/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13877604]

Which book/s changed your political views?

[Anonymous No.13877613]

>>13877604
On Liberty by John Stuart Mill
Rousseau's political writings
Marx's essays

[Anonymous No.13877620]

Society of Spectacle led to interest in actual marxism and anarchism, stopped being a libtard

[Anonymous No.13877626]

>>13877604
Plato made me a National Socialist

[Anonymous No.13877636]

>>13877604

[Anonymous No.13877641]

The fall of giants trilogy didnt make me a communist but it helped me understand communism and why it didnt work.

[Anonymous No.13877644]

The Holy Bible made me a monarchist.

[Anonymous No.13877781]

>>13877644
>The Holy Bible made me a monarchist.

[Anonymous No.13877973]

>>13877626
>t. Never understood Plato

[Anonymous No.13877992]

>>13877604
Baudrillard made me apolitical

[Anonymous No.13878011]

>>13877992
Same but with pic related.

[Anonymous No.13878041]

>>13877992
>apolitical
Can you actually be truly apolitical?

[Anonymous No.13878052]

>>13877644
The Tao Te Ching* made me a monarchist.

[Anonymous No.13878062]

>>13877604
My diary. I read in my diary that I was involuntarily celibate, so I became an anti-women's rights fascist.

[Anonymous No.13878070]

>>13878062
t. discord tranny

[Anonymous No.13878075]

>>13878041
yes, you just don’t participate in politics because you acknowledge the fact that your political opinions don’t really matter outside of your entertainment. you probably will still have some opinions but you just keep them to yourself and don’t waste time dwelling on them

[Anonymous No.13878112]

Ishmael really blew my mind when I was 16 and read it for the first time. It made me pretty anti-capitalist for a short period of time.

Granted, 10 years later I disagree with mostly everything in the book (TOAL bullshit), so it didn't permanently change my political views, but it was essential in developing my critical thinking skills, if that counts...

[Anonymous No.13878186]

>>13878112
I had a similar experience with Sidgwicks Methods of Ethics. It’s a very honest and open book that concedes a lot of possible criticisms but in my opinion succeeds in establishing a fairly unassailable argument for certain utilitarian positions. Trying to critique it and grapple with the arguments was immensely rewarding and made me a better thinker. In the end I was ultimately convinced of his tripartite ethical taxonomy

[Anonymous No.13878208]

>>13877604
Our guy Ted

[Anonymous No.13878387]

>>13878062
cope

[Anonymous No.13878790]

>>13877604
I used to be a libertarian.
But reading Plato, Epictetus, etc made me become more "fiscally liberal" and "social conservative".

[Anonymous No.13879090]

>>13877604
Heidegger made me stop being a Marxist and have a more nuanced / open minded perspective on politics.

[Anonymous No.13879214]

>>13877604
pic related

[Anonymous No.13879218]

>>13877604

[Anonymous No.13879269]

>>13879090
how so, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.13879390]

not exactly changed, but was able to make clear my uncollected thoughts about how damaging progressive politics are to the democratic party in terms of elect-ability

[Anonymous No.13880227]

>>13877613
>John Stuart Mill
>Rousseau
>Marx
cringe and opiated

[Anonymous No.13880241]

>>13877613
>John Stuart Mill
Nice!
>Rousseau
OH MAN THIS IS AWE
>Marx

<:3

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.13880306]

/pol/ changed my political views more than any of these, but

Jared Taylor - White Identity
Jack Donovan - The Way of Men
Roger Devlin - Sexual Utopia in Power
Louann Brizendine - The Female Brain, The Male Brain
Greg Johnson - In Defense of Prejudice, Confessions of a Reluctant Hater, "Truth, Justice, & a Nice White Country", Old Right Versus New Right
James O'Meara - The Homo & The Negro

[Anonymous No.13880319]

/lit/ is being ironic on marx/"left anarchism", right? RIGHT?!

I don't give a flying fuck about reading the material that made you believe it.

anarchism is stateless/rulerless and therefor makes it impossible to surpress people from engaging in free trade.

it's the inevitable result of leaving people to engage in voluntary interactions.

you could argue that there could be some cooperation between individuals on such a scale with such efficiency that no one is gonna bother with the free market, but we haven't seen even a hint of that efficiency being displayed in the world.

Marxist thought in the form that it has been understood by most, capitalists and self descrobed marxist, contradicts everything we know about human behavior.

even if you are of the opinion that "that wasnt real marxist philosophy"
it doesnt matter, free market perfectly aligns with human behavior and desires where ever it was left to work by a passive state.

come at me faggots

[Anonymous No.13880355]

capitalism and freedom - friedman
race and culture - sowell
road to serfdom - hayak
the prince - machiavelli

didnt change my political stance.. just affirmed it.

[Anonymous No.13880356]

>>13878041
being apolitical is a contradiction, since it only wants to maintain the troubled status quo, which is itself a political act

[Anonymous No.13880379]

>>13880319
>the free market perfectly aligns with human behavior
History paints a very different picture. Our market-based economies have destabilized the world and destroyed ancient traditions. The relative stability of the medieval period was thanks to guild-, clan-, and family-based economies. The only time we see stability in market economies is when they're regulated by a powerful state. The so-called free market is antithetical to human behavior, and without a state market systems quickly consume themselves.

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.13880388]

>>13880356
Most people don't have time to read political philosophy because they have jobs, families, social lives, other hobbies, etc. It's good and humble to not pretend to have political views if you don't, and the only reason anyone thinks their plumber should have "good political opinions" is because democracy gives undue power to people.

[Anonymous No.13880393]

>>13880306
>/pol/ changed my political views
Lol.

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.13880410]

>>13880393
¿Problemo?

[Anonymous No.13880561]

>>13877604
The Lexus and the Olive Tree exposed me to geopolitics and globalist socioeconomic theory for the first time. This was back in the aughts. I knew I hated the idea from the first readthrough, but thinking in a geopolitical fashion opens new ways to hate things that are unavailable to the uninitiated.

I am now convinced that liberalism is the single greatest evil to ever exist in the history of the human race.

[Anonymous No.13881039]

>>13879390
What a strange argument.
I would argue that the main reason for the DNC's 2016 loss was its inability to appeal to the progressive electorate; when they presented a non-progressive, Wall-Street shill, the populous chose a braindead bafoon in her place.

[Anonymous No.13881044]

>>13880306
Suicide is always an option. Please keep that in mind, you utter mong.

[Anonymous No.13881049]

Nietzsche probably or Plato

[Anonymous No.13881053]

>>13880306
God imagine actually reading any of those. Even Taylor (who I think is a reasonable guy) is nothing more than muh muh muh.

[Anonymous No.13881054]

>>13877604
Macron studied philosophy and is a Hegelian. He's probably correct.

[Anonymous No.13881087]

>>13881054
No then he’s probably far from correct desu

[Anonymous No.13881159]

>>13877604
On Liberty, John Stuart Mill
Liberalism, Leonard Hobhouse
A Theory of Justice, John Rawls
Republicanism, Phillip Pettit

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.13881288]

>>13881044
Of course it is, you utter cong.
>>13881053
You don't have to settle for imagining. You can actually do it.

[Anonymous No.13881308]

>>13881039
>bafoon
Oh the irony.

[Anonymous No.13881320]

Do we have political views? Certainly not doctrinal ideology. Not actually does. We have some greater narratives that make us up and we will never budge on. A "change" just means a reinterpretation of those core beliefs through a new vehicle. Gulag Archipelago made me Naz-Bol.

[Anonymous No.13881324]

>>13880319
>the system that's only existed for the last few hundred years and needs a modern centralized state to support it is human nature, the other systems which existed for thousands of years before modern states even existed are not human nature

[Anonymous No.13881434]

>>13881159
You're too centrist, analytical left. Grow up and read some Hegel.

[Anonymous No.13881650]

>>13880379
>History paints a very different picture. Our market-based economies have destabilized the world and destroyed ancient traditions. The relative stability of the medieval period was thanks to guild-, clan-, and family-based economies. The only time we see stability in market economies is when they're regulated by a powerful state. The so-called free market is antithetical to human behavior, and without a state market systems quickly consume themselves.

It's precisely the opposite.
the degenerative Agent is the state, democracy in particular.

The free market is merely a tool, it's neither promoting vice nor virtue but rather whatever society as a whole desires, it can be either.

a bad agent could and never would shill greta thunberg for example, because as even our degenerate society clearly demonstrates: you can manipulate the masses to believe a 16year girl or at least tolerate having her on the news on issues she doesnt know crap about, but no amount of manipulation will make people voluntarily spend their hard earned money for the "cause".

the state and it's anti-market capacity is what is used to extract the cash.

and that is where democracies degenerative ability kicks in.
Politicians corrupt people with promises, because democracy is a popularoty contest, so that is what politicians do.

just look at the DNCs "debate".
there is no selection for intelligence/competence anywhere to be found, just pandering.

that is why authorative states do better with the free market, there is no need to pander, and the result is a less degenerate population.

[Anonymous No.13881754]

>>13881324
>>the system that's only existed for the last few hundred years and needs a modern centralized state to support it is human nature, the other systems which existed for thousands of years before modern states even existed are not human nature

>marxism
>any system apart from feudalism/tribalism
>existed for thousands of years

fucking retard.
and that "argument" is fallacious to boot.
the free market does not rely on a state.

yes it is the most in line with human nature you sophist. it's not even a system, it's not an idea that has been put into practice.

no one had thought up the free market, it isnt anyones invention.
it "happened" or rather evolved quite naturally and only later was given a name /description after it was discovered.
making it the only "system" to do so.

so what's your response to that you little shit?
if something that came into existance in human societies before someone even knew it was there isnt the closest thing to human nature, then nothing is.

deal with it, the free market inevitably comes naturally once societies have developed enough moral sense to abstain from using violence and associated vices.

that's why any form of left/collective anarchy is a beyond retarded idea, as there is no force to prohibit the free market to emerge, if there is, then it's not anarchy anymore. anarchy being the greek word for "without rulers" and all that jazz..

so fuck off you evil filthy leftist/statist

[Anonymous No.13881770]

>>13881754
Not that anon but can you respond without seething so hard? no one even insulted you

[Anonymous No.13881773]

>>13877992
Same but with Derrida

[Anonymous No.13881807]

imagine a computer thats more intelligent that all of humanity combined.
That will happen in our lifetimes.
Some people believe AI wont be able to create art but who knows, maybe it will.
What will humanity do then?
Sports I guess.

[Anonymous No.13881812]

john bellamy foster and paul burkett's *marx and the earth* greatly changed the way i view marx and ecology, although i think they are often far too materialist

derrida's death penalty lectures were extremely influential on me

>>13879218
small is beautiful was a huge game changer for me as well

and arendt's the human condition made me think about politics as the topos of meaning, really got me out of a very apolitical moment

[Anonymous No.13881816]

>>13881754
I've never seen a free market economy spring up without a government anon. There's a difference between examples of exchange, which indeed can come about in nature and an entire economy being run primarily on market exchanges. This most definitely requires a state. You think the poor would tolerate the inequality that results within a modern corporation if there wasn't a military and police to back them up? Strikes would be the least of your problems. Heck, even as a consumer, people might as well form bands to just steal shit from any successful business. And let's say corporations start hiring their own armies, ignoring the effects this alone would have on small businesses (talk about barriers to entry.) What's stopping them from running a black market styled business and settling disputes with other businesses using guns and bombs on the street rather than using words and arguments in a court room? Just threaten anyone who deals your product to pay a fee like any other thug would so you get a monopoly.

Face it, property rights mean nothing if there isn't a state. Capitalism arose under classical liberal theory, not under anarcho capitalist theory. Capitalism, ware evree1 geets ahlong nd no wan youses bilence never fucking happened. Where are these hippies that could make a capitalist economy without a state with a monopoly on violence? Nowhere.

[Anonymous No.13881822]

>>13881807

only in the age of technological rationalism does knowledge consist in the unthinking agglomeration of facts

[Anonymous No.13881939]

>>13881754
Before the modern centralised state we had feudalism, so not a free market. Before that you had the slavery based economies of classical antiquity, so not a free market.

[Anonymous No.13882039]

>>13878011

[Anonymous No.13882078]

>>13877604

Eragon i suppose. Became quite racist and anti globalist after that/diving in the conspiracies with youthful teen vigor

[Anonymous No.13882101]

>>13881822
good post, my friend

[Anonymous No.13882148]

>>13882039
Ride the tiger's cock

[Anonymous No.13882175]

>>13882148

[Anonymous No.13882224]

>>13880319
It would take so much time to explain basic free market economics to you that I'd never get to Marxism in the first place. I suggest you hop off reddit and start reading actual books on political economy. "Free trade" being used as if it means exchange, pseudo markets as if they are real markets, Marxism as if it's Anarchism, none of the even anti-Marxists I've read describe it as you have. "Human behavior" proves "free trade" is going to exist, because I guess deregulating Mexican car factories is coded into our DNA. I know you meant "free market," but true free market policy is basically a dodo and to conflate free markets and something like a Ukrainian pseudo-market is insane, and then to claim either is "human nature." You see my problem, you clearly lack even a day one concept of market economics that I'd have to start from ground floor and never even get to marxism.

[Anonymous No.13882262]

The Kapital made me stop being a communist.
Thanks, Marx!

[Anonymous No.13882274]

>>13877604
Patricia Steinhoff's essays on Japanese activism

[Anonymous No.13882538]

>>13881308
You've never graduated school, did you?

[Anonymous No.13882788]

Theses on the Philosophy of History.
Broke me out of the spell of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.13883064]

Sterner taught me that marxists are retarded and pretending that lumpenproles are my "ally" or that I have an responsibility to them or others is just a way for others to control my happiness and prosperity.

[Anonymous No.13883117]

>>13881754
Imagine being so encapsulated in materialistic thought that you can't even comprehend an alternative to your ideas apart from the other turbo materialistic ideology. the vast majority of cultures in human history did engage in free trade only insofar as it served the primary motive of their society, usually striving for the religious or generally transcendent virtues. the fact that they didn't put consumption taxes on their wares does not equate this to capitalism as we know it today. the fact that property itself was ofttimes subject to religously grounded rules and that not even the body being the property of its' owner was respected in comparision to the greater ideal, from serving the emperor to appeasing the gods annihaltes the mere claim that people were always "capitalist" and that there has always been a "free market" as libertarians imagine it.

[Anonymous No.13883137]

>>13880319
>Muh human nature
How's the eighth grade buddy?

[Anonymous No.13883245]

>>13881054
Where does he seem himself and En Marche! fitting into the dialectic? Has he ever spoken about Hegelianism?

[Anonymous No.13884120]

>>13880227
>>13880241
based skitzo

[Anonymous No.13884815]

The Technological System by Jacques Ellul. I was like damn... not only fuck technology, but also... fuck technique!

[Anonymous No.13885488]

>>13878790
Finally, someone that started with the greeks, and learned from them to

[Anonymous No.13885970]

at last i truly see

[Anonymous No.13886049]

>New Testament
>Pure Land Sutras
>"Politea/Republic" by Plato
>"Fear and Trembling" by Kierkegaard
>"The Geographical Pivot of History" by McKinder
>"Decline of the West" by Spengler
>"Man and Technics" by Spengler
>"Der Friede" by Juenger
>"A Discourse by Three Drunkards on Government" by Nakae Chomin
>Analects of Confucius
>Xunzi

What am I?

[Anonymous No.13886308]

HRO made me zany and deranged

[Anonymous No.13886673]

>>13879214
>400th anniversary edition.
*chuckles in papist*

[emonationalist !!HxQhKkNYVzK No.13886695]

>>13883137
Human nature denialism was what made me abandon Jacques Fresco in high school. Thinking in terms of human natures in the plural seems more useful today though, applying this to different races and "psychological profiles". There are still elements of nature that cover all of humanity though, like the fear of jumping off a tall building for an uncontroversial example.
>>13886049
A cutie patootie.

[Anonymous No.13886800]

>>13877604
Literally nothing, everything being subjective just reconfirmed my views

[Anonymous No.13886807]

>>13877604
Literally nothing, everything being subjective just reconfirmed my views MYTH OF THE NATION NIGGA

[Anonymous No.13886815]

>>13877604
Good books make you apolitical

[Anonymous No.13886880]

>>13885970
Ah, so that's where Georgism comes from. Can I get a synopsis of what you got out of the book?

[Anonymous No.13886891]

>>13877604
The western canon. No-one can walk away from the classics a liberal, let alone a dirty socialist. This thread is proof how little the residents of this board read what is most worth reading.

[Anonymous No.13886899]

>>13886891
I read the Bible and I still love socialism, wat do?

[Anonymous No.13886927]

>>13886899
Quit your god-bothering and start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.13886929]

>>13877644
And a faggot too, by the sounds of it.

[Anonymous No.13886947]

>>13877992
cringe

[Anonymous No.13886969]

>>13877992
same but with Jünger

[Anonymous No.13887253]

>>13881822
what else? "wisdom" only comes with age? or what were you about to say, boomer? if the only thing you have to offer is the time you've been here, you have nothing to offer.

[Anonymous No.13887276]

>>13877604
Leviathan and Democracy - the God that failed
I came to the realization that equality as an ideal opposes all existence. Since I don't want to be a nihilist, I must look for the alternatives.

>>13877781
>Dude, you were supposed to come to other conclusions that I won't bother explaining; I'll just show disdain because I have the moral high ground

[Anonymous No.13887370]

>>13886891
>what is utopian socialism
Christians basically invented the earliest form of socialism
A good Christian can't own a big business or a big share of a business

[Anonymous No.13887393]

>>13877604
The Holy Bible

[Anonymous No.13887827]

I've figured out a way to come up with the perfect political ideology.
For politics neither side likes market socialism.
For economics neither side like keynes.
So the perfect political ideology is keynesian market socialism.

[Anonymous No.13887929]

>>13877604
Gulag Archipelago made me significantly more pro-communist. Stalin DID get the canal built.

I also cum buckets at the thought of all those dead bougies. Communism is locking the doors and lighting the house on fire to spite the master, and it's more based than you can imagine. All those normies who finally got a chance to understand what suffering is, ripped from their cushy jobs and loving families. Don't call Gulag "torture", it's the reality you built. The rest of us have always lived here.

[Anonymous No.13888149]

>>13877604
Homage to Catalonia

[Anonymous No.13888345]

>>13881816
all markets through out time have "sprung up" without a government. How do you think trade was accomplished across tribes in the paleolithic ages? Governments came about as a means to throttle resources with force. Typical of modern intellectuals to just forget that mankind has been around far longer than any form of government, and our ability to trade with each other freely as well.
>B but I did not learn about pre history or biology in the coarse of my public organization degree, and my gender studies professor does not recognize history prior to the 1920's or progress beyond the 1970's
yeah good luck with all that indoctrination

[Anonymous No.13888349]

>>13887929
kek

[Anonymous No.13888361]

>>13888345
>How do you think trade was accomplished across tribes in the paleolithic ages?
Trading what?
Meat and berries?
Trade started with the rise of agriculture.
The tribe elders were probably in charge though, so I guess you could call that a proto government.

[Anonymous No.13888459]

>>13888361
>trading what
>meat berries
>there was never an instance in any history that I was taught whereby tribes interacted, until at least the 19th century, when Marx postulated all things that I believe
the moment human beings realized that there was something better at hand to benefit different groups mutually, trade was started. Just because there is no formal written account of this, does not mean that it has not evolved along with us, and us along with it, without the need for a governing body, or without the need of some power structure telling the mutual participants what their good were worth to eachother.

[Anonymous No.13888502]

>>13888345
Tribes trading goods =/= a primarily market based economy
I don't give a shit if a tribe that killed some buffalo traded some meat for weapons and skins from another tribe. Or if a farmer grew wheat and traded some for grapes. Instances such as these are not examples of economies that are propelled by markets but niche examples of people making trades that are unrepresentative of how economies worked on the whole.

[Anonymous No.13888549]

>>13877604
The Decline of the West, made me stop thinking of how things should be, and start thinking of how things are and how they will be
The Revolt of the Masses, made me realize that liberalism will eventually be the death of itself
Industrial Society and its Future, made me realize that the time for politics is behind us and we should now focus on preparing for the collapse of industrial technological society

My preferred system would be an authoritarian monarchy, but otherwise I'm apolitical

[Anonymous No.13888641]

>>13888502
the point was to illustrate free trade existed before the establishment of government
and if trading goods and services within or without a group is not considered a free market, then what would you call it? Can a market exist without a government? Do you believe there are no markets without government? How many times do you include the government in your daily interactions of mutually beneficial behavior with those around you?

[Anonymous No.13888661]

>>13881822
superbased

[Anonymous No.13888718]

Political Order & Political Decay by Francis Fukuyama

>>13879390
identity politics is a spook

[Anonymous No.13888772]

>>13888641
>free trade existed before the establishment of government
But it didn't. Before the establishment of government and property laws how was there 'free trade'. The more powerful party will always dictate the terms and take what they want. That is no more 'free trade' than the colonial empires practiced with their subject people.
When did this 'free trade' happen?

[Anonymous No.13888863]

>>13877992
>>13878075
reading Baudrillard also made me more disinterested in politics in general
>>13880356
though i can't really disagree with this
>>13880388
i understand what youre saying but those who do not engage in this type of reading or discourse are most likely maintaining the status quo, regardless of any moral judgement on those people

[Anonymous No.13888874]

>>13888772
The more powerful party will always dictate the terms and take what they want
there it is, the history of humanity is the history of the class struggle
If this is how you choose to understand the world, you must understand that at some point, no matter how much you think, say, write down, cite intellectuals, reality will prove otherwise. Human nature is not so simple, nor has it changed, nor can our entire history and experience as a whole, as a species, on this planet, be boiled down to class struggle/power struggle.

[Anonymous No.13888892]

>>13881159
Add some September Group books and this is literally me here.

[Anonymous No.13889122]

>>13878041
Yes
What is known as "politics" is just cheap junk food for the masses.
An ordinary citizen cannot be interested in politics because they have zero access to it.

[Anonymous No.13889246]

>>13877604
Deneen's Why Liberalism Failed and Democratic Faith both were very good
Dugin's Fourth Political Theory
Spengler's Man and Technic and some portions of Decline of the West

Also on top of that just becoming more literate in terms of philosophy and less contemporary fiction in general.

[Anonymous No.13889257]

>>13877604
The five people you meet in Heaven
Was a selfish shithead beforehand
>pleb tier
grow up

[Anonymous No.13889284]

First part of Marx's Capital
Work or Art in the age of Mechanical Reproduction
Capitalist Realism
The Trial

[Anonymous No.13889358]

Oswald Spengler and John Glubb. When began to understand cyclical history, politics lost most of its meaning to me.

[Anonymous No.13889367]

>>13881650
>a bad agent could and never would shill greta thunberg for example, because as even our degenerate society clearly demonstrates: you can manipulate the masses to believe a 16year girl or at least tolerate having her on the news on issues she doesnt know crap about, but no amount of manipulation will make people voluntarily spend their hard earned money for the "cause".
I disagree. People are motivated primarily by urges and emotions. With the right kind of manipulation, you can make people act contrary to common sense and their own interests. That's what PR and commercials are based on. The difficulty is in finding what type of manipulation works for different audiences. See SJW for example.

[Anonymous No.13889394]

>>13888874
>without the government we would be le noble savages

[Anonymous No.13890109]

>>13877626
naaaaah i think /pol/ did that

[Anonymous No.13890148]

kill whitey

[Anonymous No.13890162]

>>13877613
JSM is an absolute legend

[Anonymous No.13891238]

>>13888641
If your point is simply that people occassionaly traded things in the past using bartering, that's fine. You just can't extrapolate from that anything like "we could have an economy driven by market behavior without government." Because again, you are not describing primarily market based economies, but economies that ran on other mechanisms that occassionaly included trade and bartering. The tribes you're talking about were closer to being centrally planned than market based. You are given possible roles based on aptitude. If a tribesman hunts down a buffalo, he may get a bigger cut, but he is obligated to distribute the meat to those who need or are deemed to deserve it without bargaining. I do not conclude from this that we could similarly run a large scale economy the same way we do a small scale tribe of a few hundred at best. But you are making the mistake of not only doing such an extrapolation, but extrapolating from exchanges that didn't even primarily drive those societies.

[Anonymous No.13891262]

>>13877620
you'll always be a libtard, faggot

[Anonymous No.13891267]

>>13877604
Heidegger made me care for ecology
Ted taught me to hate technology
Socrates led me to critique yet accede
(in the Crito and Apology)

[Anonymous No.13891273]

[Anonymous No.13891277]

>>13886673
based

[Anonymous No.13891928]

Made me more Conservative leaning.

[Anonymous No.13891945]

>>13877604
The Decline of the West

[Anonymous No.13892134]

>>13881807
Technology does not necessarily improve exponentially. If we ever see a singularity, or full immersion VR or any of the silly 'futuristic' stuff people get excited about, I'll eat my hat.

[Anonymous No.13892147]

>>13882039
Why not a more European animal? Tigers don't really fit the motif, surely

[Anonymous No.13892160]

I read Marx and it made me anti-communist. Now I try not to be an idealoge.

[Anonymous No.13892175]

>>13880319
Bingo. Was the day I realised that humanity will always, when left to their own devices, trade with each other freely, that I stopped leaning towards socialism. Marxism is statism dressed as anarchism.

[Anonymous No.13892203]

>>13881807
President Joe Once had a dream...

[Anonymous No.13892390]

>>13892147
Because the quote is from an Indian proverb, Evola didn’t make it up.

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>>13892175
>people trade so trade is inherent to human nature
>people cooperate so cooperation is _________

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>>13888863
>though i can't really disagree with this
but it's obviously wrong? someone who is apolitical does not want to maintain the status quo any more than he wants to change it

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>>13877604
Fuck Macron

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>>13877604
a bunch of history of the 70s/80s convinced me that we took the wrong path by letting monetarists take over. everything else miserable in postmodernity slowly flows from that.
but i've decided it's a waste of my time to focus on politics.

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>>13889394
>you need govt to tell you how to be good member of group blah blah blah
no without culture we would be savages
government is a product of culture, not the arbiter, at least in societies which are successful.

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>>13891238
free markets only need govt to protect the individuals from govt, and personal property. The more emphasis put on the need for govt, the less free the market becomes, and the less protections afforded to the individuals. This is the cycle of centralized power. Leviathan leans left, because the bigger it gets, the bigger it wants to get, the more it consumes.

[Anonymous No.13893758]

Revolt Against the Modern World - You know who

Through it I found my faith in God and am re-reading my copy of King James and am in the process of quitting vices and fixing myself so I can enter a more production and traditional state.

I already have a list of Catholic, Hoppe, and Hegel books I want to read, any particular recommendations?

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Pic related managed to ontologically destroy my classical liberalism and allow me to build a model for society that wasn't held back by some pathetic a priori self ownership ethics. This one changed me more than any other nonfiction.

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>>13894007
Nice larp

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>>13894016

Imagine if he wrote about Christianity and some character has to crusade in the name of Christ and btfo's the Roman and Greek characters

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>>13893726
Yeah. So capitalism needs government to exist as the primary economic force. In absence of government, capitalism has never been a primary economic force in society. Even when government has existed, it hasn't always even been the majority economic force, as with feudalism. So how is it again that we're totally and completely sure that it's in our nature to run society based on market exchanges as opposed to centrally planned small communities? It may be more helpful to view this in the way of Aristotle and say that all of these capacities are in our nature, it's merely a decision of which of our capacities we wish to foster.

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>>13893726
Also, seeing as anything ever approximating a nightwatch man state collapsed into including a welfare system with a large collection of regulations, how is it not also in our nature to still have a central authority, even if it is subject to democratic controls?

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>>13877613
These
>>13877604
Road to serfdom
Escape from freedom
Philosophy in a time of terror
Peace and proximity (and other levinas essays)
A theory of Justice
What is property?
Anarchy state and utopia
>>13894007
Definitely interested in this one please elaborate

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>>13888459
>ust because there is no formal written account of this, does not mean that it has not evolved along with us
>trading things is capitalism. trading things is free market. coercion and force were never a part of this process. disadvantageous trade relations never ever existed. i am making gigantic historical claims on extrapolations from the present society based on no actual evidence.
kys

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>>13888874
you're entire argument boils down to "humans are naturally capitalist", retard. If you're basis of argument is that "your argument is reductionist" yours is even more so

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>>13887370
Technically you are wrong but in practice you are right because to own such large things one cannot be tied down by morals, at least in most industries

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>>13877604
>State and Revolution
>Lenin Rediscovered
>History and Class Consciousness
Each of these completely changed my previous understanding of politics

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>>13887370
christianity is apolitical. You're not supposed to give a shit what the political powers are doing in christianity, you're not supposed to care about wealth, you're just supposed to try to live in accordance with God.

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>>13882788
Walter Benjamin was a Marxist and his Theses are about Marxism. Using Benjamin to reject Marxism would be not only to read him wrongly, but also to denigrate his legacy.

Marxism is not just a historical method but a critique of history itself. If you think the progressive historicism of vulgar Marxism is all that there is to Marxism, then you were never a Marxist to begin with. If you do not realize that to critique is to examine possibilities and limitations and not merely to affirm and condemn, you would have realized that Benjamin's contrast of historicism and historical materialism is an immanent dialectical critique that views a contradiction in the terms of how their unfolding simultaneously opens up and closes possibilities for freedom within and beyond bourgeois society.

The point isn't to say this side is wrong and this other side is right. Dualistic readings of Benjamin end up reproducing wretched bourgeois conservatism.