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I'll start: Spinoza. Who else?

>> No.13870641

>>13870600
Why?

>> No.13870648

yikes

>> No.13870649

>>13870600
Philosophers are not scientists you dimwit. science doesn't think.

>> No.13870654

>>13870600
Spinoza is unironically the only Jew in philosophy worth reading.

>> No.13870673

>>13870654
Walter Benjamin? Hannah Arendt? Karl Marx?

>> No.13870674

>>13870600

ITT
Philosophers that OP has not read.

>> No.13870676

>>13870600
Awful opinion OP

Machiavelli
Bertrand Russell
Ayn rand
Trotsky
Langan
Sam harris, and the rest of the crew

>> No.13870685

>>13870676
how was russell wrong, brainlet?

>> No.13870687

>>13870600
For anyone new here, this is obvious bait. Spinoza's one of the few philosophers who was right about most things.

>> No.13870694

>>13870654
Montaigne.

>> No.13870703

>>13870673
Benjamin is only worth reading if you're a Jew yourself, Hannah Arendt is meme and Karl Marx had some interesting ideas but was ultimately a pseud neet

>> No.13870715

>>13870703
>but was ultimately a pseud neet
ad hominem

>> No.13870725
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>>13870703
>joos

>> No.13870748

>>13870725
You fucking retard I didn't even mention anything close to poltical baiting, but of course your fucking r*ddit brain just can't help itself but make this shit political. You get triggered by the mere mention of Jews, no matter the context.

>> No.13870756

>>13870748
im not triggered im mocking you

>> No.13870764
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>>13870600
Locke, also made the most mistakes and is the most tedious to read.

>> No.13870816

>>13870748
The anti-semite is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an anti-semite and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

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>>13870649
>science doesn't think

>> No.13870835

>>13870703
>a pseud neet
I don't think you understand what a 'pseud' or a 'NEET' is. You're not a NEET if devote your entire existence to poring over research and writing, changing the course of world history. Whether you hate him or love him, he was a writer, a philosopher, an economist, not a pseud neet.

>> No.13870872

Thales
Diogenes
Pyrrho
Epicurus
Lucretius
Aurelius
Machiavelli
Descartes
Spinoza
Locke
Hume
Rousseau
Diderot
Voltaire
Kant
Stirner
Schopenhauer
Nietzsche
B. Russell
Peirce
Durkheim
William James
Dewey
Bergson
Whitehead
Deleuze
Sartre
Derrida
Barthes

>> No.13870890

>>13870816
this one really doesn't work for most antisemities who will basically come out and proudly say they hate jews

>> No.13870898

>>13870872
He said wrong, not right.

>> No.13871430

>>13870725
What a retard you are.
Edit: THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!

>> No.13871442

>>13870694
Might've been a quarter crypt-Jew which he probably didn't even know about.

He could hardly be called a Jewish philosopher.

>> No.13871454

>>13870600
Socrates

>> No.13871457
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>>13870600
Reposting because the other thread got pruned. I have an interest in philosophy but I currently battle with depression and sickness and have a hard time on keeping a grasp on hobbies & meaningful activities. I've read some quotes and excerpts from Schopenhauer and Nietzsche and took a liking to them, I speak German so I guess thats a good place to start. I've also dabbed a bit into Aristoteles works but they are so abundant and cover such a large ground that I think it might not be the best way to start. I didn't go to college or had philosophy classes but I think I'm quick to take up new things if I enjoy them, can you guys recommend me some works I should start with? They don't necessarily have to correspond to these authors.
>TLDR: recommend me a some philosophical entry level works that deal with existential dread, what works by Schopenhauer/Nietzsche should I start with?

>> No.13871465

>>13871442
You said Jew not Jewish.

>> No.13871476

>>13870685
Anyone who loves russell is either a pseud or a midwit.
Wittgenstein offered his tractatus as a phd thesis at the suggestion of russell, and it was examined by russell and moore. At the end of the thesis defence, Wittgenstein clapped the two examiners on the shoulder and said, "Don't worry, I know you'll never understand it."

>> No.13871485

>>13870872
Let's see. You're right about Aurelius, Machiavelli, Descartes, Locke, Diderot, Kant, Russell, Durkheim, Sartre, Derrida, and Barthes. Wrong about the rest.

>> No.13871493

>>13870673
all trash

>> No.13871507

>>13871476
big if true

>> No.13871535

>>13871465
That wasn't me and I don't see the difference. Either way Montaigne isn't a Jew.

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>>13870685
>"lmao God doesn't real because who created him?"
>"lmao a reductive didactic barbershop thought experiment proves we need to include all factors in analysis" when the problem is solved by further exclusion
Sounds like a brainlet to me
>>13870676
>machiavelli

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>>13871476
anyone who hates on Russell has never read a single page of his work.

>> No.13871577

>>13871535
There is a difference, though.

>> No.13871592

>>13870872
>Hume
t. Harris
right about most of them though

>> No.13871600

>>13871457
read essays and aphorims by schopenhauer or parerga and paralipomena. human all too human or the gay science for nietzsche. otherwise id suggest reading some plato dialogues to get you started with philosophy. if you speak german you can read a lot of schopenhauers followers that arent translated too (e.g. julius bahnsen, mainlander)

>> No.13871610

If you don't accept at least Spinozist monism you should probably stop reading philosophy, because its completely lost on you and will ultimately be a waste of time.

>> No.13871627

>>13871567

Russel is only worth for his logic work, his history of philosophy work and some of his reviews are trash. Pure opinion. He was a genius , but he was highly biased.

>> No.13871672

>>13871627
>He was a genius , but he was highly biased.
I don't agree, but this is a very different opinion from the standard knee jerk "HURR RUSSELL BAD" you see on this board.

>> No.13871732

>>13871672
but he is bad

>> No.13871737

>>13870654
Kripke

>> No.13871739

>>13871457
Order a couple of introductory course books on philosophy

>> No.13871883

>>13871577
Jew=Someone who is Jewish by ethnicity and/or religion
Jewish=Someone who is ethnically/and or religiously a Jew

What's the difference?

>> No.13871892

>>13871485
>the earth is actually an inflatable floating in a pool of water

>> No.13871934

Locke was wrong about everything. If America was influenced by Hobbes and Rousseau instead, we wouldn't be the shit tier declining empire we are today.

>> No.13871949

>>13870673

>Hannah "remember the 7 quadrillion" Arendt
Is this a troll post?

>> No.13871955

Schopenhauer was right about everything, but I wish he was wrong.

>> No.13871966

>>13870654
Goldman.

>> No.13871969

>>13870816
This one doesn't work because the anti-semites don't give a fuck if you call them anti-semite.
t. anti-semite

>> No.13871974

>>13871883
Jews = ethnics
Jewish = religion

A Japanese man could convert to Judaism and he'd be Jewish but not a Jew. Otherwise English is retarded and makes no sense.

>> No.13871979

>>13871610
Nondualism

>> No.13872058

>>13870600

This is very unbased of you OP.

>> No.13872063

>>13870715
thanks bud very sharp of you

>> No.13872066

>>13871974
You're just splitting hairs dude

>> No.13872074

>>13870600

Berkeley was a straight up retard

>> No.13872080

>>13870764

Second this

>> No.13872083

>>13872074
refute a single thing Berkeley said, it can't be done

>> No.13872085

>>13870673
They're all awful.

>> No.13872114

>>13872074
he just followed Locke to his logical conclusion, don't blame him.

>> No.13873175

bump

>> No.13874543

>>13870600
necrobump

>> No.13874595

>>13871892
Kek, my thoughts exactly.

>> No.13874624

>>13870600
He was completely right about the basis for government. You can't escape the state of nature by forming a social contract. The state of nature is inescapable. Hobbes' bellum omnium contra omnes is an eternal war that the cleverest of kings with the powerfulest of armies can't win.

>> No.13874644

Freud. Never have I read any other philosopher so revered by the masses yet everything he said was either wrong or debunked.

>> No.13874658

>>13874644
>freud
>philosopher
Never have I seen any other pseud this dumb on this website.

>> No.13874672

>>13874658
Not that anon but, to be fair, Freud is considered a psychologist, philosopher, author, and even a fucking mystic in some circles. He conforms to most labels

>> No.13874810

>>13870816
Reddit incarnate.

>> No.13874828

>>13871627
>Russel is only worth for his logic work,
His logical work is absolutely trash except perhaps for on denoting.
Poincaré and Hilbert terminally massacred his delusions concerning mathematical processes. You can also see godel's article 'on Russell mathematical logic' for a thorough btfo.
Anyone that takes Bertrand 'axiom of reducibility' Russell seriously as a logician is a joke.

>> No.13874852

>>13870600
Lucrecius.
Citing him instead of Epicurus because we have lost too much material of the latter even though the philosophy is similar.
I went through De rerum Natura not finding a single good idea in it. Not in psychology, theory of action, metaphysics, logic, epistemology, ethics. The worst being its attempt at physics of course. It is worse in every respect to Aristotle and yet the retards made it the cornerstone of their philosophy. Aristotle had some bizarre things but the epicureans make it impossible to have some forms of rotational motion or mechanics of fluids.

>> No.13874960

>>13870872
Yikes x 10,000

>> No.13876196

>>13871567
Russell is only good for his influence on logic. Nothing more.

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>almost 70 posts and no mention of the most BTFO'd "philosopher" in all of human history
The absolute state of this board.

>> No.13876238

>>13870654
Buber. Heschel. Soloveitchik.

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13876355

>>13870835
wagie wagie stuck in his cagie
all day long you sweat and ragie
Neet is comfy
Neet is cool
Neet is free from home and school
Wagie is trapped and wagie dies
Neet eat chicken nuggets with sauce and fries

>> No.13876399

>>13876209
how to tell someone:
1. didn't read Marx
2. is a retard who watches basic bitch right-wing internet media

>> No.13876416

>>13876399
How to tell someone didn't read Marx:
1. they say everyone that disagree with Marx didn't read Marx

>> No.13876435

>>13876209
bc he was an economist

and he was right

>> No.13876584

>>13876355
Jesus Christ sort your metre out that reads like crap

>> No.13876733

>>13871955
This is why I love Schopenhauer. Every time I think he could not be more based... Bang! He delights me with another based insight. Reading him is a pleasure, it's like reading my own thoughts before I have them