths.

>> No.13997227

>>13996903
I quite disillusioned with life.
I doubt the good old times ever really existed.
Women and Men have always had promiscuous sex .
The only thing I agree with is marrying so late is bad and can only lead to sick malformed children or no children at all.
Not to mention unmarried childless women are more likely to get endometrial cancer

>> No.13997231

>>13997213
Alright you daft cunt, keep living in your fantasy world, and being bitter about the real one.

>> No.13997233

>>13997205
Unless you were the King or a very important duke or count (which were a small minority of nobles), affairs were not acceptable either. And if you were the wife of one of those guys, they wouldn't accept you having affairs either.

Louis XIV was not amused when his nephew cheated on his wife (who was his bastard daughter).

>> No.13997234

>>13997231
>Boiling frog

>> No.13997238

>>13997205
Most women didn't have arranged marriages.

>> No.13997239

>>13997212
They didn't. Fucking around was frowned upon in their culture.
Those that did it in Rome were considered lesser men.

>> No.13997240

>>13997233
Sure, and that's why duels were so common back then.

>> No.13997245

>>13997222
You said early modern noblewomen were probably quite promiscuous.

>> No.13997261

>>13997240
Do you think most duels were over affairs?

>> No.13997266

>>13997261
honour

>> No.13997270

>>13997245
>early modern noblewomen were probably quite promiscuous
>early modern noblewoman would be a huge slut who would sleep with tons of people before marrying

>> No.13997284

>>13997270
So, what exactly do you think someone who is "quite promiscuous" do?
Marry as a virgin and sleeps solely with his or her spouse the entire life and with procreative purposes?

>> No.13997287

>>13997238
Neither were they autonomous.

>> No.13997290

>>13997261
Yeah, most were.

>> No.13997291
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LITERATURE

>> No.13997294

>>13997284
Ah with the hyperboles. You don't think there is a difference between "a huge slut who would sleep with tons of people" and "quite promiscious", especially from the perspective of the age.

>> No.13997298

>>13997220
It takes a year at most to know someone well enough to want to marry them, shopping around 15 different people dating or fucking them all is not how you find a wife/husband.

>> No.13997299

>>13997294
Being promiscuous means you sleep with tons of people.

>> No.13997301

>>13997220
People who marry virgin have happier marriages even after controlling for religiosity.

>> No.13997305

>>13997290
They weren't. Nobles dueled for plenty of reasons, most of which you would consider petty.

>> No.13997307

>>13997299
Historically anything outside of one would count as promiscious for women, yes?

>> No.13997316

>>13997307
You said nobles on "early modern Europe were quite promiscuous", implying that people were always as promiscuous as they are nowadays

>> No.13997327

>>13997316
>implying that people were always as promiscuous as they are nowadays

No. The explicit message was that they were not restricted to one sexual partner.

>> No.13997338

>>13997327
Yes, it was. You were trying to argue things didn't change from that era.

>> No.13997346

>>13997305
Conflicts arise over two things. Money and love.

>> No.13997349

>>13997205
>Most young males would visit brothels three times a week.
Surely you have a citation for such an extraordinary, specific claim?

>> No.13997351

>>13997346
you forgot Power

>> No.13997352

>>13997349
Yeah, it's called "decades of literature and history".

>> No.13997358

>>13997346
Some people dueled over how they rated poems, anon

>> No.13997363

>>13997352
>centuries of literature and history

fixed that for ya

>> No.13997370

>>13997352
Ok, no evidence.

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>>13997352

>> No.13997381

>>13997126
>The promotion of casual sex as a good thing is not something very common in Europe, anon
The nations of France, Britain and the Med would disagree with you anon

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>>13997352

>> No.13997400

>>13996903
>>Gone are the days
My wife and I waited for marriage. It's possible today, it just requires self-discipline and that is being engineered out of people to maximise consumption and profit.

>> No.13997401

>>13997381
I meant it historically

>> No.13997423

>>13996903
Guys fooling around had no social stigma at the time, so long as it didn’t compromise the social order. If you were upper class and went to brothels/ fucked your maids it was considered perfectly normal
Venereal diseases were damned widespread

>> No.13997435

>>13997349
Not the guy who wrote it but still remember what my grandfather used to tell me and write in private letters.
For an example anyone could have access to, mistresses were mentioned in Saint-Simon’s memoirs and pretty much any French 18th century novels

>> No.13997496

>>13997435
The undetailed, unverified, and definitely unexaggerated sexual exploits of your grandfather, and a bunch of novels designed to titillate, are not evidence. By that metric, one can conclude that Superman is real.

>> No.13997501

>>13997058
They married virgin and had thinly veiled, socially tolerated affairs.

>> No.13997504

>>13997496
Will people in 2,300 believe Japanese people were hit by trucks and moved to different worlds?

>> No.13997520

>>13996903
>>Watch period drama
Wow. Not even reading. Shouldn't this be on /tv/.

Milton wrote the Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce in the 17th Century. One life, One ( Cock | Vagina | Butthole | Fleshlight ) hasn't been a thing for a while.

>> No.13997558

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