Nietzsche's best stuff is in this book. His deepest ideas are all together in it and it's the most systematic work overall. So why is it one of his most unread works, regularly discouraged from being considered mandatory reading?

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Anonymous Thu Oct 10 19:56:21 2019 No.13970498 [Reply] [Original]

Nietzsche's best stuff is in this book. His deepest ideas are all together in it and it's the most systematic work overall. So why is it one of his most unread works, regularly discouraged from being considered mandatory reading?

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 19:58:05 2019 No.13970508

>>13970498
Because you'll turn into a Nazi if you read it.

All of Nietzsche's works have been watered down by Kaufmann. Ever notice how every other major writer has numerous translators? Not Nietzsche. There's only one: Kaufmann. Turns out he's a good guy liberal, too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:00:27 2019 No.13970529 >>13970508 Nietzsche has many translators though and Kaufmann's edition of Will to Power is the one I'm referring to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:00:44 2019 No.13970530 >>13970508 Get this meme the fuck outta here. Kaufmann saved Nietzsche in the Anglosphere from becoming another verboten author like Evola or Jünger.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:03:43 2019 No.13970545 >>13970508 Not this shit again. How does the man who preached endlessly about the stupidity of the herd mentality possibly get construed as a Nazi. Being a nazi is to be a slave. A worker in a bomb factory or a soldier sent to die for his master.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:04:15 2019 No.13970551 >>13970508 Muh leftist conspiracy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:04:55 2019 No.13970558 >>13970530 Is Junger considered a blacklisted author? He seems pretty normal to me. I read him at uni.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:05:27 2019 No.13970563 >>13970545 >Being a nazi is to be a slave. Unless you're Hitler. Hitler was based

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:06:03 2019 No.13970566 >>13970558 He was almost canceled for how he didn't really hate being a soldier in a horrific war. Its pretty scary to imagine war as a good thing in any right for people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:07:03 2019 No.13970575 >>13970563 The Germans were based. They weren't slaves they just bought in. It's still kindve nietzshien but he would have disagreed with the nazi regime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:07:26 2019 No.13970580 >>13970563 Based at getting his asshole utterly reamed by Soviets and Anglos. tens of millions of dead germans and suicide in a bunker. So based!!!!!! Savior of the aryan race!!!

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:07:57 2019 No.13970582

>>13970558
Most people think he's a nazi because they heard how unapologetic he was in In Stahlgewittern. That's retarded, of course, but the stigma is still there. Couple that with his personal philosophy and he will lie outside the Overton window in the majority of public discourse.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:08:28 2019 No.13970590

>>13970498
Because its just notes. Not a work. His sister compiled it together out of the notes he was making for a final, quadrilogy I believe, called the transvaluation of values. She was married to a nazi and they both, N's and her husband both wanted to appropriate N's work for nazi ideology.
>>13970508
The west has done a similar thing. It just more subtle than the nazis. Its kind of still employing a lowest common denominator interpretation of N along pseduo social darwinist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:08:32 2019 No.13970592 >>13970580 he was a still like a demi-god for a decade get rekt fag

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:09:35 2019 No.13970599 >>13970590 Did he write the notes or not?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:10:48 2019 No.13970609 >>13970590 Yes WP is a uniquely metaphysical work to his entire bibliography. He believed he had already solved the problem of Nihilism with Z, which he had begun to see in BoT. WP was a new project.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:11:07 2019 No.13970611

>>13970590
>Because its just notes. Not a work.
I suppose this could be a reason. It's unfortunate. The notes have an outline for the full work and large portions of the work were already written and edited, while the rest is in a chicken scratch (but legible) form. Despite being a compilation of notes, it's full of some of his best passages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:12:01 2019 No.13970618 >>13970592 A dead god was never a god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:15:34 2019 No.13970639 >>13970618 Cringe. Dude almost singlehandedly conquered the world. If it wasn't for dumbass nips he literally would have. This is why you never outsource to Asia to do a second rate job

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:18:53 2019 No.13970658 >>13970639 This is why Nietzsche and Nazis are literally opposite. You're a life denying manchild who makes up a story to please himself. Oh if only! If only my retarded fantasy were realized life would be glorious. This is the spirit of ressentiment.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:19:44 2019 No.13970666

>>13970530
Kaufmann is a liberal though, no?
>>13970545
Worse is the liberal individualist interpretation imo. That one has stuck and given us this kind of fascism-of-the-self.
>>13970599
Not to go into a work called the will to power.
>>13970609
WP wasnt a project. It was a work invented by his sister he had no part in except in the capacity of making notes for the transvaluation. The transvaluation is the new project that was incomplete.
>>13970639
What a joke. He was in the pay of jew tard why else would any sane person invade the soviet union. Or he was insane- no god makes a mistake like losing the gains he'd made. He doesn't deserve the title of god, god doesn't fail.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:20:28 2019 No.13970667 >>13970666 Can you read German, anon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:20:57 2019 No.13970670 >>13970658 What fantasy. Are you so juvenile you've made up a backstory for me you've gotten from other interactions with people? Inept.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:24:04 2019 No.13970687
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>>13970666
He had an outline and the notes reference will to power all over the place. He may not have named the book Will to Power if he was able to finish and publish it, but if not, it would have probably had "Nihilism" in the title, as that was his main focus. And it would have still been about the will to power.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:24:29 2019 No.13970693 >>13970666 >Not to go into a work called the will to power. If he wrote the stuff himself, why are you saying he didn't believe it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:25:05 2019 No.13970696 File: 21 KB, 474x528, le wise philosopher.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FUCK REASON

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:26:05 2019 No.13970701 >>13970670 Ooo you cant know me bro!! My words are meaningless!! Manbabies first teary eyed response to realizing he is wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:28:08 2019 No.13970715 >>13970639 No, he lost because of his autistic obsession with Russia. Instead of convincing Stalin to go nazbol like Mussolini wanted he attacked them for muh living space.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:38:32 2019 No.13970778

>>13970701
You literally made up a projection about me as if I made some claim I didn't. You presume that because Hitler literally had the world on its knees at one point I must be a white supremacist who fantasies about nazi rule. You're an actual brainlet, probably in college, probably were right, but when trump came to power became more left, angry at the world, blame your parents, could get pussy but too inept to do so. Have sex.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:42:33 2019 No.13970806 >>13970778 I got the little nazi mad enough to say he wasn't a nazi. Feels good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 20:51:31 2019 No.13970893 >>13970590 >married to a nazi Her husband died in 1889 though, I'm in no way denying his and her anti-jew stance but obviously he was not a national socialist.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 22:15:22 2019 No.13971368

>>13970687
We know it was going to be called the revaluation of all values. The will to power probably would have been the second book. The first was the antichrist. You can't change the fact that its just unfinished notes.
>>13970693
I'm not saying he didn't believe it tard. Its just a part of a larger scheme of ideas he had called the revaluation. Not the end goal of his thinking.
>>13970715
Cos he was just a pawn for other jews who dont care about genocidally massacring "their own people" as long as it gives them a good buffer.
>>13970893
Anti semitism was rampant.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 23:19:05 2019 No.13971658

>>13971368
>You can't change the fact that its just unfinished notes.
I don't really see why it matters. The fact remains that very few people read those notes. Even in an unfinished state, they contain the answers to many of the "riddles" people get hung up on over N even today.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 00:09:56 2019 No.13971863 >>13971658 All his work is better thought as a riddle than a solution.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 00:16:19 2019 No.13971903 >>13970806 If I was a nazi saying I'm not a nazi only helps me in the long run desu.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 00:17:37 2019 No.13971909

>>13970580
cant tell if resentment of hitler for failure or doesnt like nazis.

first part is hypocritical for most people from /pol/ imo. A guy who risked everything for your ideals results in their worst nightmare of modern leftism, but instead of pardoning hitler for it they shame him for it. Shows a lot how socially disfigured right wing incels are

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:30:40 2019 No.13972185

>>13970545
>Implying a herd mentality makes you stupid or a slave
you have absolutely no concept of freedom or purpose, your entire mind is devoted to self ignorance.

you do not have the capacity for individuality or freedom, though the two have little to do with each other

freedom is simply the ability to achieve purpose, and you have no idea what originates purpose, so you have no freedom

>'lel i have to be an INDIVIDUAL otherwise the MAN is raping me'
>assembles artificial personality from products supplied to him by authority
kill every leftist, they are not human, they are demonic abominations set here to impede real life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:33:10 2019 No.13972192 >>13971909 >some retard getting really carried away with his fantasies

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:38:07 2019 No.13972209 File: 36 KB, 375x561, 5038941-LUEQSWPL-6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13970498 And yet all that product of his merely human mind pales in the light of the divine wisdom of our Lord and Savior. Ecce Deus.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:43:32 2019 No.13972220 >>13972209 Ecce Larper

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:47:26 2019 No.13972232 >>13970508 >only one translator of Nietzsche well that's not true at all anon, Kaufmann is just the most popular because he is such a famous Neech scholar

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:49:20 2019 No.13972235 >>13970701 >>13970658 >If I insult and strawman someone enough, that makes their comments incorrect Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 02:03:30 2019 No.13972268 >>13972185 infantile. need daddy church and state to even want to live. absolute infant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 04:25:29 2019 No.13972687 >>13970498 >Wille zur Macht cringe. Me? I read the Nachgelassene Fragmente 1887-1888

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 05:40:36 2019 No.13972825 >>13972192 nah its true. Look at /pol/ time to time and you'll see resentment and paranoia.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 05:56:43 2019 No.13972850 >>13972192# nah its true. Look at /pol/ time to time and you'll see resentment and paranoia. divide and conquer is also a sign of mental illness

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 05:58:19 2019 No.13972853 >>13972192 nah its true. Look at /pol/ time to time and you'll see resentment and paranoia. divide and conquer is also a sign of mental illness

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 06:50:24 2019 No.13972955 >>13971863 He had a philosophy whether you want to embrace it or not. It wasn't merely romanticism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 06:54:31 2019 No.13972966 >>13970498 He hadn't written anything of value since "Birth of tragedy".

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:09:52 2019 No.13973333 >>13972220 Ecce Fedora

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:11:38 2019 No.13973338 File: 272 KB, 991x746, jean-paul-sartre.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13970508 >who is R.J. Hollingdale

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:14:17 2019 No.13973343 Just lol if you can't read it in the original

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:14:33 2019 No.13973344 How can anyone think Nietzsche's writings "support" the Nazis? Almost the opposite.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:19:12 2019 No.13973355

>>13970498
>So why is it one of his most unread works
It's an anglo meme. Nobody reads compiled, revised and rehashed works in europe because we are more interested in intellectual matters than vulgar sensationalism (The Will to Power - a Spielberg adapation) I wish I was joking but I'm not. People don't realize that anglos are moralizing agents and that's it - you've summed up the anglo mind.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 11:50:01 2019 No.13973952

>>13970545
So Nietzsche was a stirnerist? Because if you replace the word "Nazi" in your post with anything with a state in it it works.

Reality check: National-Socialism is the only ideology that's closest to Nietzsche's teachings and a natural consequence to them. The fact that they are a group instead of an inidividual acting on it has no relevance as even Stirner accepted the idea of "Union of Egoists". And I assure you germans were fed up with jewry, they weren't "slaves" as you say, they voted Hitler in out of free will and enjoyed a paradise in Germany until the jew forced them out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 11:51:27 2019 No.13973963 >>13970658 >my version is the objective truth, anything else is making up a story to please yourself Hello Plato, how ironic.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 11:53:03 2019 No.13973971

>>13973952
>the guy who constantly said we should act more like dionysus totally loved the state that repressed the weimar republic arts scene and labeled a bunch of shit degenerate
you rightists really need to cope, seethe, and learn some reading comprehension

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:00:25 2019 No.13974026

>>13973971
Then you claim Nietzsche was an anarcoindividualist or a stirnerist right? Because any ideology that isn't that one has a state that does things like the one you criticise about NS Germany.

Or perhaps your copes allow you to think Nietzsche would be alright with other forms of government even though they sin in the same regards?

>Weimar republic arts scene
Shit I'm dying, yeah, smearing shit on a canvas is deep art. Nietzsche loved it, the mark of the Übermensch is paying a jew 8 million dollars for crayon scribbles on a canvas, "modern art". But let's not talk about this, let's focus on your main argument.

Is it not Nietzsche-like to impose your will and throw away that which according to your nature is weak and degenerate, such as that "art"?
Isn't that the very concept of will to power? To bend reality to your will?

I don't think Nietzsche would have agreed with being an undiscerning tolerant cuck with no passion that just accepted a picture of an anus as art just because mainstream thought did so.

Are you conflating acting more like dionysus to have no opinions or acting on them? Tolerance? Something tells me the only thing about Nietzsche you have read is the wikipedia page.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:03:44 2019 No.13974054

>>13974026
there is possibly nothing more reddit than trying to box a romantic philosopher into a specific political ideology. i am not engaging with this reddit spaced frothing about stirnerism and der juden. the mainstream opinion of nietzsche, borne of ignorance, is that he was a proto-nazi. why do you feel the need to continue claiming him on a japanese rice cultivation forum? please seek therapy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:04:45 2019 No.13974059 >>13974026 nigga one of his books has gay right there in the title

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:14:48 2019 No.13974109

>>13974054
>I'M RIGHT BUT I'M NOT ENGAGING IN THIS!
Ran out of arguments so fast, it's a bit pathetic. You call me ignorant yet I can defend my position and you can't refute it, you are the one acting like a redditor.
I'm not claiming he was a protonazi or that he had anything about NS in mind when he wrote his stuff. I'm just saying that thinking NS has nothing to do with Nietzsche's teachings it's batshit retarded and massive cope where you can draw thousands of paralelisms. I'm not saying Nietzsche created NS you dildo, I'm saying that NS is nietzschean in nature applied to statism, which means it's nietzschean collectivelly instead of individually, and that collective acts as an individual metaphorically. The Übermensch was the german people that trashed what they deemed degenerate and unfit, reinstated values that they deemed worth and threw away those that they deemed noxious.

They did away with the notion that muh joos are pepel you can't just throw them away becuz feels even though they are destroying your country and using your people as prostitutes (learn about weimar sexual degeneracy).
They did away with the notion that we lost a war so we must keep taking it in the ass and fear our masters!
They did away with the christian notion of everyone is a child of god and deserves to live (getting rid of useless literal tards)
And many more.

Can you deny this is übermensch-like? TO throw away useless values imposed by christian morality, holding onto those that are good for you and creating new ones? If so, I'm sorry about your condition.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:21:22 2019 No.13974134
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>>13974109
That's not what the Overman is. Im sorry its depth was too much for you. Simply throwing away a value is not Overman. Simply saying fuck da rules is not Overman. Simply being non Christian, is not Overman. By your definition a fedora wearer that shoplifts a candy bar is The Ubermensch.

The Overman, is a new being. Someone who is literally incapable of nihilism because he no longer denies life, whose Genealogy of thought is not the spirit of revenge.

It is a concept that reaches thousands of years in time. Not being an epic joo killer.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:37:56 2019 No.13974212
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>>13974134
>Simply throwing away a value is not Overman.
It is. And they didn't throw away just one. They did all three, throwed away noxious ones, kept those that were good and master-like. And created new ones. They did the whole package as per 101 übermensch. Your unfunny comical examples won't erase this fact.

>The Overman, is a new being. Someone who is literally incapable of nihilism because he no longer denies life, whose Genealogy of thought is not the spirit of revenge.
Not even my jewish philosophy professor could deny to my face that the NS were vitalists, you are trying way too hard.
The NS accepted life and put their will to work to bend reality to their wants, a nihilist wouldn't have given a fuck about all the things the NS did, a nihilist would've done nothing. The NS are the absolute opposite of the nihilists, they actively changed their country's way greatly, a great turning point. They cared so much about life that they wanted to fix it right there and right then, giving no fucks about mainstream christian morality. A will untainted by the ruling slave-morality (christian), is that not übermensch-like?

Spirit of revenge? The jews needed to be dealt with anyway, they are not needed and noxious, same as gypsies. Did they put gypsies in labor camps as some sort of revenge too? That's how weak that argument is. Germany is for the german people, and weak and inferior influences from other peoples are not needed, they are harmful as Wagner said in regards to the musical scene of the period.

Anyway now that your skin color is revealed I see you have an irrational drive to deny all this because it's a personal matter so I won't bother myself with further replies. Enjoy the cope if you so much require it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:45:41 2019 No.13974250

>>13974212
Having a not-slave morality is not the fucking ubermensch. For fuck's sake man. Nazism is spiritually dead. They LARP Odin. They mythologize their race. All of the things they do are attempts to justify to life. To convict it guilty and require some kind of story, myth, and cause to even want to live. Its the exact opposite of the overman Nietzsche professed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:47:01 2019 No.13974257 >>13974134 >That's not what the Overman is. >cites a secondary source ahahahah hurdur

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:55:27 2019 No.13974290 >>13974212 You're wrong, but that's fine. Most people presume the same things on their first read. You ought to read The Pale Criminal.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 12:59:44 2019 No.13974315

>>13970498
>Nietzsche's best stuff is in this book.
It's just random notes from his notebook.
>His deepest ideas are all together in it and it's the most systematic work overall.
It's not a systematic work tho
>So why is it one of his most unread works, regularly discouraged from being considered mandatory reading?
Because it's not a Nietzsche's book, and because Nietzsche ended up canning everything that was contained in his notes. It's a failed project.
I mean, it can still be interesting for historical and philological reasons, but that's it. It certainly has no relevance when it comes to Nietzsche's philosophy in general

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 13:03:03 2019 No.13974330 >>13970599 Yep, and then he realized that he was getting nowhere. I cannot find the precise one now, but he talks about it in some of his letters. >>13970611 Read above

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 13:03:26 2019 No.13974333
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>>13974250
Now you are just intentionally misreading and strawmanning, and also spewing memes. Must be the fabled intellect of the brown man.
>>13974290
>read it until you can twist it into what I want, also read this fiction novel
I'll pass

I don't even know why you need to cope with this honestly, why does it matter to you as a non-nazi if the NS were inspired by Nietzsche's teachings? It's like a racist wanting to deny that niggers also drink water.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 14:23:08 2019 No.13974761

>>13970498
There are definitely some interesting ideas in The Will to Power. But you have to read it for what it is. A collection of unfinished thoughts. Some that Nietzsche believed and some that he did not. I think the biggest takeaway from these notes is a glimpse into Nietzsche's personality. Delusions of grandeur, narcissism, egoism, tortured genius, idolizing all the things that he is not, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 14:28:00 2019 No.13974788 >>13974761 But also courage and strength to stand an unrelenting intellect fueled by a desire to prove Schopenhauer wrong. Does anyone think he was successful in responding to Schopenhauer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 16:22:01 2019 No.13975462 >>13974257 It's Deleuze retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 17:18:09 2019 No.13975775 >>13974788 No. He failed to overcome nihilism as did all existencialists. It was still a great attempt though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 21:02:06 2019 No.13976788 >>13973971 National socialism aims to create many individuals, not eliminate individuals, which was literally what Nietzsche was clamoring for in his books.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 21:04:54 2019 No.13976800

>>13974330
The only thing I've read that even comes close to that sentiment is his own realization that nobody around him is understanding him, and that no one will understand him for quite some time. You'll have to share what you're referring to if you think it's something else.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 21:13:58 2019 No.13976835

>>13976788
In fact is the only ideology that strives to make elite individuals through quality free physical and mental education, as it happened in the Napolas. Communism is only interested in equality and regulating poverty. And Libertarians don't care. Guess nazis really loved their people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 04:40:35 2019 No.13978384 >>13974333 Hmm this nigga seems to have a point >Spirit of revenge? The jews needed to be dealt with anyway Oh no no no HAHA. Need to do a better job containing your inner poltard, bucko.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 05:24:30 2019 No.13978484 >>13971909 The nazi ideals were pretty fucking dumb though. I think Nietzsche may have appreciated their praising of strength, cunning, and will, bit wouldve hated that it was all in the service of propagating the herd

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 05:26:34 2019 No.13978491 >>13970498 which books include "On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense" - other than Kaufmann's "Portable Nietzsche"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 05:31:47 2019 No.13978503 >>13978384 Hahah wasch ur benin

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 05:59:52 2019 No.13978571 >>13970666 >the liberal individualist interpretation >fascism-of-the-self. that's just zarathustra. nietzsche is =/= zarathustra zarathustra is based though. even if he is an ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 06:06:35 2019 No.13978585 >>13978491 The Nietzsche Reader (eds. Ansell-Pearson and Large)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 06:17:32 2019 No.13978600 >>13974315 >>13974290 What I hate about leftists and tarantulas the most is that they only say "no your wrong" but never argue, and they don't even realize how obnoxious they are Until they grow up, that is

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 06:39:33 2019 No.13978642 >>13978585 thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:28:02 2019 No.13979079 >>13973343 this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 09:29:00 2019 No.13979085 >>13970508 >>13970551 Kaufman, is literally a shit translator... he applies his own politics to every translation he does... he admits to this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:19:53 2019 No.13979263 Learn german and read the original notes, everything else can not be trusted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:22:53 2019 No.13979278 SISTER MADE HIM INTO A NAZI YOU STUPID FUCK

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:23:55 2019 No.13979282 >>13973952 >National-Socialism is the only ideology that's closest to Nietzsche's teachings full retard

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 10:42:42 2019 No.13979358

>>13970498
Beyond Good and Evil is better, and it has good translations. I consider it to be a summary of late Nietzschean thought. A few minor details may not be present, but that's not a big deal. The delivery is unorthodox, but that only bothers those unconditioned for systematic thinking and memorization. And it shouldn't bother those who read Will to Power, which wasn't even edited properly.
>why is it one of his most unread works
It's all in the other books, why would anyone put more effort into the task?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 11:29:28 2019 No.13979550 >>13979358 I don't recall BGE or any other book really talking about the multiplicity of drives, so there's one major idea from WTP not in the rest, but I could be mistaken.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 11:39:16 2019 No.13979608

>>13979358
>It's all in the other books, why would anyone put more effort into the task?
Everything after TSZ is in TSZ in some form, but the books after TSZ are still very important and very fruitful reads. WTP is no different. He might mention the ideas in that compilation in other works, but he extrapolates on some of those ideas even further in WTP, like the multiplicity of drives, the overman, the will to power, the eternal recurrence, subjectivity vs. objectivity, the Kantian thing-in-itself, nihilism, etc. If you're in the business of reading Nietzsche thoroughly, there's no good excuse not to read WTP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 11:44:12 2019 No.13979626 >>13970551 Bias isnt a conspiracy antifa fren

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 11:51:53 2019 No.13979653

>>13979608
I read it, it's nothing new. A summary is enough, better invest time in his other stuff. Reading through some notes is not worth it for a few ideas that he read about somewhere. The book was in the process of making, and who knows which thoughts would have made it in had it been done.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:01:07 2019 No.13979700

>>13979653
As I said, if you're interested in reading Nietzsche thoroughly, there's no good excuse to not read WTP. The notes are long and there are many aphorisms, so saying its contents are just in other works or are things he read about somewhere is a little disingenuous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:55:02 2019 No.13979971 >>13979282 Every militarist Nietzsche admired was politically national socialist and he tended to admire their politics greatly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:26:01 2019 No.13980142 >>13970530 Cringe lie, Nietzsche was never going anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:33:30 2019 No.13980185 >>13979608 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:39:08 2019 No.13980209 >>13980142 To be fair, no one in the Anglosphere treats Nietzsche properly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 18:23:03 2019 No.13981647 >>13978585 I found that translation, and it's not only lucid but beautiful - great recommendation

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 18:37:49 2019 No.13981713 >>13981647 yw

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