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Nietzsche was a dull pulp-writer whose entire philosophy can be boiled down to "Be nothing but yourself! Use every situation to better yourself!" If he were alive today, he would be writing pseudo-Buddhist self help books. Meek author.

>> No.13994473

nihilistic christcuck full of ressentiment thread #12389

yawn

>> No.13994475

this was a really good post, and i thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

>> No.13994477

>>13994473
not a christian

>> No.13994539
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>>13994466
Then don't boil it down. If anything, Nietzsche's work is best appreciated in isolated details and concepts rather than as an overall system.

>> No.13994860

retard

>> No.13995260

>>13994473
not a nihilist you fucking retard

>> No.13996003

>>13994473
You can't be both a nihilist AND christcuck, you utter retard.

>> No.13996004

>>13996003
Read The Genealogy of Morals.

>> No.13996010

>>13996004
Christcucks still believe in something even if it's false, not nothing. How stupid can you be?

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>>13994466
His ideas about transvaluation and affirmation of the will-to-life (will-to-power) is such a COPE response to big man Schop. So we should read him with sympathy but not agree.

>> No.13996229

>>13996086
Dök

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>>13996086
I agree. His attempt to split the will is admirable, if sappy.

>> No.13996272

>>13996010
Holy fuck, READ. You obviously never read Nietzsche. In the name of heaven, one denies the mundane.

>> No.13996274

>>13996086
I think his "Yes to life" is a better prescription than Schopenhauer. Probably easier to accomlish too.

>> No.13996281

did jünger like Nietzsche?

>> No.13996287

>>13996003
I dunno, the average Christian doesn't seem to hold a lot of faith in the word of God. The best you get is going to church on Sundays.

>> No.13996288

>>13996281
Yes.

>> No.13996293

>>13996003
Nihilism in nietzschean philosophy doesn't mean what you think it means.
>Talking about a subject you don't understand

>> No.13996313

>>13996272
This.

>> No.13996317

>>13996287
>you should judge a philosophy based on its nominal followers

>> No.13996325

>>13996293
It wouldn't matter what neologism he uses. Nihilism can't be redefined into whatever you want it to be. This is what makes Nietzche himself a brainlet.

>> No.13996344

>>13996272
Must I take Nietzche's terms as my own when critiquing him? Of course not! After creating a neologism for nihilism, he doesn't replace that word with a new one that means 'a belief in nothing'. How else do I speak of people who believe in NOTHING, when that brain tumored fuck never offered a replacement!?

>> No.13996729

>>13994473
/thread

I don't understand what OP thinks he's accomplishing with these threads. It's the same shit every couple of days.

>> No.13996825

>>13996272
I vaguely remember him naming three separate enemies: nihilism, christianity, and buddhism (in descending order). In that sense, they're distinct.

>> No.13996845

>>13994466
That pic is literally me.

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>>13996325
>>13996344
Nihilism wasn't always a known philosophical concept (even though it can be retroactively used to describe many philosophers). It meant different things in a Russian context where it was used to criticize the founding beliefs of institutions and another thing in the West when Jacobi first used it against fatalistic atheism and the like. Most importantly, it means different things in different contexts:

>Nihilism (/ˈnaJ(h)JlJzəm, ˈniː-/; ) is the philosophical viewpoint that rejects, denies, or lacks belief in any or all of the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not exist at all. Nihilism may also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or reality does not actually exist.

Inb4 quoting wikipedia, it explains it well enough and I'm lazy and nihilistic :^)

Nietzsche uses it mostly in the sense of existential nihilism which applies to values, namely the fact that, for a typical Christian at least, existence as such (on its own) has no intrinsic value as it needs to be thought of on the basis of transcendent meaning. There is something that Christianity has in common with Nietzsche's philosophy, namely that it works on the basis of some things that function for their own sake and not something extrinsic, but what those exact things are differs from one to the other, but there is more overlap than many on either side would admit. We have to keep in mind Nietzsche's perspectivism and pluralism (and therefore lack of a substantial singular cogito or ego or soul in the regular sense) along with all its conflicts and differentiations between values in each "individual" that this presupposes (which is what will to power is). It's not that existence has no value, but rather that it has competing values. So active nihilism is forging "one"'s own values by connecting to the "material" (forces, flows) parts that sustain said values (and not others) and proliferating those connections. One can still be a Christian in such a world, but it is no longer under a transcendent signifier, for better or worse.

>> No.13996991

>>13996906
I just typed out that I don't care about neologisms. Speak in whatever language you want. This is exactly why ordinary language philosophy exists.

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>>13996991
>This is exactly why ordinary language philosophy exists.

Brainlets have to be represented as well I suppose.

>B-but nihilism mean when grug ded he ded!

>> No.13997228

>>13996010
That's exactly his point; Christian, ressenti, and nihilist morality is still a distorted kind of will to power, albeit one that is mostly hostile to life, especially the life of the higher, but it is still their lie without which they cannot live; they would rather will nothingness than not will at all.