Start with the Greeks! But where?

[Anonymous No.13839972]

I guess one should start with Plato but nobody has time nor energy to read 1,8k of oligarchic pederast gibberish. He's necessary for Aristotle and he's in turn necessary for modern and post-modern philosophy.

So where did you start? Did you shamelessly buy individual Penguin Classics like coombrains or did you get this monstrosity?

[Anonymous No.13839979]

Based Plato still filtering plebs after all these years

[Anonymous No.13839982]

>>13839979
reading comprehension, nigger, where do you start and what editions do you buy?

[Anonymous No.13839983]

>>13839972
Neither, I read Schleiermacher's translation

[Anonymous No.13839986]

>>13839972
I just followed link
https://mega.nz/#!Y0Ej2QCT!-CmU3OEZfJM_j9bhHbdIVwGsO0f3XSGUabp9LYnkXKY

[Anonymous No.13839988]

>>13839972
I read Homer and Hesiod and the lyric poets and Herodotus and Aescyllus and Sophocles and Thucydides and Euripides and Xenophon and Aristophanes and the Presocs first because I'm a non-degenerate.

[Anonymous No.13839994]

Just bought this exact book.
Gonna start this weekend I think. Should I just read it in order? It starts with Apology

[Anonymous No.13840000]

>>13839988
>I'm totally gonna get around to this in a few days so claiming I already have isn't really lying
You haven't read shit nibba

[Anonymous No.13840005]

>>13840000
cope

[Anonymous No.13840007]

>>13839994
are you going to be reading things alongside it or slug through this before you touch on anything else first?
>>13839988
I have bought Penguin's Thucydides, Xenophon and another print's Edith Hamilton and am planning to start after I get through Siddhartha which should be this week.

Nobody should start on Plato just like that, that's retarded
>>13839986
thanks famalam

[Anonymous No.13840008]

>>13840005
lol, deep irony on this one

[Anonymous No.13840016]

>>13840000
quints of truth

[Anonymous No.13840091]

>>13840007
>are you going to be reading things alongside?
I have Bertrand Russell’s A History of Western Philosophy and Edith Hamilton’s Mythology. Should I read their sections on the Greeks first?

[Anonymous No.13840685]

>>13839972
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

Learn to read the sticky, newfriend

[Anonymous No.13840743]

Aristotle is only necessary for Plato.
Otherwise you have no reason to read him [Aristotle]
>mr literally wrong about everything

[Anonymous No.13841083]

>>13840091
Yeah that seems pretty wise I guess.
>>13840685
;) no

[Anonymous No.13841108]

>>13839972
Start with Epicurus.

[Anonymous No.13841511]

>>13839972
Don't bother the Greeks are a waste of time and have no relevance today beyond historical analysis. Modern science and mathematical logic have rendered philosophy obsolete - start reading beginner books in these areas and you'll understand reality better than a lifetime of reading ancient hocus pocus by dead men.

[Anonymous No.13841540]

>>13840091
Bertrand Russell is very opinionated, be wary of how he describes certain ideas

[Anonymous No.13841647]

Homer --> Hesiod --> Pindar (and other lyric poets) --> Tragedians --> Presocratics --> Plato
You might as well place Herodotus between Pindar and the tragedians, and Thucydides after Plato.
A super streamlined reading order would be Homer --> Plato, but you would be losing a lot, imo. That is, if you actually want to >Start with the Greeks. If you just want to read philosophy, then follow https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/mobilebasic?pli=1

Also, remember to read pic related before anything else. I can personally vouch for its quality. For the presocratics, Kirk & Raven's The Presocratic Philosophers is probably the best introduction/manual for them.

[Anonymous No.13841663]

>>13839979
Plato is a lesser pleb filter, trust me. Aristotle is the real pleb filter.

After they give up on Aristotle’s Metaphysics or Prior Analytics you can be assured they do not belong on /lit/

[Anonymous No.13841838]

>>13841511
Can you give us a list?

[Anonymous No.13841848]

>>13841511
>Platonic dialogues, which are basically brain exercises in logic and reasoning, are obsolete
Based retard

[Anonymous No.13841870]

>>13841663
More like they give up on Metaphysics, go to a YouTube summary then shitpost on /lit about it and Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.13841984]

>>13841647
So if it's just for philosophy I should do Homer --> Plato? I am reading Homer right now.

[Anonymous No.13841990]

If you believe that contemporary translations you gotta pay for are any better than translations made 100 years ago available for free on Project Gutenberg or Wikipedia, then you are a filthy collectivist-minded naïve realist who prioritizes form over substance.

[Anonymous No.13842051]

>>13841984
Homer ain't philosophy at all. It's just mythology n shit. Some virtue ethicists (like Plato and Epictetus) use Greek heroes or gods as examples of people who, despite being admired by the average person, commited cowardly or villanous actions and ought therefore not to be thought of as models to be followed blindly. If you want to start with the Greeks for the sake of learning about Ancient Greek culture, then it would make plenty of sense to begin with Homer and Hesiod, follow that up with Herodotus, Thucydides, the 3 Tragedians (Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides), the Pre-Socratic fragments, Plato, Xenophon, Aristotle, Polybius, Plutarch, Euclid, the New Testament, the Greek Church Fathers, Cassius Dio, the Romans, and everything else till the fall of Rome (or Constantinople, if you wanna take it even further), but taking that path would be more centred on learning about Greek history and culture than it would be on learning philosophy.

When it comes to learning about philosophy proper, it would be no more beneficial to begin with Homer than it would be to begin with the Vedas. Both of them did inspire philosophers in their respective cultures in certain specific aspects, even though when it comes to actually understanding an argument and knowing what somebody intends to say, not on a historical-hermeneutic basis, but merely on the basis of mapping out pure logical connections, it would be best to actually head straight into philosphical works and do this dissection yourself.

[Anonymous No.13842165]

>>13842051
>euclid
Yeah, geometry really is important for literature

[Anonymous No.13842228]

>>13839972
>I guess one should start with Plato but nobody has time nor energy to read 1,8k of oligarchic pederast gibberish.
Most students do. Also Plato is possibly the first philosopher who gave strong arguments for the categorical prohibition of pederasty. My man and Socrates were having none of that shit.
>He's necessary for Aristotle and he's in turn necessary for modern and post-modern philosophy.
They are, but you're not meant to skim through these dialogues. Also chances are that you still don't know how deep these texts are.
My advice would be to pick a dialogue, read it by yourself, then read a commentary of it. The standard choices in the Anglophone world are usually Ross or Cornford.
Also don't skim through dialogues one after another. Remember that you are meant to understand every passage in those books. Pick 1 to 3 dialogues and stick with them for at least a month, while also reading secondary literature on them. After a while you'll get the gist of it, so that you'll need much less guidance.

[Anonymous No.13842229]

>>13839986
based free booooks poster

[Anonymous No.13842241]

>>13839972
>No one has the time or energy

Yes ill have fries with that,

[Anonymous No.13843210]

>>13841984
Homer --> Presocratics --> Plato

Don't listen to this guy >>13842051
Homer is fundamental to understanding Ancient Greek culture and philosophy, since most of what came to be understood as "Ancient Greek culture" took its ethical and aesthetic foundation from Homer. Plato himself deals extensively with both Homeric epics, and you are reading it anyway, so be sure to read both. The Presocratics are also important in order to understand where Plato/Socrates where coming from and also what they where aiming to do.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.13843230]

>>13839972
I started with an old leatherbound gilded copy of the trial and death of Socrates. My dad left it to me when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.13843253]

>>13841511
FPBP

[Anonymous No.13843317]

>>13843210
Thanks man, I've also heard it's a good idea to read Herodotus before getting into the philosophy parts, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.13843345]

>>13843317
He is not necessary for philosophy, though I really like the Histories. Read him if you are interested, but otherwise don't. By the way, that Hackett edition of Plato is really good. It might be a little expensive, but think of it as a lifetime investment.