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Mexico's Independence Day Anonymous Mon Sep 16 16:38:45 2019 No.13829062 [Reply] [Original]

Today is Mexico's Independence Day. Share your favorite Mexican writers, novels, short stories, poems, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 17:31:31 2019 No.13829329 >>13829062 No lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 17:39:57 2019 No.13829381 File: 71 KB, 522x522, 90909090.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13829329 ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 17:41:02 2019 No.13829391 >>13829062 I never read Carlos Fuentes but he seems awesome.

Anonymous Mon Sep 16 18:30:01 2019 No.13829695

Fuentes' Terra Nostra is an apotheosis for the entire hispanophone world, and a genuine masterpiece.

Sor Juana's verses verge on sublimity. Gutierre de Cetina's ouvre is the epitome of Spanish golden age literature. Vasconcelos and his latin microcosm is admirable. Alfonso Reyes has exemplary prose for any tongue. Fernández de Lizardi penned the height of picaresque texts in Mexico. Rulfo is a precursor to García Márquez and unfortunately eclipsed by the latter's (deserved) popularity, but his Pedro Páramo is a masterwork in terms of narrative and national ethos

And I still concede mexican literature is relatively lacking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 18:39:46 2019 No.13829751 >>13829695 yea it's kinda lacking but when you get into it there are many good works and authors you wouldn't have discovered otherwise through the mainstream

Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:29:07 2019 No.13830386

>>13829062
Imagine your entire identity being based off of getting colonized

Mexicans have no literature or art that isn’t cringe and any decent piece of architecture in Mexico was built by Spaniards and the only decent composer was 100% white (Ponce)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:30:39 2019 No.13830396 File: 48 KB, 575x429, 0830DE4B-94EC-411D-9BE7-D58F19735902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13829062

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:31:20 2019 No.13830403 >>13830386 >Mexicans have no literature or art that isn’t cringe More like you don't know any Mexican literature or art that isn't cringe. > and the only decent composer was 100% white (Ponce) Still Mexican, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:31:48 2019 No.13830406 File: 226 KB, 1590x1062, valerialuiselli.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13829062 pls do not lewd my mexican waifu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:33:31 2019 No.13830419 >>13830406 she left Enrigue, the whore. he's the better writer, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:55:37 2019 No.13830555 File: 27 KB, 301x595, 263E9782-C07E-4FB9-BE12-B1B089E4C324.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] no

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 20:58:20 2019 No.13830571 >>13830555 very original comment, you should be an author.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 21:31:06 2019 No.13830733 >>13829062 Roberto Bolano is probs my favorite mexican author along with Jorge Luis Borges desu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 21:33:13 2019 No.13830745 File: 39 KB, 640x360, 9c4fff4a-5820-48bc-a4f9-69d82ac66560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13830406 hmmmm

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 21:34:27 2019 No.13830753 >>13830733 kek you joke, but Bolaño is probably Mexican in the same way Nabokov is American

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:30:32 2019 No.13831061 Obviously Juan Rulfo (?) Inés Arredondo Daniel Sada Juan Vicente Melo Salvador Elizondo Mario Bellatin Sergio Pitol Valeria Luiselli (kind of) Julián Herbert

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:32:46 2019 No.13831076 >ctrl +f "Álvaro Enrigue" >0 results Are you faggots even trying anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:37:38 2019 No.13831102 >>13830733 You gotta be shitting me anon. There's no way you're so stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:38:46 2019 No.13831106 >>13829391 Yeah well he's shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:42:28 2019 No.13831123 >>13831106 t. hasn't read Terra Nostra

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:49:34 2019 No.13831163 >>13830733 I like Dante, Calvino and Hugo, Mexican lit rocks!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:52:17 2019 No.13831177 >>13831106 *Has

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 22:54:05 2019 No.13831185 >>13831123 *Has

Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:24:43 2019 No.13831320
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>>13830386
That's a really fucking stupid statement. IF you want to brag about composers, you should check Silvestre Revueltas and Agustín Lara before saying shit about mexican composing. Also, all the folklorical classics are real masterpieces. And the identity of mexicans from colonization was an identity of the XIX century, not from today. Identity comes from actual native material and spiritual culture not from bullshit xenophobe shit like much of America's identity (first the british, then the irish, then the latinos).
If you still think mexican art/literature is shit, just check this artists/writers: Diego Rivera, Frida Kahlo, Siqueiros, Remedios Varo, Juan Rulfo, David Toscana, Mariano Azuela, Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, Manuel Payno, Jaime Sabines, Xavier Villaurrutia and the list goes on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:25:33 2019 No.13831325 >>13830396 I thought north mexicans were white?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:40:47 2019 No.13831400 >>13831325 the region was originally settled by (((marranos))) fleeing the spanish inquisition

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:45:00 2019 No.13831414 File: 65 KB, 200x338, RH33904.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Loved this book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:45:40 2019 No.13831420 >>13831414 it's indeed kino

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 16 23:46:38 2019 No.13831424 >>13831414 Read it last week, soo awesome

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:05:31 2019 No.13831530 File: 514 KB, 1024x768, 43433443.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13830386 >not rating Juventino Rosas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzCCQZFDkJk

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:11:18 2019 No.13831556 >>13830386 I hate Mexicans but this is just dumb. The Spanish did to Mexico what the French did to the Anglos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:12:20 2019 No.13831562 >>13831556 >I hate Mexicans Why do you hate me, Anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:13:05 2019 No.13831568 >>13831562 Immigration, plain and simple. The Mexicans below the border are fine by me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:15:44 2019 No.13831578 >>13831568 Well, that's where I am, in Mexico, I'm not parasiting any foreign land. I'd shoot every central american illegal on our southern border if I could o to help you with your (and now our) problems but muh human rights.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:21:28 2019 No.13831600 File: 230 KB, 1024x778, jose-emilio-pacheco.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] José Emilio Pacheco 4ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 00:24:07 2019 No.13831612 >>13831578 Basado y rojopillado :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 03:33:03 2019 No.13832192 File: 84 KB, 1000x933, amparo-davila-060118-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Amparo Dávila is top-tier creepy and weird fiction.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 05:32:05 2019 No.13832409
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Here's a poem from Nezahualcoyotl, the most famous king of the Aztec city-state of Texcoco and who was an intellectual polymath, both desinging aquaduct and dike systems and writing poetry and being a patron of the arts.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 07:14:27 2019 No.13832723
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>>13832409
also I have a mega of Precolumbian resources, esp. for Mesoamerica here mega.nz/#F!vtQ2EIKK!Z7R8gN5vTsfalKDn18jOmw . I also have an art drive (mostly mesoamerican) here drive.google.com/open?id=15iey5ZMTHflLHbMVGPRsyBLKLcHGCsKb which will eventually get folded into that mega

reddit.com/r/history/comments/9jwhhu/silly_questions_saturday_september_29_2018/e72toxp/ is a post by a dude I coordinate with on Mesoamerican stuff which has additional resources (booklists, suggested artists/channels etc; the askhistorians post list esp. is a good starting place)

also here's a bunch of prior posts of mine

>Daily aztec life desuarchive.org/his/thread/5446429/#5466013 and OP here desuarchive.org/his/thread/5529489/#5529489
>Info on sacrifice fireden.net/v/thread/472484567/#472498581, specifically for the last link there with the 20 post series, see also fireden.net/v/thread/468469029/#468479573 as a disclaimer
>Info on Aztec warfare: archived.moe/k/thread/39206407, an updated version here I never finished here: fireden.net/v/thread/461820979/#461904652 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/42148105/#42180011
>Info on on metallurgy, watercraft, and briefly on politics and administration: desuarchive.org/his/thread/4232340/#4233526, way more info on politics here pastebin.com/h18M28BR
>Info on why the Conquest of Mexico was extremely lucky and how itt easily could have failed desuarchive.org/his/thread/5526254/#5526329 and shorter version: fireden.net/v/thread/441551507/#441565260
>An overall summery of Mesoamerican history: desuarchive.org/his/thread/4176613 Albeit the posts posts 11 to 16 in the main reply chain is made obsolete by desuarchive.org/his/thread/5285820/#5290147; also pic related
>A brief overview of city sizes, hydraulics, sanitation, and botany: desuarchive.org/his/thread/5506706/#5528682 and a longer version I never finished here: desuarchive.org/k/thread/39546199/#39557233
>A debunk of Aztec gods being white/Montezuma thinking Cortes was quetzalcoatl + the spread and variations of mesoamerican feathered serpent gods: desuarchive.org/a/thread/193107477/#193118717 ; though I wasn't able to finish, you can see what would have been my final post here: https://pastebin.com/0wPxh1MF

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:08:35 2019 No.13834222 Josefina Vicens is an excellent novelist. A few months ago I read her two novels (Los años falsos and El libro vacío) and was amazed by her psychological insight and construction, especially in the former.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:10:01 2019 No.13834226 >>13829062 Cervantes

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:11:04 2019 No.13834234
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>>13832723
Whoa I was just getting all curious about Mesoamerica recently and desperately looking for these kind of intro/thumbnail sketch starting points before jumping into real nigga books about it

Thanks man, gonna look over all this when I get home

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:34:25 2019 No.13834351

>>13834234
no problem anon, feel free to also email me at saintseiyasource@gmail.com if you have questions (especially since knowing which books to jump into when the mega has hundreds is sort of duanting), though i'll warn you I'm really bad at replying on a timely basis so if you use a throwaway be sure to check it every few weeks/months or set it up to auto-foward to your real address

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:04:49 2019 No.13834542

>>13834234
>>13834351
ALso i'll say if you do want a good foundation before getting into real academic books on them, reading all the posts in that askhistorians post pastebin in the plebbit link will you give you a pretty solid foundation

and the mega and that booklist also has a lot of the actual books you'll want to reead as well, thoiugh since the booklist isn't organized yet with discriptions you can't really rell whjat's vouched or not vs what he added out of personal interest, but, again, I can do my best to give you specific suggestions as well if you email me

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:03:49 2019 No.13834826 >>13830403 >> and the only decent composer was 100% white (Ponce) >Still Mexican, though. Arriba los güeros, cabrones.

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