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13965867 No.13965867 [Reply] [Original]

Which is more important? Good prose (style) or good ideas (substance)?

>> No.13965879

>>13965867
Style for literature.
Substance for philosophy.

>> No.13965888

>>13965879
what an unthreatening, boring answer

>> No.13965900

>>13965888
what a faggy reply kek kys

>> No.13965904
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13965904

Where do I learn to develop my prose? I really didnt even know of the concept til recently..

>> No.13965915

>>13965904
read

>> No.13965922

>>13965867
Good writing makes no distinction between the two.

>> No.13965923

>>13965867
Substance for literature.
Style for philosophy.

>> No.13965929

>>13965904
break open a thesaurus and replace every word in the sentence with the longest and most sophisticated word possible.

>> No.13965931

>>13965867
substance. polished turds are useless

>> No.13965930

>>13965923
that kinda makes sense for lit, but not for philosophy.

>> No.13965942

Prose is a meme, my guy.

>> No.13965982

>>13965929
Do authors actually do this?.. Would be ashame. Id like to naturally write w good prose about substance.

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13966137

Balance is most important

>> No.13966171

Ideas are like the soup. Prose is like the spoon. You never claim a soup was phenomenal because you enjoyed the spoon you were using.

>> No.13966205

>>13965923
seems you got them switched (though both are good together)

>> No.13966211

Prose.

>> No.13966212

>>13965867
Which is more important--breathing or eating?

>> No.13966219

>>13966171
>has never listened to music

>> No.13966228

>>13966171
But you can't truly enjoy the soup if it's fed to you by a knife or a fork.

>> No.13966259

>>13966228
How about a straw?

>> No.13966264

>>13966259
This is perfectly representative f Nabokov’s prose.

>> No.13966302

Substance. I'm willing to look past mediocre prose if the plot is good. However, I can't forgive bad plot, even if the prose is amazing. Ideally the plot should get our attention, while the prose should keep us hooked. That is what makes good literature good. That is art.

>> No.13966310

>>13965867
style is an idea

>> No.13966355

>>13966259
Do you drink coffee with a straw?

>> No.13966370

>>13966355
Do you with a spoon?

>> No.13966385

>>13966355
Dost thou think me a barbarian?
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>> No.13966401

>>13966385

sad

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13966421

>>13966401
>sad
Take your personal problems to /adv/ and be sure to take your pills.

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13967468

>>13965904

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>>13965904
>>13967468
And this. The trvium is basic

>> No.13967475

>>13965867
Substance, i.e cocaine.

>> No.13967479

>>13965867
As Wallace Stevens aptly put it, a change in style is a change in subject. The two are inseparable.

>> No.13967485

>>13967479
this. ignoring this is why there's so much misreading of Nietzsche on this board.

>> No.13968338

Always substance.

>> No.13968353

Retard.

None of these are of any importance whatsoever, the possible categories or measures of value are unbounded, fool.

Good ideas? Why must we have good ideas? What use are good ideas to a bumbling twit that wallows in their own filth; will they understand the ideas; how are the ideas 'good'; if it is the effect or the affect of the ideas that makes it good; should we, if it is effect, not simply give bad ideas to twits and trogs because it is just and good policy?

If the affect of the ideas is good, then can all ideas be good if the style is good? Then what is point of good ideas behind aesthetic pleasure? We are not monkeys looking for fruit or beans, nor beastly horse people coordinating a hunt. It is without purpose, so it must be rid of and all things must be same and without completely, fully devoid of, and not contrary to, the aesthetic. Then what is the good of the ideas if the style is gone, if the good of ideas is a matter of affect?

The selection and distinguishment of effect and affect are completely arbitrary and without cause or value, except to the end that OP's thinking is wrong and OP is a retard.

>> No.13968359

>>13965879
Substance for literature
Style for philosophy