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Is ego death the end goal of Christianity?

>> No.13927607
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13927607

Ethical Egoism is the end goal of Christianity

>> No.13927610

As long as you still serve God's will

>> No.13927615

>>13927594
No.

>> No.13927616

>>13927594
No. It the joining of the individual will with the will of God. This requires the preservation of the individual will, but it must be so denied that despite its continuation, it has no distinct identity except in not being God itself.

>> No.13927651

>>13927616
My will is the will of God tho. Like by default. You think he'll gimme it without willing it?

>> No.13927653

If by ego you mean anything other than the soul God gave you then yes. Once that’s gone you can start mystical union or whatever.

>> No.13927659

>>13927594
No, the death of the demon within you.

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I've been thinking... shouldn't anyone capable of becoming a priest, monk or nun become one?

>> No.13927687

The one interesting aspect about Christian spirituality is its emphasis on the dignity and metaphysical importance of the individual, personal soul. This: >>13927616 is Muslim shit from the 9th century that was mostly rejected or at least softened by Christians, even neo-Platonizing ones.

Never understood why some Christians want to transition to Muslim and start talking about how God created your distinctness and individuality just to un-create it so you can bask in his glow for eternity. Creepy, pleasure-oriented, bestial, oriental conception of heaven.

>> No.13927698

>>13927687
Absolutely positively based

>> No.13927702

>>13927687
Can I get an orthodox Catholic take on this post?

>> No.13927705

>>13927675
You could join a third order too.

>> No.13927729

>>13927607
hard to escape this mindset when it is so reasonable

>> No.13928032

>>13927607

fpbp

>> No.13928060

>>13927594
Basically, though it might be considered more of an accessory of letting God order you around every minute of your life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx-4ey6P3Oo

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>>13927594

No, it actually is Subjective Idealism but so Subjectively Ideal that it demands you recognize your fellow man as Subjectively Ideal as well, and that you realize neither of you detracts from the other.

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>>13927594
Frankly, the afterlife is a jumbled mess in the Bible. There are arguments to be made for soul sleep, temporary spiritual heaven until the resurrection (but how would you have a concept of time in god’s presence?), purgatory (or maybe not), and for the unrepentant wicked, while we know their fate is undesirable, Jesus and the other New Testament writers were not exactly explicit as to their precise fate—is it really eternal burning/physical torture? Is it simply a shadowy state of deprivation, a continuation of life which is only hell by comparison to the joys of Heaven? Is it annihilation (after all, what does a fire do? Burn things into ash.) Is all hell purificatory and everyone will eventually be saved, as Origen thought?

One thing that is for certain is the Resurrection and the New Heaven and the New Earth. We know for sure that everyone, regardless of their deeds, will be resurrected, judged, and either allowed to join the New Heaven and New Earth or not. New EARTH is an important part to remember that gets left out for some reason. Earth will be restored to a paradisiacal state. The chosen Resurrected will have glorified bodies, meaning they will have powers comparable to those of Jesus after his Resurrection. It’s even plausible to say they will possess some of God’s creative power.

Basically the point I’m trying to make is that no, a Nirvana like spiritual oblivion is NOT the end point of Christianity.

>> No.13928163

>>13927687
>metaphysical importance of the individual, personal soul
The depth to which "soul" goes depends on your interpretation. As I am more familiarized with Martinism and the mystic side of Christianity, I see the "individual soul" not as really "individual", but, as Boehme puts it, "as a Branch in the Tree of Christ". To surrender one's will to God is to have that branch flower and sprout. To divorce oneself from God's Hill is to have that branch whither.

>God created your distinctness and individuality just to un-create it so you can bask in his glow for eternity.
From mainstream christianity (Let Thy Will be done, as in Earth so in Heaven) to heretic streams (e.g., Martinism), the union of one's own lower will with the Will of God is the goal of Christianity. It is a similar process as that of properly following the Tao in Taoism, as Guénon outlines in his Symbolism of the Cross. Hieromonk Damascene does the same in his Christ the Eternal Tao (In the Beginning was the Tao...).

God does not want slaves. Jacob Boehme outlines this at length in his The Way to Christ. Free Will has as condition the possibility of divorcing oneself from God's Love, and thereby losing part of one's Free Will as one's will becomes conditioned by sin, until repentance is achieved.

>>13928061
>subjective idealism
>read: solipsim
Humm, no.

This stance would have you believe that nothing can be known outside of one's own mind. The transcendental is actually above and beyond your own mind, even though it is also pervading through it and through everything else.

Although it is true that one can't know the world in itself, this doesn't reduce reality to one's own mind.

To do that is to equate oneself with the Father. Remember, the Father is not the Son is not the Spirit. They proceed from the same essence, but they are not the same. Likewise, you and the World proceed from the same essence, but are not that essence.

Subjective Idealism equates one's own mind with the Father, and in doing so the Holy Spirit is the most one can reach, and is within himself. To believe in this is to deem oneself the Arbiter of Truth, because Trinity is reduced to Duality, and consequently the "Objective" becomes the whim of the Subjective.

This is not Christianity. This is New Age. And we throw New Age in the trash.

>> No.13928182

>>13928163

Subjective Idealism and Solipsism not the same, in fact, they are almost antonyms.

>> No.13928188

>>13928182
pls explain

>> No.13928210

>>13927594
Nope, selfdelusion.

>> No.13928321

>>13928188

Solipsism: things that are not your immanent self are peepee and worth poopoo forever.

Subjective Idealism: your immanent self is bound to your Eschatological self by a continuous thread of experience along which things that are not you will be transformed, destroyed, consecrated, etc.

>> No.13928332

>>13928210
if that were true, it would be more of a means than an end. Think.

>> No.13928397

>>13928321
>things that are not you will be transformed, destroyed, consecrated, etc.
Doesn't this bind every not-you thing to you, making you the center of the universe?