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>1184 pages
Bros..

Should I read this? Midwits reference it all the time so I feel like I should know more about it. But a book has no business being that long. It's longer than Infinite Jest and Augustine's City of God, for Pete's sake, and they were written by white men. Surely it must be a bloated and repetitive piece of shit?

>> No.13956195

>>13956164
It's not that long, you could read it in a week. Heck, that's not even much longer than most of GRRM's books are.

>> No.13956486

>>13956164
Obviously it is garbage. Not sure if bait or not

>> No.13956496

Who the fuck "references it all the time"? #thingsthathappened lmao

>> No.13957895 [DELETED] 

Augustine was African and therefore Black :)

>> No.13957918

is it at times meditative or just a screed?

>> No.13957936

>>13957918
it's too long for it's own good is what it is, literally the fountainhead + some finance talk

>> No.13957943

>>13956164
The people who reference it probably aren't worth engaging with anyway. Life's short, you're better off just reading better books and seeking out intelligent people that you don't have to waste time talking down to. If I'm interested in the Earth Sciences I'm not gonna brush up on flat earth theory so I can talk to those nuts, I don't know why you'd do the equivalent with political philosophy.

>> No.13957959

>>13957936

are there literally no characters or story to get invested in even shallowly?

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>>13956164
No.

For fiction, read London’s Martin Eden
For non-fiction, read Stirner’s Unique and it’s Property

>> No.13957975

The length is deceiving. It’s barely more difficult than Harry Potter. Read it so you can see both how to write something fun and how not to write good literature.

>> No.13957979

>>13957959
all the good guys feel like the same person, all the bad guys feel like they fall into two categories - government man who knows better than you what to do with your resources and sociopath man who gets off on moving up in the hierarchy, literally the same story is told in 500 pages less in the fountainhead minus the bits about reverting to a gold standard and the like

>> No.13957992

>>13957964
should've told him to read rand's virtue of selfishness, it's the same experience as her fiction and none of the bloat of stirner (FUCK debating Feuerbach, never read the guy, no idea why I should read Stirner talk shit about him)

>> No.13958243

>>13956164

Read SIEGE by james mason instead, then Mein Kampf.

>> No.13958288

>>13956496
It's decent

>> No.13958304

>>13958288
'twasn't

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>>13957992
>selfishness
You and Rand get everything wrong from the start.
>bloat
Hilarious reversal technique. Rand is the bloat. Worthless and long in getting there.
If you want to understand the Feuerbach arguments you read this. TUaIP doesn’t need you to though

>> No.13958378

Her prose gets exhausting after only a few pages, let alone 1184. No understanding or variety of tone or rhythm, just grinding sentence after grinding sentence with no space to breathe.

>> No.13958426

>>13957964
Nietzsche, although plagiarizing Stirner, has far richer theory and is less superficial than the latter. Stirner is a blessing to read, yes, but many more blessings come to you if you read Nietzsche's Genealogy, followed by the rest of his bibliography.

Gives a less atomistic account of individualism that leaves room to ecstacy and actual love. Stirner avoids this topic too much.

>> No.13958449

>>13956164
Having read the Fountainhead, I think I would have gotten the point from a synopsis.

Just put it on during your commutes, you'll have it finished before summer

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>>13958426
What you call superficial is actually it’s strength. I’m far from warning anyone away from Nietzsche, but one ought to start from the beginning

>> No.13958516

>>13958458
I agree with you. It's wonderful to read both authors alongside each other.

>> No.13959935

>>13956164
Absolutely not. Awful, timewaster book. I read it in 8th grade and even then I knew it was retarded.

>> No.13960972

>>13956164
FUCK NO

Ayn rand is garbage. Objectiveism is toxic and cancerous.