/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.13888305]

MONTHLY READING
September: Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang
https://mega.nz/#!qt8RwCaT!G1qXcuMD1lEgJnpRFk0POXQXcnc9Y3_n9YgZBq6lfM0
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

CHARTS:
https://mega.nz/#F!ywtXwYjC!LXU3e7knFpZK_dnHeC9ixA

THREADS:
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_username=sffg&search_op=op

/sffg/ Author Consensus
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jYbJ0WLv4hI1JC7E37z9zSYbZoK9UeRmcUbFzgZe5Aw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSVenGh00PPpBPE934xr5UGmdIma1XDOh1RNPXIVZdr6hUHYSoMv_Jc5sGLejYgOOC_iCmcR0UG-EGv/pubhtml

MORE:
https://pastelink.net/sffglit

[Anonymous No.13888320]

Someone in the last thread recommended the Drizzt series on audiobook. Which one should I start with?

[Anonymous No.13888326]

IT IS OUT!

[Anonymous No.13888339]

>>13888320
I almost alwats prefer published order myself, which would be The Crystal Shard.
If you want the first in chronological order, then Homeland.

[Anonymous No.13888358]

>>13888320
Do the whole thing in chronological order, starting with Homeland.

[Anonymous No.13888360]

>>13888305
for the spreadsheet:
type y in a cell to make it green for "yes", n to make it red for "no", and m to make it yellow for "maybe".

Authors can be added at the bottom.
If there isn't much response over the next few days, probably won't be pushing it any longer.
I'm not a silly as the uncrowned poster(s).

I'm considering giving making another pastelink that can be freely edited so that people can do whatever they want extra for the OP.

Currently everything in the OP except the google drive link is from me.

[Anonymous No.13888374]

sanderfag a hack

[Anonymous No.13888386]

>>13888326
reeee
IRC doesn't have it yet after a cursory search

[Anonymous No.13888391]

>>13888386
it was posted in the last thread

[Anonymous No.13888392]

>>13888386
>>13883664

[Anonymous No.13888396]

>>13888326
It's bad.

[Anonymous No.13888398]

>>13888391
>>13888392
Thanks; I'd missed it.

[Anonymous No.13888405]

https://forum.mobilism.org/viewforum.php?f=120

[Anonymous No.13888434]

>>13888305 Previous threads
>>13873919
>>13864918
>>13852858
>>13813381
>>13826783
>>13841339

[Anonymous No.13888556]

Northstrider is a pretty cool dude.

[Anonymous No.13888790]

>>13888305
How do I write medieval fantasy?

[Anonymous No.13888813]

>>13888326
The harem is taking shape

[Anonymous No.13888970]

>>13888823

[Anonymous No.13889025]

>>13888790
Get drunk at medieval fairs and try to get into every female Larper's panties there.
Drink mead exclusively and have as much meat as possible for every meal.

[Anonymous No.13889061]

>>13888326
I almost miss your constant Sarah J. Fatass shilling, it was less onerous than this.

[Anonymous No.13889150]

Have to ask again - anyone got T.E.D. Klein's book(s) in digital form? It seems to be really hard to find and I'd like to read his particular brand of post-Lovecraftian prose.

[Anonymous No.13889223]

>>13889150
Just checked.
Here's what I as available on IRC:
Klein, T E D - Collected Stories
Klein, T E D - The Ceremonies
Klein, T E D - Well-Connected

[Anonymous No.13889349]

>>13888813
Oh no. Please don't turn cradle into lame stereotypical litrpg

[Anonymous No.13889373]

>>13889349
Not true. It's an anime.

[Anonymous No.13889386]

I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

[Anonymous No.13889396]

>>13888305
just finished uncrowned, I know it's the same length as the other books but it felt shorter somehow. it was fun though.

[Anonymous No.13889397]

>>13889386 Are you going to post this in every thread now?

[Anonymous No.13889400]

*tosses you a jelly bean*

[Anonymous No.13889404]

>>13889386

[Anonymous No.13889477]

Describes a lot of 4chan posters and specific boards.

"There are souls that, crablike, crawl continually toward darkness, going backward in life rather than advancing, using their experience to increase their deformity, growing continually worse, and becoming steeped more and more thoroughly in an intensifying viciousness." - Les Miserables by Victor Hugo

[Anonymous No.13889484]

>>13889477
thats /g/

[Anonymous No.13889521]

>>13889396
It was the shortest book since Soulsmith, but yeah, it’s a fun read. Really wish they were longer. Yerin and Lindon are cute as fuck.

[Anonymous No.13889577]

>>13889477
Wow that's pretty grim.

[Anonymous No.13889584]

Why do all the akura descendants have stripper names?

[Anonymous No.13889600]

>>13889577
Do you even know what the images you post are from or do you just post random images of girls because you like them?

[Anonymous No.13889610]

>>13889600
Are you asking for source?

[Anonymous No.13889613]

>>13889610
No, I asked what I asked.

[Anonymous No.13889626]

>>13889613
I see

[Anonymous No.13889629]

>>13889610
I ask for sauce

[Anonymous No.13889630]

>>13889626
Do you have a cosplay fetish or do you think they seem appropriate for thread?

It's Gantz.

[Anonymous No.13889643]

>>13889630
It's not my post I was just wondering if you were too shy to ask for the source directly
>>13889629
See >>13889630

[Anonymous No.13889648]

>>13889600
I'll let you know that every image posted by me is hand picked for it's ability to trigger anons and derail conversations.
In this case some weeb like yourself.

[Anonymous No.13889656]

Less than a week till discussion.

[Anonymous No.13889657]

>>13889584
Because Malice names all her direct descendants like strippers.

[Anonymous No.13889659]

>>13889656
>Ted Chink
I wish you guys would pick something interesting from time to time.

[Anonymous No.13889664]

>>13889648
You've misunderstood. I'm interested in your motivation.
>implying there's any actual conversation to derail

[Anonymous No.13889667]

>>13889657
Who named malice like a dominatrix then?

[Anonymous No.13889671]

>>13889664
Triggering you is my motivation.

[Anonymous No.13889679]

>>13889656
The per week is wrong because it wasn't decided until well into the month. Should be more like pick new book in the last few days of the month. Discuss book in the last 3-4 days of the month since not everyone may be able to do so on any given day and rest of the month is for reading rather than a book going over into two months.
Of course, really can discuss whenever.

>>13889659
Define "interesting"

[Anonymous No.13889685]

>>13889671
I doubt that. I think simply getting replies (attention) is your motivation and you want to pretend that you aren't like that.

[Anonymous No.13889691]

>>13889679
or rather, pick new book in the last week/7 days of the month and then start it on the 1st.

[Anonymous No.13889701]

>>13888326

Ok sffg, i only read good books so I dont know what this is, tell me

[Anonymous No.13889707]

>>13889701
He constantly posts it in literally every thread and talks about it non-stop, so just look in the archive/previous threads.

[Anonymous No.13889712]

>>13889150

Fucking jews

[Anonymous No.13889722]

>>13889707

No im not going to do any work whatsoever

[Anonymous No.13889723]

>>13889701
Xianxia with sort of competent writing. You wouldn't like it

[Anonymous No.13889726]

>>13889707
Are you new to sffg? Cradle posting has always been a thing

[Anonymous No.13889729]

>>13888970
>doesn't include the order the stories were written
Gay and retarded.

[Anonymous No.13889743]

>>13889667
>names he path the Path of Shadows
Obviously she named herself because she likes to larp as an edgelord.

[Anonymous No.13889760]

[Anonymous No.13889767]

[Anonymous No.13889795]

>it's a chapter about the sci fi gods and dying world
Instantly skipped. So terribly uninteresting.

[Anonymous No.13889817]

>>13889767
I'm having my red rising right now :(

[Anonymous No.13889837]

>>13889577
>>13889648
>Readhead
>No freckles
LOW TEST

[Anonymous No.13889856]

>>13889795
It’s getting better. Soon it’ll be revealed that Eithan is Ozriel reincarnated and it’ll finally be relevant to the main plot.

[Anonymous No.13889863]

Okay, /sffg/, I finished my first fantasy book and published it on Amazon, but where the hell do I go from here? I'm already working on a second one, but how does one build a readerbase efficiently in this day and age?

[Anonymous No.13889868]

>>13889863
Shill it literally everywhere. Here, twitter reddit, tumblr, YouTube comments. Shill like it’s adding .05 cents to your account.

[Anonymous No.13889874]

>>13889863
Was your book any good? Maybe reddit has an appropriate place to shill

[Anonymous No.13889876]

>>13889767
This is sitting on my shelf. What should I expect?

[Anonymous No.13889888]

>>13889876
My vagina inside your penises

[Anonymous No.13889898]

>>13889888
i warn you now, i have a big bed for the fuck

[Anonymous No.13889919]

>>13889685
>I think simply getting replies (attention) is your motivation and you want to pretend that you aren't like that.
I just said I am doing it for attention. Nigga read.

>>13889679
I was thinking about new(ish) works (let's say within this decade) with themes that I currently find interesting. To wit I am in the midst of a new military sci-fi binge. I have heard nothing but praise for Ted Chiang but that's not what I am currently reading.

>>13889837
Typical Amerimutt.

[Anonymous No.13889921]

I don't know what to feel about uncrowned. It kinda was "barebones" if i had to find a word for it. Nothing really happened with Yerin and Lindon. The sister and Orthos got like half a chapter and the training montages were boring and uninspired. the only kind of interesting thing is at the end where Northstrider takes and interest in Dross. Overall i didn't really enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.13889948]

>>13889868
Well, I have to start somewhere.

Here's my book, everyone. It's called "Black Iron & Cinder":
(Kindle) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y71T8KK
(Paperback) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1691857793

>>13889874
At the suggestion of someone here in /sffg/ over a year ago, I originally posted it on RoyalRoad bit by bit. I did manage to get some readers that way, and good reviews and ratings. And the web novel approach helped a lot with my revision process, as I was only on my second draft when I started posting it there.

[Anonymous No.13889965]

>>13888326
I just finished it, it was disappointing

[Anonymous No.13889975]

>>13889948
Shit, I should've included a picture of the cover.

[Anonymous No.13889977]

>>13889948
I'm going to read it and leave a harsh review

[Anonymous No.13889990]

>>13889977
Based triple dubs poster

[Anonymous No.13889994]

>>13889977
Well, alright. Fair enough.
Also, nice tripdubs.

[Anonymous No.13890044]

>>13889397
It's kino if you read it in Jim Carrey's voice

[Anonymous No.13890055]

>>13890044
contact hank hill/gilbert gottfried anon. hes reading anything thats thrown at him.

[Anonymous No.13890061]

>>13889948
I bought it, anonimo

[Anonymous No.13890069]

anybody got any good suggestions for <200 page books?

[Anonymous No.13890086]

>>13889349
It's stereotypical by nature

[Anonymous No.13890097]

>>13890061
Thank you, friend, I appreciate it. If you get around to reading it, I hope you like it.

[Anonymous No.13890104]

>>13889397
If he doesn't, I will

[Anonymous No.13890127]

Dross is too quirky I don't like it

[Anonymous No.13890172]

>>13889948
Is it litrpg or chinkshit?

[Anonymous No.13890188]

>>13890172
Neither.

[Anonymous No.13890193]

>>13890188
Then I will read a sample and if I like it, I will steal it.

[Anonymous No.13890215]

>>13890193
O-okay.

The whole thing's on RoyalRoad already, but as an older draft and in a web novel format.

[Anonymous No.13890266]

>>13890215
I don't know what that is

[Anonymous No.13890298]

>>13890266
An open web novel site for anyone to post their work, but it's dedicated to sci-fi and fantasy. As you might expect, it's mostly LitRPG, but I went ahead and used it anyway to half-decent success.

[Anonymous No.13890649]

>>13889876
hunger games in space. I’m reading the second one now

[Anonymous No.13890867]

>>13888305
What do you guys think of Sharon Kay Penman?

[Anonymous No.13890900]

>>13890649
oh... shoot

[Anonymous No.13891072]

>>13889726
>Cradle posting has always been a thing
Yes, I have no doubt you, or someone else, has been posting about it since the very beginning.

Post counts include everything, not just about the novel.

First posts about...:
Sep 1 16: Will Wight, 95 posts
Oct 6 16: Unsouled, 35 posts
Apr 6 19: Uncrowned, 52 posts

So I guess the Uncrowned was a lot less than I thought, because that's 173 days since then which is an average of 0.3 posts per day about it and a lot of them were very recent.

Can't tell about Cradle because it's so common, but I doubt it's that much higher than the above.

Some other ones and since Warosu doesn't show posts counts and it's a hassle, I used archive.moe but that starts in like 2015 or something, so these are doubtlessly higher.
‘"brandon sanderson"’. 719 results found.
"name of the wind"’. 947 results found.
‘mistborn’. 1203 results found.
‘"hunger games"’. 1563 results found.
‘"game of thrones"’. 2145 results found.
‘grrm’. 2586 results found.
‘"harry potter"’. 12088 results found.

[Anonymous No.13891139]

This Gideon the Ninth shit is crazy. It's literally the best use of character development in an SF I've encountered in a long time. And this allows the conclusion/resolution to be a sick necromantic duel without any sort of plot device or fantasy 'macguffin' to decide the outcome. Idk how else to describe it

[Anonymous No.13891141]

>>13889948
I don't know how much you've changed it, but going off the first chapter on Royal Road, if were I an editor at a traditional publisher, there is a 100% that I wouldn't give it more than few seconds and entirely forget about it.
No, I don't want to bother with Kindle Unlimited.
Then I looked at the last chapter.
Doesn't seem that different.

As a something I'd want to read, it's not much.
As a web novel/self-published, it seems fine.
Of course, when it comes to making money, those qualities are irrelevant based on the ones actually bringing in profit.

[Anonymous No.13891168]

>>13891139
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/755170550/smart-snarky-gideon-the-ninth-swears-her-way-through-the-stars

Previous thread:
>>13874358

>NPR recommendations are literally the most generic stuff that came out this year, and hardly anything that would be discussed or recommended in this thread anyway.

Tons of other times and books as well.

[Anonymous No.13891172]

>>13891139
Like seriously just some Scanners shit

[Anonymous No.13891197]

>>13891168
And? I despise NPR but probably for different reasons from yours, but I spent $20+ on this when I was chemically compromised and then a month later was overdrafted because the pre-order charge finally went through and then tried to cancel and refund it but was told I couldn't and figured I'd give it a shot and was impressed, and I'm actually surprised by it.

[Anonymous No.13891217]

>>13891197
You misunderstood. I meant the opposite. Thanks for proving my point.
>I'm actually surprised by it.
Which is why my response to that was
>All the more reason to have it.
Thank you, again.

[Anonymous No.13891247]

>>13891217
Sorry. I'm sure I'm just digging myself into a deeper hole as I continue to post, but I don't understand what you initially intended to say I guess and am genuinely curious. I don't often discuss fiction on /lit/ but I've always admired these threads

[Anonymous No.13891254]

>>13891247
Preconceived ideals are inherently limiting.

[Anonymous No.13891261]

>>13891217
Altho perhaps it's because I didn't read the NPR article and just checked the headline that I'm missing something, but the only thing I can imagine that's cringier than my least favorite parts of this book is outlets like NPR talking about this book so I avoided that

[Anonymous No.13891289]

>>13891254
>>13891254
Oh wait are you saying that in defense of this book? If so, I agree. I'm an SJW/ leftist but I know how this board often reacts to that so I try to tread carefully around it or even pretend I'm not. I did love this book, as much as I hated parts of it.

[Anonymous No.13891319]

>>13891289
>I'm an SJW
Either you aren't or you are rather silly to call yourself what is essentially intended as a slur, or you have no idea what you are saying.

>this board often reacts to that
It goes both ways.

[Anonymous No.13891349]

>>13891319
Hehe no I like the term, I also adore the term 'cultural marxist' because I study Marx but really don't give a shit about economics. I love to jokingly distance myself from the term SJW by saying I'm a social justice paladin instead.
As for it goes both ways, attitudes towards eachother do but overall space is dominated by fasc views and leftists only come- at least by my best guess- to troll.
The balance is a bit better on reddit but evenyone on reddit is a shrieking tard so it's not nearly as entertaining as here.

[Anonymous No.13891380]

>>13891349
Sorry, this post had no SF or F, still reading it, and Gideon is somehow most relatable protag despite also being a hateable cunt.

[Anonymous No.13891383]

>>13891349
Last response to this.

>overall space is dominated by fasc views
Based on the Political Compass charts that are posted all over the place, that isn't true.

What it probably is, and these are only theoretical numbers, if you go from a place that is 95/5 to a place that is 60/40 than it may seemed like it's dominated.

Though it does entirely depend on the board and which particular posters are around.

[Anonymous No.13891388]

>>13891072
are you autistic? serious question

[Anonymous No.13891398]

>>13891388
No, I just prefer facts over hyperbolic feelings that are used to push an agenda.

[Anonymous No.13891444]

hi ess eff eff gee
Can I get some recs for 'black/deep horror' that feels kind of like Lovecraft? Malevolent entities, dark foreboding atmosphere, and a real sense of "unknowable-ness". That last one is what I really like, trying to explain the unexplainable and the maddening.

Blindsight had some spooky shit in it in how the aliens were. I mean unknowable in that sense.

[Anonymous No.13891448]

>>13891383
Hmm, I honestly think there truly is no place where leftist presence is 95/5 the way that 4 chan is the opposite (I also go on /v/, if I've exhausted literally everything to scroll down and I'm depressed) there's only places where they make their own little hives practically isolate, a trend made possible by the lack of anonymimity possible here. Trust me, I desperately wish such a place existed. Even tumblr is mostly libs and vile asexuals when they're not half porn gun nuts.

[Anonymous No.13891458]

>>13891383
politics is a culture now basically. its 5th grade class room politics culture. the nerds vs the jocks. the pretty girls vs the ugly girls.
politics has very little to do with actual politics and more to do with everyone fighting against everyone not on their side. sound arguments and logic get discarded in favor of personal opinions and goals motivated by either personal belief, manipulation or monetary incentive.
my father always used to tell me that people who should decide the fate of a country should meet 3 criteria.
>learned and worked in a trade or craft. no executives, career politicians or foreign bankers
>has to have a family with children otherwise they cant comprehend how deicisions impact families
>no ties to any boards or charities since they all are either money laundering scams or hush money

what im trying to say here is that all save a few people in politics are incompetent and should not hold any power rtegardless of which political leaning they have.
that retarded idiocy is transferred to the younger generation because they dont know any better. their whole life theyve seen politicians act like selfish jerks out for only personal gain with an agenda to demonize their opponents or really anyone not in 100% agreement with themselves, and as such they do the same. they create radical camps of opinions and wont hear the other sides arguments at all. this leads to a sort of pseudo-nationalist(nations in this case are political views) fascism in politics that extends to the average joe because he only apes hes being told.

[Anonymous No.13891472]

>>13891448
I said it was my last response, but you've proven me wrong.
Why would you go on /v/?
That's one of the worst boards on the site.
May as well be going to /pol/.

Also, apparently I don't know what you mean by "leftist".

>>13891458
Indeed, identity politics and tribalism are a scourge.

[Anonymous No.13891487]

>>13891458
So our differences ultimately boil down to opinions on the family unit? Because I've mastered a trade and hate neoliberal 'non-profit' charity nonsense in lieu of direct action. And I'm not on the side that complain things are 'too political'. I don't follow the logic here.

[Anonymous No.13891496]

>>13891487
>>13891458
Just be clear, this is a different anon than the one you replied to, which was me.

[Anonymous No.13891502]

>>13891496
Yeah, I was responding to just their post, but I feel bad because now we're definitey way off any sort of SF or F.

[Anonymous No.13891506]

>>13891487
not the anon youve been talking to.
my point wasnt really about those 3 criteria. thats just my personal belief in accordance to what my father taught me.
the point im making is politics is fucked pecause the wrong people are in power and fight each other instead of finding solutions to actual problems facing real people. the criteria i mentioned just make sense to me because no one would know the vaast majority of a country better than a man or woman who worked manual labor, has a family and actually wishes to improve the country for the future generation.

[Anonymous No.13891515]

>>13891448
4chan is not 95% right wing. At least this board isn't, every political thread here is a flamewar between leftists and reactionaries.

[Anonymous No.13891522]

>>13891139
>lgbt
Yeah I’d rather drink bleach

[Anonymous No.13891531]

>>13891444
>black/deep horror
Cthulhu Armageddon.
Random black dude is adventuring in a world that was fucked hard. The old gods are real now and pretty much everything from mythology exists.
Features existential threats to reality as well as mid-life crisis and quite probably the only good black mc ever written in fiction.

[Anonymous No.13891532]

>>13891506
Yeah, we're not that different. Trust me, leftists agree. Even so called leftist heroes or icons like AOC real leftists would criticize "Why haven't you explicitly endorsed Bernie despite his labor views?" "Why haven't you denounced genocide in Israel?" and consider her a fraud.

[Anonymous No.13891539]

>>13891444
Bloodborne

[Anonymous No.13891563]

Absolute last post about this stuff regardless if you reply to, which is unfair but how it is. I'll limit myself.

>real people
>real leftists
Entirely silly.

>vaast majority of a country better than a man or woman who worked manual labor
I don't know where you are, but if it's the US, then that certainty isn't the case there or similar developed countries. ~80% of jobs in the US are service industry, though we may have a disagreement on "manual labor".

--
here are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, "Morning, boys, how's the water?" And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes, "What the hell is water?"

[Anonymous No.13891568]

>>13891563
Oops, forgot to link to the posts. Oh well. Not like you wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.13891573]

Remember to report political posts.

[Anonymous No.13891578]

>enter sci fi and fantasy thread
>a few autists shitting up half of the thread with politics
there's another board for that you know

[Anonymous No.13891586]

>>13891573
lol ty

[Anonymous No.13891592]

>>13891522
>>13891573
>>13891578
>>13891586
Is this a political post?

[Anonymous No.13891613]

>my power has leaked away, day by day
So that's how they killed the sword sage. Let the land sap his power then zerg rush him.

[Anonymous No.13891633]

>>13891448
>I honestly think there truly is no place where leftist presence is 95/5 the way that 4 chan is the opposite
4chan isn't even close to 95 percent right wing. It's just mostly "not leftist", which isn't the same thing as being right wing by a long shot. It varies a ton by board, and on boards where political discussion is allowed, the loudest, most aggressive voices predominate since that's the only way anything stays on top of a board on this site, it's survival of the fittest, where fittest means "most willing to spam threads and images". The only board I would describe as being explicitly and aggressively right wing is /pol/.

/lit/ is actually fairly left of center compared to the rest of 4chan. You have plenty of disaffected STEMfags with reactionary viewpoints but overall the board leans left, I feel, with actual left wingers like socialists and marxists present, not just trolls. Probably due to there being a lot of humanities majors on the board.

/his/ is also pretty balanced, but is far less civil because there's basically no standards for discussion unlike /lit/ (which requires some kind of text to discuss, or at least it's supposed to). On /his/ you can just post propaganda and spam infographics, basically it's /pol/ lite, but a concerted effort by leftist groups from 8ch formed a resistant there to the /pol/ crowd, so as a result the board is in a constant state of warfare between aggressive tankies and white nationalists over who can spam more propaganda. And then you have the pop history and armchair military historians making cringy threads in between them. What a rotten board.

I got sidetracked there, but the point is you probably only think this site is 95 right wing because you're used to sites where those voices are routinely censored or pushed far, far into the margins. Which as it turns out is most of the internet. Those people all flock here cause it's one of the only places they're not silenced, whereas leftists have many places.

[Anonymous No.13891673]

>>13891633
>It's just mostly "not leftist",
More like
"not authoritarian and not aggressively political"

[Anonymous No.13891683]

>>13891673
If you were describing 4chan circa 2007 I'd agree with you.

[Anonymous No.13891698]

>>13889876
First one is pretty terrible in parts. I liked the following ones a lot more. Also preferred the Golds to everyone else.

[Anonymous No.13891857]

A thread cannot survive on quality on-topic content alone.

[Anonymous No.13891895]

>>13888398

[Anonymous No.13891930]

>>13891613
That makes a lot of sense...

[Anonymous No.13892127]

>>13891289
>Spergs out over frogs
We already knew, anon

[Anonymous No.13892145]

>>13891444
Fanged Noumena

[Anonymous No.13892241]

>>13890867
Please answer, I'm lost

[Anonymous No.13892255]

>>13892241
I don't know her

[Anonymous No.13892270]

>>13891458
>tfw most of your MPs who worked a honest job are brainlets unfit to govern

[Anonymous No.13892324]

>>13891458
>what im trying to say here is that all save a few people in politics are incompetent and should not hold any power rtegardless of which political leaning they have.
Democratic politics just attracts the most awful kinds of people. Just imagine being a person who willingly subject himself to the opinions of his political party, an organizations more morally bankrupt and centered on "least common denominator" public appearance then the biggest Hollywood movies.
A person who thrives on playground tier drama and who's job it is to participate in shouting matches over issues neither he nor anyone else in the face of this Earth cares about.

>they create radical camps of opinions and wont hear the other sides arguments at all. this leads to a sort of pseudo-nationalist(nations in this case are political views) fascism in politics that extends to the average joe because he only apes hes being told.
The issue is that nothing ever happens. I am convinced that democratic politics works solely for the reason that it is the most conservative (in the literal sense) form of government to ever exist.
Even if you had a 90% majority of a Democratic government in favor of another Holocaust, I am utterly convinced it would take them half a decade to kill the first Jew and that only after multiple internal splits of parties thousands of hours of debate over door closing mechanisms and hundred of thousands of pages of reports by "experts" which all lead to ultimately nothing.
And this frustration at the incapability of democratic governments to ever do anything is what is fuelling the "extremists".

[Anonymous No.13892357]

Anyone know any books with this sort of government?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

[Anonymous No.13892522]

>>13892357
Pretty niche man

[Anonymous No.13892546]

>>13889965
Agreed. I thought Underlord was pretty good, but this was like a 3/5. Felt like nothing really happened.

[Anonymous No.13892596]

>>13889948
>>13889975
>>13890188
I am going to go out on a limb and buy the kindle version purely because it's not chinkshit or video game garbage and the synopsis doesn't make me cringe. I have a monstrously high tolerance for bad and mediocre SFFG content, so if I don't like it, you've really come up with a stinker.

Fuck chinkshit and fuck video game garbage.

[Anonymous No.13892645]

>>13892596
Same. Can't stand chink shit.

[Anonymous No.13892671]

>>13889948

Looks. Allright. Zombies and knights? You got an excerpt to share? If it isnt complete shit i will consider giving you the 3 sheckles. Good fantasy is hard to come by.

[Anonymous No.13892756]

>>13892324
Your post actually reminds me of a theory of mine that whether you like politics or not depends on how much you liked high school. If you adapted well (whether by will or by accident) to the sort of image-laundering that being popular in high school requires, odds are you'll be quite successful at politicking. If you were some lonely weirdo, on another hand, you'll probably lean libertarian or ancap, and if you were a weirdo but had a social group of other weirdos you turn into a commie.

[Anonymous No.13892758]

>>13892324
>Even if you had a 90% majority of a Democratic government in favor of another Holocaust, I am utterly convinced it would take them half a decade to kill the first Jew and that only after multiple internal splits of parties thousands of hours of debate over door closing mechanisms and hundred of thousands of pages of reports by "experts" which all lead to ultimately nothing.
Are you paying attention to what's happening in India right now?

[Anonymous No.13892885]

this any good?

[Anonymous No.13892908]

>>13889876
a pretty good time 2bh

[Anonymous No.13892929]

>>13892758
>Are you paying attention to what's happening in India right now?
No. I am not smooth brained enough to care what is happening in the world.

[Anonymous No.13892948]

>>13892885
Looks and sounds like typical soap opera fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13892956]

>>13892596
Thanks, Anon. I hope you like it.

>>13892671
Uh, yeah, sure. See image. It's obviously missing some context, but directly pertains to details mentioned in the synopsis ("foreign knight in self-exile"). It's about a third of the way in. It admittedly makes the main character seem quite broody, but it's a key interaction between both people.

[Anonymous No.13893240]

George RR Martin is fat.

He can't even get into his own bed.

George RR Martin looks so damn old.

He's almost an age.

George RR Martin never had a book of his own.

George RR Martin's own children, both in the show and in the books, were so fat that they couldn't even pass a basic physical exam.

George RR Martin's entire family had to be moved. They had problems walking and eating and sleeping and everything else.

George RR Martin didn't have an estate. He was living from paycheck to paycheck. Nobody helped him. He had no friends because he didn't like people.

George RR Martin's wife, for all of her accomplishments, was a pretty poor and unappreciative wife.

George RR Martin's daughters (the ones that didn't die in any of his books) all had pretty crappy health, and George RR Martin couldn't even keep up with them.

[Anonymous No.13893254]

I am in the middle of Uncrowned.
Idk I like it.

[Anonymous No.13893277]

>>13892596
BASED

[Anonymous No.13893328]

>>13888305
I’ve been out of the loop for ten years or so, what would you suggest me to read? I used to like Forgotten realms and Dragonlance’s books a lot.

[Anonymous No.13893393]

>>13892956

I liked the beginning but the whole explaining one's emotion (he makes common ground with comerade etc) i dont like. Removes the pacing. Youre a writer right? So just write the emotion in what they say, which you actually did so that filler is redundant.

Whatever, im gonna do it. If i dont like it im gonna leave a rape you in the ass review, you fucking bastard.

[Anonymous No.13893426]

>>13893393
Fair point, Anon. I'll avoid that in my future work.

I-I hope you like it, then.

[Anonymous No.13893480]

>>13893328
Litrpg and western takes on Chinese mythology is what's currently in vogue.
Try cradle by Will Wight

[Anonymous No.13893487]

>>13889965
>>13892546
This. The book is also left unfinished.
I mean, he didn't even finish the tournament! Nevermind the stupid cliffhanger.

[Anonymous No.13893499]

>>13889948
I'm gonna read the preview and if I like the themes I'll see about acquiring it.

Either way, I wish you success.

[Anonymous No.13893518]

>>13893487
Yeah the cliffhanger was a bit much, but at least the yerin lindon fight was good. Mercy will never, ever start a love triangle.

[Anonymous No.13893528]

>>13893518
>Mercy will never, ever start a love triangle
She'll never find true love. Just like cripple-chan on sacred valley.

[Anonymous No.13893536]

Hey /sffg/, I've decided I want to try and write a story, and I was wondering what is the best site to post your writing on? English was always a weak subject for me, so I want to try and get as much feedback as possible and improve.

[Anonymous No.13893544]

>>13893480
>Litrpg
What’s that?
>cradle

I’ll check it out thanks

[Anonymous No.13893548]

>>13893499
Thank you, Anon. I appreciate the sentiment.

[Anonymous No.13893554]

>>13893328
>>13893480
No it's not. Do not listen to this faggot. All he does all day is shill his shitty self published anime book. We don't want to read your book, Will. Go the fuck away.

[Anonymous No.13893557]

This is pretty enjoyable. That said, I'm not entirely sure I can see myself reading three more.

[Anonymous No.13893562]

>>13893544
See
>>13893554

[Anonymous No.13893584]

>>13893554
>>13893562
Ok, what should I read instead?

[Anonymous No.13893596]

>>13893554
>>13893562
>NOOOOOO STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE. YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE SELF PUBLISHED BOOKS.

[Anonymous No.13893671]

Sword & Sorcery is based, bros.

[Anonymous No.13893776]

>>13893671
Does he fuck the eagle?

[Anonymous No.13893786]

Why don't the sacred artists use their will to rape dragon girls?

[Anonymous No.13893791]

>>13893584
As far as the last 10 years go, the Red Queens War series by Mark Lawrence was pretty good
>>13893596
I don't care what you like. Just trying to stop you from tricking some unsuspecting dude into reading your degenerate chinese fapfiction

[Anonymous No.13893854]

>>13893791
how does he handle the anti hero thing? I don't usually like that trope much.

[Anonymous No.13893909]

>>13893854
The main character is an abject coward and womanizer that tries to lie and scheme his way out of everything while his buddy, a noble Viking saves his ass as they travel across the world to complete their mission. You'll be hard pressed to find anything published recently that doesn't try to subvert the hero trope in some way. If that's what you're into go for some of the older stuff you may have missed. Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams comes to mind. Pretty straight forward epic fantasy with deeper underpinnings.

[Anonymous No.13893917]

>>13893909
>Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams comes to mind.
I'll try those, thanks.

[Anonymous No.13893951]

>>13893584
They kinda stopped updating but this site has more reliable lists than the autism fuelled cancer charts on offer here.

http://bestfantasybooks.com/

[Anonymous No.13894027]

>>13893328
A Little Hatred by Joe Abercrombie (2019)
Rage of Dragons by Evan Winter (2018)
Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence (2011)
Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson (2010)
Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss (2007)
Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch (2006)
The Black Prism by Brent Weeks (2010)

[Anonymous No.13894033]

>>13889876
Starts like YA. By book 5 Brown goes full grimderp.

[Anonymous No.13894071]

>>13893917
>MST
Way overwrought and the length makes LOTR look like The Hobbit, but still better worldbuilding than most

[Anonymous No.13894090]

>>13894027
lol you cheeky cunt.

[Anonymous No.13894094]

>>13891633
>>13891673
>>13891683
Go. The. Fuck. Away. There's hundreds of thread on this site you can pollute with this 'til your heart's content.

[Anonymous No.13894108]

>>13894027
top kek

[Anonymous No.13894114]

>>13892956
Jesus, dude. If you're going to try to be a writer, LEARN PUNCTUATION! It's horrible and unreadable in that excerpt.

[Anonymous No.13894131]

>>13894090
>>13894108
??

[Anonymous No.13894206]

>>13891573
Drink bleach faggot

[Anonymous No.13894236]

>>13894131
You forgot A Throne of Glass by Maas and Age of Myth by Sullivan.

[Anonymous No.13894257]

>>13893791
>>13893854
Lawrence is objectively terrible. There's nothing good in his books.
>>13893951
>Click on epic fantasy
>1) Wheel of Time
>2) Wizard's First Rule
Go back to your containment website, redditspacer. Those charts are unholy.
>>13894027
This is a meme (not insulting the poster, that was very clearly a bait).
>>13893544
Do check it out. There are a few anon here who start screeching every time its mentioned, but many like it. Those books have no artistic integrity to speak of, but can be entertaining. I for one can't tolerate LitRPG, it literally feels like shit, but I enjoy webnovels a lot (check out Practical Guide to Evil and Worm). Chinkshit can be fun, but nowadays I am unable to get over all the stupidities. Check out Cradle instead. William E Brown is another author that is pure entertainment and writes mostly for degenerates.
>>13893791
You are the anon on this board that I like the least by far. Faggot that reads what is essentially no better than chinese fapfiction and yet can't be honest about his taste being shit.
>>13893584
Mieville, Bakker, and Chiang, and GGK are often cited as the best living speculative fiction authors. Also try Library at mount char. Peronally I think K. J. Parker is underrated. He is miles better than the Sandersons and the Lawrence's, and yet doen't get much attention. Simple, enjoyable books, but with underlying themes of surprising depth.
Gaiman is OK and still active.
Anyways here is a list of authors you should stay away from at all costs. They are generic, pointless, and try to appeal to the lowest common denominator:
Sanderson, Rothfuss, Lawrence, Weeks, Brett, Clare, Maas, Lynch, Abercrombie, Butcher.

[Anonymous No.13894265]

>>13894257
>redditspacer
Imagine being this retarded and new.

[Anonymous No.13894289]

>>13894257
This is a meme (not insulting the poster, that was very clearly a bait).
Except it's a list of literally the best fantasy series that have been written or started in the last 10 years. Sorry that I don't recommend a bunch of Z tier ebooks full of spelling and grammatical errors, or overwhelming anti-cliche writing, like the lot of you seem to enjoy. I've stuck around this thread for about a month and half the books you guys talk about in here are legitimate shit that literally no one has heard of outside of /sffg/, and for good reason. You rip on these other published and experienced authors saying that they're "objectively terrible" yet you fawn over absolute trite nonsense.

[Anonymous No.13894291]

>>13894265
The fuck are you talking about, I have seen redditspacing since 2013 at least

[Anonymous No.13894301]

>>13893426
Just to play devil's advocate, I like writing where the writer tells what the characters are thinking. Complex emotions are hard to convey just with dialogue, especially as, realistically, people constantly withhold information from each other. In screenwriting you have to convey this kind of information with dialogue but in prose you are not limited to that.

[Anonymous No.13894313]

>>13894289
Jesus christ, man, just go back to where you belong. You are clearly not enjoying the discussion here, and we are not enjoying your contribution.
If you actually think they are the best authors, I don't actually feel angry, just sad. I am not sure how you found your way here, but if you think Sanderson and Weeks are anything else but entertainment written to appeal to the largest number of people, you are not worth arguing with.
At least 70%+ anons here are honest. If they talk about chinkshit, they don't pretend its anything else but happy-pills. And then, sometimes we talk about Wolfe and Dunsany and Peake and Hodgson.

[Anonymous No.13894332]

>>13894289
I bet you think stephen king is a much better author than marcel schwob, because he is 1000x times more popular

[Anonymous No.13894348]

>>13894313
>but if you think Sanderson and Weeks are anything else but entertainment written to appeal to the largest number of people, you are not worth arguing with.
I've never said otherwise. Ya'll are the ones that shit on anyone and everyone who even slightly hints at liking those books, specifically because it's not one of your little ebooks or webnovels, and like most of the children on 4chan it's "too mainstream to be cool". Almost every book or series I've checked out from the recommends here I've dropped in a matter of chapters because they all try so hard to break cliches and be as anti-modern as they can be.
You say 70% of the anons here are honest. I'm among them. I uniroincally love schlocky sci-fi and fantasy, which is why I like the books that I listed. Also, little insight for ya. The guy that was asking for recommendations reads the absolute bottom shelf schlock fantasy series with Forgotten Realms and Dragon Lance. So more schlocky modern takes on that kind of stuff, the stuff Weeks and Sanderson and Lunch and the rest put out, is right up his alley.
It's ALMOST like I gave him a list based on what he said he liked, as opposed to giving him a list of stuff that YOU like that has nothing to do with the kinds of books he's interested in, because you want to pedal your hipster webnovels and other garbage.

[Anonymous No.13894353]

>>13894332
King has about 1 "good" book/story for every 10 that he writes. And I use the term "good" loosely.

[Anonymous No.13894355]

>>13893584
ignore all of this >>13894257 and you'll probably be alright

[Anonymous No.13894358]

>>13892956
You really needed to have this read by a few other people who could give you some advice before going live with it. It really really needs some editing, it needs some corrections.

[Anonymous No.13894374]

>>13894114
Yeah, he does. The very first line made me cringe.

Here. I'll fix it authanon.

"Royal guard?", the veteran repeats out loud, wide-eyed.

[Anonymous No.13894393]

>>13892956
>uses the Latin phrase Per Se in a book that I 100% know isn't going to be set on Earth or have the Roman Empire to spread the language.

Literally dropped within the first three paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.13894398]

>>13888305
Updated /sffg/ Author Consensus spreadsheet.
It's now not sorted by tiers based on how many ratings and author has received so that anyone who looks at it will see the most relevant information right away and be able to rate the top authors quickly.
Currently the tiers are 2 ratings+ = tier 1; 1= tier 2; 0= tier 3. An author will move up in tier after receiving the required number of ratings. I don't know if there's a way to automate this, so I'll put in some measures to show me that it needs to be re-organized time to time which doesn't really take any time effort to do so.

Other various problems fixed and various remain.
Currently there are 7 raters.

[Anonymous No.13894416]

>>13894257
>>Click on epic fantasy
>>1) Wheel of Time
>>2) Wizard's First Rule

that's not what it shows at all: http://bestfantasybooks.com/best-epic-fantasy.html

[Anonymous No.13894418]

>>13894398
That spreadsheet is probably among the worst of any spreadsheet I've ever seen in terms of conveying what the FUCK kind of info it's supposed to.
>There are 7 raters.
So essentially you're saying the list is pointless, because it's the 'consensus' of 7 tripfags in threads that regularly hit 200+ posters

[Anonymous No.13894421]

>>13894398
I don't get it. How do I rate?

[Anonymous No.13894422]

>>13894398
>It's now not sorted by tiers
Is it now sorted by tiers, rather.

[Anonymous No.13894426]

>>13894416
Just ignore him. Homeboy really needs to throw up a trip so we can all just filter him out. All he does is shill his terrible self published eBooks and web novels and mocks anyone that suggest any actual books that have to go through a editor and publisher.

[Anonymous No.13894440]

>>13894418
Did you look at the other sheets?

>So essentially you're saying the list is pointless
It's as much as anyone wants to believe it is.
I just made it a couple days ago, so it's still new.
And there's not nearly that many posters or people using tripcodes.

>>13894421
>>13888360

[Anonymous No.13894444]

>>13894348
>too mainstream to be cool
Yes, that's the whole point of 4chan. We are contrarian by nature, and I think Alan Moore would be proud of us for that.
>from the recommends here I've dropped in a matter of chapters
Hard to respond without knowing what you read. You disliking Wolfe and you disliking Randi Darren warrant different responses.
>based on what he said he liked
He asked about the last 10 years and I answered the question
/sffg/ is better than your nativeland, because of the following reasons:
1) We actually sometimes discuss good books here, ones with literary value. There are mentions of Crowley and Lafferty dropped once in a while, and that's already way better than most online communities.
2) Instead of reading schlock which is popular we read schlock which we like. Almost everyone here has tried reading Sandersons here and disliked them for some reason. Personally I despise how formulaic they are and how their characters are whiny retards. So we seek out other authors instead of circle jerking the same roster of 10 authors. In other words, there's nothing wrong with being mainstream per se, but the lack of karma system, and the inherent contrariness of 4channers ensures that the discussion is at least somewhat varied, instead of reponding "Rothfuss!" to every question.
Whether you like chinkshit litrpg harem or Lawrence is entirely subjective. None of them have any literary value to speak of, so just read whatever you like more. I liked Sanderson once. I have even read all of his older books. But one day I grew up, couldn't take the repetition of the same nonsense again and again, the cringy morals, and Sanderson believing himself to be something he is not. So I ascended to read unapologetic self-inserts.

[Anonymous No.13894463]

>>13894426
You are thinking of a different anon. I am not the self published chart fag. But he is better than you

[Anonymous No.13894476]

>>13894440
I apparently have to leave.
What bad timing.

[Anonymous No.13894499]

>>13894444
>Yes, that's the whole point of 4chan. We are contrarian by nature,
My friend, this isn't 2003-05 era 4chan anymore. 4chan isn't your secret little club house. It's been mainstream for literally over a decade. People like you, who think they HAVE to be contrarian and hat everything even remotely popular are the bottom of the barrel on this site. Most people grew out of that phase, again, literally a decade ago.
>I liked Sanderson once. But one day I grew up,
Nigga you literally are talking about how you are contrarian just to be contrarian because that's what 4chan is known for. Can't say that kind of shit on one hand and then say "nah i GREW UP and stopped reading popular fantasy!" on the other and expect anyone to ever listen to another thing you have to say.

[Anonymous No.13894506]

I'm debating posting some of my writing on RoyalRoad since I saw it mentioned earlier. On the one hand, I think publishing by chapter is bad practice, especially if you read feedback. On the other hand, I don't know if I'd ever even submit a first novel for publication for fear of it being a flop, anyhow. Anyone have experience using the site? Did you find the critique/community more helpful than I expect it is?

[Anonymous No.13894511]

Just finished reading this. It was trash, desu

I remember liking the author's previous trilogy, the First Law, but man was this a major disappointment. Limp-wristed faggotry and reddit-tier storytelling, with none of the great memorable characters like Bloody-Nine or Glokta.

[Anonymous No.13894524]

>>13894257
Thanks for the suggestions. From what I understand after reading a couple of arcticles litrpg seems to me the western equivalent to Isekai (IE: wish fullfillment), am I correct?

[Anonymous No.13894530]

>>13894506
>ask this
>go check another story there
>find the most recent chapter of the first one I see that isn't litrpg
Actually, this seems fucking infuriating

[Anonymous No.13894554]

>>13890867
>>13892241
I've only read The Sunne in Splendour and it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.13894581]

>>13894289
>you guys talk about in here are legitimate shit that literally no one has heard of outside of /sffg/
It's almost like that's the reason we come here.

[Anonymous No.13894596]

>>13894289
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HATE BOOKS THAT EVERYONE ELSE LOVES!!!!

[Anonymous No.13894619]

>>13894596
You're free to hate whatever you want. But when youre idea of "good" is absolute z-list self published web novels and the other shit I see pedaled on here, your opinion on what is good or not comes into question.
Especially when you have guys like >>13894499 literally saying that they only hate certain books because they're popular and that's the 4chan thing to do.

[Anonymous No.13894624]

>>13894596
You're free to hate whatever you want. But when youre idea of "good" is absolute z-list self published web novels and the other shit I see pedaled on here, your opinion on what is good or not comes into question.
Especially when you have guys like >>13894444 literally saying that they only hate certain books because they're popular and that's the 4chan thing to do.

[Anonymous No.13894635]

>>13894624
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE BOOKS NO ONE ELSE HAS HEARD OF!!!!

[Anonymous No.13894677]

>>13894635
You're free to like whatever you want. But when the schlock you guys like is no better or no worse than the popular fantasy schlock, the only difference is the obscurity, any criticism of the popular stuff comes off as incredibly forced, shallow, and basically just a giant meme. Especially since you swear by books that are just as tropey or anti-tropey and poorly written.
You're contrarians just to be contrarians.

[Anonymous No.13894695]

>>13894624
I don't know if this is your first thread or not, but if you had hanged around here for any amount of time you'd know why we thought that you were trying to meme the anon that asked for recs with that shitty list of yours.

[Anonymous No.13894796]

I want to read about sailors, pirates, interesting sea creatures, maybe even a ghost ship.
Is this a good book for that?

[Anonymous No.13894803]

>>13894257
Great, it's another episode of litrpgfag gets triggered by Mark Lawrence.

Every

Single

Thread

[Anonymous No.13894833]

>>13894796
Look at that cover lil' nigga.
It's perfect for you.

[Anonymous No.13894860]

>>13894833
Yeah I mean, based on the descriptions I've read it seems like thematically this is pretty much what I want, but is the book good? Never read anything by the author before.

[Anonymous No.13894867]

Anyone got this ebook? I found the worm outboros but am having trouble finding the rest.
>inb4 go to /r/
Those fuckers can help you find some obscure porn if you describe the a whore's left titty, but they can't help out with books.

[Anonymous No.13894896]

>>13894860
Neither have I, but it's not like you are looking for some quality.

[Anonymous No.13894910]

>>13894860
>is it good
No. It moves at the pace of a snail, none of the main characters are terribly interesting, it's frontloaded with a ton of info dumps, character profiles and backstories, and there's not really much of an actual plot taking place.
It's like a soap opera. Only in book form. And slower paced.

[Anonymous No.13894966]

>>13894896
>it's not like you are looking for some quality.
...But I am

>>13894910
How unfortunate.
Do you know a fantasy book that revolves around sailors and IS good?

[Anonymous No.13895019]

>>13894966
Books? Yes. Stand alone books or #1 in a series that are about sailors and the other stuff you mentioned? Not at all. Check this list though, see if anything pops out.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/15790.Nautical_Fantasy

[Anonymous No.13895041]

>>13894257
How is Delany not in the list of the best living speculative fiction authors?

[Anonymous No.13895060]

>>13894796
>Hot older woman on the cover
Haven't read it but yeah it's good

[Anonymous No.13895084]

>>13894796
this is good. not very much like the movie at all.

[Anonymous No.13895222]

>>13889948
Anon, I was fooled. This is just LitRPG without writing out stats. Cut down on the details the reader doesn't need to know, characters that don't need to be introduced.
Now it reads like an isometric RPG where you talk to everyone and anyone and explore their kitchen pantries to find out what shape their bread loaves are. Or talk to the busy innkeeper who'll happily infodump the entire continent's economics on you

[Anonymous No.13895255]

LitRPG is the absolute worst subgenre of Sci-Fi/Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13895267]

>>13895041
There are better authors out there.

[Anonymous No.13895268]

>>13895255
No that still goes to female protagonist urban fantasy romance.

[Anonymous No.13895284]

>>13895268
Is western haremshit a subgenre? Because that's even more fucking cancerous.

[Anonymous No.13895289]

>>13894511
>It was trash
That's all Abercrombie has ever put out.

[Anonymous No.13895297]

>>13894624
>pedaled
Dammit anon, I agree with you, but it's "peddled". PEDDLED.

[Anonymous No.13895299]

>>13895268
It's not even close. I'd rather read 100 more female protagonist urban fantasy romance novels than read 1 more self insert power fantasy "this wouldn't even make for an entertaining video game let alone book" novels.
They're all trash.

[Anonymous No.13895305]

>>13895297
if you notice there's a handful of typos in there. left them on purpose because i figured it would trigger the fuck out of the guy i was replying to.

[Anonymous No.13895311]

>>13895255
"LITRPG is pretty much what happens when you pry a MMORPG gaming addict off his chair, force him to bang out a few hundred pages of story, then publish the result via the Amazon Kindle Program."

Truth.

[Anonymous No.13895364]

>>13895305
Different anon.
Pretending to be an idiot is never advisable on 4cha because you'll be indistinguishable from all the other teeming hordes of idiots.

[Anonymous No.13895377]

>>13895364
you say that, but acting like an idiot is clearly the 'in' thing for this thread, see all the posts about litrpg and web novels and ebooks and how any actual published author is looked upon with disdain

[Anonymous No.13895412]

>>13895377
>god I’m sick of all these litrpg posters all they talk about is litrpg. Litrpg Litrpg Litrpg Litrpg Litrpg Litrpg. Why wont they just shut up about Litrpg.

[Anonymous No.13895421]

>>13895412
>over 60% of every single sffg thread is about that faggotass ready-player-one bullshit.
>its only YOU that talks about it!
sure thing dipshit.

[Anonymous No.13895447]

>>13893328
Battletech novels

[Anonymous No.13895452]

>>13895447
Anon, he hasn't been out of the loop for 30 years.

[Anonymous No.13895471]

>>13894348
Based
>>13894444
Cringe4x
>>13895299
Based
>>13895284
Based
>>13895311
Based
>>13895289
Cringe
>>13895412
Cringe
>>13895377
It's really just one anon, probably Will Wight, who somehow escaped containment over at r/litrpg and won't stop shilling his book while shitting on everything else. The only author that is almost universally disliked here is Brandon Sanderson, and then usually accompanied by legitimate criticism.

[Anonymous No.13895474]

>>13894301
Funnily enough, I actually started off doing screenplays back in high school as my first attempts at some type of long-form writing. I guess it's a leftover habit.

>>13895222
Admittedly, it was a conscious decision to front-load with worldbuilding down to the tiny details, but you're right, it does end up reading like that for the first two chapters. I'll try and cut down on the fluff in the future. Thanks for starting it at least, Anon.

[Anonymous No.13895497]

>>13895474
Yeah, please don't frontload. I don't think I have ever seen it work. I'll read it some more later to give it a fair shake and give you some feedback

[Anonymous No.13895537]

>>13895471
I legit don't understand the Sanderson hate. Most people just refer to the same "he sucks at writing" criticism and leave it at that, maybe adding that he anything he writes is preteen YA novels, including Stormlight, which just makes no sense to me.
He's not the greatest author in the world, but he's entertaining enough for schlock fantasy. I just don't get the blanket hatred.

[Anonymous No.13895550]

>>13895497
If it's not too much trouble, please send your thoughts to the e-mail address I put down in the "About the Author" section in the back, if you haven't seen it already. That way I'm not likely to miss it like I might on here, especially if this thread is archived before then.

[Anonymous No.13895646]

>>13895537
Sanderson said writers shouldn't bother writing short stories since they're not as popular as full length novels and that focusing on magic systems is important. Those two things alone are enough to make me despise his guts and wish cancerous death upon him and his children. He epitomizes everything I hate about modern fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13895690]

>>13895471
Dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.13895692]

>>13895646
>Sanderson said writers shouldn't bother writing short stories since they're not as popular as full length novels and that focusing on magic systems is important.
fuck that. i know plenty of novels that started out as short stories but got sequels because of how popular they got. also how elaborate a magic system is depends on writing style, narrative and most importantly audience. elaborate autistic magic systems with 3000 circumstantial rules or vague magical guidelines work fine either way if they fit the work that they are in.
sanderson is a fucking idiot and i have a really strong suspicion that he literally lucked out with his success.

[Anonymous No.13895698]

>>13895537
>Most people just refer to the same "he sucks at writing" criticism and leave it at that, maybe adding that he anything he writes is preteen YA novels, including Stormlight, which just makes no sense to me.

He's literally a YA author though.
>Poor, simplistic prose
>Sappy teen girl MC in every book
>Anime storylines
>Autistic attention to irrelevant magic system
>More magic system "world building"
>Re-explaining autistic magic system for the fifth time
>Here comes Hoid, he's got anime hair this time!
>Have I mentioned the magic system in this world yet? Lol it's EXACTLY like all the other ones, except they generate ki by snorting various powders! Let me tell you all about it again like you're a fucking five year old
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

[Anonymous No.13895700]

>>13895537
whatever else last book was just about all anyone would talk about for a month

[Anonymous No.13895708]

>>13895471
this

[Anonymous No.13895726]

>>13895646
I've watched a good amount of interviews and have seen a few years of the class he teaches, and you're basically wrong.
He says that FOR HIM focusing on the magic system is what works, because of the way he's setting up his Cosmere thing. It gives him a starting point for all his stories - how the magic eventually ties back to his meta-Cosmere stuff.
As for writing short stories, AFAIK he's only really said this specifically as advice for the business side of his class, talking to people that want to publish/sell their specifically Fantasy works. He's also using first hand knowledge of that.
He treats his writing like it's his job, which it is, and I can see where that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But he constantly hammers home in practically every one of his lectures that the story and the characters will always come first in terms of reader enjoyment. Paraphrasing, but he's basically said
>If you have a neat magic system but a terrible story and characters to go with it, no one is going to read it, so what good is the magic system in the first place.
Sounds to me like there's a lot of half-truths and people lacking knowledge on the subject, judging by fourth/fifth hand retellings.
Also even IF he said those things, the fact that you wish cancer upon him and his children is fucking insane. No one is stopping you from self publishing your shitty litRPG/harem story. No ones buying it because it's shit, not because Sanderson is a hack.

[Anonymous No.13895759]

>>13895700
To be fair, I actually enjoy the Stormlight books, though I can't stand his writing style or the praise he gets. He has zero artistic talent when compared to the actual kings of the genre. Every criticism of him that I've ever read here and made myself is 100% accurate, but I like the ridiculous Power Rangers battles. If the rest of the series is like the novella though, it's all downhill from here.

[Anonymous No.13895767]

>>13895698
His prose is a bit dry, but that's about the only thing I agree with on that list.

But seriously. You're reading schlock fantasy books and you're complaining that they're schlock fantasy books. That's just such a stupid criticism that I can't wrap my head around it.

[Anonymous No.13895809]

>>13895767
>His prose is a bit dry
Understatement. Sanderson is just a schlocky hack of an author. If you think that's all that fantasy is or can be, you've been reading too many cosmeme books. It's cool that you enjoy it and all, but I despair for the future of the genre with the way his brand has taken off among other reasons

[Anonymous No.13895833]

>>13895537
It's signalling.

[Anonymous No.13895838]

>>13895809
Fantasy has been schlock since well before Sanderson was a part of it, and it will be schlock well after he's gone. Don't act like just because I enjoy schlock it's because I've been reading too many Cosmere books. I hadn't even touched any of his books until sometime last year, and I've been reading fantasy for literal decades. It's all schlock. It comes with the genre.

[Anonymous No.13895854]

>>13889223
can you zippyshare that please?

[Anonymous No.13895861]

>>13895838
>ignorance: the post
No, anon, you either have shit taste, no ability to discern art from trash, or both

[Anonymous No.13895867]

>schlock fantasy

[Anonymous No.13895872]

>>13895861
>any fantasy book, ever
>art

[Anonymous No.13895897]

>>13895872
I pity your lack of reading comprehension, retardanon.

[Anonymous No.13895937]

>>13895897
>he thinks fantasy books are anything other than dime-store trash on the same levels as wine-o romance novels
hey, at least im comfortable in knowing what they are and able to enjoy what i enjoy. youre too busy worried about being kino and reading only the 4chan-approved web novels written by amateurs whos works are only accessible because the internet gives everyone a voice.

[Anonymous No.13895955]

Neal "Cant Write Endings" Stephenson on the ending of Game Of Thrones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DoazODgHy8

[Anonymous No.13895958]

>>13895872
If you read fucking Burando Sandaasu books, you have no business speaking of ART

[Anonymous No.13895971]

I just started reading Gibson. Exactly how much of cyberpunk is attributed to him?

[Anonymous No.13895993]

>>13895958
little insight for ya bud; just because i read modern fantasy like sanderson doesn't mean i havent ready classic fantasy like white or tolkien or zelazny or le guin or peak or lewis or white or any of the classic and greats.
like i said ive been reading this shit for literal decades, i went through my 'older is better' edgy phase like a decade ago, and now im at a point where i understand that 99.999995% of all fantasy is absolute schlock and should be treated like schlock. not that there's anything wrong with it, some people like schlock underground music, some people like schlock b-movies, some people like schlock fantasy novels.
im not the one insecure about my hobbies and trying to project that it's way more intelligent and of value than it is. thats all you bud.

[Anonymous No.13896029]

>>13895971
there are precursors but as distinct genre pretty much all of it, such as it is.

[Anonymous No.13896034]

>>13895971
>attributed
99% of it
>reality
2%
Gernsback Continuum is ten pages long and it's his best cyberpunk "thing"

[Anonymous No.13896049]

Unfortunately for you, your family, your friends, the city you live in, and your sect, but you have offended me

[Anonymous No.13896054]

>>13895955
Interesting
>>13895937
>Soundly beaten by a man of culture
>Heh y-you read chinkshit
I'm not the Will Wight anon
>>13895971
The groundwork and early stuff was from the New Wave guys of the 70s, but Gibson is credited with solidifying it into a subgenre proper. Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson came later and is 110% satirical, but I'd say it's essential if you're reading to get a grasp of the genre

[Anonymous No.13896060]

>>13896054
Currently working through the Sprawl trilogy, will likely get to Snow Crash next.

[Anonymous No.13896067]

>>13896054
>man of culture
>reads fantasy novels
cmon bro, that's just embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.13896071]

>>13896054
the whole Neal Stephenson talk is here btw (1h)
https://theinterval.org/salon-talks/02019/jun/06/neal-stephenson-fall/

[Anonymous No.13896145]

>>13895993
>I am incapable of recognising art, therefore everything is equally worthless, and my YA series is just as good as the masterfully crafted prose of it's betters
I know it's hard, anon, but maybe it's time you accepted that you're a low/midwit

[Anonymous No.13896207]

>>13896145
never said they were as good as the rest, just that it's all schlock and the absolute lowest tier of fiction, and literature as a whole. there's maybe 3 stories in all of fantasy that transcend the genre and actually hold up against real literature. and thats a big maybe.
and while youre busy over here saying im a low/midwit, im just laughing my ass off because you havent realized that you're a low/midwit as well. you're kidding yourself by thinking your better than someone that reads sanderson or lynch or weeks just because you read 'only the good stuff'. if you wanted to read literature with actual depth, meaning, and well written prose you'd step out of fantasy and sci fi.

[Anonymous No.13896307]

>>13896207
I flush most books I try to read, and don't even try that many, but I can name three that stack up against much of what passes for literature these days easy
>BotNS
>Hyperion
>Lord of Light
That's just novels; plenty of short stories I've read are much better. Speaking of those, I remember a part in BotNS where Severain muses on the fact that people of a low class often confuse the rich with aliens because they can only conceive of a single class above their own.

[Anonymous No.13896339]

How did this thread reach 290 posts already?

[Anonymous No.13896381]

>>13896339
15 unique ip’s

[Anonymous No.13896434]

>>13896339
The usual autistic arguments about litrpg sanderson etc.

[Anonymous No.13896537]

>>13896339
autism

[Anonymous No.13896565]

>>13896307
I genuinely pity you.

[Anonymous No.13896675]

>>13895646
Sanderson himself has written short stories

[Anonymous No.13896680]

>>13895471
You're right, except for the Abercrombie anon, he's dead right.

[Anonymous No.13896688]

>>13895726
I love you anon. No homo.

[Anonymous No.13896697]

>>13895861
Go read your Will Wight books, so you can get some "quality."

[Anonymous No.13896706]

Are we having fun yet?

[Anonymous No.13896714]

>>13896339
300 posts by 72 posters.
Probably something like 10 posters or less are 200 posts and the other 62 are 100 posts.

[Anonymous No.13896726]

>>13896339
the two political fuckwits

[Anonymous No.13896733]

>>13896307
This. Comes Now the Power is the height of literary excellence and it's six pages long. If you can read it without misting up there is something wrong with your soul.
>>13896697
Poor bait, but here's your (you)

[Anonymous No.13896757]

>>13896680
No, he's still here, but he bitches more about Mark Lawrence lately, and I'm not entirely sure that it's not all just the litrpgfag

[Anonymous No.13896767]

>>13896680
>>13896757
*Or it might be conanfag hating on all things not S&S, but that dude is generally pretty cool

[Anonymous No.13896811]

>>13896680

[Anonymous No.13896846]

>>13896339
My bad.

[Anonymous No.13896889]

>>13896757
Oh, no. Abercrombie, by far, is the worst fantasy writer I've ever read. Meandering drivel where nothing ever happens. Unfortunately I'm a completest, so I forced myself to finish the First Law trilogy. I was, happily, able to bail out after the first standalone though.

[Anonymous No.13896962]

>>13896889
So, for clarity: what are your thoughts on Mark Lawrence and litrpg?

[Anonymous No.13897010]

>>13896889
>completest
completionist

[Anonymous No.13897029]

>>13896962
Litrpg is he absolute trash of all published works. Lawrence is "meh", the Red Sister trilogy is OK though. Actually, his best work is his Goodreads reviews, those are kino. He should stick to that and give up writing books.

[Anonymous No.13897049]

>>13897010
>completest
Actually, it was a typo, I meant completist.

[Anonymous No.13897066]

THREAD CUNT! BRING ME MORE WINE!

[Anonymous No.13897226]

>>13894440
Updated spreadsheet again.
Columns hidden to mitigate confusion.
Names moved to Guide sheet, along with how to vote on the sheet, changed from being called rate.
Descriptions about stuff added.
Colors and cell size standardized.
Author and number columns set as frozen to view better when scrolling.
Looks a lot better now.

[Anonymous No.13897332]

>>13895854
You really ought to learn how to get stuff yourself, but I'll post it in the next thread.

[Anonymous No.13897359]

>>13897066
>footfags

[Anonymous No.13897470]

/sffg/, I think it's finally over. my urge to write is completely gone

I don't have a purpose anymore

[Anonymous No.13897488]

How long should I wait for someone else to make the next thread?
Before this one is archived and provide a link to the next thread
After this one is archived

Should I change the charts link to go to directly to the science fiction and fantasy folder and only have that one be visible or should I leave it as is?

Is the guy who was doing the google drive uploads gone? Should I just upload them into the mega and it'll be one link?

Should I include the previous threads in the OP as shown here:
>>13888434

[Anonymous No.13897490]

>>13897470
It's easy. Just western xianxia and shill it here. That's what I do.

[Anonymous No.13897492]

>>13897470
Did you look at the manga?

[Anonymous No.13897515]

>>13897492
I gave it a shot but I havent been able to get into much lately. I thought I was swinging towards cooking but in the end I swung right back into DnD again.

I hate to say it, but I feel like this weekly dnd game and the therapy are probably the reason I lost interest. Even when I wanted to write I didn't have enough consecutive nights free to build momentum so I just stopped tryng

[Anonymous No.13897527]

>>13897515
Whenever I DM'ed, which was always in person, I mostly improvised everything as I went along. Too much effort to create that much content ahead of time. That's been a long time ago though. We also played with a rather loose style as well. It's basically cooperative storytelling.

[Anonymous No.13897541]

>>13897490
"Shill" would only be correct here if you were literally Will Wight or a paid promoter who didn't disclose that they were a paid promoter.

[Anonymous No.13897558]

>>13897515
I have a short story that you might appreciate. It won't help you write, but it's relevant to your situation.
https://b-ok.cc/book/1966555/a11b63

[Anonymous No.13897560]

God hate all the shilling of awful, webnovels, litrpg, dumb chink shit .com fantasy stories. Fucking terrible you should all be ashamed.

[Anonymous No.13897563]

>>13897560 How would you prefer it to be?

[Anonymous No.13897571]

>>13897560
Mine at least is an honest recommendation based on his situation and the content of the story. I mentioned it a couple hours ago, but that's just coincidence

[Anonymous No.13897635]

>>13897558
thank you anon. You're right, it didn't get me writing again, but it gave me hope and a direction.

Who does someone with an impacted word colon go to when the pain is too much to bear alone? To others who can share the pain

[Anonymous No.13897771]

>>13888305
What do you think of His Dark Matters? I thnk it's pretty good, altought the
>church bad
stuff is waaay too in your face.

[Anonymous No.13897800]

>>13897771
Do you attend church?

[Anonymous No.13897803]

>>13897800
not really.

[Anonymous No.13897940]

A god-killing star.

[Anonymous No.13897947]

>>13897571
Expect your recommdenations are just as gay as litrpg and you should feel bad about yourself.

[Anonymous No.13897952]

>>13897771
I'm slogged out in the third book. Loved Lyra, love the setting, but honestly couldn't care less about the plot. I've finally picked up other books after a few weeks of ignoring it all because I bought a video game for once and don't know if I'll finish it. I don't even hate Will that much, which I hear can be common

[Anonymous No.13897956]

>>13897947
Are you dyslexic?

[Anonymous No.13897960]

>>13897771
>>13897952

and like the motor moose

[Anonymous No.13897966]

>>13897771
Honestly he didn't really need to introduce those two dope angels and then kill Scoresby and then kill one of the angels just to hurt me and then make the rest of the series so less compelling, so idk if it was worth it

[Anonymous No.13898012]

>>13897956
No, but you are a brainlet

[Anonymous No.13898020]

>>13897956
Also yes, I am

[Anonymous No.13898043]

New Thread
>>13898041