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[Anonymous No.13901061]

>"Nietzsche and Stirner were right about everything!"
>I agree, and I have now decided to value certain races above others
>"w-wait, n-no--"
>I will also rape who I please, take what I wish, and act always in my own interest
>"y-you can't d-do THAT--i-it's illegal!"
>I have no care what society and its arbitrary values are. all that matters is if my will is superior to its will
>"b-but you'll go to prison if you try to act like that!"
>no, I will politely put an end to myself before being captured
>"b-but t-then you'll be dead!"
>yes, and? did not Nietzsche reassure us that there is nothing after this life and that the soul is dead before the body? so then I leave after having my fill, enjoying all the pleasures and circumventing any retribution for my actions
Explain how I am in the wrong. Am I the only one who is actually willing to live by the truth of Nietzsche's claims?

[Anonymous No.13901075]

Read Zarathustra and "on the pale criminal" specifically, nitwit.

[Anonymous No.13901086]

>>13901061
you're following the logical conclusion of nihilism but good luck getting support from dishonest pseudos.

[Anonymous No.13901089]

>>13901075
high IQ

Fucking amerimutt Nietzsche fanboys need to fucking hang

[Anonymous No.13901101]

>>13901061
BASED
go party with the judge

[Anonymous No.13901103]

>>13901061
Sometimes I too make up scenarios in my head where I am the superior

[Anonymous No.13901107]

>>13901075
what is the relevance of 'on the pale criminal' to OP's post

[Anonymous No.13901123]

>>13901061
>Am I the only one who is actually willing to live by the truth of Nietzsche's claims?

By what? Shitposting and pretending to be an edgy fedora teen?
You're not actually doing any of that shit, you're just some incel christcuck who can't imagine a life without an internalized authority figure

>Rape! Plunder! Be a psycho! That's what real life and freedom is all about!
Fucking moron

[Anonymous No.13901134]

>>13901123
>>Rape! Plunder! Be a psycho! That's what real life and freedom is all about!
If someone feels like it then how would it go against what Nietzsche wrote?

[Anonymous No.13901140]

>>13901134
Grow up

[Anonymous No.13901142]

>>13901134
>slavery to your base appetites is what Nietzsche advocated

Philosophy should have an age limit like alcohol

[Anonymous No.13901150]

>>13901140
>>13901142
Im not talking about myself. Like some psychopath who just likes torturing and killing people, he was just born that way, how is he wrong to just go ahead and exert his will in the way he sees fit?

[Anonymous No.13901157]

>>13901134
You are correct. At the same time you should be hanged.

[Anonymous No.13901165]

>>13901061
You're not wrong. You're just an ugly brute.

[Anonymous No.13901169]

>>13901107
Blutlust is not overcoming, and neither is petty crime.

[Anonymous No.13901181]

>>13901169
What is overcoming?

[Anonymous No.13901186]

>>13901181
Read the book faggot

[Anonymous No.13901195]

>>13901181
Or try C&P if you can't handle non fiction

[Anonymous No.13901197]

>>13901186
You could explain the idea as you understand it, since it's a thread about Nietzsche. When people ask me questions in threads about writers I know well I don't respond with random hostility, I just explain what I think.

[Anonymous No.13901215]

>>13901150
You are precisely not talking about yourself. You are not talking about anything real. You are simply repeating the moralist's strawman response to Nietzsche for the millionth time.
Maybe instead try with a serious starting point and think about what YOU would actually do if you weren't scared of your own conditioning

[Anonymous No.13901216]

>>13901215
It's not a strawman, I genuinely don't see how murder is wrong if you go beyond all conventional morality.

[Anonymous No.13901217]

>>13901197
and you could actually start reading Nietzsche instead of posting ill-informed threads here

[Anonymous No.13901218]

>>13901150
right, wrong, who cares. But it would be in the interest of his victims and perhaps society at large to oppose his will, would it not?

[Anonymous No.13901225]

>>13901216
Obviously it's not. Murder is not even wrong now, as long as it is 'legitimate', just, and state sponsored. Murder has always been legitimate with the right rationale, Christians kill heathens, Muslims infidels, the Nation traitors, the State criminals, etc

[Anonymous No.13901228]

>>13901061
You posted this EXACT thread before and got lots of responses. Try reading Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13901230]

>>13901061
You don't stop at overcoming society's rules and reject slave morality just to go for the lowest hanging fruits of nihilistic hedonism. Sure there's nothing -wrong- with it but they never intended to argue for that. You'd just be a slave to base desires bound to different rules and morality.

[Anonymous No.13901234]

>>13901061
Actually read Nietzsche you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.13901246]

>>13901061
Even if you reach those conclusions anon, even if that's the path you deserve in life you shouldn't worry so much about what you desire and more about how you desire and why.

Is in the understanding of your own motivations and reasoning were the true value of the humanistic principle lies.

[Anonymous No.13901247]

>>13901075
OP isn't wrong though. Nietzsche:

>"The will to power" is so hated in democratic ages that their entire psychology seems directed toward belittling and defaming it. The type of the great ambitious man who thirsts after honor is supposed to be Napoleon! And Caesar! And Alexander!—As if these were not precisely the great despisers of honor! And Helvetius demonstrates to us that men strive after power so as to possess the enjoyments available to the powerful: he understands this striving for power as will to enjoyment! as hedonism!

>In fact, man does not want "happiness." Pleasure is a feeling of power: if one excludes the affects, then one excludes the states that give the highest feeling of power, consequently of pleasure. The highest rationality is a cold, clear state very far from giving that feeling of happiness that intoxication of any kind brings with it— The philosophers of antiquity combat everything that intoxicates—that impairs the absolute coldness and neutrality of the consciousness— They were consistent with their false presupposition: that consciousness is the exalted, the supreme state, the precondition of perfection—whereas the opposite is true—

Nietzsche was very interested in making mankind more evil. His mission later in life was combating every means by which Christians lauded goodness over evil.

[Anonymous No.13901281]

>>13901061
They dont tell you do not do those things and judge people based around race if you feel like to.
They just say that there is no real imperative around it and in fact judging people around race or nationality is something that plebs normally do and a real leader with will to power doesnt restrict himself with things like nationality and race.

>I will also rape who I please, take what I wish, and act always in my own interest
You can already do this whenever you want, just dont try to get caught by the authority.
>I have no care what society and its arbitrary values are. all that matters is if my will is superior to its will
Yes they affirm that many times.
>no, I will politely put an end to myself before being captured
>yes, and? did not Nietzsche reassure us that there is nothing after this life and that the soul is dead before the body? so then I leave after having my fill, enjoying all the pleasures and circumventing any retribution for my actions
They dont tell you to do otherwise, if your will is to self destruct then go kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.13901290]

>>13901103
Heh, me too.

[Anonymous No.13901303]

>>13901247
>Nietzsche was very interested in making mankind more evil.
Kinda in certain way, but his works are more directed at those who aspire to be future philosophers or leaders.

[Anonymous No.13901304]

>>13901247
No, he didn't, he said that ubermensch should be a Caesar with a heart of Christ

[Anonymous No.13901347]

>>13901303
Yes, basically. "Mankind" as in the highest individuals, not anyone else; he thought that different classes in the future order of rank of the world should have different ideologies taught to them as was fitting for the quantum of power they are.

He considered the following as an inevitability and supported accelerating its development: Europe's many cultures would synthesize towards a single higher culture; this higher culture would want, more than anything else, to create a lower culture, and create a gulf between the strong and the weak vaster than any other gulf ever seen in history prior.

>>13901304
Yes, he did. Evil is fundamental to Nietzsche's "grand economy" and he considered his age lacking in it. The overman is a greatly evil person.

[Anonymous No.13901359]

You're not wrong. No one who understands nietzsche talks like this. You've made a strawman.

[Anonymous No.13901382]

You're definitely not in the wrong.
Anyone who says otherwise should go and try to actually read Nietzsche again. He justifies criminal activity quite a lot and even goes as far as saying that among criminals there are some of the best men in society.

[Anonymous No.13901388]

NOOOOO THATS ILLEGAL!! READ KANT!!

[Anonymous No.13901407]

>>13901388
Based

[Anonymous No.13901411]

>>13901089
He would laugh at your obsessed slave morality

[Anonymous No.13901429]

>>13901061
Stirner's philosophy doesnt say that you shouldnt do a thing because it implies race aswell crime or raping. He simply says that there is no real truth value or imperative for it. But if you try to create a rule over yourself like "i will only take care of white people" is spooking yourself with a imperative that is by defenition not always in your self interest.

Nietzche on the other hand is more complex and delicate, while he doesnt deny things like killing or raping. He looks down on racism and nationalism since they are really things that a true leader and would obey.

>>13901382
Yeah he is just trying to shock people. But he wrong on the race and hedonism. Nietzsche also looks down on viewing life in matters pleasure vs pain. And living just for pleasure instead of inspiring or creating something greater is quite weak.

[Anonymous No.13901432]

>>13901247
>Nietzsche was very interested in making mankind more evil

This is just more of the same hypocrisy that Nietzsche scorns and ridicules. There is no evil
And there is no so-called evil that the advocates of 'virtue' and 'good' have not been foremost in indulging.
Christians have never been shy of ambition, murder, rape, plunder, or any other kind of savagery to sate their own heart's avarice and bloodlust, while they falsely decry their good and virtuous intentions and use made up stories of saints to exemplify them
The core notion is not that so-called evil acts should be indulged in, it is to do away with hypocrisy

[Anonymous No.13901457]

>>13901432
He knows that, he is just speaking using that word in the general term that people take for it.

[Anonymous No.13901460]

>>13901432
What an idiotic point to make. Of course a religion of 2000 years will include many wicked men.

[Anonymous No.13901461]

>>13901429
>And living just for pleasure instead of inspiring or creating something greater is quite weak
sounds spooky

[Anonymous No.13901467]

>>13901230
Indeed. Pseuds you'll cowards don't even comprehend nuance.

[Anonymous No.13901468]

>>13901061

[Anonymous No.13901488]

>>13901429
Problem is that Nietzsche’s idea of a great life is just Kraut romanticism watered down through the mind of a philistine who considered Poe and Byron to be great artists. The idea that a clown like Cesare Borgia or Napoleon represents the pinnacle of humanity is hilarious

[Anonymous No.13901509]

>>13901460
Quit being an apologist hypocrite

[Anonymous No.13901511]

>>13901488
Why do you consider those two "clowns" ?

[Anonymous No.13901513]

>>13901509
Quit being an absolute moron who thinks in simple platitudes.

[Anonymous No.13901514]

>>13901488
He lived closer to Napoleon's time anon, consider that Napoleon liberated half the world including the american colonies and collapsed the Spanish empire and began the trend that collapsed the British empire, two of the greatest things done by men.

[Anonymous No.13901521]

>>13901432
>There is no evil
What I mean by making mankind more evil is making mankind more of what the Christian would call evil and doesn't want, obviously.

I would say that it's not just about getting rid of Christian-made hypocrisy. More importantly, it's to realize that great vices come with great virtues and that both virtues and vices are necessary for greatness. And the individuals who have understood this best, the greatest men, were always as full of vices as they were of virtues.

>Whether one does not have the right to account all great men evil? This cannot be shown in a pure state in all individual cases. Often they have been capable of masterly dissimulation and assumed the outward forms and gestures of great virtues. Often they honored virtue seriously and with a passionate hardness against themselves, but out of cruelty: seen from a distance, this is deceptive. Many misunderstood themselves; not infrequently a great task calls forth great qualities, e.g., justice. The essential point is: the greatest perhaps also possess great virtues, but in that case also their opposites. I believe that it is precisely through the presence of opposites and the feelings they occasion that the great man, the bow with the great tension, develops.

[Anonymous No.13901545]

>>13901511
Because their lives were basically childish pursuits of pleasure less than that obtained by consuming a redbull or playing sports. They wanted the feeling of winning and domination and power, so they squandered countless lives playing a simpler version of chess.
>>13901514
Napoleon accomplished nothing permanent

[Anonymous No.13901553]

>>13901545
I don't see the king of Spain around so for me that counts as permanent.

[Anonymous No.13901557]

>>13901061
Low iq

[Anonymous No.13901560]

>>13901217
or maybe you understand your shitty understanding of the subject and are to scared to voice it out of fear that in a thread where we discuss our interpretations of an author yours is very limited despite your proclivity to talk shit to people only wanting to learn talk shit

[Anonymous No.13901563]

>>13901557
It's brilliant bait anon.

[Anonymous No.13901565]

>>13901429
>He looks down on racism and nationalism

that´s a little cringe coming from him, no wonder the establishment was quickly to adopted him

[Anonymous No.13901569]

>>13901488
Nietzsche considered romanticism a combination of Christianity's and Rousseau's ideals. He wrote quite a bit against it.

>>13901545
Christianity is just the hedonism of the weary as far as we're concerned. All you're doing is mocking the hedonism of the non-weary.

[Anonymous No.13901582]

>>13901461
cause it is

[Anonymous No.13901587]

>>13901488
If thats your opinion on it. But most of those people were considered great even before romanticism was thing.
Napoleon at his early 20s was already the best general in alive that single handed defeated the austrian empire and made a whole new style of warfare. Not to mention he also destroyed the spanish empire, dissolved the Holy Roman Empire and literally ruled france in the same way as before the revolution without giving a shit that the population was capable of. He simply did what he wanted.

>>13901545
Why do you consider them childish? If Napoleon only cared about pleasure he would have stayed as just a general and denegrate his life.
>They wanted the feeling of winning and domination and power, so they squandered countless lives playing a simpler version of chess.
Yeah and thats what Nietzsche praises him for.
>Napoleon accomplished nothing permanent
Nietzsche also doesnt tell you to strive for what is premanent, he in fact tells you that nothing is permanent and neither should be values or morals. And the fact that nothing is permanent is the reason why you should strive to do the things that you want.
But either way Napoleons feats changed the course of history forever more than most wars in the last centuries.

[Anonymous No.13901604]

>>13901569
yet still fell victim to its jaws of delusion

[Anonymous No.13901608]

>>13901604
You'll have to explain, because I don't see it.

[Anonymous No.13901623]

>>13901061
>"I'm gonna rape someone and then shoot myself before the cops arrive!"
Wow very intelligent view Mr. Philosopher

[Anonymous No.13901635]

>>13901623
This, Nietzsche advocated being evil, not being fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.13901667]

>>13901061
Our society says you are "not sane" so I say go head and just be another psychopath in this world, don't use the information to be a "better" person, go mad and crazy like some kind of sick fuck cause you can't handle the world as it is like a big boy.

[Anonymous No.13901672]

>>13901569
It doesn’t matter what he considered them. He fell right into romanticism, for his great man is nothing but a shabbier version of Carlyle’s with a few anti-Christian gimmicks stapled on.
>the hedonism of the weary
Again, it’s just more of the same middle school trick of thinking anything that sounds cynical enough is sound and accurate. Complete misunderstanding of Christianity filtered through the lense of a power-hedonist. At least whenBlake did it it was interesting because he perveived the whole range of paradoxes and the meeting if contradictions in christianity vs hedonism. For the simple German this was too much.
>>13901587
Why does it matter when romanticism took place? What is your point?

Rest of your post is puerile shit, I don’t care what Nietzsche thought. And I don’t mean literally permanent you moron.

[Anonymous No.13901682]

>>13901672
>his great man is nothing but a shabbier version of Carlyle’s with a few anti-Christian gimmicks stapled on.
You obviously haven't read shit. Nietzsche's overman isn't just an ideal, it's a biological imperative.

[Anonymous No.13901691]

>>13901061
Nietzsche hated nihilism retard

[Anonymous No.13901713]

>>13901682
Every one of you illiterate idiots always says “you just haven’t read my god nietzsche” You’re as predictable as he is.

Of course it was biological, he was a 19th century man with views typical of that age, including physiognomy-stock determinism. Literally every man in those days was considered biologically what he was, your statement is meaningless.

Of course Nietzsche, being a clumsy German ass, overreached himself and announced that 18th century morals were themselves a biological effect.

[Anonymous No.13901741]

>>13901672
>Why does it matter when romanticism took place? What is your point?
Because thats what you were talking about. Those people were already held to be great people even before Romanticism was a movement.

>Rest of your post is puerile shit, I don’t care what Nietzsche thought.
Then whats the fucking point of your stupid reasoning? I gave you history lesson on why Napoleon made great feats and why his instincts and mentality that is also shared along many other great people is what Nietzsche values the most.

>And I don’t mean literally permanent you moron.
If its not meant then dont use the word you fucking moron, do i look like a fucking wizard that reads your mind? If you dont like his opinions and takes then so be it, now dont come at people with overly vague shit claims and get mad when people dont share the same thoughts or debunk what you've said.

>>13901713
>Every one of you illiterate idiots always says “you just haven’t read my god nietzsche” You’re as predictable as he is.
They say it because you havent indeed read any of his works or any philosophical works after him. The rest of your post is just pure horseshit that doesnt even deserve to be picked on.

[Anonymous No.13901752]

>>13901713
>everyone tells me I haven't read Nietzsche
Consider reading Nietzsche or refraining from posting in threads about philosophers whose ideas you've failed to grasp to change that.

[Anonymous No.13901764]

>>13901061
>I will also rape who I please, take what I wish, and act always in my own interest

Then act on your interest, society is based on the assumption that most people will be scared of going to prison or dying, doing what you want and justifying what you're doing with "I can and I want to do it so I will do it" is exactly what a psychopathic asshole would do

[Anonymous No.13901798]

>>13901741
>Because thats what you were talking about. Those people were already held to be great people even before Romanticism was a moveme
The "Great Man" idea of Napoleon didn't emerge until after German romanticism. This is the idea that influenced and shaped the Ubermensch of Nietszche. How could you pretend to discuss while being ignorant of such a basic thing?
> I gave you history lesson on why Napoleon made great feats
He performed them. And you can't even prove that he was more important than FDR.
>hey say it because you havent indeed read any of his works or any philosophical works after him. The rest of your post is just pure horseshi
Again, his fans all say this, but none of them know where he got his refutation of the Cartesian subject or his views on the Aryan race. Do you?
I don't think this simple clown does either>>13901752
When you say "read him" what you mean is, "interpret him according to my own abysmal ignorance." If not, you should easily be able to answer these two questions. You can, can't you?

[Anonymous No.13901804]

Despite OP being an absolute brainlet, the argument against OP are equally braindead.

>No-nooo you cannot do that, it's not right!!
lmao, this is neo-/lit/

[Anonymous No.13901808]

>>13901804
Yeah it’s shit

[Anonymous No.13901823]

>>13901798
Carlyle's interpretation of Napoleon or great men has little to do with Nietzsche's. Where does Carlyle ever make this observation or theorization?

>Order of rank:— What is mediocre in the typical man? That he does not understand the necessity for the reverse side of things: that he combats evils as if one could dispense with them; that he will not take the one with the other—that he wants to erase and extinguish the typical character of a thing, a condition, an age, a person, approving of only one part of their qualities and wishing to abolish the others. The "desirability" of the mediocre is what we others combat: the ideal conceived as something in which nothing harmful, evil, dangerous, questionable, destructive would remain. Our insight is the opposite of this: that with every growth of man, his other side must grow too; that the highest man, if such a concept be allowed, would be the man who represented the antithetical character of existence most strongly, as its glory and sole justification.

>In contrast to the animals, man has cultivated an abundance of contrary drives and impulses within himself; thanks to this synthesis, he is master of the earth.— Moralities are the expression of locally limited orders of rank in his multifarious world of drives, so man should not perish through their contradictions. Thus a drive as master, its opposite weakened, refined, as the impulse that provides the stimulus for the activity of the chief drive. The highest man would have the greatest multiplicity of drives, in the relatively greatest strength that can be endured.

[Anonymous No.13901865]

>>13901798
>The "Great Man" idea of Napoleon didn't emerge until after German romanticism. This is the idea that influenced and shaped the Ubermensch of Nietszche. How could you pretend to discuss while being ignorant of such a basic thing?
And is Napoleon the only person Nietzsche praises you fucking moron? He praises way more great people that were alive even before that.
>He performed them. And you can't even prove that he was more important than FDR.
Thats just opinions senpai, most of that fdr did any other US president could do imo.
>Again, his fans all say this, but none of them know where he got his refutation of the Cartesian subject or his views on the Aryan race. Do you?
I honestly dont know all of Nietzsche's influences or which ideas he picked and expanded on but that doesnt change the point of any of the people that rightfully say that you or other people havent read his books because it shows it, and the fact that you havent also acknowledged that you've read his works also proves it.
>When you say "read him" what you mean is, "interpret him according to my own abysmal ignorance."
The only person here showing ignorance is you for dragging this shit fest that you know you dont know nothing about for so long. All you can say back is "Yep all you people Nietzche fans say is that i need to read his works lmao" when its so obviously painful that you truly havent and dont consider the fact that its mostly the people who show that they dont nothing about him that try to attack him the most.

[Anonymous No.13901873]

>>13901823
Carlyle never heard of Nietzsche and all that can be be found in de Sade, Blake, etc, it’s pure Romanticism and one of the oldest platitudes

[Anonymous No.13901880]

>>13901873
>it’s pure Romanticism
I asked the other poster how and he never answered. You want to try explaining how Nietzsche was a Romantic or what the point of calling him as such even is?

[Anonymous No.13901889]

>>13901880
How is it not obvious

[Anonymous No.13901918]

>>13901889
The only thing that's obvious so far is that you have nothing of substance to offer.

Also, I don't see how his model of the modern individual and the higher man is "one of the oldest platitudes." If anything, it's the synthesis of the Greeks that never arrived, because cultures age and aren't permitted to stay youthful forever. It's not idealist, like the Romantics, but realist, like the Sophists. The universe aims to create the overman.

[Anonymous No.13902031]

you are clearly missing his point. his work has intentions of making yourself better, and argues against taking nihilism and lack of morals as justification to do retarded shit.
that idea you are trying to use as argument is already critcized as using nihilism to justify your actions.

>yes, and? did not Nietzsche reassure us that there is nothing after this life and that the soul is dead before the body? so then I leave after having my fill, enjoying all the pleasures and circumventing any retribution for my actions

his work is life affirming, suicide isn't considered an option even after "having your fill", which is unlikely, since a desire is not only the desire itself, but also the desire TO desire. desire moves you, that's why you are never completely filled.

[Anonymous No.13902081]

>>13902031
same poster, just wanted to add a statement of Nietzsche to his own sister in a letter:

"I've seen proof, black on white, that Herr Dr. Förster has not yet severed his connection with the anti-Semitic movement ... Since then I've had difficulty coming up with any of the tenderness and protectiveness I've so long felt toward you. The separation between us is thereby decided in really the most absurd way. Have you grasped nothing of the reason why I am in the world? ... Now it has gone so far that I have to defend myself hand and foot against people who confuse me with these anti-Semitic canaille; after my own sister, my former sister, and after Widemann more recently have given the impetus to this most dire of all confusions. After I read the name Zarathustra in the anti-Semitic Correspondence my forbearance came to an end. I am now in a position of emergency defense against your spouse's Party. These accursed anti-Semite deformities shall not sully my ideal!!"
Lack of inherent morals doesn't mean he will defend actions he disagrees with. It isn't a decent justification, as you can clearly see.

it's been more than 100 years of misinterpretation, don't make it longer.

[Anonymous No.13902106]

>>13902081
Nietzsche was profoundly racist

[Anonymous No.13902130]

>>13901918
The dude read Emerson and adopted many of his blatantly romantic and idealism based ideals of individualism outright (which in turn was heavily influenced by Carlyle); this is one of the most well-documented things about Nietzsche's influences that he himself addressed. Stop being a fucking sperg.

[Anonymous No.13902142]

>>13902106
i'm not even going to waste my time trying to show you the huge amount of parts that prove otherwise. if that is your point, then he is racist against almost every fucking thing. that doesn't mean he doesn't have possible personal problems with things, but it isn't used as his argument.

[Anonymous No.13902186]

>>13902142
He literally believes in superior and inferior races. Not being anti-semitic doesn’t make one not racist.

[Anonymous No.13902274]

>>13902106
Literally the opposite is true, especially for his time. How you can take this from Nietzsche is proof that you either didn't read or didn't comprehend his ideas.

[Anonymous No.13902291]

>>13902186
even the shit he said about Jews was racist, it was just a different sort of racism than antisemites usually go in for

[Anonymous No.13902296]

>>13902186
"to have nothing to do with anyone involved in the perfidious race-fraud"

yeah, literally.

[Anonymous No.13902300]

>>13902291
at this point I think it's bait, so i'll stop feeding it.

[Anonymous No.13902352]

>>13901142
so, freedom over your base appetites is what Nietzsche wrote... meaning, if you succumbed to your desires then you aren't free... truly free... meaning... in order to be truly free you must dominate your most basic desires... meaning you must ascend from your animal condition. In order to be free to choose out of your own volition, you must transcend your mortal coil.
Either you didn't understand what Nietzsche wrote... or he was contradicting himself half the time he opened his mouth.

[Anonymous No.13902392]

>>13901217
>read the book fag
not the anon you're responding to but cunts like you are one of few cancers in this board that need to be chemoed fast

[Anonymous No.13902419]

>>13902392
>telling people on /lit/ to read a book is cancer
no anon it was you all along

[Anonymous No.13902514]

>>13901304
>you must forge your own destiny
>b-but y-you must also live up to a syphilitic morons ideals

[Anonymous No.13902557]

>>13901388
>illegal
You mean pointless; to become a quality test for the righteousness of the rest of mankind; to deny oneself self actualization and to become an unwanted tool.

[Anonymous No.13902566]

>>13902514
well you could probably try to deconstruct what he imagined as the perfect human being that is in control of his primitive desires, but the whole caesar/machiavelli/jesus combo follows explicitly from his supposition that the will to power is the only thing that transcends primitive animalistic desires and that things like altruism and ambition are a direct expression of this

but then you can also argue that will to power simply means that you want to discover the meaning of your life but only you can give your own life meaning since there is no god to do it for you, therefore you are a retard for thinking that nietzsche explicitly tried to tell people they need to be like caesar

[Anonymous No.13902587]

>>13901247
>evil
nice spook

[Anonymous No.13902601]

>>13902392
Why are you so eager to talk about a book you haven't read?

[Anonymous No.13902689]

>>13902296
>>13902300
He said the Jewish race was superior to the Germans, and the Poles as well, because of blood. He said the English were not a race of philosophers.

He also says Jews cannot be aristocrats because they don’t have the right blood. I can’t believe how ignorant you guys are.

[Anonymous No.13902820]

>>13902689
>said the Jewish race was superior to the Germans, and the Poles as well, because of blood
What did he mean by that?

[Anonymous No.13902896]

>>13902130
>he read Emerson who read Carlyle so their ideas are essentially the same and they had the same goals
>Stop being a fucking sperg.
You first, retard.

[Anonymous No.13903852]

>>"Nietzsche and Stirner were right about everything!"
Stirner was. Nietzsche's prescription of the will to power was an assertion too narrow.
>>I agree, and I have now decided to value certain races above others
>>"w-wait, n-no--"
Go right ahead. Others are free to do the opposite if they wish, insofar as they have the power to do so.
>>"y-you can't d-do THAT--i-it's illegal!"
Law and morals are spooks. Stirner was clear on this.
>>"b-but you'll go to prison if you try to act like that!"
You likely will if caught
>>"b-but t-then you'll be dead!"
Your choice

Retarded post TBQH

[Anonymous No.13904052]

>>13901545
>Napoleon accomplished nothing permanent
He liberated the jews of Europe. Opened the Pandora's box...

[Anonymous No.13904078]

>>13902689
> Jews cannot be aristocrats because they don’t have the right blood. I can't
Correct.

[Anonymous No.13904700]

>>13901142
How can you be a slave to yourself? Makes no sense.

Nietzsche considered what you just said as slave morality. In Will to Power, he says that experiencing the multiplicity of drives one house's in oneself conflicting with one another as a painful experience that ought to be suppressed is for the weary slave. The higher man experiences such "torments" as a stimulus for life. The Dionysian ideal is to live for your desires, all of them, not to suppress them.

[Anonymous No.13904880]

>>13901509
>religion that has shaped man's history and has been around for hundreds of years has done some bad things because its followers were humans
Gee whiz, it's almost like human beings aren't perfect and religion, just like just about anything else, can be either ignored or (wrongfully) twisted to justify bad deeds.

[Anonymous No.13906124]

>>13901865
>And is Napoleon the only person Nietzsche praises you fucking moron? He praises way more great people that were alive
Mentioned them already, clown.
>most of that fdr did any other US president could do imo
And yet the effects lasted longer than napoleon
>rightfully say that you or other people havent read his books because it shows it, and the fact that you havent also acknowledged that you've read his works also proves it.
"You haven't read his works" is what everyone says to everyone else about Nietzsche because most people aren't fit to actually comprehend his works. You for instance, don't even know about the passages where he explicitly mentions Carlyle or quote Lichtenberg.
>hen its so obviously painful that you truly havent an
Again, you can't even reference the appropriate passages because you either haven't read him or have only read him poorly

[Anonymous No.13906231]

>>13906124
>Mentioned them already, clown.
If you have mentioned them already then why the fuck are you implying this to me?!
>bro you cant even give me the passages where he talks about X and Y
Why the fuck would i remember those quotes in specific or know who is he mentioning specially from books that i've read 1-2 years ago? What the fuck does have to do with what we are talking about you moron? What would knowing that even change the understanding of his philosophy?
"Wow bro did you know where is the quote that Nietzsche talks about women in the kitchen bro? Thats what i thought, you dont know nothing about his works"
I honestly dont even know why im still checking this thread or bothering to reply to you, blockhead.

[Anonymous No.13906289]

>>13906231
>Why the fuck would i remember those quotes
Why would you remember having read Nietzche? Idk lol. I never asked you where, I asked you if you had read them and you had no knowledge o fthem

[Anonymous No.13906361]

>>13901061
you're not wrong but you haven't comprehended the nature of this psychic battleground we stand on. words are tools and no one is sincere. people don't care if you're right or wrong, they only wish to recruit and control you for their own ends.

[Anonymous No.13906468]

>>13903852
literally the only post necessary in this thread.

[Anonymous No.13906518]

>>13901061

Nietzsche is not right, but he is entertaining for those people too shallow/unintelligent/cowardly to realize that there is both objective truth and objective morality.
You could probably find more profound insights in Calvin and Hobbes desu

[Anonymous No.13906526]

>>13906518
>Nietzsche is not right
Why has no one demonstrated how he is wrong yet, then?

[Anonymous No.13906586]

>>13906526

"One of
the dominant messages of The Selfish Gene (reinforced by the title
essay of A Devil's Chaplain) is that we should not derive our values
from Darwinism, unless it is with a negative sign. Our brains have
evolved to the point where we are capable of rebelling against our
selfish genes. The fact that we can do so is made obvious by our use of
contraceptives)"

[Anonymous No.13906650]

>>13906586
That's quite a load of shit you posted, but I'm not sure how it relates to Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13906700]

>>13906526
He never held a solid position to begin with. He is on the fence with everything

[Anonymous No.13906716]

>>13906518
shomi then cuck

[Anonymous No.13906742]

>>13906650

If you fail to see how it is related to Nietzsche, then you should probably start reading him.

[Anonymous No.13906793]

>>13906586
>The Selfish Gene
>Nietzsche derives his values from darwinism
Nietzsche's values arent around any of that and also that passage simply says that we shouldnt follow darwisnist values because we can go agaisnt them, but doesnt say why we should or shouldnt.
That also doesnt have anything to do with the post above.

[Anonymous No.13906810]

>>13906586
Dawkins is so fucking bad at philosophy lmao. I still think he's completely right about evolution though

[Anonymous No.13906827]

>>13906700
Just because his position was an extremely complex one and difficult to pin down doesn't mean he never had one. It's obvious that he had one.

>>13906742
Nietzsche didn't derive his values from Darwin, didn't talk about "selfish genes," and contraceptives don't deny our natural instincts or demonstrate that our brains have evolved to be capable of denying our natural instincts... the only thing that can deny a natural instinct is another one, and we have many in us, and we create moralities so as to set limits on certain instincts so that they do not end up consuming one another because maintaining multiple instincts at once makes us more powerful, which was Nietzsche's point.

[Anonymous No.13906947]

>>13906468
Thanks

[Anonymous No.13907059]

>>13901247
>t. does not understand what he means by "power"

[Anonymous No.13907082]

>>13907059
Enlighten us.

[Anonymous No.13907129]

>>13906810
>. I still think he's completely right about evolution
he's said nothing new about evolution

[Anonymous No.13907142]

>>13907082
Something more akin to self expression rather than domination

[Anonymous No.13907174]

>>13907142
The self doesn't exist in a vacuum; self-expression without domination doesn't make sense. Nietzsche also constantly reveres what Christians regard as "evil" all throughout his books and especially in his Will to Power notebooks.

[Anonymous No.13907227]

>>13907174
>self-expression without domination doesn't make sense
If we expand the definition of domination so far that his points all redound to tautology

[Anonymous No.13907294]

>>13907227
Again, the self doesn't exist in a vacuum. Expression of any kind results in the domination of something. Further, Nietzsche himself even regards the self as having many different "expressions," or instincts, which are trying to dominate one another. To "express" "yourself" means to have one of your many biological instincts come out on top of all the rest.

[Anonymous No.13907319]

Was he right?

[Anonymous No.13907621]

>>13907174
>>13907294

>self-expression without domination doesn't make sense
>Expression of any kind results in the domination of something

For example making a piece of music is a act of power, as you are bringing yourself out to the world, in a sense asserting yourself on it. You could maybe call this "domination" but it diminishes the meaning too much in my opinion, and I think domination refers to people. The often used "overcoming" is the best description of this.

[Anonymous No.13908752]

Why do people treat a XIX century writer as an inspired profet?

Here I often see his quote about Islam, which simply displays widespread XIX century ignorance (Nietzsche isnt to blame)
To learn history read modern scholarly academic scientific history books, not a XIX century philopher.

[Anonymous No.13908763]

>>13908752
>profet

[Anonymous No.13909305]

>>13901061
Neet is part of a tradition, not a complete solution.

[Anonymous No.13909461]

>>13901150
Not at all, but neither are we in getting him caught by the police and ending him somewhere deep and dark.

[Anonymous No.13909466]

>>13901217
absolute faggot

[Anonymous No.13909499]

>>13901061
>pretends to have read Nietzsche
>"nothing after this life"

[Anonymous No.13909508]

>>13901061

Post current body of fuck off.
You will be physically destroyed by the 2nd person you encounter.

[Anonymous No.13909918]

>>13904700
>How can you be a slave to yourself?
Read Plato.
A slave to his passions, master of nothing, the tyrant of the soul ruled by paranoia and lust.

[Anonymous No.13909927]

>>13901061
You're not wrong, but nobody who advocates for Stirner and Nietzsches "moralism" would oppose what you just said.

[Anonymous No.13910165]

>>13909918
So you have to invent an erroneous understanding of the soul first to believe in nonsense?

[Anonymous No.13910221]

>>13901061
This dialogue reminds me of Hitchcock's movie Rope and a rhetoric mostly fit to Hitler in order to convince the poor and uneducated Germans. I can't say you got it all that wrong tho but ask yourself are you that edgy or you just bust our balls here? If you want to go out and do these things then feel free, do your best. Otherwise shut the fuck and figure out what nietsche meant, zarathustra was not an uberman but a more humane human.

[Anonymous No.13911047]

>>13901134
Sure, if that's what you feel like doing.

You're a fucking moron if you believe that Nietzche's philosophy should lead you to do those things. Just because you ought to do what you want does not mean no critical thought should go into deciding what it is you want and why. If you seriously think this is the full realization of Nietzche then you're just a fucking incel who is too weak and inept to engage in the world with reciprocity.

>b-but reciprocity means sacrificing what I want for what other people want
Yeah but if you had actually thought this through you would realize that it's in your self interest to get along with others in this world (unless you're an incel or a sociopath, in both cases you lead an empty existence).

Life is a game. If you wish to realize Nietzche's will to power properly you should focus on becoming the best possible player rather than how to cheat most effectively. Cheating may earn immediate self gratification but as a long term plan you're literally destroying your own existential opportunity to engage in the world with any substantial degree of meaning.