>Hated Dostoevsky >Hated Cervantes >Hated Joyce except Ulysses >Thought Conrad and Hemingway are for children >Hated Camus >Hated Mann How could such an extraordinary writer have such extraordinarily bad opinions about literature?

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Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:38:19 2019 No.13935113 [Reply] [Original]

>Hated Dostoevsky
>Hated Cervantes
>Hated Joyce except Ulysses
>Thought Conrad and Hemingway are for children
>Hated Camus
>Hated Mann
How could such an extraordinary writer have such extraordinarily bad opinions about literature?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:42:17 2019 No.13935129 >>13935113 >extraordinary writer Wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:51:11 2019 No.13935167 File: 824 KB, 2863x1644, 1569501142056.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He was just envious, like Tosltoy was envious of Shakespeare. Envy of the West is a common Russian theme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:55:46 2019 No.13935190 >>13935113 >Implying art isn’t subjective Fucking retard >>13935167 >He was envious Ok

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:23:20 2019 No.13935274 >>13935113 Claptrap journalist, cruel and old, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:26:47 2019 No.13935285 You know you don't have to worship the entire canon, op ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:29:39 2019 No.13935292 >>13935285 that's why I dislike Nabokov

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:30:48 2019 No.13935299 Plenty of fags here can't get those opinions out of their mind. So what if he didn't like based Dostoy? I still read both.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:30:49 2019 No.13935300 >everybody is suppose to have the exact same opinion in lit you know, for the thinking board you guys sure are dropping the ball

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:31:54 2019 No.13935306 >>13935190 Nabokov would never have conceded that art is subjective.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:31:59 2019 No.13935307 >>13935190 >>13935285 >>13935300 /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:32:12 2019 No.13935310 >>13935300 on*

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:36:13 2019 No.13935319 >>13935167 >Shakespear >Good Ay lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:38:06 2019 No.13935324 >>13935319 Any writer after him is objectively inferior, including and specially Nabokov.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:39:50 2019 No.13935328 >>13935324 How many languages do you even speak?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:40:53 2019 No.13935332 File: 230 KB, 500x913, 1555355869017.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935324 >This is what anglos actually think.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:41:28 2019 No.13935335 >>13935328 Five: French, Spanish, English, Portuguese, Italian. I'd love to learn German and Latin in the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:43:24 2019 No.13935344 >>13935332 I'm not an Anglo, though. Not everyone who likes Shakespeare is an Anglo. But once you feel the ecstasy of truly feeling Shakespeare's words, you know why he's regarded as the GOAT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:46:17 2019 No.13935353 >>13935324 How is that even possible? He was terrible and wrote "plays". If shakes was non English NO ONE would give a fuck about him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:46:27 2019 No.13935354 >>13935113 he wasn't wrong

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:47:25 2019 No.13935358
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>>13935335
Even if that was true (which clearly is not the case) that would just point out your illiteracy. You have better writers than Shakespeare in each of those other languages you "claim" to speak.

>Play writer
>Good
>"be or not to be, that is the question"
>lmao

Sounds cringe to me desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:48:58 2019 No.13935368 File: 345 KB, 746x762, 1560192536540.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935353 >If shakes was non English NO ONE would give a fuck about him. Don't expose us mate. Shut it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:48:58 2019 No.13935369 >>13935190 >implying there isn’t objectivity in literature

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:49:04 2019 No.13935370 >>13935353 I don't think you really got into his work. Probably just some superficially "reading". And his plays are written in verse, in other words, poetry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:52:35 2019 No.13935384 File: 104 KB, 320x287, 1555358713267.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935370 Omer, Virgil , Camões etc... Name one Epic poet that wrote rhyming epic poetry in English, name one.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:53:14 2019 No.13935387

>>13935358
The only other writer which I might consider better than him or on his level is Dante. No writer in French, Portuguese, Spanish and English is better, and I've read their stuff in their original language. The fact that you mention his most widespread phrase is a sign that you clearly haven't read Shakespeare beyond quotes you saw on the web. I would adivise you to truly dive into his work and leave all your prejudices behind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:55:04 2019 No.13935392 >>13935387 Imagine lying on an online anonymous message board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:56:06 2019 No.13935396 >>13935387 You clearly didn't read enough then.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:57:14 2019 No.13935406

>>13935384
>Omer, Virgil , Camões etc...
Homeros and Vergilius came before Shakespeare, though. And I was talking about post Shakespeare writers. Camões is evidently inferior to Shakespeare in every way.
>Name one Epic poet that wrote rhyming epic poetry in English, name one.
Edmun Spenser.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:58:16 2019 No.13935411 >>13935392 >>13935396 Name post

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:58:55 2019 No.13935414 >>13935406 >Camões >Inferior to any English writer Made me giggle. >Edmun Spenser. Literally who?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:00:26 2019 No.13935420 The amount of Seething Anglos on this post is hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:01:30 2019 No.13935425 >>13935414 >he thinks he knows about literature and he doesn't know who Edmund Spenser is Cringe. Opinion disregarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:02:54 2019 No.13935428 >>13935420 I'm seeing more seething anti-Shakespearefags, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:02:56 2019 No.13935429 >Vladimir Nabokov. Despise him greatly. A very florisant yet superficial and plastic prose to masque the lack of any depth. Dreaful poet. A non-entity, means nothing to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:03:55 2019 No.13935433 >>13935392 >>13935396 Name any post-Shakespeare writer that is superior to him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:04:10 2019 No.13935435 >>13935414 I swear, it's always the same guy. I've seen this argument play out before; I'm sure it was you too then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:05:17 2019 No.13935446 >>13935113 He was probably just talking shit and having a good laugh with his wife. Many professors and teachers of literatre and men of letters toss out BS opinions for their own amusement.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:06:17 2019 No.13935453 >>13935435 Who are you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:07:20 2019 No.13935458 >>13935433 What sort of questions is that even? Shakespeare's not a real writer. He wrote plays, in English.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:08:36 2019 No.13935469 >>13935433 The sad part is that you continuously bring up Shakespeare as our best all time (English) writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:09:25 2019 No.13935473 >>13935458 So you can't name anyone? lmao nice dodging

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:10:08 2019 No.13935474 >>13935453 Some random anon; your smugness and devotion to Shakespeare does make you recognizable. No judging; I'm not taking part in this discussion, but I'm certain that I've seen you before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:11:09 2019 No.13935482 >>13935433 Calderón de la Barca.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:11:25 2019 No.13935484 >>13935469 What do you mean "constantly bring up"? I'm only talking about him now in this thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:11:30 2019 No.13935486 >>13935473 There's no dodging really. I'm sure you can name one yourself. Try not to use google, I'm sure you don't need it

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:11:55 2019 No.13935493

>>13935113
It's entirely possible. It reminds me of Tolstoy's thoughts about Anna Karenina. From what I remember, he completely denounced the novel later in life, and yet many people consider it one of the greatest novels of all time. I agree with Socrates' (or rather Plato's rendition of him) assessment of poets and playwrights (and by extension other artists) as being akin to soothsayers who tap into something brilliant without truly comprehending it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:12:52 2019 No.13935499 >>13935482 I've read La vida es sueño in Spanish. It's cute and has some clever wordsmithing here and there but it's nowhere near the heights of Shakespeare.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:13:35 2019 No.13935501 >>13935474 I rarely speak about Shakespeare . I just think that he's ridiculously overrated. Specially due to the fact that you think he's the best English writer of all time, which is also not true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:13:37 2019 No.13935502 >>13935414 Spenser was some homo who wrote about faeries

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:14:07 2019 No.13935506 >>13935486 Dodge-ception. And still not a single name. I expected better from you. Contrarianfags have zero propostions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:14:09 2019 No.13935507 >>13935433 You mean post-Bacon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:15:49 2019 No.13935514 >>13935499 Oh, shit, I'm sorry. I was referring to the other guy, not you. You know, the one talking about how Shakespeare is the best writer of all time. I apologize for the miscommunication.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:16:19 2019 No.13935518 >>13935502 t. has never read Spenser in his life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:16:50 2019 No.13935519 >>13935499 I get the impression that your mind is set and that anyone we bring up is going to get a "no, Shakespeare was better" retort, no matter who.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:17:40 2019 No.13935524 >>13935514 Imagine comparing my mother language, Spanish, with English and speaking about "heights". lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:20:38 2019 No.13935540 Pessoa was better than Shakespeare.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:21:13 2019 No.13935542

>>13935519
It's not really set. I've read literature in five languages and no one comes close in terms of both quality and quantity. Some have quality but not quantity, and vice versa. The amount of great things he wrote is simply unreal. My favorite writer is actually Dante but I consider Shakespeare the greatest. Take the shakespill, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:22:32 2019 No.13935549 >>13935524 My native tongue is actually Spanish. Shakespeare is still the GOAT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:23:17 2019 No.13935552 >>13935542 >I speak five languages >Yet I still think that Shakespeare was the GoaT Duolingo doesn't qualify you as foreign language speaker.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:23:22 2019 No.13935554 >>13935113 >extraordinary writer many citations needed

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:23:42 2019 No.13935557 >>13935540 Pessoa had way fewer registers than Shakespeare. Very limited range. And the poetry is not as good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:26:46 2019 No.13935574 >>13935552 Nice strawman but I have never used Duolingo.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:27:04 2019 No.13935577
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>>13935557
>poetry is nos as good

>I go
>You go
>She/he Goes
>We Go
>You Go
>They Go

This is the English language, rich and poetic. Incredible lexicon as you can attest.
Thank you for making me laugh so much this late in the night.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:33:15 2019 No.13935606

>>13935358
Why wouldn't it be? I speak only two langiages, but my sister for example speaks Croatian, English, Italian, Spanish and Russian. Not like knows it a bit, but can read, speak and write all of them pretty good. Not everyone is an American idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:34:09 2019 No.13935611 >>13935577 Not sure what your point even is, but it sounds autistic. Lexicon and the present simple conjugation of a verb are completely different things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:42:53 2019 No.13935641 >>13935577 thinking that verb conjugations equal poetic quality is one of the most autistic things ive seen on this board

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:44:20 2019 No.13935649 >>13935641 >>13935611 >The

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:48:39 2019 No.13935666 >>13935649 t. autist

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:48:55 2019 No.13935668

>>13935641
He's right though. English, when compared to other languages (let's say romance languages) lacks a lot of lexicon. No wonder it's so easy to learn.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great tool, but you didn't exactly get the best of both worlds with your bastard language.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:49:57 2019 No.13935677 >>13935666 Seethe harder.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:51:24 2019 No.13935685 >>13935677 You're literally the only one seething here sperging about verb conjugations... (?) top kek

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:55:08 2019 No.13935706

>>13935668
English has literally a bigger lexicon than any Romance tongue, and I'm saying this as someone who speaks a Romance language. Verbal conjugations don't even count towards the total number of words of a language so I'm not sure why is that being considered here. And English is easy to learn but difficult to master.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:55:54 2019 No.13935713 >>13935706 You're wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 19:57:03 2019 No.13935721 File: 85 KB, 720x545, 1541369407152.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935706 >And English is easy to learn but difficult to master. >This from a non-native speaker Who are you again? I'm actually curious to know your nationality now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:00:57 2019 No.13935736 File: 33 KB, 541x541, 1560191973022.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >All these people claiming they speak more than two languages. >Probably can't even hold a fluent conversation with a native.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:02:17 2019 No.13935740 >>13935713 It's true, whether you like it or not. >>13935721 To truly master it on a creative level, I meant. To not only follow the guidelines but to use the language to its full potential and sometimes beyond its limits. That's mastering it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:04:01 2019 No.13935748 >>13935740 >It's true, whether you like it or not. No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:04:23 2019 No.13935751 >>13935736 Modern speakers in any language have nothing interesting to say. I'd rather read Goethe than listen to some German bugman with the intellect of a nigger and the opinions of a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:05:38 2019 No.13935760 >>13935706 >English has literally a bigger lexicon than any Romance tongue Sure, if you include words like "Selfie", "Manspreading", "Mansplaining". And even then, I'm not sure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:06:39 2019 No.13935766 >>13935751 Have sex.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:08:03 2019 No.13935770 >>13935766 Cope

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:24:36 2019 No.13935844 >>13935190 Subjective art is the scapegoat of lowbrow retards with temp room iq

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:27:07 2019 No.13935862 Actually, he read some more Hemingway and grew to appreciate him. Don't lump Hemingway in with that clown Conrad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:28:11 2019 No.13935870 >>13935332 >>13935332 >ESLs think they can even read him lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:29:57 2019 No.13935884 >>13935113 He was more based than you. Also fuck your retarded thread, you don't have the slighetest idea of what is good literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:30:07 2019 No.13935886 >>13935870 What do you mean? He wrote plays? How is that difficult to read? I remember him during my schooldays. Boring as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:30:51 2019 No.13935888 >>13935886 His worth is in the poetry and that remains undetectable for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:31:33 2019 No.13935891 >>13935888 Thank God. Poetry is for retarded incels anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:32:08 2019 No.13935893 >>13935891 >ESL mask off

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:32:11 2019 No.13935895 >>13935884 Neither did Nabokov. He thought of literature as little plastic clockwork things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:33:09 2019 No.13935900 >>13935895 wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:33:31 2019 No.13935902 >>13935891 >Poetry is for retarded incels anyway. kek the absolute state of plebs who think they know shit about literature

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:34:13 2019 No.13935905 >>13935893 >Throwing random acronyms around At least I get laid mate. You should try.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:34:31 2019 No.13935909 >>13935900 He said it himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:35:15 2019 No.13935911 >>13935895 >muh dostoevsky >muh joys >muh conrad >muh camus Who the fuck cares? That's a small handful of writers among a hundred others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:35:35 2019 No.13935912 >>13935909 No, he didnt

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:35:52 2019 No.13935914 >>13935902 >"poetry" >muh deep literature knawlage >Incel I think I just shat my pants.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:37:44 2019 No.13935923 >>13935905 Getting laid with men doesn't count fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:40:08 2019 No.13935932 >>13935923 I know, that's why I told you to get laid. Enjoying poetry that much will only allow you to shag men.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:40:48 2019 No.13935934 >>13935914 Poetry is the life-blood of literature. All the greats read poetry, wrote poetry or were failed poets. I don't know why are you in literature board discussing literature if you hate poetry in such an autistic way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:41:50 2019 No.13935941 >>13935912 He said something to that effect.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:42:01 2019 No.13935942 >>13935932 brainlet keeps coping

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:42:56 2019 No.13935948 >>13935934 That's pretty cringe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:43:03 2019 No.13935949 >>13935941 nah

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:43:54 2019 No.13935954 >>13935948 It's nothing but the truth, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:43:58 2019 No.13935956 >>13935942 Have sex.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:45:40 2019 No.13935967 >>13935113 >said Anna Karenina was the pinnacle of novels based nab still weeding out pseuds

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:46:02 2019 No.13935970 >>13935956 Read books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:47:51 2019 No.13935988 >>13935888 >thinking Shakespeare was a better poet than Milton

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:48:31 2019 No.13935991 >>13935970 Why? Life’s too short. We will all turn to shit eventually. If there’s no God, and no afterlife, give me a reason to read anything meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:55:01 2019 No.13936029 >>13935991 You can say the same about literally everything, though. "Why watch films? Why fuck? Why eat? Why listen to music if we're going to be shit eventually?"

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 20:56:35 2019 No.13936041 >>13935991 Not sure why are you even in this board, then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:02:51 2019 No.13936068 >>13935970 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:14:03 2019 No.13936117 >>13936041 >thinking nu-/lit/ reads Every thread is a poorly disguised /pol/ thread at this point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:19:12 2019 No.13936137 >>13935113 Nabokov is a good writer in the sense that Ayn Rand is a good writer. They're well known, certainly, but only that they accomplished via gimmicks and through an ignorant American public.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:25:28 2019 No.13936159 >>13936137 You couldn't even go two sentences without misusing the word "sense" and you want to lecture us about the productions of a great literary mind. Gtfo

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:27:18 2019 No.13936168 >>13936159 he used it correctly, though. why do you niggers think you can try to correct people?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:27:58 2019 No.13936170 >>13936168 No, he absolutely did not. There is no sense of good meaning well known.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:29:30 2019 No.13936178 >>13936170 Are you autistic and a nigger? Great combination, lad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:29:46 2019 No.13936179 >>13936159 >>13936170 Imagine being this aggressively retarded the phrase is idiomatic you ape https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+a+sense https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/in-a-sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:30:58 2019 No.13936183 >>13936179 And in no sense does the word "good" mean well known.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:32:21 2019 No.13936189 >>13936137 Ayn Rand was unironically a good writer though. She had mental vacuous ideas, but her skill as a writer was good.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:33:15 2019 No.13936195
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>>13936178
I mean I mean look at the logistics of the underscore death wheel clap trap panty stew your moms got cuddled in the fucking barn yard evenly spinning wheel, fuck mate you’re here we arrived ride with me, don’t fucking die; hold onto the endless summer dream beam triple life I’m going to hell when I die, oh yes then I said Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Called shots cheap shots
Slack jaws low blows
Weak chins chin checked
Chin up like cholos
No life signs left
Ah yes, try mine
This thresh hold thresh
Hold stretch life times
Machine human malformed machine
Uninformed unit forlorn regime
Metamorph me into done for at last
At least until my present shore has past
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Nut job, no job
Fuck jobs, not hired
Low lands, road rash
War path crossfire
Non-threats, hot mess
Known threats, stalk less
Talk less, show less
Snatch yours trap doors
Ripper ripper skin tight, too tight
Too tight holding solid moonlight moonlight
Moonlight, kevlar coated slit moon, lunar gush
Lunar gush carry on carrion never been far enough
Hocus breaking in and centering
Broke in and gave up on everything, everything
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah disappointed
Rot clot corpse cut
Corpse cut your husk
Scorned husk born shook
Torn trick core breached
Shook fuck shit head
Bitch too short street
Shut the fuck up or fed
Both you're
Disappointed

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:34:18 2019 No.13936197 >>13936195 cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:36:50 2019 No.13936208 >>13936183 "well + positive adjective" are synonymous with something good and positive, though.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:37:08 2019 No.13936211

>>13936197
WAIT WAIT SIR CAN I PLEASE >BRAPPPPPPP
>SIR CAN I PLEASE LOCATE THE

SAM HYDE DREAM TEAM 123 start trick pony run girl she’s a fast one fucking sucking dicks riding them quickly she gets in oh yeah man so fucking nice lovely bones trickle me strangle me kill me eat me rape me do what you want to me throw me on the taper ht payday helplessly fuck yes qweutstionns

SIR SIR YOURSELF IS WALKING FUCKING STUPIDITY

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:38:05 2019 No.13936217 >>13935190 Art isn't subjective.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:39:07 2019 No.13936224 >>13935306 Which is why he was so based.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:39:53 2019 No.13936226 >>13936211 Never go full nigger.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:41:23 2019 No.13936238

>>13936217
There is this and there is that which is this and this which is that and this which is so and I’m the superior one to you so which means in return I shall shan’t not see through your internal weakness just like everyone else we die and we live in pain which causes us to listen to the truth which cause us to which cause us to which causes us to which causes us to which causes us to which causes us to

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:41:23 2019 No.13936239 >>13936208 yes, but its a shame adjectives and adverbs can't stand alone and are always describing something. "Good at writing" does not in any sense mean "well known"

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:41:32 2019 No.13936240 >>13936183 That is precisely the point the anon was making, you illiterate chimp.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:43:08 2019 No.13936249 >>13936240 >good in the sense of this means it isn't good in the sense of this Amazing watching the fauna of this board try to read

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:43:56 2019 No.13936254 >>13936239 "Good" is subject to change depending on each person's views, though. Especially when discussing opinions on art and artists, which is the case here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:43:58 2019 No.13936255 >>13935113 Other way around. How can such an awful writer have good opinions?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:44:20 2019 No.13936257 >>13936249 The implication was that people wrongly conflate the two, you brainless bonobo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:44:40 2019 No.13936260 >>13936254 "Good writer" means "well-known" only in the mind of an imbecile

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:45:41 2019 No.13936269 >>13936257 No, the implication was that there is in fact a sense of good meaning well-known but that she wasn't good in the other sense. The former, despite this ridiculous damage control, doesn't exist. It's just poor writing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:45:49 2019 No.13936270 >>13936257 Watching ESL fags blow up over nothing is truly hilarious

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:46:13 2019 No.13936273 >>13936260 Maybe, but that's exactly what he was talking about. He was "good" for the pleb mind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:46:31 2019 No.13936277 >>13935113 he didn't hate cervantes tho. when he calls don quixote a cruel book that doesnt mean he thinks its bad. in his lectures u can see he loves it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:47:11 2019 No.13936281 >>13936273 What an imbecile thing to write or defend. "Kipling is good in the sense that he's well known." What sort of retard could write that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:47:33 2019 No.13936286 File: 426 KB, 2221x1790, 1543475715048.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13936189 >Ayn Rand was unironically a good writer though. She had mental vacuous ideas, but her skill as a writer was good.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:47:38 2019 No.13936287

>>13936226
Paradise Lost is an epic poem in blank verse by the 17th-century English poet John Milton (1608–1674). The first version, published in 1667, consists of ten books with over ten thousand lines of verse. A second edition followed in 1674, arranged into twelve books (in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid) with minor revisions throughout.[1][2] It is considered by critics to be Milton's major work, and it helped solidify his reputation as one of the greatest English poets of his time.[3]

For other uses, see Paradise Lost (disambiguation).
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The poem concerns the biblical story of the Fall of Man: the temptation of Adam and Eve by the fallen angel Satan and their expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Milton's purpose, stated in Book I, is to "justify the ways of God to men."[6]

In his introduction to the Penguin edition of Paradise Lost, the Milton scholar John Leonard notes, "John Milton was nearly sixty when he published Paradise Lost in 1667. The biographer John Aubrey (1626–97) tells us that the poem was begun in about 1658 and finished in about 1663. However, parts were almost certainly written earlier, and its roots lie in Milton's earliest youth."[7] Leonard speculates that the English Civil War interrupted Milton's earliest attempts to start his "epic [poem] that would encompass all space and time."

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:48:10 2019 No.13936291 >>13935113 >>Hated Joyce except Ulysses Reminder that he ADORED Ulysses. Don't pretend he hated Joyce.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:49:20 2019 No.13936297 >>13936291 Comprehension retard do you know it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:50:23 2019 No.13936302 >>13936281 But that's not at all what's said, it's more like "Kipling is good writer in the sense that Dr. Seuss is a good writer" and that they are both well known is what unifies them alongside the implied mediocrity

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:51:10 2019 No.13936307 >>13936287 It's amazing how niggers start to spew nonsense once you single them out LMAO @ your life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:51:36 2019 No.13936313 >>13935190 There is 0 subjectivity in art

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:53:04 2019 No.13936323 >>13936302 And that sense is "well-known" which is not a sense of good and is not what was meant. It's obvious he didn't mean they were actually good but the writing is piss poor and the fact that clowns like you are jumping in to defend it is amusing

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:53:07 2019 No.13936325 >>13936269 He's not saying they are the same word. He's talking in relative context ("in the sense").

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:53:11 2019 No.13936326 >>13936297 Point being is Ulysses was one of his favorite works of literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:54:36 2019 No.13936333 >>13936313 Artistic taste is subjective. Artistic opinions are subjective. Art-making is subjective. The only objective thing in art is artistic merit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:55:49 2019 No.13936342 >>13936325 I know what he means. What he means is not what he is writing and that is what makes it poor prose.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:55:58 2019 No.13936343
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>>13936307
>>13936313
WE ARE ALIVE DADDIO
Find the innuendo intriguing do we boys, yes boys aye aye, cheers over the moon overjoyed here right now, we are alive

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 21:58:05 2019 No.13936355

>>13936323
Keep your amusement, you were wrong about the structure and parallel phrasing, and for all the 'badness' involved you can't even properly articulate an explanation. That you should be eager to lecture on linguistics is amusement for the rest of us.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:00:12 2019 No.13936373 >>13936342 >>13936355 As it turns out, the word "good" has many definitions many of which can be closely associated with being a well-known writer. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/good

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:01:49 2019 No.13936382 >>13936355 The explanation is as simple as I can make it, but not necessarily as simple as you need it to be. Take your time with it and try to understand that I both perceived his meaning and depreciated his manner of expressing it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:03:47 2019 No.13936392 >>13936373 I’ve actually got someone saying good can be a synonym for well-known. What a cesspool this place is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:05:28 2019 No.13936402 >>13935324 why anglos education system lie to their students and let them believe that shitspeare is the best writer ever even if he only wrote theater? even pirandello is better than him, but no one gives a shit because he is >italian

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:06:14 2019 No.13936405 >>13936392 That's not what I said. Learn to read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:06:34 2019 No.13936407 >>13936402 You can’t speak English so how could you know?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:07:16 2019 No.13936412 >>13936402 I'm not even Anglo. Try harder, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:07:36 2019 No.13936415 >>13936405 Look up synonym, clown

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:10:25 2019 No.13936429 >>13936415 Did you even read the link or are you just being a faggot for the hell of it? Oof did I "misuse" the word hell, too? lmao fuck off with your nonsense niggerfaggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:15:18 2019 No.13936462 >>13936429 I’m not going to read a link from someone who thinks good can mean well-known, especially when it loterally needs to pair with an adjective

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:17:43 2019 No.13936472 >>13936462 >I’m not going to read a link from someone who thinks good can mean well-known, kek then I'm afraid you don't want your opinion to be changed. The English dictionary >>>> some nigger's opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:18:50 2019 No.13936477 >>13936472 I agree, that’s why I don’t use simplified modern versions of it. http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Good

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:20:29 2019 No.13936488 >>13935760 based

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:21:15 2019 No.13936494 >>13936488 Cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:22:29 2019 No.13936498 >>13936477 >7. Convenient; useful; expedient; conducive to happiness. >14. Useful; valuable; having qualities or a tendency to produce a good effect. Pretty sure being a well-known writer qualifies for these.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:24:06 2019 No.13936506 >>13936498 >pretty sure being well-known qualifies as words that don’t mean well-known Lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:26:06 2019 No.13936520 >>13936506 >conducive to happiness. >tendency to produce a good effect. These are concepts, not single words. It's all relative anyway, so being a well-known writer can certainly lead to these depending on the circumstances.

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:26:54 2019 No.13936524

It's contrarianism for its own sake. He wanted to make it seem that by rejecting all these hallowed authors it would show how unique and elevated his sensibilities are. He was an amusingly pompous man with an incredible ego. He was a snob and gratified about it that was descended from 14th century Russian nobility. He enjoyed being an American and the self-aggrandizement that it not only permitted but endorsed and delighted in expressing his opinions like he never could in the Soviet Union.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:27:47 2019 No.13936533 He was an unreliable narrator in real life. Even his opinions he wanted people to challenge and make think for themselves why he was wrong. A few of his books were inspired by Dostoyevsky even though he liked to talk shit about him

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:29:25 2019 No.13936539 He was ahead of his time

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:32:42 2019 No.13936552 >>13936520 >its all relative anyway This fucking board lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:35:02 2019 No.13936561 >>13936552 Lovely argument you got there, nigger LMAO just stfu already. You got BTFOd multiple times already. Have some fucking dignity and go pick some cotton.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:38:55 2019 No.13936576 >>13936524 Or maybe, just maybe, he didn't like their work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:40:55 2019 No.13936586 >>13935406 >Camões is evidently inferior to Shakespeare in every way Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:51:21 2019 No.13936633 > Write novel about paedophilia > Include a character who is a paedophile and writer > Writer paedophile character is anagram of OWN NAME. Uh.... guys..?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 22:57:59 2019 No.13936657 >>13935113 He sounds pretty based to me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:01:04 2019 No.13936672 >>13936561 >good means well known Lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:02:43 2019 No.13936680 >>13936672 See: >>13936498 & >>13936520

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:36:54 2019 No.13936818 >>13936680 See>>13936477

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:37:43 2019 No.13936820 >>13936818 See: >>13936680

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:42:08 2019 No.13936844 >>13936633 Vivian Darkbloom wasn't a pedo and I'm pretty sure Quilty wasn't either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 23:47:04 2019 No.13936868 >>13936844 Quilty was the first pervert who got Dolores into doing sexual stuff. That's why she's so open about it with Humbert: she was already initiated in the sexual realm. She was no amateur.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:12:35 2019 No.13937383 File: 5 KB, 220x273, 5d0ca39583af408b64a8b0a8cbf1c8fe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935384 POPE

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:32:59 2019 No.13937427 >>13937383 based Pope poster

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 04:40:57 2019 No.13937713 he wasnt a teenage pseud on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 06:46:11 2019 No.13937961 >>13936586 Because he never read him. How could he? It's one of the hardest master-pieces of literature to get into. Even harder in it's original language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 07:30:42 2019 No.13938083 He has a very specific take on what litterature should be and thous aoutors don't fit. He beloved it was all about asthetics pleasure and methaphorical and ideais buried under a veil of fiction are trash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 07:36:45 2019 No.13938107 >>13935433 Nabokov, Tolstoy, Joyce

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 07:46:19 2019 No.13938127

>>13936117
Hate to say it, but you're right. Even a couple of years ago, this thread would have had comments comparing stylistic and thematic elements between Nabokov and the writers he criticised. Instead you get comments that appear to have spewed from a broken septic tank.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 07:55:43 2019 No.13938155 >>13935760 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 07:57:35 2019 No.13938160 File: 25 KB, 419x436, 1560192998396.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13935706 Imagine actually being this delusional.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 08:05:06 2019 No.13938189 >>13936412 Even worst, you're an angloboo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 08:06:51 2019 No.13938195 >>13935113 >extraordinarily bad opinions Literally all of these opinions are correct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 08:23:20 2019 No.13938237 >>13935760 Based. Bababased. Superbased

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 08:23:45 2019 No.13938240 >>13938160 It’s true though. English is THE master language. You’re using it right now

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:14:11 2019 No.13938587 >>13935113 Based except for the Cervantes thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:20:50 2019 No.13938619 >>13938127 Yeah, I scrolled back through this thread and it's pretty disappointing. There's 50 posts about Shakespeare but no one makes an actual argiment, just "based" and "have sex" and ">he actually thinks X" with some laughing meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:39:05 2019 No.13938704 File: 64 KB, 600x600, b02de63449b85e7beff30b6f3c05cd62815f1060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13938107 Good one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:42:05 2019 No.13938721 >>13938240 no Im not

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:46:40 2019 No.13938738 File: 244 KB, 383x390, 43432432432.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13938721 Typical case of "Hating the rich, while taking their tips"

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 10:48:56 2019 No.13938744

I'm an autist and just begun studying poetry but why hasn't anybody referenced that Shakespeare uses poetic meter in his dialogue. Why are we just stating he's good or bad if we can prove it through his use of iambic pentameter. I'm grok levels dumb, but everybody above me should leave /lit/ or go back to lurking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:40:57 2019 No.13939443 ESLs talk about how easy English is but I’ve never seen one compose more than a few sentences without tripping.

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