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[Anonymous No.13924237]

ITT: Philosophers who legitimately changed your life

[Anonymous No.13924240]

>>13924237

[Anonymous No.13924246]

>>13924240
fpbp

[Anonymous No.13924250]

>>13924240
>>13924246
underage b&

[Anonymous No.13924251]

[Anonymous No.13924255]

my man spinoza

he did nietzsche before nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13924278]

>>13924237
are you talking about Kant or Jacobi (the man actually depicted in the painting)?

[Anonymous No.13924322]

>>13924250
>waaaah he like philosopher that i dont like
Grow up, kid

[Anonymous No.13924344]

>>13924278
Stop being a faggot, you know who he meant

[Anonymous No.13924351]

>>13924237
Kant inspired me to treat people better.

[Anonymous No.13924356]

>>13924322
>Getting triggered by a 2 word post
Seethe

[Anonymous No.13924425]

>>13924255
I like Spinoza a lot but his inability to deal with the is-ought distinction causes a lot of problems

[Anonymous No.13924465]

>>13924425
imo it simply isn't really a problem for him because of the immanence of his criteria. he doesn't really give a moral ought as if its some sort of duty, but rather that you'd be a bit of an idiot not to because it'd be increasing your power of acting. it's not - "you OUGHT to do it" full stop but rather you probably ought to do it IF you do want to make a free man out of yourself. in fact the reason I like spinoza so much is that he completely departs from other moral philosophers in this regard, he's a man of ethics rather than morality. not a system of theological judgement but rather a guide on how to live your best life, how to make a free man out of yourself

[Anonymous No.13924493]

>>13924465
in a fact, in a letter from blyenburgh I believe he prods spinoza with regards to this and asks (i am paraphrasing) if it was in the nature of a man such that commiting crimes and other such "evils" would increase their power of acting, is this what he should do? and spinoza answers in the affirmative; if there really was a man of such a nature, he would be an idiot not to! spinoza completely devalues moral judgements in this manner so I think he eludes the is-ought distinction that others fall prey to

[Anonymous No.13924505]

>>13924237
Epicurus, partly by way of Nietzsche, Montaigne, Lucretius, and Stevens, in roughly that order of encounter.

[Anonymous No.13924510]

>>13924505
I think we are destined to meet and kill eachother one day

[Anonymous No.13924520]

Came to post the obvious

[Anonymous No.13924657]

>>13924237
The philosopher who weeps. Why must we be like the bow & the lyre?

[Anonymous No.13924817]

>>13924657
he cried because he realized that philosophy is for fucking nerds and that humanity was doomed to waste time on it for millennia to come

[Anonymous No.13924853]

>>13924657
Who?

[Anonymous No.13924947]

[Anonymous No.13924955]

>>13924237

[Anonymous No.13925087]

>>13924237
the only right answer

[Anonymous No.13925708]

Descartes made me question everything.

[Anonymous No.13925734]

>>13924237
Marx.

[Anonymous No.13925742]

>>13924955
This, followed by the retroaction.

[Anonymous No.13925758]

my man René

[Anonymous No.13925762]

>>13924520
Land?

[Anonymous No.13925806]

>>13924237
Seneca the Younger intensifies

[Anonymous No.13925829]

>>13925762
Yes

[Anonymous No.13925833]

>>13925758
fuck, ur gay for keeping pics of gaynon on ur desk lmao

[Anonymous No.13925834]

>>13924853
Heraclitoris

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13925838]

>>13924510
Why’s that?

[Anonymous No.13925839]

>>13924246
This is me except I dislike Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13925845]

>>13925758
I hate you so much. Holy mother of cringe.

You're the anon that started it all, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.13925876]

>>13924237
>Don't fear god,
>Don't worry about death;
>What is good is easy to get, and
>What is terrible is easy to endure.

[Anonymous No.13925890]

>>13925758
is that a rosary?

[Anonymous No.13925916]

>>13924240
Here’s the cringe right off the bat

[Anonymous No.13925942]

>>13924237
Also Wittgenstein.

[Anonymous No.13925962]

Reminder that

– Aristotle's Metaphysics
– Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
– Heidegger's Being and Time

are the most important philosophical works ever written and the only one's you should care about.

[Anonymous No.13925977]

>>13924255
>>13924465
damn i wonder if this guy has read deleuze...

[Anonymous No.13926141]

>>13924255
>Basic bitch Jewish liberalism

[Anonymous No.13926145]

I miss this lil nigga and his retroactive refutations like you wouldn't believe

[Anonymous No.13926158]

>>13924255
the favorite philosopher of the best philosophy professor in my department

I never read him though

[Anonymous No.13926465]

>>13924237
Spinoza, Wittgenstein & Deleuze

[Anonymous No.13926487]

>>13925845
no just a recent discovery, picked up La Crise du Monde Moderne at a flea market having heard Guénon mentioned here. Haven't looked back since, keep seething lol

[Anonymous No.13926494]

my man augustine

[Anonymous No.13926500]

>>13924237
None because I don't read philosophy, but Camus' Stranger struck a nerve along the lines of how I felt about everything.

[fuck thots No.13926664]

>>13926500
t. arthoe
fuck off back to R*ddit

[Anonymous No.13926675]

>>13926500
t. baby confused by nihilism the ultimate truth (not saying camus was nihilist but you come off that way to me)

[Anonymous No.13926732]

He transformed me into a depressed Marxist alcoholic. Lots of cultural products don't move me as much as they used to. Not sure if I recommend reading him.
>>13926500
Reading The Fall during high school made me much more empathetic and forgiving for some reason.

[Anonymous No.13926748]

my boy epic titus, of course

[Anonymous No.13926755]

>>13924465
>>13924493
>actually making good posts on nu-/lit/

Flee while you still can! This place will not increase your capacities to act!

[Anonymous No.13926849]

>>13924520
AAAAAAGGGH I CAN FEEL THE WORMS MOVING MOMMY DEATH UNIT I MUST KILL FOR THE AMPHETAMINES

[Anonymous No.13926879]

>>13924255
How do I into Spinoza? Just jump straight into the Ethics?

[Anonymous No.13926894]

>>13925962
Agreed, except that second one.

I think reading Heidegger was the biggest life changer for me, though Neech and Aristotle are close

[Anonymous No.13926937]

I don’t eat meat because of that absolute, disingenuous charlatan Peter Singer. Fucking dick.

[Anonymous No.13926942]

>>13926879
Yeah, he’s a pretty easy read. Just study up on what an ‘affectation’ is and you’re good to go

[Anonymous No.13926963]

Camus
Don’t @ me

[Anonymous No.13926970]

>>13924237
I just live for ecstasy, but it might be cause of self hatref

[Anonymous No.13926972]

>>13926937
Me too! Fucking piece of shit asshole philosopher can suck my dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.13926980]

>>13926879
im the guy who made the original post on spinoza

imo the easiest way through spinoza is to read aristotle's categories (very short read but make sure you understand because spinoza will put these categories to work), descartes meditations on first philosophy (also a short and easy read), and THEN you can go straight to spinozas ethics. spinoza either directly responds to descartes or makes use and modifies many of his ideas, so he is a necessary read beforehand imo. also, any translation is good for spinoza! there are about 4-5 good ones, including the very recent cambridge one. i like the curley translation personally

[Anonymous No.13927680]

>>13926980
Thanks anon. Will do. I’ve already read through the Organon, so I’ll make a quick review of that and start the Meditations.

[Anonymous No.13927703]

>>13926145
>guenonfag is a phoneposter
Is this the end of the arc?

[Anonymous No.13927768]

>>13924255
>he did nietzsche before nietzsche
The fuck is Nietzsche about him?

[Anonymous No.13927830]

David Hume, specifically enquiry concerning human understanding

Also the author of the Bhagavad Gita

[Anonymous No.13927842]

>>13924237
THEN WHO WAS OP

[Anonymous No.13927930]

>>13927768
the devaluation of consciousness in favour of the body

the devaluation of values, especially of good and evil, instead basing their system around power (beyond good and evil, at least, this does not mean beyond good and bad [good and bad being passages to higher and lower powers of acting])

hatred against resentment and the affirmation of joy and life. compare, for example, nietzsche's gay science, his eternal recurrence, and his critique of priests, compared to spinoza who constantly critiques sad passions, anyone who exploits sad passions, and anyone who needs these sad passions to establish their power. both denounce all that separate us from life.

in fact, here is a postcard from nietzsche himself -

“I am utterly amazed, utterly enchanted! I have a precursor, and what a precursor! I hardly knew Spinoza: that I should have turned to him just now, was inspired by “instinct.” Not only is his overtendency like mine—namely to make all knowledge the most powerful affect—but in five main points of his doctrine I recognize myself; this most unusual and loneliest thinker is closest to me precisely in these matters: he denies the freedom of the will, teleology, the moral world-order, the unegoistic, and evil. Even though the divergencies are admittedly tremendous, they are due more to the difference in time, culture, and science. In summa: my lonesomeness, which, as on very high mountains, often made it hard for me to breathe and make my blood rush out, is now at least a twosomeness. Strange! Incidentally, I am not at all as well as I had hoped. Exceptional weather here too! Eternal change of atmospheric conditions!—that will yet drive me out of Europe! I must have clear skies for months, else I get nowhere. Already six severe attacks of two or three days each!! — With affectionate love, Your friend”

>>13925977
you got me there, but deleuze's reading of spinoza is wholesome and fantastic. i dont really care for deleuze's other work at all but his work on spinoza is inspiring.

>>13926158
you should! he is fantastic. what uni are you at?

>>13926755
:) you are right, it won't. but if I can inspire others to read spinoza and to increase their power of acting, I will be happy with myself

[Anonymous No.13928001]

>>13924425
jesus western philosophy is cringe.

[Anonymous No.13928111]

>>13928001
As opposed to what philosophy exactly? PAJEET DRINK THE COW URINE "philo"sophy"? Or the Indian mystics imagining elaborate metaphysics out of their ass, I mean sacred songs composed by who knows when who knows where?

[Anonymous No.13928114]

>>13925758
cringe.jpg

[Anonymous No.13928149]

>>13927930
I agree with you, Deleuze is an excellent scholar. It's just funny because I was reading that book minutes before I read your post.

[Anonymous No.13928196]

>>13928111
The sublime reasoning and irreproachable dialectic of Advaita Vedanta crumples up into a ball and throws into the trashcan the simplistic pantheism of Spinoza

[Anonymous No.13928208]

>>13928149
its a fantastic little book right? i wish it got way more attention compared to his later works

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[Anonymous No.13929076]

>>13926500
Embarassing to admit but me too. Read it in French when I was a bit too young and really opened my eyes on stuff at the time.

[Anonymous No.13929120]

>>13927830
>specifically enquiry concerning human understanding
why

[Anonymous No.13929176]

>>13924237

[Anonymous No.13929223]

I can't stop reading Julius Evola.

[Anonymous No.13929520]

>>13928111
I feel sorry for you little existentialists

READ SHANKARA

[Anonymous No.13929569]

>>13929520
>duuude like reality isn't reel and shit lmao its just an illusion *hits bong*

[Anonymous No.13929607]

>>13929569
>*predicts quantum physics*

[Anonymous No.13929664]

>>13929607
quantum physics is all pseudo-scientific garbage anyway

[Anonymous No.13929850]

Unironically Stirner

[Anonymous No.13929902]

>>13929850
>things invented or propagated by individuals subvert individuality

[Anonymous No.13929939]

>>13926942
>>13926980
Isn't Spinoza's Theological-Political Treatise important?

[Anonymous No.13930086]

>>13924237
Northrop Frye for his books Fearful Symmetry, and Anatomy of Criticism

I don't read a lot of pure philosophy anymore. I prefer literary criticism.

[Anonymous No.13930106]

>>13925845
>an Anglo enters the thread

[Anonymous No.13930224]

>>13924237
Wittgenstein. Philosophical Investigations changed the way I think about language and arguments.

[Anonymous No.13930337]

>>13929850
>believing in god goes against your self-interest
retroactively btfo'd

[Anonymous No.13930508]

>>13924237
Nietzsche taught me to have some levity and drop all pretenses of guilt and regret

[Anonymous No.13930708]

>>13930508
this now I'm a homeless drug dealer but at least I'm free

[Anonymous No.13930805]

>>13930337
get his incurvatus in se ass

[Anonymous No.13930811]

>>13924947
>>13924955
You guys posted the same Philosopher though!

[Anonymous No.13930831]

This guy

[Anonymous No.13930862]

>>13924237
I saw this stone face materialize in my physical eyes as I woke up from a nightmare.

About a year later, I realized it was his face when I was reading his last day dialogue and I had reached Phaedo.

[Anonymous No.13930868]

>>13924955
Was Whitehead a coomer?

[Anonymous No.13930906]

[Anonymous No.13930909]

>>13930868
sort of

[Anonymous No.13931044]

>>13926748
:)

[Anonymous No.13931065]

>>13930906
curt go home

[Anonymous No.13931841]

>>13924237
That's sad if true.

[Anonymous No.13931930]

>>13924947
Daily reminder

[Anonymous No.13932002]

[Anonymous No.13932739]

>>13924237
Caesar Hidalgo

[Anonymous No.13932870]

>>13925708
But not your own thinking, right?

[Anonymous No.13932924]

>>13926937
>>13926972
>I don’t eat meat because of that absolute, disingenuous charlatan Peter Singer.
What's the problem with him?

[Anonymous No.13932978]

>>13931930
was it autism

[Anonymous No.13932985]

>>13932978
Dude can't make a joke.

[Anonymous No.13932994]

>107 replies in
>no zizek
>no baudrillard
for the love of God people, how did this happen

>>13926732
based

[Anonymous No.13932996]

>>13924237
Friedrich Nietzsche, Michel Foucault, Gilles Deleuze & Martin Heidegger

pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.13933180]

>>13932994
>le sniff man

[Anonymous No.13933186]

>>13932994
how did zizek change your life?

[Anonymous No.13933236]

[Anonymous No.13933433]

[Anonymous No.13933586]

>>13933180
>>13933186
>le "popular therefore bad" meme

>how did zizek change your life?
He first exposed me to Lacan. Further, interpassivity is generally everywhere and noticing that will seriously change that way you view art and the entertainment matrix. His critique of ideology is essential as well.

[Anonymous No.13933620]

>>13924520
Did he make you go insane too?

[Anonymous No.13933646]

[Anonymous No.13933687]

>>13933586
Could you expand on interpassivity, do you find yourself acting in an interpassive way? Sorry I'm not familiar but I am curious.

[Anonymous No.13933692]

>>13933646
cringe or based if ironic

[Anonymous No.13933756]

>>13933687
In broad terms, interpassivity denotes the notion that at certain instances, cultural phenomena can provide their own reception. In his book 'How to Read Lacan', Zizek provides, among others, these two examples:

"In some societies, the same role is played by so-called ‘weepers’ (women hired to cry at funerals): they can perform the spectacle of mourning for the relatives of the deceased, who can devote their time to more profitable endeavours (like dividing the inheritance). Something similar happens with the prayer wheels of Tibet: I attach a piece of paper with the prayer written on it to the wheel, turn it around mechanically (or, even more practically, let the wind or water turn it round), and the wheel is praying for me – as the Stalinists would have put it, ‘objectively’ I am praying, even if my thoughts are occupied with the most obscene sexual fantasies."

Or further:

"think about the canned laughter on a TV show, when the reaction of laughter to a comic scene is included in the soundtrack itself. Even if I do not laugh, but simply stare at the screen, tired after a hard day’s work, I nonetheless feel relieved after the show, as if the soundtrack has done the laughing for me."

As in my own life, I like to watch Star Trek with my dad (I know, I know). We're currently watching voyager and there's this thing that keeps happening. Whenever something important happens, there's usually a close-up on Captain Janeway displaying a certain emotion via her expression. On first glance, one might think that this is only there to underscore the emotional gravity of the situation. However, the fact that the event is perceived and reacted to by a character takes away the 'responsibility' of reacting myself; the show has taken over the burden of experiencing an emotional response off my back without diminishing the impact or message.

I think that's also where the appeal of reaction videos stems from. Even the menial act of watching a YouTube video is made even more trivial, since you yourself do not need to have a reaction to it.

[Anonymous No.13933809]

>>13924246
this quote isn´t by nietzsche btw

[Anonymous No.13933818]

None really. Nietzsche, Plato, and Wittgenstein the most. Although, I do enjoy the Kierkegaard and Montaigne that I've read. Fiction has changed my life more though. Homer, Melville, Dostoevsky, and Salinger have been the most influential in that regard.

[Anonymous No.13933839]

[Anonymous No.13933857]

>>13930868
Take the mind of a mathematician and the heart of a poet and you get someone like Whitehead. His philosophy is an investigation into the composition of his soul. I love him like a grandfather.

[Anonymous No.13933892]

It's funny, but all these things with Nietzsche being about affirmation of life sounds a lot like Dostoyevsky. Dosto after all says "If you're happy, you're doing God's will upon the earth", and what he expounds in The Brothers Karamazov is that reality is already the Garden of Eden and you should just accept that God's creation is perfect. Yet, Nietzsche has such disdain for Christianity.

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[Anonymous No.13934029]

>>13933839
Calling George Carlin a philosopher is based. It is very philosophically healthy to include as much as possible into what considers "philosophy." To me philosophy is involved with all experiences. Philosophy is all about exploring the unknown of human dreams, ideas, and experiences, and such journeys always begin with inspiration.

[Anonymous No.13934049]

>>13925758
Based. For me it's Coomaraswamy though.

[Anonymous No.13934059]

I'm not even Guenonfag