The Odyssey tr. by Emily Wilson

[Anonymous No.13864445]

What does /lit/ honestly think about this translation?

[Anonymous No.13864456]

Fuck Emily Wilson with a cactus.
Adding her own politics and modern beliefs that aren’t in the original text into a translation is fucking trashy and I hope she dies of ass cancer.

[Anonymous No.13864466]

>>13864456
redpill me on this, what did she do?

[Anonymous No.13864478]

>>13864445
She basically took the cliff notes and then injected modern political SJW speak into it, destroying all beauty it once had.

[Anonymous No.13864506]

>>13864466
She’s a whacko leftist feminist who believes it’s her duty to revise The Odyssey to be viewed through a marxist feminist lens.
She adds things into the text that are not there in the first place. She literally thinks the odyssey is a pro-immigration open borders story. She’s completely corrupting the ancient poem to new readers and this is now the version that universities teach.
See: https://lithub.com/why-i-gave-homer-a-contemporary-voice-in-the-odyssey/

[Anonymous No.13864519]

>>13864506
>and this is now the version that universities teach.
Good god, I hope that this isn't true. I feel bad for Anglos.

[Anonymous No.13864615]

>>13864506
and the translation itself is pretty shitty aswell. she even uses slang words exclusive to the American South. top keks

[Anonymous No.13864620]

>>13864466

[Anonymous No.13864637]

>>13864466
REFUGEES (SHOULD BE) WELCOME

[Anonymous No.13864648]

>>13864637
>Dr Miranda
haha... ok

[Anonymous No.13864660]

>>13864637
>has translated this bit
Except it’s not a translation, it’s a fucking editorialization

[Anonymous No.13864673]

>>13864648
Education Reform needs to happen with the renaming of liberal arts “doctorates” and the criminalization of people like this impersonating a “doctor”

[Anonymous No.13864714]

>>13864637
>Mr. Foreigner

[Anonymous No.13864767]

>>13864714
Foreigner-Sama

[Anonymous No.13864853]

>>13864620
Holy shit, not only did she add her politics in, the fucking thing reads like it was written by a caveman.
>>13864615 is right. This is embarrassing

[Anonymous No.13864863]

>>13864853
You thought she was bad? Wait until you see this lmao

[Anonymous No.13864897]

>>13864863
I wish God would smite these people down

[Anonymous No.13864941]

>>13864445
i believe /lit/ is infested by bots made by evil peopl
>>13864445
Someone makes a thread asking question that no one can answer (not many people read such a books, and question is about certain, modern translation, which even fewer people read)
>>13864456
Than someone turns thread into politics and culture
>>13864466
Someone acts oblivous, and asks some question that further pushes thread into political regions.
And rest of thread is about culture wars, and not about book in question. People are giving opinion about books they dont read
Its like you dont care about literature at all, you just want to brew shit

[Anonymous No.13864952]

>>13864863
Giggled Harder than I thought I would. Is this really not a elaborate troll?

[Anonymous No.13864955]

I really don't like Anglo-American egalitarianism. It's so cringey.

[Anonymous No.13864967]

>>13864941
>someone turns Thread into politics and culture
No you retard, the translator injected her political views into The Odyssey.
Go dilate

[Anonymous No.13864969]

>>13864952
It's on Amazon as St. Theresa's "Interior Castle".

[Anonymous No.13864972]

>>13864863
>But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all of missing the mark.

[Anonymous No.13865029]

>>13864941
Only good post ITT. Anyone interested in literature should be interested in how classical reception works and what has and continues to motivate translation. Picking out passages you disagree with politically to disparage a text like this is as brainless as throwing away Chapman's Homer for "injecting politics" into his edition. All translation is a political act of prioritisation and reinvention; you would expect "literate" people to understand something so simple. For those interested in thoughtful criticism of Wilson's work, check out Jstor and Bryn Mawr reviews thereof, but it would be a much better use of your time to just read the texts at hand. The Odyssey is not long and any serious student who isn't learning Greek should at least be reading and comparing different English translations.
/pollit/ posters are intellectually dishonest children

[Anonymous No.13865037]

Why can't you illiterate fucks just learn Ancient Greek? I bet you read Latin in translation as well.

[Anonymous No.13865056]

>>13865029
Dilate

[Anonymous No.13865060]

>>13864941
But the discussion is, for the most part, against injecting politics in classical works.

[Anonymous No.13865069]

Someone post THAT review

[Anonymous No.13865084]

>>13864445
I'M COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMING!!!

[Anonymous No.13865120]

>>13864941
Literally everything ITT besides your faggot reply is about literature.

[Anonymous No.13865161]

>>13865069
https://kirkcenter.org/reviews/a-coat-of-varnish/

[Anonymous No.13865187]

>>13865029
Her translation is dogshit even without the SJW nonsense. He literally uses cringe slang from the American South like "scalawag". Total dogshit for niggers and zoomers..

[Anonymous No.13865215]

>Wilson:

Tell me about a complicated man.
Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost
when he had wrecked the holy town of Troy,
and where he went, and who he met, the pain
he suffered in the storms at sea, and how
he worked to save his life and bring his men
back home. He failed to keep them safe; poor fools,
they ate the Sun God’s cattle, and the god
kept them from home.

>Fitzgerald:

Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story
of that man skilled in all ways of contending,
the wanderer, harried for years on end,
after he plundered the stronghold
on the proud height of Troy.
He saw the townlands
and learned the minds of many distant men,
and weathered many bitter nights and days
in his deep heart at sea, while he fought only
to save his life, to bring his shipmates home.

But not by will nor valor could he save them,
for their own recklessness destroyed them all—
children and fools, they killed and feasted on
the cattle of Lord Hêlios, the sun,
and he who moves all day through heaven
took from their eyes the dawn of their return.

[Anonymous No.13865219]

>>13864967
Besides the part about “even though they cross the sea themselves”, what politics are injected into it? That doesn’t seem particularly political, just a stupid detail she added in to make them seem hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.13865231]

>>13865215
wilson's version is niggerised and dumbed down for brainlets. literally unreadable.

[Anonymous No.13865249]

If you do not want to learn Greek, at least read it in the German translation.

[Anonymous No.13865254]

>>13865249
Eh, I'd rather learn Greek.

[Anonymous No.13865259]

>>13865249
And why so, Günter ? There’s only one german translation... ?

[Anonymous No.13865269]

>>13865215
>Americans think this is a good translation and amazing poetry

[Anonymous No.13865286]

>>13865215
That first one is literally 3rd grade level English.
Sex robots And artificial wombs to replace women when?

[Anonymous No.13865296]

>>13865259
Many German translations have become classics in their own right, for example Johann Heinrich Voß' version, as well as Gustav Schwab's. I've always found English translations of Greek texts lacking. Could be personal bias though, obviously.

[Anonymous No.13865312]

>>13865219
It’s pretty obviously muh racist Brexit DRUMPF reference

[Anonymous No.13865320]

>>13864863
What translator is this? Is this a translation of The Interior Castle or what?

[Anonymous No.13865335]

>>13865029
Granting that Chapman's translation is political, this does not excuse Wilson doing the same thing - we should strive to keep our contemporary political crises out of art in general, and translations especially. Maybe it is not possible, but a good effort goes a long way

[Anonymous No.13865337]

>>13865215
>complicated man.
>man skilled in all ways of contending,
Twisted man is probably more faithful to the original than either of these

[Anonymous No.13865354]

>>13865337
"twisted" in what way?

[Anonymous No.13865355]

Had to read this shit for class
This translation and my professor both insist that Odysseus is evil and represents toxic masculinity and the patriarchy and that the real hero is Penelope

[Anonymous No.13865371]

>>13865355
Odysseus is the hero, but Penelope is the ideal woman. Too bad SJW women won't follow her example, aiming instead of degeneracy and promiscuity. They're just cherrypicking nonsense bacause of her sex.

[Anonymous No.13865387]

>>13865354
Many folds

[Anonymous No.13865412]

>>13865387
Fagles translates it as "man of twists and turns", is that also close?

[Anonymous No.13865604]

>Tell me about a complicated man.
>"complex" comes from latin for "together" + "weave or fold"

You could make the argument that Wilson's line is better than "man of twists and turns" or other such versions. It expresses the same idea in one word, which is really quite elegant if you pay attention to the etymology.

[Anonymous No.13865614]

>>13865604
“No”

[Anonymous No.13865628]

>>13865604
except she's not going for the root word definition but rather the first definition of complicated. her translation (if we can call it that) is one-dimensional and simple.

[Anonymous No.13865629]

>>13865355
you've read no translation of the odyssey and never attended classes on it at all.

[Anonymous No.13865642]

>>13865604
But the result is nonsense, Ulysses is a very simple man

[Anonymous No.13865661]

>>13864506
>The state of Anglo countries.
HAHAHAHAHA. Fuck me. You guys are letting this happen without saying anything?

[Anonymous No.13865673]

>>13864863
This is beyond anything Orwell thought possible. This should be a crime and punished by torture.
Why are you motherfuckers even ACCEPTING all of this crap?

[Anonymous No.13865684]

>>13864863
>let me remove all traces of Christianity from a Catholic poem
This is literally cultural genocide.

[Anonymous No.13865700]

>>13865684
Translator is a Jewess.

[Anonymous No.13865706]

>>13864863
How's this bad?

[Anonymous No.13865718]

>>13865706
You're kidding, right? It's literally a Catholic poem. It's like if you were to translate a Muslim poem and translated Allah as "Santa Claus."

[Anonymous No.13865721]

>>13864863
When did you lads realize that the wrong side won World War 2?

[Anonymous No.13865733]

>>13865706
jfc...

[Anonymous No.13865754]

>>13864972
kek

[Anonymous No.13865755]

>>13865718
It's pretty obvious that it's still dealing with god, now it's more open to people that don't believe in your god. How's that not a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.13865767]

>>13865755
It’s a catholic poem written by a saint you utter fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.13865772]

>>13865755
It perverts the poet's intentions. It was inspired by the Christiand God and it should remain that way. Might as well not translate it at all if you're doing your own nonsense.

[Anonymous No.13865808]

>>13864620
>>13864637
>people here are not too keen on strangers coming from abroad
...but native britons are a minority in london

[Anonymous No.13865816]

>>13865772
Her intentions doesn't matter. Death of the author applys here

[Anonymous No.13865838]

>>13865816
Her? We're talking about poet John of the Cross here, faggot. And "death of the author" is about the interpretation of a text, not about perverting its content.

[Anonymous No.13865847]

>>13865816
>Death of the author applys here
Have you ever read Barthes my dude ?

[Anonymous No.13865875]

No one still hasn't explained what the translator did wrong. You still can read the original work and other translations. Stop getting your panties in a twist
>>13865847
No, i'll admit i haven't. But his concept does apply
>>13865838
His intention IS the content.

[Anonymous No.13865898]

>>13865875
>His intention IS the content.
That's where you're wrong, kid. His intentions might be irrelevant but what's printed in the page is PARAMOUNT. It's a very dishonest tactic to pervert a saint's poem only so it could be more generic in scope. Removing the obviously Christian connotations is missing the point of the poem. If you don't agree with a text, don't translate it. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.13865913]

>>13865875
>No one still hasn't explained what the translator did wrong.
Everything she mentioned there is stylistically and thematically wrong.

[Anonymous No.13866108]

>>13864863
>the convention of Spanish mysticism to refer to the soul in the feminine
>el alma
>el
?

[Anonymous No.13866140]

>>13866108
I'm still not sure what point the translator was trying to make, but alma is indeed a feminine noun. They use 'el' there purely for phonetic reasons (they don't like having two vowels in a row e.g. la alma).

[Anonymous No.13866156]

>>13866108
"alma" is feminine. it's "toda mi alma" (all my soul), not "todo mi alma". "el" is used here so "la alma" doesn't become "lalma" when usually said rapidly in normal conversation.

[Anonymous No.13866189]

>>13866140
>>13866156
So, phonetic concerns take precedence over the gender of the noun? I'm not sure how I missed that in three years of high school Spanish.

[Anonymous No.13866208]

>>13865161
>Genius, said Goethe, reveals itself under conditions of constraint
pretty sure goethe never said that

[Anonymous No.13866217]

>>13866189
I believe it's only a group of words that are considered in this exception, (el alma, el agua, el águila and some others).

[Anonymous No.13866669]

>>13864445
that's why I always say for you people to have the originals saved and the good translations as well, these people will get ride of everyone of them, this is the age of mediocrity, they destroy the things of the past or subvert them because they know they can never compete with it

[Anonymous No.13866952]

>>13865037
>trying this hard to be cool

[Anonymous No.13867224]

>>13865029
Not all politics are equal, and she wrote her book deliberately politically so it must be discussed in that context.

It's not pol to be upset that someone has injected poisonous political opinion into one of humanity's greatest classics.

People like you welcomed the cultural revolution. Just stop posting here, we don't want you.

[Anonymous No.13867238]

>>13865875
Please leave

[Anonymous No.13867248]

>>13867224
> It's not pol to be upset that someone has injected poisonous political opinion into one of humanity's greatest classics
Well said Mein neger

[Anonymous No.13867257]

>>13865215
Wilson blames Odysessius for the death of his men while the original text says no on could save them.

She literally changes the perspective of the poem in the first paragraph.

[Anonymous No.13867300]

>>13865355
>implying the odyssey isn't about odysseus suffering the exact effects war has on women, that he has personally been responsible for in the past
>kept and used for pleasure by a more powerful individual, far from home, weeping and wondering if he will ever see his home or family again
>thrown about by the whims of more powerful beings who saw it fit to use him
I don't know why people feel the need to inject modern politics IN to the odyssey, its already about a rape victim trying to return home to their family.

[Anonymous No.13867320]

>>13864506
We were taught the Richard Lattimore translation at my college.

[Anonymous No.13867430]

>>13867257
>no on could save them.
Not only that, but that they themselves (their own recklessness) were responsible for their demise.

Sure, Wilson as a translator is entitled to translate as she sees fit, and she evens lays out her "scopos" in her introduction (how and why she has translated the way she does). In that respect, her translation is "successful", since it follows her scopos. But other than that, I would consider it a very bland, faulty, and misleading translation of the Homeric poem. One of the things that makes Homer, and Ancient literature in general, so fascinating is that they are so strange to us and yet to similar. That modern neutoric drive to make everything "contemporary" to us is completely idiotic. It is even revisionist. This isn't some kind of feminist conspiracy either. Caroline Alexander produced perhaps the best translation of the Iliad into English while being a feminist. The difference between Alexander and Wilson is that Alexander understands that a translation should show the idiosincracies of the text and of the culture that produced it, while Wilson pretends to patronize and accuse said idiosincracies while presenting her own watered-down, harmless version of that culture and text. Only someone who really hates their work could do something like that.

[Anonymous No.13867577]

>>13864445
I am a simple man I see a woman author or a translator I don't read.

[Anonymous No.13867870]

>>13864445
I liked it. These troll threads are hilarious because all you pseuds come up with clever ways to belittle any writing you don’t like, regurgitating the same talking points to trolls who nail you with a simple image of something you dislike.

Meanwhile, this woman you loathe is translating the classics and making a living at it.

[Anonymous No.13867887]

>>13867870
Her translation is still shit.

[Anonymous No.13868069]

https://kirkcenter.org/reviews/a-coat-of-varnish/

Just read this it's basically all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.13868071]

>>13867577
Just following this simple guideline saves you so much trouble.

[Anonymous No.13868260]

>>13864445
TO BASED OR NOT TO BASED

[Anonymous No.13869463]

>>13865215
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν:
πολλῶν δ᾽ ἀνθρώπων ἴδεν ἄστεα kαὶ νόον ἔγνω,
πολλὰ δ᾽ ὅ γ᾽ ἐν πόντῳ πάθεν ἄλγεα ὃν kατὰ θυμόν,
5ἀρνύμενος ἥν τε ψυχὴν kαὶ νόστον ἑταίρων.
ἀλλ᾽ οὐδ᾽ ὣς ἑτάρους ἐρρύσατο, ἱέμενός περ:
αὐτῶν γὰρ σφετέρῃσιν ἀτασθαλίῃσιν ὄλοντο,
νήπιοι, οἳ kατὰ βοῦς Ὑπερίονος Ἠελίοιο
ἤσθιον: αὐτὰρ ὁ τοῖσιν ἀφείλετο νόστιμον ἦμαρ.
10τῶν ἁμόθεν γε, θεά, θύγατερ Διός, εἰπὲ kαὶ ἡμῖν.

[Anonymous No.13869499]

can anyone post some text of wilson's odyssey so i can check it against the greek?

[Anonymous No.13869507]

>>13864519
I've studied the Odyssey twice in my three years at college. The first with an older professor in a survey of early world lit - we used Fitzgerald. Just last semester I took a class on 20th and 21st century U.S. lit... with a focus on greek mythology in that period. So we read this. It's obviously more juvenile, and seemed to me missing whole swaths of text? I can't confirm this. Wilson's text just felt more lacking than Fitzgerald.

[Anonymous No.13869551]

>>13869463
>Wilson translates “polytropon” as “complicated”
>literally poly-tropon, “many ways”
Why can no one but Lattimore do this properly?

[Anonymous No.13869564]

>>13864445
this is the worst translation and not just because she's a woman, other translations by women are alright.

[Anonymous No.13869573]

>>13865037
Why would someone learn Greek when Latin is lot more beautiful and all you need?

[Anonymous No.13869580]

>>13864620
reading this feels like reading some bad literature aimed at children

[Anonymous No.13869581]

>>13864466
>Tell me the story of a complicated man

[Anonymous No.13869591]

>>13865029
>All translation is a political act

[Anonymous No.13869608]

>>13869551
hugh g evelyn-white translates the word as many shifts in homeric hymn to hermes

[Anonymous No.13869635]

Why are women so fucking awful

>lucy ellman recently being shilled
>"I'M A WOMAN, AS A WOMAN NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO MY BOOK JUST BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN BUT AS A PROUD WOMAN I WROTE THIS BOOK AS A WOMAN"
>it's derivative mediocrity
>emily wilson shilled up and down across the entire press
>"I'M A WOMAN AS A WOMAN WOMAN TRANSLATOR, WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN"
>it's a third-rate bizarre translation that wouldn't have received a single review if it had just been some guy publishing it
>any time a woman is a famous intellectual, 95% chance it's because of some relation she has to a man (starfucker, socialite, torrid love affair, erstwhile "abuse" victim)
>any time a woman stops being famous she desperately begs for attention 5-20 years later by going "H-hey everyone remember me, well back in the day when I was famous for being a middling poet who had sex with an actually famous poet, he peed on my tits and I didn't like that so interview me a dozen times and read my memoir"

Like do they even have shame over the fact that everything is an extension of their gender, everything is related to their gender, everything is purchased by trading in their gender for a free "leg up" or a free foot in the door?

[Anonymous No.13869645]

>>13865187
translators have been using vernacular slang to translate the odyssey since forever. fagles, lattimore, and many other contemporary translations use bitch and whore when translating words that have been translated before as dog-eyed or hounded, the etymology of which is closer to what the greeks likely meant. wilson has other issues with her translation, but slang is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.13869667]

>>13869608
homeric hymn to hermes is an excellent example because it immediately goes on to give a series of deeds that makes him so......... she bare a son, of many shifts, blandly cunning, a robber, a cattle driver, a bringer of dreams, a watcher by night, a thief at the gates, one who was soon to show forth wonderful deeds among the deathless gods.

[Anonymous No.13869708]

>>13869645
"bitch" literally means "female dog". it's not slang. and in any case her use of "scalawag" is simply cringe and out of place.

[Anonymous No.13869720]

>>13869667
forest gump is polutropon,a cripple,a football star,soldier,wanderer, shrimp boat captain,long distance runner,ang father...he is not cunning or ''complicated'' but he is most definitely polutropon

[Anonymous No.13869730]

what a dumbed down and cringe translation lmao she gives a bad rap to female translators, many of which I'm sure are good

[Anonymous No.13869736]

>>13869645
>dog-eyed or hounded,this painting captures the expression,

[Anonymous No.13869749]

>>13864863
I want Zeus to smite her

[Anonymous No.13869752]

>>13869720
He also played ping pong

[Anonymous No.13869753]

>>13869736
why athena looks like the virgin mary?

[Anonymous No.13869754]

>>13869645
"Whore" and "bitch" are not slang, both have deep pre-medieval roots

[Anonymous No.13869761]

>>13869736
hangdog shamefacedness butler calls it,most literal is sideways glancing bitchface

[Anonymous No.13869773]

>>13869645
"Whore" is a very old word, I'm sure it appears in the KJV and perhaps even in Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.13869798]

>>13869773
πόρνη • (pórnē) f (genitive πόρνης); first declension

female prostitute...its where the word porn comes from

[Anonymous No.13871027]

based lattimore

[Anonymous No.13871057]

>>13869736
is it weird that i've always wanted to be dominated by athena

[Anonymous No.13871227]

>>13869753
i mean she basically occupies a similar role in the greek pantheon.

[Anonymous No.13871241]

>>13865084
>>13865120
Not the best juxtaposition of posts tbqh

[Anonymous No.13871287]

>>13865215
>and he who moves all day through heaven
>took from their eyes the dawn of their return.
That last line is one of my favorite lines. Fitzgerald's Odyssey is astounding as a whole.

>>13865269
Well, they were both written by Americans.

[Anonymous No.13871368]

>>13865029
>le rational centrist that somehow sides with the liberals politics for some reason

[Anonymous No.13871452]

>>13871287
>Well, they were both written by Americans.
The shitty one is the most recent and currently praised by burgers, though.

[Anonymous No.13871487]

>>13864863
It's shit like this that blows my mind how people can still think Hitler did anything wrong.

[Anonymous No.13871538]

>>13864620
>>13864637
Here is the same passage translated by Robert Fitzgerald

[Anonymous No.13871548]

>>13864445
>>13864445
I just wanted everyone to know I have a big penis but this message will be lost before the thread 404s

[Anonymous No.13871553]

>>13864637
>Mr Foreigner
this is a joke, right?

[Anonymous No.13871562]

>>13871538
Damn, Lennon was right. Women truly are the n word of the world. AI wombs when?

[Anonymous No.13871596]

>>13871057
no it's not anon, i wanted athena to step on me since i read the iliad.
we are not weird at all, there are many men who secretly think that way.

[Anonymous No.13871661]

>>13865875
>But his concept does apply
That's not his concept

[Anonymous No.13871685]

>>13864637
>Mr. Foreigner
Wat

Anyway, I guess this thread is just about this meme translation. But I just want to say that I fucking love the Odyssey. It got me into reading when I was 15 and recently I've re-read it and it has lost nothing of its quality. It is delightful down to earth yet epic.

[Anonymous No.13871701]

>>13864863
Somebody should post this to the catholic thread.

[Anonymous No.13871726]

>>13869507
>and seemed to me missing whole swaths of text?
It's certainly shorter.

[Anonymous No.13871741]

>>13869507
it's dumbed down to 2-grade level English. Literally for retards. "Mr Foreigner". Give me a fucking break.

[Anonymous No.13871878]

>>13865355
This never happened

[Anonymous No.13871956]

>>13869507
Probably because Wilson uses iambic pentameter instead of hexameters, so she compresses a lot of information and the text itself looks shorter, although it has the exact same number of lines as the Greek text.

[Anonymous No.13872062]

>>13869798
πόρνη is not used once in the odyssey. but for example, fagles and others have translated kυνώπιδος (4.148) as "shameless whore" when it's otherwise been "dog-eyed". helen uses it to describe herself for having been kidnapped or ran away with paris. it's a poetic choice to ascribe dog-eyed with shameless whore.

[Anonymous No.13872159]

>>13869507
all this studying yet you dont realize that it's almost the exact line count that the greek has. many parts of wilson's text are also more true to the greek than a poet like fitzgerald is, to its benefit or not. im not defending wilson to the grave, but i don't think everything she does is inexcusable.

[Anonymous No.13872171]

>>13872159
nice try, Emily, but we know your version is shit.

[Anonymous No.13872190]

>>13872159
>all this studying yet you dont realize that it's almost the exact line count that the greek has
Exact same line count with a considerably shorter poetic meter. Dactylic hexameter generally has six feet consisting of three syllables, and Wilson's iambic pentameter has five feet consisting of two syllables. She's essentially torn off a third of the page, like Victor Borge when he ran out of piano. How could anyone take a translation that exorcises Homeros' epithets seriously?

[Anonymous No.13872349]

>>13872062
in iliad achilles calls agamemnon kυνῶπα

[Anonymous No.13872373]

>>13872349
you shameless cur, as translated by A. S. Kline

[Anonymous No.13872553]

>>13872190
i use the odyssey as a means to learn ancient greek, and wilson's version has helped me a lot in that sense. she is neither a good poet nor correct at all times in her translations, but she has made a good tool for learning greek.
beyond that, her commitment to the greek rightfully turns odysseus into a somewhat morally questionable character, where instead of hanging servant whores who aligned with the suitors and betrayed odysseus, he hangs slaves whom had no choice but to please their guests via xenia and so on.
i know fitzgerald also called them slaves at one point, but by the end he throws it to the side and calls them maids instead.
anyways, i think she's worth taking seriously in some areas, and in others not so much. idk man, i think some of you get too worked up about some of this stuff, but i guess that's what makes you guys cute to me

[Anonymous No.13872638]

I already read the issues I'm not reading that shit again. Who the fuck reads multiple translation of the same story?

[Anonymous No.13872919]

I read the Lawrence prose translation desu

[Anonymous No.13873353]

>>13872638
me

[Anonymous No.13873494]

>>13872638
you actually read this meme translation?

[Anonymous No.13873555]

>>13872159
>>13872553
Isn't Lattimore's translation line for line as well?

[Anonymous No.13874108]

>>13873555
Yep, and Verity's translation is line for line as well. That feature is not particularly special.

[Anonymous No.13874151]

>>13873555
ye
>>13874108
i didnt mean to say it was

[Anonymous No.13874187]

>>13872373
shameless is the best word there no? dog-eyed/shameless are fairly synonymous. cur is more of a liberty.

[Anonymous No.13874730]

>>13865721
I think I always knew deep down.

[Anonymous No.13874757]

>>13869635
Women literally cannot feel shame. Social embarrassment is the closet emotion they understand.