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>ah yes finally a man whose writings were definitely meant to be compatible with my milquetoast bourgeois academic lifestyle and should definitely only be engaged with on the most sterile, abstract level
>yes, truly I, being an intellectual, understand that what Nietzsche really wanted me to do was to be able to stand in this cafe line for my daily bagel and be able to smirk at all of these poor slave-moralist fools and lastmen who will never understand how brave I am for being able to transcend the transvaluation of all values by renewing my Netflix subscription
>indeed, god is dead and I must create my own values but I'll still end up living like literally everyone else because Nietzsche wouldn't want me to be violent or racist or anything, no, instead his philosophy obviously demands I publish another article in some intelligentsia circle-jerking journal so I can get tenure
>n-no, y-you can't use Nietzsche to justify r-rape...don't be a slave to your base urges!
>w-what? you raping someone would be a creative expression of your sovereign agency and a fulfillment of your most authentic essence, realizing your own Will to Power?
>NO NO NO!! YOU CAN'T DO THAT! NIETZSCHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NICE, NEAT, SAFE LITTLE GENIUS FOR PONTIFICATING ACADEMICS TO PUBLISH VACUOUS SECONDARY AND TERTIARY LITERATURE ABOUT
>YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND LIVE BY HIS PRINCIPLES!! YOU HAVE TO OBFUSCATE THEM TO OBLIVION IN SOME COLLEGE LECTURE HALL OR ON SOME SUBREDDIT TO BTFO CHRISTKEKS AND MEATHEAD GYM-BROS WHO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND LIVE THE VITAL LIFE THAT NIETZSCHE PROSELYTIZED!!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.13924486

>>13924469
t. wannabe rapist

>> No.13924497

>>13924469
*rapes and tickle tortures you*

>> No.13924502

>>13924469
>n-nietzsche would have hated the nazis and hitler r-right?

>> No.13924509

>>13924502
Yes

>> No.13924518

>>13924502
He would have been okay with them had they been French or Italian. No one wants a world ruled by loud-mouthed alcoholic krauts.

>> No.13924522

>>13924502
depends on if you think Hitler was sincere or just wanted power

>> No.13924535

>>13924518
This desu

>> No.13924714

>>13924518
>No one wants a world ruled by loud-mouthed alcoholic krauts
why

>> No.13924791

>>13924469
pretty much, but you should add that their interpretation of the death of god and the transvaluation of values as "emancipatory" (and an extremely narrow emancipatory at that) is bogus because they just prop up Liberal Values and Human Rights as a new unmoved mover of values. Nietzsche deffo was not a racist or fascist in the traditional sense but he wouldn't want to be read as "great now i can have gay sex cause le christian sky king is dead"

>> No.13924822

>>13924518
>loud-mouthed alcoholic krauts

I'm thoroughly convinced that Germans really were the master race. If they weren't: Beethoven would have been born somewhere else, better architects would have come from some other ethnic group, some other country would have forged forward with a gold standard and a lack of a Rothschild-controlled central bank, and the (((allied powers))) would have never considered drafting the Treaty of Versailles, provoking Germany to invade Poland, fabricating the Holocaust, splitting their country between the control of two global superpowers that stole their scientists, defamed their military, and humiliated their citizens, and eventually molded Germany into an effeminate, emasculated, hedonistic Communist hellhole and the seat of the European Union..

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>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO THE DENAZIFICATION PROCESS

>> No.13924877

>>13924469
Stop reposting this thread. Is this like the 5th iteration now or something?

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>>13924502
Yes, because Will to Power stops where the feelings of Jews begin..

>> No.13924888

>>13924855
>Literally hung out with Hitler assassination conspirators

>> No.13924889

>>13924877
have sex

>> No.13924985

>>13924879
Nietzsche hated anti-semitism. If you had actually read BGE, or On the Genealogy of Morality, or the un-edited Will to Power, you'd understand that. But instead you and the others on this thread want to do some basement-dweller nazi smugposting about how the intellectuals taking Nietzsche seriously are cowards compared to the NEETs who turn him into a cartoon character in service of their facile masturbatory racism.

>> No.13924999

>>13924985
>>ah yes finally a man whose writings were definitely meant to be compatible with my milquetoast bourgeois academic lifestyle and should definitely only be engaged with on the most sterile, abstract level

>> No.13925003

>>13924518
>t. someone who's never spent time talking to French or Italians, let along drunk French or Italians.

>> No.13925004

>>13924985
You're right. Nietzsche was a neoliberal at heart.

Edit: THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND SIR

>> No.13925032

>another thread about whether Nietzsche was 'antisemitic' or not
You should all be drawn and quartered.

He praised and criticized jews and didn't like the popular antisemitic movement of his time. If this is too much nuance for you just fucking kill yourself

>> No.13925036

>>13924985
>Nietzsche hated anti-semitism
Don't care. Plato hated Syrians. Doesn't mean I can't leave the cave with my big tiddied Syrian gf

>> No.13925042

>>13925032
You're saying every issue isn't black and white?
Dropped

>> No.13925048

>>13925032
This. It was some roastie in his family that took his works and tried to shill them as anti-jew to the public as his health declined and even after his death.

>> No.13925082

>>13925048
>his sister just made up all the quotes where he absolutely dumps on Judaism and it being the cause of the greatest curse on the human race(Christianity)
Stop being a fag and realize that Nietzsche would be branded an anti-semite today and would be depersoned from every social media service, nvm ever getting close to academia.

His issue with antisemitism was the particular antisemitism of his time that was based on biological determinism and their Irredeemability.

>> No.13925093

>>13924469
>having to agree with neetché wholeheartedly.

>> No.13925095

>>13924469
quite ironic, considering this is the most surface level interpretation of Nietzsche I've read in my life

>> No.13925100

>>13925082
"Upon her arrival in Germany in 1893, Förster-Nietzsche found her brother an invalid, cared for by their mother. After a lifetime of health problems, Nietzsche had had a nervous breakdown in 1889. His work had already been published and, although he was a recluse, Nietzsche was becoming a famous philosopher throughout Europe. So she became her brother’s caretaker, promoting his writing and creating the Nietzsche Archive in 1894. She published a collection of Nietzsche’s notes in the posthumous book The Will to Power.

However, she assumed the role of editing Nietzsche’s manuscripts and in so doing, reworked them to fit her nationalist ideology, which was quite often opposite the stated opinions of her brother. Years before, when told of his sister and brother-in-law’s plans to create a German colony, he had reportedly responded with mocking laughter. Nietzsche spoke out against anti-Semitism before his breakdown and his friendship to Richard Wagner was strained because of the composer’s views."

>> No.13925117

>>13925100
You could have just said "yes, you're right".

>> No.13925132

>>13925117
I don't really care about the nuance, I am just trying to solidly establish he wasn't a Nazi bootlicker like his sister.

"On his death (1900) she secured the rights to his manuscripts and renamed her family home the Nietzsche-Archiv. Refusing public access to her brother’s works, she edited them without scruple or understanding.

While Elisabeth gained a wide audience for her misinterpretations, she withheld Nietzsche’s self-interpretation, Ecce Homo, until 1908. Meanwhile, she collected some of his notes under the title Der Wille zur Macht (“The Will to Power”) and presented this work, first as part of her three-volume biography (1895–1904), then in a one-volume edition (1901), and finally in a completely remodeled two-volume edition (1906) that was widely considered Nietzsche’s magnum opus. Her distortions of Nietzsche’s ideas in this work and others were in large measure responsible for the subsequent misperception of Nietzsche as an early philosopher of fascism. Elisabeth was a supporter of the Nazi Party; her funeral in 1935 was attended by Adolf Hitler and other Nazi dignitaries. After her death scholars reedited Nietzsche’s writings and found some of Elisabeth’s versions distorted and spurious: she forged nearly 30 letters and often rewrote passages. The discovery of her forgeries and of the original texts profoundly influenced later interpretations of Nietzsche’s philosophy."

>> No.13925133

>>13925048
You don't seem to have understood my post at all. Nietzsche says loads of shit that is very critical of Jews.

Just erase the word 'antisemitic' from your mind and look at the specific positive and negative things he said about them.

>> No.13925936

nietzsche was secretly gay

>> No.13925961

>>13924985
Nietzsche disliked the antisemites (not antisemitism) of his time because they were full of resentment. By modern standards he was himself an antisemite though.

>> No.13926063

>>13924518
Haha this. In a sense, he even made this clear himself in his writings whenever he adulated Napoleon or Cesare Borgia.

>> No.13926548

>>13926063
Or Bizet over Wagner, Voltaire, Machiavelli, etc.

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>PLEASE JUST ADMIT NIETZSCHE IS AN ANTI-SEMITE LIKE ME!!!!!!! HE WOULD HAVE LOVED HITLER!!! PLEAAASE

>> No.13926714

>>13925132
>I don't really care about the nuance, I am just trying to solidly establish he wasn't a Nazi bootlicker like his sister.
No one in the history of man has implied that.

>> No.13926742

>>13925961
>By modern standards he was himself an antisemite though.
How?

>> No.13926746

>>13926714
>No one in the history of man has implied that.
Read the thread. Read most threads on Neetch too.

>> No.13926922

literal fucking idiots who have never read nietzsche in their lives say this kind of shit, who read the words "will to power" and think WOAHHHHH that must mean i can rape people XDDDD!!! no you fucking loser nietzsche constantly constantly mentions that preying on others shows NOTHING but your own WEAKNESS. you are no fucking better than the priests that nietzsche spends entire books shitting on, precisely because their "power" comes from hurting others

>> No.13926930

>>13924469
Narrative of soul against soul.

Defanged Nietzsche is retarded. Nietzsche with extra vampire teeth Naruto running is almost as bad though.

>> No.13926966

>>13926746
Whether Nietzsche would have personally liked the nazis or whether the nazis were philosophically Nietzscheans are two completely different arguments.

You people seem to have a major problem distinguishing between the man and the philosophy.