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How do I get into postmodernism? Are there any charts?

>> No.13805264
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13805264

Disregard the pol

>> No.13805474

You should probably specify which decades you're interested in. Post modernism generally covers everything from Orwell to the current day, with obvious differences over time.

>> No.13805479

>>13805474
Like basic bitch 101 postmodernist philosophy. Idc what decade that is.

>> No.13805483

is post-modernism a political ideology?

>> No.13805517

>>13805251
it's a bunch of reactions to previous ideas that have no central thing uniting them. It's not just a reaction to Modernism, because they're constantly talking about way older stuff. The term is honestly dumb, all it can really mean is that they're not on board with the large-scale totalizing Modernist theories, but that is hardly a new thing, and they made their own grand narratives, so it's all kind of a meme.

>> No.13805556

Three starting points: Either Fredric Jameson, Lyotard, or Harvey.

>> No.13805574

>>13805517
I tend to disagree to the extend that post-modernism is also characterized by the definately post 40's social mentality that the once hoped for revolutionary potential of change (and science) in modernism would lead us to an utopia. Post-modernism is post this modernist hopes, so different than what could have been before modernsim

>> No.13806849

>>13805251

I'd start with the analytic philosophy that heavily influenced postmodernism like Quine's Two Dogmas of Empiricism and Kuhn's the Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Also keep the historical context in mind - two disastrous world wars enabled by science, disillusionment with the Soviet Union, rejection of modernism by early 20th century artists. Then check out Foucault and Barthes.

>> No.13807790

>>13805483
Nott really. It's seen as a historical stage in the human condition that we have begun to enter.

>> No.13807850

Foucault and Baudrillard are accessible

>> No.13807863

>>13805264
>Dude just read critique

>> No.13807872

>>13805251
Don't post this reactionary shit. My definition of a postmodernist is a homosexual reactionary.

>> No.13807888

>>13805479
America, Baudrillard

>> No.13807909

>>13807872
Fuck off faggot

>> No.13807919

It's a bit of a je ne sais quoi if you catch my drift.

>> No.13808090

>>13807790
so a post-modernist can be a communist or a nazi?

>> No.13808119

>>13808090
stop your groupthink

>> No.13808303

>>13808119
but post-modernism itself is a group think

>> No.13808316

>>13807790
>that we have begun to enter.
Begun to enter? By most accounts postmodernism has been going on already since the 70s.

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13808318

What does /lit/ think of cuck philosophy's new video on Baudrillard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9J35yzM3E

>> No.13808350

>>13805251
You're asking for a grandnarrative of postmodernism?

>> No.13808367 [DELETED] 

>>13808316
I suppose that means he's predicting that it's going to hold on for very very long (the enter phase of 50 year relatively speaking not being far into it)

>> No.13808371

>>13808316
I suppose that means he's predicting that it's going to hold on for very very long (the enter phase of 50 year relatively speaking not being far into it)

>>13808318
It's good - I mean he mostly reports of other peoples decisions and afaik he doesn't obscure any side, so it's good.
He's a very bearable youtuber overall.

>> No.13808466

>>13808303
brainlet

>> No.13808471

>>13808466
how?

>> No.13808570

Literature or philosophy? There seems to be an odd tension between them.

>> No.13809247

>>13808570
Philosophy

>> No.13809260

>>13805483
Postmodernism and left-wing politics are pretty much indivisible despite there being no obvious correlation between them. Postmodernism has its roots on the Frankfurt School and marxist ideology and it shows.

>> No.13809280

>>13809260
Also neeche

>> No.13809284

>>13809260
read a book

>> No.13809287

>>13809284
You could try proving me wrong instead of expecting me to reach the conclusions you reached on a certain subject.

>> No.13809293

>>13809260
Stop parrotting misreadings

>> No.13810615

>>13808318
it's really nice

>> No.13810924

>>13809260
>Postmodernism and left-wing
What would the opposite of this be? I like postmodernist lit, but I don't consider myself left leaning.

>> No.13810939

>>13809260
Postmodernism applies to the right reactionaries storytelling just as much

>> No.13811195

>>13805251
Start with Saussure's Course in General Linguistics. It is the key to understanding Structuralists and Post-Structuralists.

>> No.13811388

>At a legendary seminar held at the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in 1988, two high-profile philosophers, Jean Baudrillard and Jean-François Lyotard, confronted each other. Their conversation gradually evolved into metaphysical speculation, and they agreed that this was both “delirious and reasonable”. But then Baudrillard disengaged: “I am highly perplexed by this ….” Baudrillard was keen on discussing post-modern melancholia now that everything was “post” and “dead”. But he could not relate to the dizzying time scale for diagnosing contemporary society that Lyotard presented in these terms: “Everything may already have exploded, but nevertheless we may still be certain that one thing has yet to explode – and this explosion will not constitute a revolution: The sun … We know that it will happen 4.5 billion years from now […] I would say that regardless of whether one realises it or not, all the endeavours of techno-scientific work is carried out in order to allow for the preservation of brain functioning after the solar explosion. ‘They’ are all preparing the solar exodus …”
you guys know where i can read more on this? beyond the source on this particular quote. please

>> No.13811413

>>13811388
>muh space diaspora
lol they're creating an effective God and heaven/hell on earth, and in the face of this all the drivel the pomo's have spewed is even more irrelevant