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How can we reunite Science and Philosophy again? Not as a single, unified system but two independent fields of study that learn and grow from each other.

>> No.13929803

>>13929787
when the physicists figure out what the fuck is going on so the new picture can be reconciled with metaphysics

>> No.13929805

>>13929787
Not as long as the Anglo reigns supreme.

>> No.13929808

Butterfly is cute :3

>> No.13929815

>>13929787
Calm down, batiuchka!

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>>13929787
by burning them both at the stake

>> No.13929915

>>13929787
They are inverses of each other. Science is to know everything about nothing, philosophy to know nothing about everything. Since when were science and philosophy united?

>> No.13929954

>>13929787
lemme fuck first then we'll see what's possible

>> No.13930030
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>>13929787
Both are incompatible. Knowledge is infinite and the truth inconceivable insofar that not everything can be known. Science deals with fact and philosophy deals with truth. It has been debated for centuries whether if truth is through our senses or through our minds (empiricism, rationalism) even in a post-Kant world the debate won't end anytime soon. And science can be reduced to pure empiricism. There is no fruit that either philosophy and science bears that can be shared by either of the two.
>>13929803
Metaphysics qua metaphysics is not dependent on physics

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with lines

>> No.13930185

Are you retarded?
This ain't r/SamHarris you absolute nigger

>> No.13930231
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Penrose

>> No.13930247

>>13929787
1. Declare empiricism to be fake news, only rationalism remains, philosophy is rationalism

>> No.13930254

>>13930247
>unite science and philosophy by declaring science fake news
Glad to see you niggers finally admitting philosophy is 'fake news'

>> No.13930261

>>13929787
Have you heard of Hegel or Marx

>> No.13930262

>>13929787
You can't. Both fields think they are better than the other. They will never negotiate.

>> No.13930287

>>13930254
>declaring science fake news
Empiricism is simply observations that any idiot can make. The only difference is that people with money can afford the obnoxious and exorbitant setups needed to make those same shitty observations worth nothing but on things no one else can see or understand. For example, sending machines to the moon to laser beam a rock.

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>>13929805
anglo's are the ones trying to unite the two though

>> No.13930562

Science is not what you think it is. Science and Philosophy are in a very serious relationship. What’s going on is that technology, since the industrial revolution, has transformed into a hyper functional cybernetic machine with veins stretching out over land air and sea everyday. Artificial intelligence? LOL look at the Machine, what sense is there to be made of it? Traversing the real and virtual leaving us stupified. In one instance it is holding you hostage, in another it is fulfilling all of your dreams

>> No.13930583

No. Philosophy is about making up bullshit out of thing air. Science is about observing the universe and making conjectures out of it.

The only use philosophy has is in humanities, and that's where it should stay.

>> No.13930599

>>13930583
Induction begins with hypothesis. Deduction always treats the data of previous proven hypothesis.
Do your own reading

>> No.13930737

>>13929787
It already is. Read anything from post-WW2 philosophy of science, analytic metaphysics, analytic epistemology, etc. It's just the conties who are babbling inanely to themselves in a corner.

>> No.13931191

>>13929787
Just spam the credibility/demarcation problem at them
>t. David Lindberg
The word pseudo science is a spook

>> No.13931259

>>13929787
Cosmopolitics. Read Isabelle Stengers.

>> No.13931431

>>13929787
They are united, by the fact that empiricism is still your only conduit to knowledge no matter how you try to frame things. Abstractions don't come from nowhere, they are borne from observation of consistencies.

>> No.13932063

>>13931259
Is it actually good or just conti rubbish?

>> No.13932075

>>13929787
People will shitpost in this thread about whatever meme shit they like, but this is unironically the most pressing philosophical question of our age

The bifurcation of knowledge has been a disaster for the human race

>> No.13932411

>>13930231
Every fucking physicscuck and mathfag believes in this shit.

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>> No.13932435

>>13932411
Everyone believes the dimension of the mind is irreducible to the physical world?

>> No.13932479

>>13929787
lmao get a real, paying job and stop trying to leech from us
t. STEMchad

>> No.13932483

>>13929787
Epistemology class in HS/university

>> No.13932585

>>13932075
Union of the physical and the metaphysical solves everything and will just make you realize you are the real problem. The answer lies within. It LIES so we can all breathe.

>> No.13932594

Science is already a subfield of philosophy, which itself is a subfield of theology.

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>>13930583

>> No.13934037

>>13929787
already the case.... goddamn this board has dropped 60 iq points over the least years

>>13930030
>philosophy deals with truth
2000 years ago, yes. Not the case from descartes onwards. But at least Kant & all were explicit about their "philosophical" system being shit (ironically enough, academics missed this line in kant's work kek)