/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13875465]

Books about how zoomers are fucked and they will have no future?

[Anonymous No.13875482]

>>13875465
That conceited little shit deserves to be filled to the brain with cum, her successors bred as barely sapient cumslaves in the course of generations.

[Anonymous No.13875487]

Wish she would realize it's the right trying to save the environment and leftist big megacorps are destroying it

[Anonymous No.13875489]

Can someone explain why everyone is so butthurt about this girl

[Anonymous No.13875497]

>>13875487
Lol

[Anonymous No.13875519]

>>13875487
>leftist big megacorps
Like Koch industries, Shell, Exxon mobile, British Petroleum or Total?

[Anonymous No.13875521]

>>13875489
Because she's the litteral mean of consensus shifting? Because the second She came out the WHOLE MEDIA UNIVERSE turned up in perfect lockstep with environmentalist shit on a scale of shilling NEVER BEFORE SEEN in the history of mankind?
Because, despite the fact that YES; what's happening is exactly THAT obvious, our loved ones are STILL drinking It up to the last drop, FUCKING AGAIN?
tldr: She unironically makes me hope Land is right, and that nothing human comes out alive of the near future and It's good.

[Anonymous No.13875523]

How daaaah you.

[Anonymous No.13875524]

>>13875519
Exactly.
Corps are a perversion of normal economics and an inserción of the state into the economy.

[Anonymous No.13875527]

>>13875489
People handle details better when they can ironically distance themselves from them, and the easiest way to ironically distance yourself from them is to be passive aggressive. Sometimes people are aggressive. Usually that's just personal temperament.

[Anonymous No.13875529]

>>13875521
>Because she's the litteral mean of consensus shifting? Because the second She came out the WHOLE MEDIA UNIVERSE turned up in perfect lockstep with environmentalist shit on a scale of shilling NEVER BEFORE SEEN in the history of mankind?
So she´s doing the right thing?

[Anonymous No.13875535]

Nuclear energy? Ew get away. You need to give money to my friends in the solar industry.

[Anonymous No.13875536]

God i despise child political figureheads

[Anonymous No.13875538]

>>13875519
I can guarantee that every single one of those corporations has a pro-open borders immigration stance and an HR department that puts out value statements functionally identical to that of anything your average DSA member or Google employee believes.

[Anonymous No.13875544]

>>13875529
>medias are with her! She must be doing good!
Sure. The side the medias are on a certain issue is a 100% good way to decide who's right and who's wrong. Like when that guy from the NYT went to Russia in the '20s and forgot to mention the fucking holodomor, and wrote "I've seen the future and it works".
Surely THAT's the right way to understand an issue. Just Listen to a paid shill.

[Anonymous No.13875546]

Reminder there is nothing conservative about being anti-environmentalist.

[Anonymous No.13875548]

>>13875546
Non sequitur

[Anonymous No.13875549]

>>13875529
Why is the US being constantly lambasted over climate change and not other countries that are bigger offenders to the environment?

[Anonymous No.13875551]

>>13875538
What´s DSA? Some kind of free market organization?

Here´s their PR departments btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercatus_Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Humane_Studies

[Anonymous No.13875555]

Has anyone got the ten hour video of this webm with 'Hoes Mad' as the soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.13875558]

>>13875544
Please tell me how trying to prevent mass human suffering because of climate change is wrong Anon

Also this thread doesn't belong on /lit/, /pol/tards time to prune this shit

[Anonymous No.13875559]

>>13875465
Is greta deep eco pilled? What actions has she proposed?

[Anonymous No.13875562]

>>13875558
>Please tell me how trying to prevent mass human suffering because of climate change is wrong
It requires a dictatorship

[Anonymous No.13875563]

>>13875544
Everyone is a paid shill, welcome to capitalism. Now shave away the ideology and look at the substance. It´s "Less pollution vs. more consumption", everything else is distortion.

[Anonymous No.13875564]

>>13875562
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.13875566]

>>13875562
That´s somehow worse than plutocracy?

[Anonymous No.13875568]

>>13875563

[Anonymous No.13875571]

>>13875566
With the plutocracy we can still fly to Spain for our holidays. Greta requires a dictatorial world government to completely eliminate human freedom in order to achieve her aims

[Anonymous No.13875576]

>>13875538
yea I bet those corps would love there means of production being seized by the workers
>you fell for the cultural leftist meme
only thing that counts is economics

[Anonymous No.13875577]

What people don't understand is that it isn't corporations, government or "humans" driving the consumption of oil and its associated pollutions but a literal demon which we no longer have control over. Read Cyclonopedia and fanged noumena. If you need an anime representation of this idea, think of Texhnolyze, Blame! or maybe the Homunculus Father from Full Metal Alchemist

[Anonymous No.13875582]

>>13875558
> le climate change
Yes, yes, the sky is definitely falling and will positively, this time for sure, fall any day now.

t.posting from underwater New York that was supposed to be flooded in 2001.

[Anonymous No.13875583]

>>13875558
>Please tell me how trying to prevent mass human suffering because of climate change is wrong Anon
She's not preventing shit You dumbass shes shilling for more big ecology internationsl treaties so that the big corps you "hate" so much can take an even bigger alive of the cake.
>>13875563
>"Less pollution vs. more consumption"
Nothing to do with actual pollution.
What it is about is that Mc Donald, Exxon etc can afford to pay more eco-taxes, and your dad's little company fucking can't and will close and be bought by the real bosses.
They can't stand the idea of NOT BEING THE WHOLE ECONOMY.

[Anonymous No.13875585]

>>13875487
Lol

[Anonymous No.13875587]

>>13875465

[Anonymous No.13875589]

>>13875582
Please leave this board, I want our average iq to be above 100 again

[Anonymous No.13875590]

So many of the climate alarmists remind me of the Dawkins type atheists of a few year ago. They have such strong opinions but they don't really know what the hell they're talking about. It's annoying because if we actually did half of what they wanted there would be so much destruction but they're too shortsighted to see it. That's leftist politics in a nutshell.

If they would just focus on reducing pollution and cleaning the environment I could get on board, but the west is wasting billions of dollars on funding solar energy research which is going nowhere.

[Anonymous No.13875592]

>>13875576
>yea I bet those corps would love there means of production being seized by the workers
They loved it in soviet Russia didn't they? Or did You change narrative again?

[Anonymous No.13875593]

>>13875558
>Please tell me how trying to prevent mass human suffering because of climate change is wrong Anon

Because to prevent the mass human suffering you have to cause mass human suffering.

[Anonymous No.13875594]

>>13875559
Raising taxes

[Anonymous No.13875595]

>>13875489
human shield

[Anonymous No.13875597]

>>13875582

[Anonymous No.13875598]

>>13875589
>seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeething

[Anonymous No.13875599]

>>13875571
I support Greta´s authority to deny you the plane. Take a train, it pollutes less.

[Anonymous No.13875601]

>>13875593
This. I'll take my chances with the sea level rather than give these people the power they want

[Anonymous No.13875604]

>>13875594
Killing McDonalds competition

[Anonymous No.13875608]

>>13875598
>Of course the earth isn't flat dum dums, science says so
>Of course facts don't care about your feelings, there are only two genders
>C-climate change? Lol, I don't feel anything so it can't be real

[Anonymous No.13875611]

>>13875583
>Nothing to do with actual pollution.
It´s all about the pollution. Everything else is ideological rationalization.

>can afford to pay more eco-taxes
Then do more, the struggle doesn´t end with taxes.

[Anonymous No.13875612]

>>13875592
that's why we have all those succesful russian corporations.
monopolies and big corps are right wing economics.
it's a fact, just because they pretend to be leftist for the media doesn't mean they are. the only reason they hang a gay flag around is for money. and who love to make money in muh free market. the right

[Anonymous No.13875617]

>>13875589
Imagine believing in le man made climate change scam. Read Björn Lomborg and Richard Tol.

[Anonymous No.13875620]

>>13875608
No, climate change as currently being proposed is a failed theory and has been actively disproved. You're the only antiscientists not realizing This.
>>13875612
>that's why we have all those succesful russian corporations.
>hurrrdutrrrreeee what's gazproooom
>>13875611
Litteraly learn to code.

[Anonymous No.13875623]

>>13875521
Notice How the lefties are avoiding addressing the actual point proposed.

[Anonymous No.13875627]

>>13875623
>actual point proposed.
Which is?

[Anonymous No.13875630]

>>13875576
>yea I bet those corps would love there means of production being seized by the workers
modern leftists wouldn’t be able to tell the difference as long as a black tranny is CEO

[Anonymous No.13875636]

>>13875627
That this is all a mediafest organized by the same corporations She """"""opposes"""""""

[Anonymous No.13875641]

>>13875617
>Friel has said he found "misrepresentation of academic research, misquotation of data, reliance on studies irrelevant to the author’s claims and citation of sources that seem not to exist"
Whoopsie

[Anonymous No.13875642]

>>13875636
So the corps are playing the both sides? For what purpose? And can you prove it?

[Anonymous No.13875644]

>>13875642
It's like with the joos. They control everything, even antisemitists

[Anonymous No.13875647]

>>13875620
>gazproooom
>names one corp
kek the one big corp in russia that got created after the fall of communism.

wich sides is against taxes.
>the right
which side is for open free markets
>the right
wich side doesn't like regulation
>the right
wich side doesn't like goverment
>the right
who loves all of the above?
>big corps

so tell me again how corporation are leftwing?
ah yes because muh gay flag they wave around to make money. or is it muh immegrants?
no no no it must be because corporations love left economics it must be that

[Anonymous No.13875650]

>>13875642
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/02/24/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-a-decade-of-social-manipulation-for-the-corporate-capture-of-nature-crescendo/

This is written from a far-left pro-environmental position btw.

[Anonymous No.13875652]

>>13875642
It's like the companies who use the rainbow flag to show they are "progressive". Virtue signalling just as advertisement

[Anonymous No.13875655]

>>13875630
sad but true

[Anonymous No.13875662]

>>13875641
They're literally screeching "FaKe nEwS!!!!!" at him for exposing their big money scam. Also:
>Whoopsie
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.13875668]

>>13875630
Then why are you calling them leftists

[Anonymous No.13875669]

>>13875641
> le argument from authority
Cool. Lovin' all that "climate science", buddy.

[Anonymous No.13875670]

>>13875650
What corps she claims to oppose fund her?

[Anonymous No.13875676]

>>13875662
>Who is more correct: one political scientist who wanted to profit off of a controversial opinion or hordes of actual biologists, research and other more qualified people

Please go back to fucking /lol/ retardo, we get it climate change not real, Greta bad, Soros soros

[Anonymous No.13875690]

There is no real consesus supported by the majority of the scientific community on climate change. It's just one small part that's getting corporate media exposure. I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.13875701]

>>13875642
Mark Fisher wrote about a similar issue

"The problem that the Vampires’ Castle was set up to solve is this: how do you hold immense wealth and power while also appearing as a victim, marginal and oppositional? The solution was already there – in the Christian Church. So the VC has recourse to all the infernal strategies, dark pathologies and psychological torture instruments Christianity invented, and which Nietzsche described in The Genealogy of Morals. This priesthood of bad conscience, this nest of pious guilt-mongers, is exactly what Nietzsche predicted when he said that something worse than Christianity was already on the way. Now, here it is …

The Vampires’ Castle feeds on the energy and anxieties and vulnerabilities of young students, but most of all it lives by converting the suffering of particular groups – the more ‘marginal’ the better – into academic capital. The most lauded figures in the Vampires’ Castle are those who have spotted a new market in suffering – those who can find a group more oppressed and subjugated than any previously exploited will find themselves promoted through the ranks very quickly."

[Anonymous No.13875703]

>>13875690

[Anonymous No.13875709]

>>13875482
That’s gonna be a yikes for me

[Anonymous No.13875717]

>>13875690
I wonder why you’re so stupid anon. Could it be that you just reiterate anything that sounds good to you

[Anonymous No.13875723]

>>13875701
>(((Fisher)))
>Talks about someone else playing the victim

[Anonymous No.13875727]

>>13875703
Ridiculous, even /pol/ makes more believable infographs.
>>13875717
>being a catty passive-aggressive faggot
wtf climate change is real now all of a sudden

[Anonymous No.13875730]

>>13875723
What are you even implying?

[Anonymous No.13875732]

>>13875544
Kek, because everyone in Russia was talking about the Holodomor in government offices.
Same as everyone today talks about post-liberalism killing 10 million a year.

[Anonymous No.13875739]

>>13875571
An eco dictatorship could be pretty based. If I was in charge at least.

[Anonymous No.13875742]

>>13875727
Thanks for confirming you're from /pol/ faggot
Now go back to your containment board

[Anonymous No.13875745]

>>13875727
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301247690_Consensus_on_Consensus_A_Synthesis_of_Consensus_Estimates_on_Human-Caused_Global_Warming
An easily-digestible paper, for (you)

[Anonymous No.13875746]

>>13875703
That's only consensus on if humans impact the climate or not though, not how much we impact it or what that impact means.

If that lump of weaponized autism really cared she would advocate massive nuclear power investments instead of being a scared little bitch.
She created though and not genuine, it's kinda sad how her autism has been weaponized by her predatory parents.

[Anonymous No.13875747]

>>13875577
>anime philosophy
Not even once.

[Anonymous No.13875755]

How the fuck does something like protecting the environment, which benefits everyone, become such a politically dividing shit?

[Anonymous No.13875758]

>>13875739
>Deny people social media and reduce usage of electronics
>Lynch marketeers and tear down billboards
>Give people some land to work, instead of relying on mass agriculture for everything

This would unironically bring more freedom, than the shit we have now.

[Anonymous No.13875759]

Was his rant against her justified? I mean at least she wants to do something about the enviroment

[Anonymous No.13875765]

>>13875755
Because smiling and saying you want to do something /=/ actually taking measures to make sure something happens

[Anonymous No.13875767]

>>13875755
The answer is once again:
Murifats.

[Anonymous No.13875769]

>>13875747
Anime is a more potent medium for philosophy than literature. This was revealed to me by Wittgenstein

[Anonymous No.13875772]

>>13875765
>That's why I'm going to deny anything is happening at all instead of actually rallying public attention to an important issue. Heh, kinda hard to be high iq all of the time

[Anonymous No.13875774]

>>13875739
>>13875758
Based. Let’s get this anon in charge

[Anonymous No.13875775]

>>13875755
We live in American-controlled, consumer society.

Unlike the gay and minorities shit, this issue would actually demand real action and real transformation of society.

[Anonymous No.13875776]

>>13875755
>he thinks the CO2 ponzi scheme is about protecting the environment

[Anonymous No.13875777]

>>13875769
>Anime is a more potent medium for philosophy than literature.
Wow. I’m trying not to derail this amazing discussion but, wow.

[Anonymous No.13875783]

>>13875776
American economy is ponzi scheme. See-oh-two thing could bring it down.

[Anonymous No.13875784]

>>13875772
It's been in the public's attention for decades but unfortunately having a spokesperson coming along every few years to warn us and buying biodegradable starbucks cups hasn't actually done much to solve the issue

[Anonymous No.13875785]

>>13875745
What is manufactured consesus? What is exlusion of non-consenting scientists from consesus forming boards?

[Anonymous No.13875786]

>>13875776
Is it the something something Jews again

[Anonymous No.13875789]

>>13875755
(((americans)))

[Anonymous No.13875792]

>>13875758
Not bad, but I was thinking something more like a lottery system. There would be competitions to use up the final stores of oil, things like shipping Americans to the moon and Israel, and a month long killdozer competition to clear out suburbs and useless city buildings, seedbombing the cities etc.
Winners would get positions in the government. Small production of oil may continue for the yearly killdozer competitions. Glownigs would be replaced by independent cells of Uncle Ted followers.

[Anonymous No.13875794]

>>13875785
Who are the non-consenting scientists being excluded?
Inb4 your dad’s friend who watches the sun through his binoculars

[Anonymous No.13875795]

>>13875465
The whole system of politics is not made for the purpose of saving the environment. Why people push that problem into that God forsaken realm is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.13875796]

>>13875783
How retarded are you? The only thing this whole CO2 business is going to bring down is the living standards and pensions of the middle and working classes and the US is going to be affected by it the least.

[Anonymous No.13875797]

>>13875703
What part of the scientific method says "If everyone agrees with you, the science is correct"? I forget

[Anonymous No.13875799]

>>13875759
post it

[Anonymous No.13875800]

>>13875777
gb2r

[Anonymous No.13875801]

>>13875797
That graph was posted in refutation to the notion that the prevailing opinion, in the media, is a small minority.

[Anonymous No.13875802]

>>13875785
>There is no proven consensus or statistics about it
>Here you go
>It's manufactured, read this book by a person who is completely unrelated to the field
God, please save us from this abyss of retardation

[Anonymous No.13875805]

>>13875759
He's still active? What a tenacious bastard

[Anonymous No.13875806]

>>13875755
Protecting the environment would require the immediate extermination of 80% of the world population, 99% of which would be China and India. That's why. It's absolutely unsustainable to keep 7 billion or more people alive on Earth, maybe 500 million could be sustainable. Any other "solution" is more similar to trying to bail out the Titanic with an empty ice cream bucket.

[Anonymous No.13875809]

>>13875777
Go easy on xer, accelerationists are a bit slow.

[Anonymous No.13875815]

>>13875769
No bait, just my real thoughts. My social and emotional intelligence is likely higher than yours, I work with many differnt people on a daily basis on my job. I do find many good people there & even more from the large group of stupid people, out of which a small portion makes no secret out of the fact that they would like to make you kill yourself.
My workplace is filled with grade A people only, but I guess I'm not the only one hearing abhorrent stories from relatives who participate in real life, stories from work or private life, where again the stupidity of the large part of humanity is presented to you.
I want these people to burn. Who can blame me for liking Nick Land?

Just finished watching this lecture about how society will collapse soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8
Land's dream will become true soon, mabye even during his lifetime. I am awaiting it in joyful anticipation. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.13875818]

>>13875796
Nigger, how much money are you fucks putting to maintain global control over oil? How many people have you murdered to fuel your oversized cars? Aren´t you fucks planning to invade Iran atm?

[Anonymous No.13875820]

>>13875759
Isn't Linkola dead? Far as I know he died before Greta got into the spotlight

[Anonymous No.13875823]

>>13875745
Only 29% of the scientists that received the questionnaires this "consent" is based on actually responded.

[Anonymous No.13875827]

>>13875815
You remind me of Kefka from Final Fantasy VI. Intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.13875828]

>>13875815
thanks

[Anonymous No.13875829]

>>13875820
He's presumed to be dead but that's just because he lives so far off the grid barely anyone is in communication with him

[Anonymous No.13875830]

>>13875755
Because the Dums are lying. We've had extreme winters the past ten years, as well as winter into June and July in Texas.

Carbon taxes are bolshevism and man cannot have an effect on the environment.

McCarthy was right, now the Dums are using kids to try and manipulate capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13875832]

>>13875823
>How do statistics work

[Anonymous No.13875833]

>>13875818
Lol, I'm European you sperg. Just goes to show how brainwashed you climate zombies actually are.

[Anonymous No.13875839]

Theyre closing nuke plants left right lmao. Its all just a power play to shake some shekels out of you

[Anonymous No.13875840]

Greta vai Linkola?

Kriittisten äänien mukaan se, että Greta Thunbergin olemisesta syntyy jotain päästöjä on merkki siitä, että Greta on feikki ja kaikki on turhaa. Tämä täydellisyyden vaatimus on tuttu taktiikka myös muista keskusteluista, jotka liittyvät esimerkiksi moraalisiin kysymyksiin.

Mutta on tässä tullut toinenkin huomio. Olen nimittäin ollut havaitsevinani, että suhtautuminen Gretaan on tyystin erilaista kuin suhtautuminen Linkolaan, vaikka molemmat ovat pohjimmiltaan samalla asialla. Piti ihan kirjoittaa blogi:

"Eli siinä, missä Gretan (ja kansainvälisen ilmastopaneeli IPCC:n, tiedemaailman noin laajemminkin sekä lukuisten ympäristöjärjestöjen) viesti on punaviherhaihattelua, niin Linkolan nihilistiset ja semi-fasistiset arviot ovat ihan hyviä. Tämä on sikäli ihan kiinnostavaa, että Linkolan viestit ympäristöön liittyen ovat olleet vuosikausia hyvinkin yhteneväisiä (meidän) viherpiipertäjien viestien kanssa. Eli onko jälleen niin, että media is the message ja itse viestiä tärkeämpää on se, kuka sen välittää?

Ehkä Linkolan tekee helpommin lähestyttäväksi viherallergikoille se, että hänen – varsin radikaalit – ratkaisuehdotuksensa ovat olleet sovitettavissa omaan arvomaailmaan. En kuitenkaan oikein hahmota, kuinka on samalla mahdollista ylistää Linkolan viesti ja kyseenalaistaa Gretan viesti ympäristökriisistä.

Tai, no, onhan se tietysti ihan eri asia, jos vaatimus elämäntapamme muuttamisesta tulee keski-iän ohittaneelta mieheltä eikä teini-ikäiseltä tytöltä

[Anonymous No.13875841]

>>13875806
Nah, we could keep up around the billions with reduction of consumption and more efficiency. If we were to take radical action, nuking USA would do the trick.

[Anonymous No.13875845]

>>13875833
How does that disprove the point, retard? Also leave this continent.

[Anonymous No.13875846]

>>13875772
Lmao why do leftoids still think MUH AWARENESS fucking means anything anymore. What is your actual plan retards?

[Anonymous No.13875850]

>>13875840
What does this say? I can't read elvish

[Anonymous No.13875851]

>>13875755
It became a problem as soon as "protecting the environment" became "let's destroy our economy and transfer wealth to third world countries."

[Anonymous No.13875854]

>>13875846
Recycle more and ride bikes more often

[Anonymous No.13875856]

>>13875850
SUOMI PERKELE PERKELE

[Anonymous No.13875857]

1) Two degrees more is not gonna cause ANY of the catastrophic scenarios the climate alarmists are prophetizing. This is fear tactics to make people panic and radicalize them in a dangerous way.
2) Human activity is not responsible for that anyway.
3) Most CO2 polluters are actually India and China, none of which are sermoned by the religious and millenarist climate saints.
4) How can you "save the planet" with open borders? The first ecological principle should be demographics and none of the "red-greens" are concerned about population migrations. Why is that? Africa's population will be a direct threat to the whole world in less than a few decades. That's more ecological thinking than any of the Greta and IPCC crap.
5) In France, Greta was invited by our government to lecture our politicians, the exact same day the CETA (free trade agreement) was to pass. Someone in the audience asked Greta what she thought about that CETA which is another corporate, globalist money-loving scam. She had no comment on the CETA, "listen to the science".
6) Ultimately, this ecological show is a subversive tool used by the hyperclass elites to push Global government control.

Here's a funny little anecdote. A former French politician wrote a book about what he saw in his years of politics. He recalls a meeting in 2007 in the EU of the Trilateral commission in which the oligarchs (the elites that actually control your politics and your mind) were carefully talking about climate change in the years to come. 12 years ago. They were arguing about how children should be conscious about saving the planet, instead of their village, or their local tree. See the results today?

Even in /lit/ so many uninformed and naive brainlets, it's scary.

[Anonymous No.13875859]

>>13875846
>What is your actual plan retards?
Reduction in car usage, improvement of rail networks to replace trucks, reduction of meat consumption, reduction of air travel, overall reduction of unnnecesery consumption, investment in nuclear and renewable energy etc.

[Anonymous No.13875860]

>>13875465
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
Yea they are wrong again

[Anonymous No.13875861]

>>13875845
You haven't made one.
>Also leave this continent.
No, criticism has been growing rapidly over the past months. People are starting to see through the "Church of CO2".

[Anonymous No.13875863]

>>13875851
Can you show some examples of wealth being transferred to the third world?

[Anonymous No.13875866]

You know I had some hopes for this board the last few weeks ever since I started lurking again, but this thread alone destroyed all of it.

[Anonymous No.13875867]

>>13875863
The Paris Climate accord

[Anonymous No.13875870]

>>13875859
None of that is realistic under capitalism

[Anonymous No.13875871]

None of you are alive, everyone in this thread is dead.

[Anonymous No.13875873]

>>13875857
1) wrong
2) wrong
3) wrong (china became largest, but USA still leads in per capita by far margin)
4) irrelevant
5) irrelevant
6) wrong

[Anonymous No.13875874]

>>13875857
Whats the book?

[Anonymous No.13875876]

>>13875867
That's doing the direct opposite

[Anonymous No.13875880]

I hate americans so much

[Anonymous No.13875881]

>>13875861
I´ve negated your claim (>>13875776) and backed it up with factual behaviour of global hegemon.

[Anonymous No.13875886]

>>13875880
Americans are hardly half the people in this thread. Stop letting them live in your head rent free

[Anonymous No.13875887]

>>13875870
Well...

[Anonymous No.13875890]

>>13875881
No anon, you just went on a twitter-woke rant, look:
>Nigger, how much money are you fucks putting to maintain global control over oil? How many people have you murdered to fuel your oversized cars? Aren´t you fucks planning to invade Iran atm?

[Anonymous No.13875893]

>>13875890
Yes, that´s factual behaviour of global hegemon. They wage wars to control global supply of oil, they are incredibelly wasteful and they are conspiring against Iran. Do you find these claims wrong?

[Anonymous No.13875896]

>>13875755
Well, stop eating meat, watching porn on lcd screens and driving them.

[Anonymous No.13875897]

>>13875876
No, it isn't. The agreement takes funds from developed countries and "compensates" countries like China which are considered undeveloped.

[Anonymous No.13875905]

>>13875896
>stop eating meat
Done
>stop watching porn
done
>stop driving
done!
Funny, I’m not a radical environmentalist either, these are just my lifestyle choices. Eat vegetarian, have sex, and walk to work. I recommend this life to all of you.

[Anonymous No.13875910]

>>13875893
Yes. They are also irrelevant to this thread.

[Anonymous No.13875913]

>>13875910
It´s relevant to the chain starting with >>13875776.

[Anonymous No.13875916]

>>13875482
>NOOOOO HOW DARE A CHILD SEE HOW RETARDED I AM!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.13875917]

>>13875815
this is a very well informed lecture, I recommend watching it

[Anonymous No.13875918]

>>13875905
I'd rather this world burns down before I give up on private transport and animal products.

[Anonymous No.13875926]

>>13875918
Anon, I love animal products. I’m not vegan. That said, I do try to buy locally because the egg and dairy industry is fucked. If my job required it, I would also drive. Luckily, it doesn’t, so I don’t.

[Anonymous No.13875933]

Literally just make the like 5 companies that do most the polluting make less of it. DUDE JUST STOP DRIVING AND USING AIRPLANES AND MUNCH ON VEGATABLES IN YOUR UNDERWEAR

[Anonymous No.13875934]

>>13875776
It's really concerning that so many buy into that. Even on 4chan. /lit/ even more. What the fuck.
It's absolutely CLEAR that the globalists are using climate change as a pretext for getting money anywhere and everywhere. Supposedly for "saving the planet" when in truth it will only destroy first world economies, divide us and benefit the oligarchs.

This thing will eventually brings us into a partisan war. It's already written.

[Anonymous No.13875938]

>>13875617
>Richard Tol.
Based
First link is in German, second is in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00iXUkHUmbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lCWDeoWzo

[Anonymous No.13875945]

>>13875934
>globalists are using climate change as a pretext for getting money anywhere
>destroy first world economies
>benefit the oligarchs

This idiocy is just one more reason to hate americans.

[Anonymous No.13875947]

>>13875934
>hurr durr muh globalist marxist jooz

lol okay retard

[Anonymous No.13875948]

i passionately hate mureekans
fucking pea-brain subhumans

[Anonymous No.13875953]

ye keep using america as the punching bag because it distracts from other harder enemies in the environmental stage. imagine her telling the chinese, indians, middle eastern oil barons that they should 'tone it down'. europoor lefty cucks dont know who will defend them when shit goes down and their eastern neighbors go haywire.

[Anonymous No.13875955]

>>13875945
>everything bad is america!

[Anonymous No.13875956]

>>13875755
Dumb amerimutts as always fucking the whole world up. Im 100% sure that every anti enviromental poster in here is a fucking dumb burger

[Anonymous No.13875957]

>>13875786
>>13875947
Nobody except you has mentioned Jews, you retard.

[Anonymous No.13875958]

>>13875934
Sometimes, I feel like I’m watching people play that mafia game where you sit in a circle with your eyes closed and, at ‘night’ somebody is ‘killed’ by the mafia. Then, in the morning, everyone keeps accusing the other of being mafia and talking over each other, etc.

Really, if you submit to the notion that this is some massive plot (for or against) devised by either Big Oil or Globalists, you’re just watching something totally out of your control.

[Anonymous No.13875961]

>>13875957
(((okay)))

[Anonymous No.13875962]

>>13875955
That is correct.

[Anonymous No.13875963]

>>13875947
marxists and globalists are polar opposites

[Anonymous No.13875964]

>>13875759
Did linkola attack her? Why? It seems that he would support her

[Anonymous No.13875966]

>>13875957
I just asked if Jews were the culprit, yet again. They always seem to be the villain in these narratives

[Anonymous No.13875967]

>>13875806
it's better to just nuke america desu. yes india and chine pollute more but not on a per capita base
killing americans is more efficient since 1 dead american is better for the enviroment than 1 dead indian

[Anonymous No.13875968]

>>13875487
Your brain is fucked

[Anonymous No.13875970]

>>13875956
>>13875948
>>13875967
Why is everyone bringing up America. Are you going to ignore the rest of the world is doing the same thing? If America disappeared nothing would change

[Anonymous No.13875971]

>>13875769
Based

[Anonymous No.13875973]

>>13875963
that doesn't stop /pol/

[Anonymous No.13875974]

>>13875963
no, see Comintern for more

[Anonymous No.13875975]

>>13875966
Ron Unz's latest:
American Pravda: Understanding World War II

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

[Anonymous No.13875977]

>>13875970
If America disappeared the world would be a lot better

[Anonymous No.13875978]

>>13875487
If this post is any indication, the fad of being right wing is nearing peak saturation, thank God, feels like it took forever

[Anonymous No.13875979]

>>13875538
You're the most stupid human being on Earth right now. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.13875980]

How come nobody cares about Mexico dumping its sewage into the oceans and having it move up and fuck our coasts? Fucking climate change.

[Anonymous No.13875981]

>>13875871
That means the CO2 etc must be stopped by 2000, retard.

[Anonymous No.13875983]

>>13875963
huh?

[Anonymous No.13875984]

>>13875620
>climate change as currently being proposed is a failed theory and has been actively disproved.
your source? other than your head?

[Anonymous No.13875985]

>>13875977
They are just an easy target but it isn't accomplishing anything to just blame them for everything while its a global problem

[Anonymous No.13875987]

>>13875558
And how exactly is taxing the shit out of non-chinese/indian companies and giving money to governments going to help?
Also how old are you? Because I doubt you wouldn't be at least slightly skeptic about this whole "climate change" call-to-arms if you lived through the 80's and 90's where the same (if not even more apocalyptic) rhetoric was being throw around. Hell, in 2006 Al Gore was claiming that in less than a decade the polar ice caps would've melted completely.

[Anonymous No.13875992]

>>13875970
>If America disappeared nothing would change
If they disappeared two decades back, the world would be much better place now and there would be much less pollution.

[Anonymous No.13875993]

>>13875519

i dont know why brainlets hate oil companies, without these companies, you would be going back to living like a medieval person, they are much more important than trashy social media compnaies

[Anonymous No.13875994]

>>13875970
i have more faith in the chinese insects to start doing something in the next years than burgers

[Anonymous No.13875995]

>>13875980
It's America's fault what other countries are doing

[Anonymous No.13875996]

>>13875963
>I'm ignorant of neo-cons and trotskystes.

[Anonymous No.13876002]

>>13875970
because amreekans are solely responsible for the shitshow

[Anonymous No.13876003]

>>13875983
Globalism is a direct result of capitalism

[Anonymous No.13876004]

>>13875984

i think brainlets should realize that climate change is good and warmer whether is good for everyone. If you hate warm climate, why dont you go live in antarctica

[Anonymous No.13876005]

>>13875970
God if America disappeared we would be in fucking heaven on earth

[Anonymous No.13876007]

>>13876003
lol okay

[Anonymous No.13876008]

>>13875966
If you're already insisting
>Extinction rebellion
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion
>Affiliation: Climate Mobilization
>Climate Mobilization founded by Ezra Silk and Margaret Klein Salamon
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Climate_Mobilization

[Anonymous No.13876011]

>>13876003

brainlets don't know that soviet union was an environmental catastrophe, far worse than america

[Anonymous No.13876015]

>>13876004
retard

[Anonymous No.13876017]

>>13876008
>oh no these two people with sympathetic attitudes happen to be jewish! Zog!!!

lol pathetic

[Anonymous No.13876018]

>>13875995
Basado y rojopastillado

[Anonymous No.13876019]

>>13875985
it distracts them from slowly turning into 3rd world street poopoos

[Anonymous No.13876021]

>>13875987
>And how exactly is taxing the shit out of non-chinese/indian companies and giving money to governments going to help?
By reducing consumption of resources and overall pollution?

>Hell, in 2006 Al Gore was claiming that in less than a decade the polar ice caps would've melted completely.
Who gives a fuck about what did some uneducated mutt told? Fact is the ice caps are melting at alarming rate.

[Anonymous No.13876024]

>>13876007
>The current society isn't responsible for the stuff that happens in that society!

[Anonymous No.13876025]

>>13876017
>we just want what's best for you goyim
Thanks, Rabbi!

[Anonymous No.13876029]

>>13875465
is she the Jeanne D'Arc for progressive cultists?

[Anonymous No.13876031]

>>13875993
I'll gladly take the medieval way of life over living in American yoke.

[Anonymous No.13876033]

>>13876025
So it WAS the Jews after all. You guys need a new villain.

[Anonymous No.13876035]

>>13875993
without them we'd have decent solar infrastructure by now

[Anonymous No.13876037]

>>13876004
Oh man..

[Anonymous No.13876040]

>>13876015

low IQ brainlet

[Anonymous No.13876048]

>>13876035

>without oil companies, we would all be using cold fusion energy by now

this is what brainlets actually believe

[Anonymous No.13876059]

>>13875487
She is right wing, that's why /pol/ loves her

[Anonymous No.13876067]

>>13875967
Eventually they will get to about as bad per capita, their is no decent way to industrialize without oil atm

[Anonymous No.13876081]

>>13876003
Its also a goal of most forms of leftist economic systems

[Anonymous No.13876089]

>>13876067
No, Americans are special when it comes to being wasteful, it's part of their culture. Other economies can do perfectly fine with around 2/3 of their GHG emmission per capita.

[Anonymous No.13876092]

>>13876081
Capitalist society isn't leftist though so it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.13876093]

>>13875549
What the fuck are you talking about.
Australia just got banned from the UN climate summit because we refuse to stop selling coal to the rest of the goddamn world.
As well as Australia, Japan, South Africa, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and the US were also named and shamed in the same hearing.

[Anonymous No.13876094]

>>13876081
Please tell me how is gelebelism a goal for North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela.

[Anonymous No.13876105]

>>13876093
Those other countries don't matter, why pick on US?

[Anonymous No.13876106]

>>13875549
US is the worst offender by far margin. And it's import economy, they export the most polluting industries elsewhere but still consume the products.

[Anonymous No.13876114]

>>13876021
>By reducing consumption of resources and overall pollution?
You're really delusional if increase in taxes is going to reduce consumption. Increasing taxes will do nothing but tank the economy and create mass unemployment, which in turn will cause people to look for cheaper, badly manufactured goods that are even more detrimental to the environment, and that's completely ignoring the massive socio-political issues that would come with this. And again, all the current programs to control emissions completely ignore China and India which are the largest polluters in the planet by a mile.
Letting capitalism run its course with as little intervention as possible is unironically the best course. The more developed a country is, the more environment-conscious it becomes about the things it consume. The solution is NOT to give more money to governments so that they can waste it on meme technologies like wind or solar instead of nuclear, use the money to fund their welfare-based systems for immigrants or lose a bunch of it to corruption at the inner workings of the state machine.

>Who gives a fuck about what did some uneducated mutt told?
Same thing can be said about Gretha and other "radical environmentalist" mouthpieces. The fact of the matter is that almost no one studying the environment knows why things are happening the way they're happening and what is the failproof solution to it, if there's any. Just a reminder that the planet is less warm today than it was during Medieval times and that climate change is a cyclical process consisting of warmer periods and "ice ages".

[Anonymous No.13876115]

>>13875874
>only post in this thread about actual literature gets ignored

[Anonymous No.13876116]

>>13876106
nah China's worse per capita

[Anonymous No.13876118]

I see no difference

[Anonymous No.13876119]

>>13876115
The state of /lit/.

There's more than two threads with the bait image of this girl. We have a news board for this shit.

Are the mods going to do anything? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous No.13876122]

>>13876115
/Pol/ truly is a menace to our board
We should eradicate them or preferably put them in a concentrated board

[Anonymous No.13876123]

>>13876114
>Letting capitalism run its course with as little intervention as possible is unironically the best course.

Imagine actually believing this..

[Anonymous No.13876126]

>>13876115
It's philosophy

[Anonymous No.13876128]

>>13876094
its the goal of marxisum witch was the original point, and these countries beein communist is direct result of the comintern intervention

[Anonymous No.13876129]

>>13876116
>Literally telling fake news just because you can't handle a little girl saying we need to do something about climate change

[Anonymous No.13876137]

>>13876129
nice try chang

[Anonymous No.13876141]

>>13876128
Not the same as capitalist globalism

[Anonymous No.13876142]

>>13876089

yet brainlets support mass immigration so that poor people can move to America and then consume and pollute like your average american

[Anonymous No.13876151]

>itt: fugen morans not realizing its almost 2020 where they have to choose between old american style burger hegemony or being a rapefugee overwhelmed street poo chinese whore house. the difference is one side actually values you as an origin state and the other doesnt give a shit about your 'history' and would be glad to see it erased while they make money out of it.
they will keep pushing for this war narrative and the average person is too stupid anyway so its as good as reality at this point.

[Anonymous No.13876154]

>>13876141
>its not the same globalism
kek i love it

[Anonymous No.13876158]

>>13876123
A competitive economy focused on technological advancement is literally the reason we're coming with more and more clean ways of production, especially since cleaner manufacturing is synonym with fewer wasted resources which is something every company wants. If anything, increasing taxes is going to completely fuck up smaller enterprises while megacorps will suffer but a dent on their profits at the start just to grow massively in power due to less competition which will give them free reign to be as wasteful as they want.

[Anonymous No.13876161]

>>13876114
>You're really delusional if increase in taxes is going to reduce consumption.
Yes, that's why taxes on tobacco didn't decreased tobacco consumptions. Besides taxes are merely one tool.
>And again, all the current programs to control emissions completely ignore China and India which are the largest polluters in the planet by a mile.
No. Americans are the worst.
>Letting capitalism run its course with as little intervention as possible is unironically the best course.
You dare to call others delusional while saying nonsense like this?
>The more developed a country is, the more environment-conscious it becomes about the things it consume.
And the more it consumes. The fact bunch of spoiled urbanites decide to go vegan, doesn't make high-income economies go ecological. It's collective action enacted by those environment-conscious folks.
>give more money to governments so that they can waste it on meme technologies like wind or solar instead of nuclear
Anon...You need to give le gubrment money if you want nuclear. It's not tech friendly for private sector.
>use the money to fund their welfare-based systems
Egalitarian distribution of wealth leads to less materialistic desires and more educated society.

[Anonymous No.13876173]

>>13876154
globalism isn't inherently bad, the internet is globalism. Are you criticizing the internet because its all the same thing?

[Anonymous No.13876178]

>>13876173
>Are you criticizing the internet because its all the same thing?
yes all the time by shitting on facbook and youtbube and the likes.

[Anonymous No.13876181]

>>13876178
yet you post on 4chan, curious

[Anonymous No.13876191]

>>13875577
or you could just read Marx, who came up with that idea

[Anonymous No.13876199]

>>13876191
sorry sweetie, I don't read communists

[Anonymous No.13876206]

>>13876116
>Same thing can be said about Gretha and other "radical environmentalist" mouthpieces.
Duh, they are media personalities. They are there not to be taken seriously, the girl even acknowledges that.

>The fact of the matter is that almost no one studying the environment knows why things are happening
Yea, hence we shouldn't risk causing a fuckhuge disaster over toys we don't need that much.

>Just a reminder that the planet is less warm today than it was during Medieval times
>https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
Just a reminder that you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.13876214]

>>13875465
>4chan told me to hate her, so I hate her

[Anonymous No.13876221]

>>13876206
cool!

[Anonymous No.13876224]

>4chan told me to hate her

[Anonymous No.13876225]

>>13876116
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita
It's about 1/2 according to wiki.

[Anonymous No.13876229]

>>13875521
>Environmentalism bad!
Kys

[Anonymous No.13876236]

>>13876151
Based chinks

[Anonymous No.13876239]

>>13876224
Why wouldn't you, even throwing her politics aside? She acts like an annoying self-righteous narcissistic cunt.

[Anonymous No.13876241]

>>13876225
>wikipedia

good goy

[Anonymous No.13876244]

>>13875755
who's more dangerous? the person who is doing nothing or the person who thinks they're helping while making it worse all the while?

[Anonymous No.13876246]

>>13876239
>She acts like an annoying self-righteous narcissistic cunt.

That's all They understand :)

[Anonymous No.13876247]

>>13876239
She's 16. Why do you have your panties in a bunch over an autistic 16 year old girl?

[Anonymous No.13876248]

>>13875755
It doesn't benefit for-profit corporations

[Anonymous No.13876250]

>>13876224
Most of us love her

[Anonymous No.13876251]

>>13875755
>green tax helps everyone
yea it does not, witch is the thing they will put up

[Anonymous No.13876255]

it's over

[Anonymous No.13876256]

>>13876244
Why does it matter? Only people whore are "doing nothing" are the remnants of hunter gather societies like African bushmen.

[Anonymous No.13876262]

>>13875739
>>13875758

Cambodia had one like that under Pol Pot

[Anonymous No.13876263]

I just want to hear the solution by the left. We could argue about if it is real or not all day. If I'm investing, I'm not giving my money away to fear mongering. I need practicality.

[Anonymous No.13876264]

>>13876251
It's a start. If it doesn't help more action will be taken.

[Anonymous No.13876265]

>>13875576
Believing that the only thing that counts politically is economics is the most grug brain thing I've ever heard. Even actual Marxists understand that there needs to be cultural mythology to moralize the people into participation in society. Most economics is just a rationalization of the economists particular set of moral beliefs which come from mythological and unfalsifiable beliefs.

>>13875668
Because the left has never actually given a shit about economics beyond using it as a tool to push their moral theory and all of their feigning otherwise is nothing but bullshitting.

[Anonymous No.13876266]

>>13876247
Because I don't like people who have no idea of what they're saying telling me what I should or shouldn't do, especially if the person doing so can't even legally drink and has no life experience.

[Anonymous No.13876268]

>>13876255
and that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.13876272]

>>13876247
It is kind of funny how scared so many right-wingers are of a little girl. And the cause she is behind should be a politically neutral one. Everybody has a stake in the climate.
The only reason to take issue with her is that she's a female figurehead of a movement and that is perceived as threatening . It's pathetic incel misogyny.

[Anonymous No.13876273]

>>13876264
>It's a start. If it doesn't help more action will be taken.
>If giving money to the government doesn't help, the solution will be to give even more money to the government
You know this is exactly how things will turn out.

[Anonymous No.13876274]

>>13876266
Yet she knows more than you because she didn't piss her little life experience away drinking :)

[Anonymous No.13876276]

>>13875465
Industrial society and its future

[Anonymous No.13876281]

>>13876229
You're a fucking retard if you think the contention is environmentalism and not a global managerial class consolidating power through the most sophisticated form of social control the world has ever known.

[Anonymous No.13876283]

>>13876276
Terrible book, read Pynchon instead

[Anonymous No.13876285]

Isn't she that Eco-Fascist /pol/ loves?

[Anonymous No.13876288]

Daily reminder that age of consent is 16 in the EU

[Anonymous No.13876289]

>>13876274
Nice non-sequitur you absolute cum-guzzling retard.

[Anonymous No.13876291]

>>13876272
Is confusing disgust and fear a universal leftist trait?

Is it because leftists are perpetually afraid of everything?

[Anonymous No.13876292]

>>13875465
lmao one girl caused the whole right to go into hysterics, you fuckers really are pathetic

[Anonymous No.13876295]

>>13876263
>Replacing private cars with public transport
>Reducing air travel
>Replacing trucks with trains
>Reducing meat consumption
>More localized and ecological agriculture
>Gradual replacement of non-degradable plastic
>Overal reduction of consumption

Your "money" doesn't matter. One can hardly invest into reduction of economy.

[Anonymous No.13876296]

>>13876285
Nice try faggot

[Anonymous No.13876297]

>>13875979
I'm sorry but if you don't understand how the modern left is just a source of false opposition wholely owned and funded by capital, you're not paying attention. For fucks sake the only non-corporate centers of leftism are private multi-billion dollar University services.

[Anonymous No.13876302]

>>13875966
Jews are generally revolutionaries (as well as spies) so it's not a surprise to see some of them regularly take part into activism of any kind. (In France I could name a few Jews into """ecology""", don't know about the US or elsewhere)
But the hyperclass is not only composed of Jews, obviously, dumbo. Their interests may differ in some points.
The point is, all of these people want the same thing: Money. They want a lot of cash to support the system. To keep their hegemony afloat. Where do they want that money? Remember the yellow vests? Oh look, the planet will burn if we don't keep on upping the taxes and why not even impose a tax on oxygen. Damn, we need money to save the air and reduce our temperature. "Hey, what if a One World Government is better suited to ACT for the planet?" This is the ideology and the stakes at play.

I miss George Carlin sometimes. Boy, he would've a lot of things to say about current years.

[Anonymous No.13876303]

>>13876289
lol mad cuz bad

[Anonymous No.13876305]

>>13875487
>leftist big megacorps
truly Americans are the most retarded nation in the history of man

[Anonymous No.13876310]

>>13876011
even if that had anything to do with what he said (it doesn't), that's because noone cared about the environment in that time. The USSR's antidemocratic system was the only one potentially capable of turning a country sustainable, which is honestly literally the same argument ecofash /pol/acks use (we need a dictatorship, democracy is incompatible with enrivonmentalism).

[Anonymous No.13876313]

>>13876297
Universities are corporations, too.

>>13876302
>hurr muh jooz
shut the fuck up faggot

[Anonymous No.13876316]

>>13875993
>Why yes sir, your boots taste exquisite sir, please rig your oil pipe to my butthole sir
this is how righties talk

[Anonymous No.13876319]

>>13876263
Cut back on carbon emissions. Penalize corporations with a tax on emissions that exceed acceptable quotas. Invest more in green energy technology and R&D. Enact environmental regulations. Wean off the addiction to fossil fuels.

It's not an easy problem to solve. In fact it's a problem on a scale greater than any ever faced before in history. The complexity and scale of it is as tangled and gigantic as the industrial system itself. The only ones who have something to lose are shitty corporations that have too much power in the first place and hicks who drive oversized trucks.

[Anonymous No.13876320]

>>13876305
Where are you seeing America here?

[Anonymous No.13876321]

>>13875859

this is ironic, in china, ever since high speed rails were built, all the goods could only be transported by trucks now since high speed trains cant transport heavy cargos

[Anonymous No.13876322]

>>13876273
How about rationing fuel? Banning certain items? Promoting small scale, localized agriculture?

>everything is muh gubrment
fuck liberals

[Anonymous No.13876332]

>>13876291
This time they are afraid of a real problem. What is there to be disgusted about? It makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.13876335]

>>13876321
yeah well China is pretty retarded

[Anonymous No.13876337]

>>13876319
So it's a dictatorship then? On the off chance that the worse case scenario is correct, let's suspend all human freedom

[Anonymous No.13876339]

>>13876158
capitalism needs neverending, exponential growth: Industrial, population, consumption growth to even exist.
Even if we manage to save ourselves with nuclear fission and whatnot of the current climate crisis, capitalism and markets are at constant odds with the planet.

[Anonymous No.13876341]

>>13876161
Stop writing like a retard. Nobody reads that shit.

[Anonymous No.13876347]

>>13876337
>let's suspend all human freedom
thats not what he said ;)

[Anonymous No.13876350]

>>13876322
Those are cute short-term propositions but you're completely ignoring the catastrophic social and economic issues that would arise from this.

[Anonymous No.13876351]

>>13876339
They'll find a way to justify sucking capitalist cock. It's in their nature.

[Anonymous No.13876354]

>>13876341
>Ugh I have no arguments
Nice cop-out, you filthy mutt.

[Anonymous No.13876356]

>>13876295
these are a great set of solutions, to which I would add
>going nuclear
and a constant of them is that they are strictly anti-democratic and cannot be achieved through conscientious consumption. we need strong market restrictions or even abolitions to do this.

[Anonymous No.13876357]

>>13876339
Your post and mine aren't mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.13876358]

>>13876295
You state that you can't reduce the economy yet you go on to say the country has to miraculously reduce consumption. That will never be the case and no amount of government oversight can change that. You know why? Less tax money for the government when our economy has to be slashed. I see no real solutions to replace these things at a reasonable cost. Poor people will foot the bill like always with environmental things. How do you decrease air travel with a big ass country? You can't just make a list and say this is what we must do. Make it work and then talk. Otherwise shut your fucking mouth.

[Anonymous No.13876359]

>>13876320
only in your retarded country does liberal = left = big gubberment
the rest of the world laughs at you, you delusional fucks

[Anonymous No.13876362]

>>13876354
I'm not the guy you were talking to and I haven't even read your post because of the way it was written.

[Anonymous No.13876364]

>>13876354
keep racism on /b/ pls

[Anonymous No.13876367]

>>13876350
The catastophic issue that would arise from inaction will be natural. There's shitton of stuff that could be done in pursuit of sustainability. I'm not some uberbrain that can fix it all.

What's the difference between "economic" and "social" issues anyway?

[Anonymous No.13876374]

>>13876362
>muh form
just fuck off already

[Anonymous No.13876376]

>>13876359
Im not American you schizo

[Anonymous No.13876377]

>>13876339
>capitalism needs neverending, exponential growth: Industrial, population, consumption growth to even exist.
Complete fallacy. It's false, you don't need any of that to support capitalism.
You're confusing capitalism with the issue of usury and debt. The merchants are back as masters of the temple and guess what, they were condemned by the Church centuries ago. Where is the church now? Oh that's right. It's gone. It has been subverted.
How do I know? I read books, not like your average 4channers.

[Anonymous No.13876380]

>>13876337
Regulations on corporations are not a dictatorship. Unregulated corporations are a dictatorship, a financial oligarchy that determines a negative fate for the entire planet without any sort of checks or balances.

If the situation was far more deteriorated, and coastal cities needed to start being evacuated, an eco-dictatorship might then be warranted. It would be akin to the mass mobilization of economic factors during total war. But we aren't there yet.

[Anonymous No.13876384]

>>13875489
Her voice is literally the most annoying sound I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.13876386]

>>13876374
You're the only one here writing like that

[Anonymous No.13876390]

>>13875489
Because boomers and zoomers are acting like she's some sort of authority on shit like economics and physics and not just a retard with extra media exposure.

[Anonymous No.13876393]

>>13876384
Retarded conservacucks denying reality because they can't cope is worse

[Anonymous No.13876400]

>>13876390
It doesn't take a genius to recognize that we need to take care of our planet, or maybe Pynchon's right and we really are here to spread death

[Anonymous No.13876402]

>>13875755
>You have to sacrifice your nation's economic viability to save the environment
>Good for everyone

[Anonymous No.13876403]

>>13875755
well basically it doesn't really benefit anyone in the short term
and our society is very focused in the short term due to a number of reasons
for example, most of the power in this world is concentrated in the hands of the elderly, they'll all die in thirty years anway so why care? the president of the united states is over 70

[Anonymous No.13876405]

>>13876377
>Complete fallacy. It's false, you don't need any of that to support capitalism.
I'm gonna ignore the schizo second half of your post and just ask you to give me some proof of this

[Anonymous No.13876411]

>>13875806
7 billion is completely sustainable as long as everybody doesn't consume like americans do

[Anonymous No.13876412]

>>13875465
staying with the trouble

[Anonymous No.13876413]

>>13876358
>You state that you can't reduce the economy yet you go on to say the country has to miraculously reduce consumption
There's nothing miraculous about reducing consumption. All it takes is collective exercise of power.

>Less tax money for the government when our economy has to be slashed
And? Money isn't end-all be-all. Human labour is and amount of human labour wielded by a nation doesn't change.

>I see no real solutions to replace these things at a reasonable cost.
You don't "replace", you "abolish".

>Poor people will foot the bill like always with environmental things.
Then carry action against it through class struggle.

>How do you decrease air travel with a big ass country?
Trains.

>Make it work and then talk
That's not how world works, whore. First you talk and plan, then you work to enact the plans.

[Anonymous No.13876414]

>>13876316

yes, oil companies are oppressing me by allowing me to drive car, ride airplanes, and eat delicious food transported from all around the world

[Anonymous No.13876417]

>>13875873
Good goy

[Anonymous No.13876419]

>>13876386
Like what you homosexual? Do you want redditspacing inbetween the lines?

[Anonymous No.13876425]

>>13875840
based

[Anonymous No.13876429]

>>13876419
It's never necessary to quote and respond to individual sentences. Don't you see why it's a mess?

[Anonymous No.13876430]

>>13876402
>MUST CONSUME MUST PRODUCTS
>SPEND SPEND SPEND

[Anonymous No.13876448]

>>13876429
It's literally the standard way of 4chan communication. How else should one do it? When you make multiple wrong claims in one post, I list the claims one by one and attack them one by one. Go to different site if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.13876451]

>>13876429
>This autist again

[Anonymous No.13876458]

>>13876400
This is not about taking care of the planet, guvv

[Anonymous No.13876459]

>>13875970

[Anonymous No.13876464]

Guys, what if the earth is sentient and global warming is the earth having a fever to get rid of the virus (humans)

[Anonymous No.13876467]

>>13876448
If it's the standard then why are you the only one here writing like that? I don't know where you get this idea that it's an effective way to talk to people because you don't see it anywhere in academia. If you can't address multiple points without quoting individual sentences you need to learn how to write.

[Anonymous No.13876472]

>>13876413
>collective exercise of power.
this is the biggest libertarian lie of them all, which has somehow managed to permeate the left into believing in "lifestyle activism" and "the power of the consumer". The notion that we're añll completely atomized, autonomous rational machines and that it all comes down to personal choice is the definition of the neoliberal mindset, perfectly suited to quell all real activism by making you point all your fingers at eachother instead of at the clear culprit, which is markets.
We're on a train that's not stopping, and your answer is to just try to walk towards the back wagon, but you're still going foward.

[Anonymous No.13876477]

>>13875870
not true you dumbass
in fact captalism make the implementation easy
just tax the undesirables and the market automatically adjusts

[Anonymous No.13876484]

>>13876477
see you when anti-consumerist measures makes the markets malfunction.
if there is something in which all economists agree with libertarians is that simply restriction consumption is a godawful idea in a market economy

[Anonymous No.13876489]

>>13876467
there's literally nothing wrong with quoting individual arguments and attacking them
makes the discussion clear and reduces the probability of misunderstandings

[Anonymous No.13876490]

>>13876319
>multi-nationals can just move manufacturing off-shore which also takes with it taxes on profit
>new domestic taxes and regulations make it hard for SME's to compete

Huge corporations love regulation because they have resources to meet appliance whereas smaller companies can't so it increases the barrier to entry and creates less competition. They also have the means to properly evade tax so you end up forcing they move off-shore to some shit hole with worse regulations. This is the trap that they want you to fall for however, as that creates the need for global tax system which would obviously need someone to manage it.

[Anonymous No.13876508]

>>13876489
You think that's what you're doing but you're making a mess which nobody reads.

[Anonymous No.13876509]

>>13876467
>why are you the only one here writing like that?
Here are three random posts formated in such way. I've mixed in /pol/ before you accuse me of samefagging. Meanwhile you are the only poster ever complaining about it.
>>13876121
>>>/pol/227601276
>>>/pol/227585317

> I don't know where you get this idea that it's an effective way to talk to people because you don't see it anywhere in academia.
Do people in academia call each other fags? No? Then you might be on 4chin, where 4chin rules apply.

[Anonymous No.13876514]

>>13876484
malfunction? what the fuck are you talking about?
tax the flights and people take the train
tax cars and people cycle or take the train
etc. etc. it doesn't make the market "malfunction" wtf man
we already do the whole "tax the undesirables" on a great scale, tobacco products and alcohol have a huge tax so that people would use less of them (or at the very least so we would have the necessary funds to treat these people when they get throat cancer or liver problems)

[Anonymous No.13876524]

>>13875958
That's what keeps hitting me hard about this stuff. You can be as *pilled as you want, but at the end of the day anyone posting here is simply not in a position to do anything about it. At best you can exit the system, but the system is still firmly in the hands of the powers that be

[Anonymous No.13876525]

>>13876514
cute

[Anonymous No.13876528]

>>13876490
well yeah but you just gotta structure the regulations so that the huge corps just can't go offshore
regulation for manufacturing in a country must be accompanied by import fees, simple as that
the real problem lies in the fact that the huge corporations have quote a lot of power over legislation lol

[Anonymous No.13876535]

The harder they're trying to enforce propaganda and "one right way" of thinking about this, the less I'm believing it.

[Anonymous No.13876538]

>>13876525
i'd prefer handsome but cute is alright as well

[Anonymous No.13876544]

>>13876509
Do three posts really constitute a standard?

[Anonymous No.13876560]

>>13876484
>"market economy" matters
>Sustaining this planet doesn't matter, because it is "awful for market"
>Poor people wanting higher wages don't matter because they would be too expensive for bourgeiose to pay
>Supporting fertility doesn't matter because it would "come from taxes"
>Getting replaced by brown foreigners doesn't matter, because we "wouldn't have money for pensions"

God, please forgive us for abandoning you for these priests of capital.

[Anonymous No.13876563]

>>13876544
does ignorance of a standard constitute nonexistence of a standard?

[Anonymous No.13876565]

Trains and bikes fucking suck if you live anywhere even semi rural. Can leftists just stop beating around the bush and just say you either want to just genocide the rural retards or corral then all into megacities to the bug hive.

[Anonymous No.13876569]

>>13876544
>you the only one here writing like that
It's enough to prove you are wrong, so fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.13876571]

>>13876544
follow your 2019 shitpost styleguide, we publish it for a reason..

[Anonymous No.13876572]

>>13876528
>well yeah but you just gotta structure the regulations so that the huge corps just can't go offshore
Do you really think any country is willing to make it harder for corporations that don't pay all their taxes? Tax-evasion only exists because politicians get something out of it. With wil be no different with whatever environmental policy is implemented. Megacorps will keep doing their thing while the bulk of society pays the price.

[Anonymous No.13876577]

>>13876563
oh great now there's more