/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13802746]

>Those poor simpletons who don't read and blame their depression on "chemical imbalance" and treat it with pills and a jew who charges $200 an hour because they've encouraged a culture where negativity is taboo even among family members
>"It's YOU anon, YOU'RE sick"

[Anonymous No.13802763]

>>13802746
I literally cannot respect anyone who takes SSRIs and sees psychotherapists, I respect people into findom more

[Anonymous No.13802813]

>>13802763
Based and red pilled at least the findom idiot gets off out of it.

[Anonymous No.13802887]

>>13802763
what if seeing a psychologist is mandatory part of getting neetbux?

[Anonymous No.13802888]

>seing a psychologist for 2 years now for free
>not taking any medication

[Anonymous No.13802916]

>>13802746
If he was so smart why did he let himself be tortured for years and stayed willingly?

[Anonymous No.13802921]

>>13802888
Did it help?

[Anonymous No.13802940]

>>13802921
Define help.

[Anonymous No.13802943]

>>13802746
>nigger that’s Berkeley not Harvard
>>13802763
Why because serotonin is the devils cum and a psychotherapist fucked your mother? What are you repressing anon?

[Anonymous No.13802947]

>>13802943
He's projecting

[Anonymous No.13802964]

>>13802940
Did it help with your initial problems?

[Anonymous No.13802966]

>>13802940
Are your neuroticism levels down? Do you still have disproportionate emotional outbursts that leave you bewildered and ashamed? Do you still want to murder every person who laughs at you for being a pathetic incompetent mess? And most importantly, have you forgiven your mother for not being able to love you like you needed?

[Anonymous No.13802970]

>>13802746
Stoic reporting in

[Anonymous No.13802974]

>>13802746
All I have are negative thoughts

[Anonymous No.13802992]

>>13802943
>immediately ad-hominems like a fuvking robot
You are Why.

[Anonymous No.13803002]

>>13802992
>pl...please love me

[Anonymous No.13803005]

>>13802964
I started seeing one because of tremendous complex anxiety and depression that a normal therapist couldn't fix.
>>13802966
>Are your neuroticism levels down?
Yes I learnt to talk to people, I'm overall less spergy
> Do you still have disproportionate emotional outbursts that leave you bewildered and ashamed?
I used to when I started seeing her but overtime I felt less and less. For the past year I've felt very much numb. Depending on how you look at it it's a pro or a con.
>Do you still want to murder every person who laughs at you for being a pathetic incompetent mess?
I used to for most of my life, I still do sometimes if they really get on my nerves but now it's more of agreeing with them that I am a pathetic incompetent mess. Also, I've found that in recent times instead of fantasising about murdering I fantasise about being murdered by strangers when in stressful situations.
>And most importantly, have you forgiven your mother for not being able to love you like you needed?
I have a very complicated relationship with my mother that alternates from feeling apathetic about her to wanting to murder her. I haven't been able to talk to my psychologist about the very traumatic stuff that has happened to me - some involving my mother - so all of that stuff is still in there unresolved is waiting for the bandages wrought upon by my psychologist to fail and I will crash and burn.

[Anonymous No.13803037]

>>13803005
Whad ur mam do to you? Did she keep her close on for it?

[Anonymous No.13803038]

>>13802746
>muh jooz
why do you /pol/tards have to dilute every good thinker with your faggotry?

[Anonymous No.13803049]

>>13803005
>her
You spoke to a woman?

Jesus christ...

[Anonymous No.13803054]

>>13803038
Are you denying jews are overepresented in psychology/psychiatry/medicine?

[Anonymous No.13803063]

>>13803005
>so all of that stuff is still in there unresolved
Your life isn't a movie, it will never resolve itself. Talking about things doesn't heal them. Get a grip on reality, shitty things happened and that's all there is to say about it. There's no "healing process".

[Anonymous No.13803066]

>>13803038
Psychology is a stereotypical jewish profession anon

[Anonymous No.13803079]

>>13803054
For the same reason there are more whites in those professions than niggers; high iq.

[Anonymous No.13803088]

>>13803063
Spoken like a true unhealed person

[Anonymous No.13803106]

>>13803079
So you agree there's way more jews than statistically there should be and that saying "jews push pills and psychiatry" is not an unfair statement?

[Anonymous No.13803110]

>>13803088
Yeah, and your years of psychiatric "help" have gotten you where?

A general numbing of all emotions from the SSRI's and a delusion that you're "working through your baggage" when really what you're doing is telling your life story and whining to a stranger because your family is so fucked up none of them want to hear it.

[Anonymous No.13803129]

>>13803106
It's not even technically correct. The proportion of Jews that are psychiatrists is very small, so, no, Jews on average don't "push pills and psychiatry". Moreover, even if we grant that it is a technically, syntactically, correct sentence, anyone can see that you're using loaded language on purpose to imply some sort of malevolence on their part.

[Anonymous No.13803136]

>>13803088
Spoken as an actually sane person.
"Personal growth" is narrativization of a non narrative universe. Litteral magical thinking. The whole of psychology is little more than sorcery.

[Anonymous No.13803139]

>>13803002
No. I hate You. Just like your mom.

[Anonymous No.13803147]

>>13803005
>her

lmao

[Anonymous No.13803155]

>>13803110
>I can’t even imagine someone wanting to hear what I have to say and accepting me and the catharsis therein

Never experienced even a day of unpathological love...it’s been a tough road so far for you m8, and by the tilt of your canter, it’s not lightning up anytime soon ya pour thundercloud

[Anonymous No.13803163]

>>13803136
Such great irony in basket cases seeing psychological science as a personal attack on them...if only there were some body of research that could predict and explain that aberrant behavior...

[Anonymous No.13803166]

>>13803139
>said while facing a mirror

[Anonymous No.13803171]

>>13803129
>loaded language
Go back to tumblr

[Anonymous No.13803173]

Dunno. My mom was a raving, ranting, anxious alcoholic for her entire life until she started her meds, and now (the last ten years) she’s better than ever, has a job, and is happy to sit down and have coffee with me.

Depends on the person. Some people, quite literally, have a chemical imbalance.

[Anonymous No.13803182]

>>13803139
No said while facing (You)

[Anonymous No.13803183]

>>13803173
It’s almost like emotions are chemical reactions produced by brains that are built according to a blueprint that allows of variation from person to person. Oh well, too bad it’s 1952 and we have no possible explanation that fits the bill.

[Anonymous No.13803187]

>>13803163
Psichology isn't a science, period.
Delusional harry potter magical thinker, go wingardium leviosaing the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.13803191]

>>13803182
You...you do realize you just (you)’d your own post right? Could Freud himself have written that more on the nose? It would be banal if it weren’t so delicious

[Anonymous No.13803195]

>>13803187
>psichology isn’t a science
Can’t argue with you there

[Anonymous No.13803201]

>>13802943
The serotonin theory of depression is wrong.
Besides that, if you're depressed there is obviously something lacking in your life. Why not fix that thing instead of taking a pill to simply numb you?

No reason not to see a therapist though

[Anonymous No.13803204]

>>13803171
>Jews are trying to push pills and psychology
Yeah, nothing loaded at all about that sentence. You just meant "people of jewish descent are over represented in psychology." Sure.

[Anonymous No.13803208]

>>13803201
>>>13803183

[Anonymous No.13803213]

>>13803201
>Besides that, if you're depressed there is obviously something lacking in your life
Do you just assume this apriori? What if it's something wrong with them, not something outside them? Why is that inconceivable to you?

[Anonymous No.13803224]

>>13802966
>neuroticism levels
Kek

[Anonymous No.13803225]

>>13803213
I find it very highly unlikely.
The chemical imbalance myth was outed as being essentially marketing for the pharmaceutical industry.

[Anonymous No.13803237]

>>13803213
I'm not saying people can't benefit from pills.
Peterson has a take that I agree with. Use the pills to start living life, and then wean off of them.

I think a majority of people don't need the pills to begin with.

[Anonymous No.13803247]

>>13803183
It's almost like all drugs "designed" to tackle emotional problems don't do anything but smother that part of the brain to drown out its screams.

SSRI's don't magically rebalance your brain chemistry, they just numb all emotions across the board because they have no fucking idea how to target specific areas.

[Anonymous No.13803249]

>>13803225
Where was this outed? I have heard psychologists having differing takes but I haven't heard of any huge scandal revealing that it was all some massive conspiracy.

Anyway, even if the serotonin theory of depression is wrong, that doesn't prove that depression is caused only by external factors.

[Anonymous No.13803250]

>>13803204
>muh loaded language
You're a man right? Talk like one you moist vagina.

[Anonymous No.13803254]

>>13803250
Nice bait, retard. Hope you know that your kind are the reason that /lit/ is trash.

[Anonymous No.13803262]

>>13803254
It's not bait.

I'm serious. Whiny little faggots who cry about shit like "loaded language" and "intellectual dishonesty" need to grow a pair. It's pathetic, no one cares about your gay little whinging. Keep it to yourself if you insist on being a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.13803265]

>>13803249
I don't think it was completely intentional. I'd assume a large part of it is wanting an easy solution. Though, yes, doctors getting illegal kickbacks isn't out of the norm.

Your life obviously affects how you feel. Of course how you feel affects your life. You can argue about chicken and egg all day, bur adjusting how you live is a sure fire way to adjust how you feel. Period.

How we live literally causes genes to be turned on and off. I think genetics can make a person more prone do depression, but it does not cause or keep a person in depression.

[Anonymous No.13803267]

>>13803249
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/depression/debunking-two-chemical-imbalance-myths-again

[Anonymous No.13803275]

If you overpower and rape your therapist they cant tell the police because HIPAA

[Anonymous No.13803284]

>>13803079
why are jews more over represented in psychiatry then a field like surgery if it’s just muh high iq

[Anonymous No.13803291]

>>13803191
You're too dumb to understand my wicked sense of humor :3

[Anonymous No.13803418]

>>13803136
Go on

[Anonymous No.13803447]

>>13803275
Big if true

[Anonymous No.13803455]

>>13802746
>who dont read
What books are more effective than therapy for sorting mental issues?

[Anonymous No.13803462]

>>13803037
A lot of stuff that I'd rather not talk about some include touching my peepee, letting me sleep in her bed everyday till I was 12, feeding me hot chocolate milk from a bottle everyday till I was 12
>>13803049
>>13803147
Based
>>13803063
You cannot change the past but you can change how the past affects you

[Anonymous No.13803463]

>>13803455
Any philosophy.

[Anonymous No.13803502]

>>13803462
>You cannot change the past but you can change how the past affects you
You don't need to chug pills and talk to a jew every week for years for that

[Anonymous No.13803534]

>>13802974
cool

[Anonymous No.13803549]

>>13803265
>You can argue about chicken and egg all day
lol

[Anonymous No.13803568]

>>13802916
He had to become smart. It's called learning

[Anonymous No.13803587]

Psychiatrists should be treated with skepticism, since a lot of them really don't know how to help people, and some are a bit too trigger happy to prescribe medicine with major pitfalls.

[Anonymous No.13803949]

>>13803418
It's like this. Our culture and outlook upon the world is trasmitted mainly with stories during the formative years.
Now stories are an useful demagogic tool but there must come at a certain point the realization that life as we know It doesn't work as a story.
The most relevant example of What were talking about is: a story has Narrative arcs: new "things" are presented, developed and resolved.
Our life doesn't necessarily work like this: some "things" aren't properly presented, or developed, and most "things" never get resolved.
Modern society ("modern" relatively speaking I'm talking from the age of the printing press on) drows us in media: this slows down the realization of the non-narrative nature of life, often stopping it alltogether from developing.
So people live with a cognitive dissonance. They think that If they just show effort eventually they'll "resolve" the things that torment them as If They were a character arc.
This is in essence Magical Thinking: the presumption that to a change In your consciousness must correspond a change in your external circumstances and that to the associations You imagine in your mind must correspond associations in the physical world. The rooster calls when the dawn strikes is a normal observation of the rooster's behaviour. The idea that If I kill the rooster the Sun won't come up, tho, is magical thinking. By definition infantile.
When I use the term "sorcery" i mean the deliberate use of technologies (physical or "mental", a meditation technique which is proved to altre the pratiquioner's state of consciousness is an example of the second; But for instance autogenic training and word associations all can qualify) to deliberately apply the tendence towards magical thinking to obtain a result.
It's not a coincidence if both psychologists and occultists When interrogated about their results in their fields tend to stay vague and talk about "sensations" and "cathartic episodes" and "personal growth": both disciplines do jack shit Because They're based on the subconscious (the psychologists) or Conscious (the occultist) acceptance of magical thinking.
The hard truth is that your consciousness is a mistery, we don't know shit about what it is or even If It is anything more than an epigenetic phenomena of múltiple pavlovian conditionings, and This won't change untill We met fucking aliens at least Because a computer can't symulate and study something as big as itself without becoming that something and rendering the exercise moot (in This case it would be the psychologist's consciousness trying to contain yours to study it. impossible).
Hope this was understandable.

[Anonymous No.13803977]

>>13803949
So what about our drive for a purpose or meaning?

Does that originate from consciousness?

[Anonymous No.13804342]

>>13803977

That's a good question and I've been contending with it for a while. On one hand It seems It would be another narrativization; since stories have "meaning" but our actions, circumstances and psychodramas can't necessarily be said to. On the other hand It might derive simply from a sense of incompleteness innate in the consciousness which it uses narrativization to cope with unsuccesfully most of the time but pre-exists it. After all You don't stop trying to make sense of your life just because you've abandoned some of your Narrativizations (for instance: your father encourages You towards a certain difficult to obtain carreer. You are 19 and are having problems in college. Your dad calls you and promises that as you "mature" it will all be easy. Then one day you're 30, you have a good job but you don't feel "mature" at all and everything is hard and stressfull because you're doing a job you have no natural attitude to. You abandoned the narrativization of "Maturing" and having a "character arc" of sorts but the underlying dissatisfation remains).

[Anonymous No.13804377]

>>13802746
yeah i tried that stuff and it didnt work. That being said it really is chemicals in my head, society and my family didnt make me this way. Ive slowly forced my family to just talk to me about this stuff instead of them freaking out and saying 'go see a doctor' which has helped somewhat, but my brain is still fundamentally fucked and will never get better. It's also not just the brain bipolar affects your entire body, you get inflammations everywhere, heart diseases, joint and muscle problems, respiratory issues, headaches, etc.

Disorders like this and schizophrenia are absolutely genetic and physiological and theyve been around forever in every type of society.

[Anonymous No.13804405]

>>13802763
What if I take lithium?

[Anonymous No.13804420]

>>13804377
>That being said it really is chemicals in my head,
It might be or might not be. We don't know what consciousness is, We don't even know If it exists even If We experience it constantly. One hypotetical is that It arises from chemicals in the brain But there has never been a systematic theory of How and How to "cure" it and If it makes sense to try and cure it. We have an article on the subject on this very thread >>13803267
>Disorders like this and schizophrenia are absolutely genetic
Litteraly citation needed. All We have is reason to believe that there's a genetic component to some of these diseases We don't know the responsible genes, the nature of the problem etc etc ETC because again see previous point.
It has not to be "It's either chemicals or supernatural spirits". Thinking dualistically is in itself narrativization. Truth is complex.

[Anonymous No.13804431]

>>13803949
Based post, we're just narrativizing the void

[Anonymous No.13804442]

>>13804431
Even worse, We don't even know if it is void.

[Anonymous No.13804454]

>>13804420
>"It's either chemicals or supernatural spirits"
It could be either, it could be both, it could be other stuff. My experiences in life lead me to believe that it just doesn't have much to do with my environment.

Do you have some alternative theory about it works?

[Anonymous No.13804465]

>>13804454
I litteraly said "it has not to be 'It's either chemicals or supernatural spirits' " We litteraly agree on This.

[Anonymous No.13804484]

>>13803183
All you have is the assumption that emotions are chemicals and even that isn't consistent with empirical evidence. If depression is the result of a serotonin deficiency then we should be able to induce depression in a person blocking or bottoming out serotonin. Scientists have blocked serotonin production in peoples brains and they're still unable to induce depression. It's the same deal with any emotion or chemical you can think of.

[Anonymous No.13804488]

>>13804465
I know, i was agreeing with you, and then asking if you had a theory about how it works.

[Anonymous No.13804531]

>>13804488
I'm sorry I'm a bit tired.
My theory is basically that I can't have the means to formulate a theory without injecting magical thinking about it because my consciousness (assuming it Even exists) can't contain one of the same rough size without becoming it.
Basically my point is more about Psychology not being a fucking science than about wth do I do about sick people.
I can propose the Hypotesys (notice the use of the term) that each neurological maladaptive event is a complex and multifactorial affairs that may involve genetic predisposition, traumatic experiences, your momma playing with your dick when you were 6 and so on; But I dont have the first idea of How i would test This hypotesys without having, for instance, a computer capable of perfectly simulating a human brain and psycho-immuno-endocrine system; which is centuries to come and might Not even be enought.
All i know is that psychologists and psychiatrists should be treated like acupunturists; kooks with a better than averange success rate.

[Anonymous No.13804569]

>>13804531
No worries m8.
And well that I agree with, it barely qualifies as science, and Im fairly hardline about that, i don't even like stuff like geology because you can't run experiments on the earth's mantle or whatever.

My point was just that schizos and bipolar people, and a couple other disorders, something is clearly very wrong, and it can't just be washed away by thinking differently. All the cases we have of these people, the disorders never go away, and there seems to be almost no way to treat them.

[Anonymous No.13804584]

>>13802746
>>13802763
>>13802888
Psychiatry/ psychology is the secular version of a priest or spiritual mentor. Many psychological ailments can be solved by an adequate spiritual life, no meme.
>>13802940
Proof.

[Anonymous No.13804601]

>>13804569
>My point was just that schizos and bipolar people, and a couple other disorders, something is clearly very wrong, and it can't just be washed away by thinking differently.
There may Well be a spectrum of actual physical dysfunction of the central nervous system that goes to "practically normal" to "innately extremelly fucked up for various reasons" which almost assuredly would be part of the reason Why some people are extremelly fucked up; But We know people who are extremelly fucked up in the head and have no family precedent nor particular signs of genetic abnormality; and on the other hand perfectly normal people whose parents have litteraly been institutionalized múltiple times; so it can't be all there is.
>I dont even like geology Because you can't do experiments
Kino opinion.

[Anonymous No.13804604]

>bro all emotions are bunch of chemicals and hormones.
>we are like 60% water, my guy, we are bunch of random cells fixed together
>wait what do you mean you can work on your psychology and mental state to change your chemical balance in your brain? this wasn't in my biology book

[Anonymous No.13804605]

>>13804569
>and it can't just be washed away by thinking differently
Nobody has ever tried to remove them from their environment. Remove them from civilisation and then we can talk about "it's brain problems". It's not unreasonable to propose maybe some people just can't handle civlisation and their brain goes haywire. After all, it was 300,000 years of living in the forest and only 15,000 of living in settlements and only 6,000 or so of living in cities. We're pliable but we're not putty, people will break if you bend them too far. Maybe some people break if they're not out in the forest 24/7 as part of a tribe.

[Anonymous No.13804612]

>>13804584
It does seem to be so with larger proof of success than any "scientific psychological approach". Don't ask me Why. Theoretically religion should be the main example of narrativization; But it seems to "work better" than not narrativizing at all.

[Anonymous No.13804613]

I feel very sad, most of the time. A lot of it stems from things which I cannot control like my under average attractiveness and the way people precive me. The things which I should be able to control also feel uncontrollable. I get called "cute" a lot and it is bothering me very much. I am a 22 year old virgin and it seems that people like me, especially women but never in a sexual way. A romantic relationship is something I desire very much to experience. I also feel a very great disgust with myself, due to porn addiction that so contradicts the "cute" personality I have.

[Anonymous No.13804622]

>>13802746
If Ted had had the humility to undertake the self work of analysis, he may have found mathematical solutions to technological problems and made a superior contribution. He could have used the system against itself in a longer game. He spent too soon.

Yes, the psych industry is a corrupted behemoth just like academia and politics, but the wise use these institutions for their own ends. Successful psych treatment depends on the patient to do most of the work. The analyst and any (rare efficacious) medication provide temporary accountability and stability, assuming one finds a bearable setup. But /lit/ sets its own broken bones and performs its own brain surgeries, so of course bootstrap is the truth. It's so pleasant to find this bastion of sanity. Maybe Ted would have been saved from writing anything by it too.

[Anonymous No.13804635]

>>13804622
Ted isn't a robot, he may be a genius but he has consciousness and can't dedicate himself to things he hates.

[Anonymous No.13804642]

>>13804601
you're right, genetics and neuroscience are fledglings and there is more going on. Im not even sure what my point was anymore lol, I think a lot of it is just motivated from the despair i feel about nothing working to fix my mind, and Ive tried so much shit. and im far from the worst it gets, I feel so bad for serious schizophrenics it sometimes literally keeps me up at night imagining the stuff they go through, and they dont even understand what's happening.
>>13804605
I have thought about that a lot, and im sure it must account for a huge number of problems people have, we really were supposed to live in tribes in nature, that's how we were built. But those tribes, at least the accounts we have of them, also had people who displayed signs of these disorders, sometimes they'd become shamans or something, but theyd also sometimes get cast out of the tribe for acting too insane.

[Anonymous No.13804651]

>>13804622
>He could have used the system against itself in a longer game
Name one instance of this ever happening.

The system adapts to everything, even rebellion.

[Anonymous No.13804679]

>>13804613
How do I cope, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.13804684]

>>13804613
Do you work out or play any sports or anything? That might help with the 'cute' thing. Porn is probably also not good, but idk, people are all over the place on that one.

[Anonymous No.13804693]

>>13804642
>you're right, genetics and neuroscience are fledglings and there is more going on. Im not even sure what my point was anymore lol, I think a lot of it is just motivated from the despair i feel about nothing working to fix my mind, and Ive tried so much shit. and im far from the worst it gets, I feel so bad for serious schizophrenics it sometimes literally keeps me up at night imagining the stuff they go through, and they dont even understand what's happening.
I know what you mean.
I've been feeling a bit relieved from my problems Since when I've started writing and doing art. I know It's just a cope But It's all I have. Have You considered trying?

[Anonymous No.13804697]

>>13804684
I "work out". Pull ups, and plenty of upper body workouts 3 times a week with free weights. A lot of curls and skull crushers for vanity arms.

[Anonymous No.13804704]

>>13804612
For example, anxiety and depression are more aptly termed to be despair. Despair is a sin against the Holy Spirit, showing a lack of faith in God by losing hope for a better 'tomorrow'. I've seen many cases of depression and anxiety disappearing after becoming devoutly Christian.

[Anonymous No.13804708]

>>13802763
Lots of people who are depressed fail to realize it may be a result of their behaviors, but it can also be caused by a dysfunctional upbringing.
Hedonism and depression go hand in hand.

[Anonymous No.13804718]

>>13802746
bassically I agree.

But even Foster wallace fell on that trap.

[Anonymous No.13804722]

>>13804693
I write poetry and paint, though both in a very disordered manner. I'm not sure if it's good for me because it sometimes feeds into my mania, but I also could never stop doing either. Poetry especially is kind of the only way I can talk to myself if that makes sense. I have to edge around these issues that are vague and unclear in my mind in a metaphorical way until they start to come to light. My poems are all kind of retarded because they're not really meant to be poems but more like me figuring something out, but poetry is just the only way I know how to do that, because I can't think clearly in my head, and when I write normal prose like in a diary it just comes out erratic and messed up.

[Anonymous No.13804725]

>>13804613
>>13804679
Speaking from experience, porn addiction is hell to deal with because of how easy porn is to access. I’d recommend adding cardio to your workout routine (feels great afterwards regardless of addiction) and cold showers.

[Anonymous No.13804737]

>>13804697
Id recommend doing something for legs too, maybe squats and deads, or if youd prefer a different style hill sprints will kick your ass and build both muscle and make your cardio better.

But that's really besides the point if you're already working out. Idk if girls are calling you cute that usually means that they're somewhat attracted to you, are you sure you're not just imagining that they dont like you? Do you ever make a move on them or anything?

[Anonymous No.13804750]

>>13804679
>>13804613
>underaverage attractiveness.
>they call me cute

how you measure that underaverage? is something subjective . Maybe is just in your mind.

[Anonymous No.13804766]

>>13804722
>Poetry especially is kind of the only way I can talk to myself if that makes sense. I have to edge around these issues that are vague and unclear in my mind in a metaphorical way until they start to come to light.
Yes This makes perfect sense to me.
>>13804704
Do you Have a discord? I would talk more about this But This thread isn't the right place.

[Anonymous No.13804789]

>>13804750
I am 5'6 for Americans. 167cm maybe 166. I have a "babyface". Fairy weak chin. I try to make moves but nothing ever comes out of it. I guess I am simply a successful "orbiter". I know how to get female attention and friendship, but never more.

[Anonymous No.13804828]

>>13804766
id be interested in what both of you are saying about religion related to mental illness, this thread is a shitshow anyway so you wouldnt really be ruining it. The only time my mental illness ever felt 'fixed' was when I was in a deeply religious period.

[Anonymous No.13804832]

>>13804789
same situation, don't worry we're basically sexual hollow men, who will never be regarded as anything more than soft, inoffensive neuters. we weren't meant to be men. i feel like another species compared to some of the guys I talk to

[Anonymous No.13804835]

>>13804789
Height and chin obsession. you lurk fit for sure.

[Anonymous No.13804848]

>>13804405
If you want to become pee-brain with damaged kidneys be my guest.

[Anonymous No.13804891]

>>13804789
Al pacino is 1,68. And old as fuck.

Don't fall for /fit memes.

[Anonymous No.13804897]

>>13804891
he's also a movie star dude. Short guys can pull but this is not a convincing way of explaining that

[Anonymous No.13804931]

>>13804897
You are so fixed into this height idea. Overcome that. Is like when jews or islamists get near bacon.
In their mind is so fixed the idea that it is sinful, that they may even get sick.

[Anonymous No.13804958]

>>13803949
>Just accept your poor living condintions bro, life aint a tale, "growing" is a meme to make you buy more meds, just realize you dont know shit about anything and your ambitions are build on lies bro

[Anonymous No.13804969]

>>13804958
All of that is true

[Anonymous No.13804971]

>>13804958
he's absolutely right retard, he's not telling you to accept your shitty conditions, he's telling you to drop the narrativizations that do nothing but make those shitty conditions palatable for you because whoa man I'm the star of my own teen movie!!!

[Anonymous No.13805000]

>>13804971
>he's not telling you to accept your shitty conditions
Thank you, I was afraid that was not clear enought.

[Anonymous No.13805031]

>>13802763
Most people don't know any better, they're doing what they doctors have told them to do

[Anonymous No.13805041]

>>13804828
This too aligns with my experience. I don't know If my Faith was genuine or a coping mechanism of narrativization, What i know is that now that i feel that I've Lost it at least in part all that I can think about is getting it back.

[Anonymous No.13805048]

>>13805041
faith is precisely what can only be born after the death of narrativizations. why do you think Christ spent 40 days in the wilderness? what goes there to die but everything that you are?

[Anonymous No.13805058]

>had large KFC binge last night and I told myself it was the last binge ever
>woke up by alarm at 10.15 am because I had a fastfoodcuck job interview
>procrastinate the decision of going to the interview and then tell myself I want the job when it's too late to get there; now I'm back to being unsure (money or dignity? The debate continues)
>can't get back to sleep
>browse internet, drink coffee
>decide to skip the gym because it's past 2 pm
>go out in to the blazing hot sunshine; walk around a famous park; walk through a famous hipster area as Rogan and Burr talk about how some magical youth moments can only be recognised in retrospect and how the youth just need to enjoy themselves
>walk through a busy station filled with purposeful wagecucks; went back to flat
>went for my usual walk, now having coffee, unsure what I'll eat tonight; will watch qt with pol

I'll describe my internet time wasting in more detail. It is ultimate "I'm procrastinating the start of my real life core".

>check my emails
>BBC news
>4chan pol and tv (the best memes)
>Reddit UK politics (to bask in butthurt)
>other 4chan boards
>listen to music on YouTube while browsing internet; sometime watch random stuff that I remember, like tennis highlight videos
>a bit of alt right Twitter (normally save this for evening)

It's the same mindless loop of 24/7 news, YouTube, 4chan and Reddit. Today specifically I saw that "Ramona flowers ruined" video that I didn't bother clicking on when it was posted on /tv/ all the time. On the one hand lol. On the other hand, it's normie zoomers with happy lives and gfs / bfs insulting each other, so really I am the true pathetic one.

I opened a free wordpress blog but I got bored after 2 minutes of messing about with the interface. I simply can't bear to put effort in to anything. I feel so pathetic in not having expertise in anything. Although a blog would get me doxxed somehow. And when you read about the people who start these internet companies, like the one that made wordpress, it's like they're hyper motivated dilletantes. I look at all websites and the thought of building anything fills me with dread. It all feels like work.

9-5 slavery is coming yet I walked outside at 2 pm on a sunny day and can't feel happiness now.

I finished a book but reading more just feels like work. I might read some classics but it feels like more work, stuff I have to do.

Whenever I see a late 20s / early 30s officeStacey, all I can think now is that if she shared an office with me then she'd think I'm a disgusting loser and she'd complain in my peer assessment me for not being social enough. The past few years of not being in full time education but not quite starting my career have made me forget just how disgusted women are with ugly autist betas.

[Anonymous No.13805059]

>>13803949
>the subconscious (the psychologists) or Conscious
Pomostmodernist scum get out. The brain is not multilayered and does not have differentiating stratums of thought. All you have are memories and recent impressions. Kys

[Anonymous No.13805063]

What's the difference between clinical depression and being depressed because life has been shit for decades?

[Anonymous No.13805069]

>>13805058
have you ever seen a doctor about this stuff londonfrog? Do you talk to your family about this or is it just on 4chan

[Anonymous No.13805103]

>>13802746
My therapist told me to look into the "hormone levels" to see if there is something wrong, because I describd to her the lack of vitality I feel sometimes, not having hat it takes to live how I want.
I despise the idea of taking meds, it's like I'm just pretending to be socially fucked and I can act normal and manly anytime I want.
How true is the "Pretend till you make it"? Have I pretended to be a failure for so long that I have become one? Can I pretend to be a social guy?
Shit is fucked and this thred is full of cretins with boomer-tier opinions when it comes to mental illness

[Anonymous No.13805109]

>>13805069

Only 4chan.

[Anonymous No.13805110]

>>13805048
Why Christianity though?

[Anonymous No.13805113]

>>13805110
I don't care about Christianity, I care about Christ. there is a man who touched the void that these teen movie narrativizations are strictly in the business of getting you to forget.

[Anonymous No.13805118]

>>13804971
>he's not telling you to accept your shitty conditions
He's telling everyone that whatever state they found themselfs in, that "change" is a meme, that the way their objectives are constructed is wrong and that they should stop romanticizing change, so yes he's saying that, even if he does not want to.
>>13805000
>Society makes you think you can better one self due your interactions with others and that's bullshit
>But im not telling you to wallow in your sorrow tho
Sorry but those 2 dont mix

[Anonymous No.13805123]

>>13805118
i can tell you've never experienced an authentic drop of despair in your life

[Anonymous No.13805124]

>>13805059
Ok, would you prefer covert or overt?
The point is that psychologists wouldn't admit believing in magical thinking while occultists would. The term subconscious is loaded tho.

[Anonymous No.13805125]

>>13805058
We should meet up London and compare lives.

[Anonymous No.13805129]

>>13805113
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.13805135]

>>13802916
If he was so smart how wasn't he able to rationalize that nobody had a reason or the means to poison his food and died of starvation?

[Anonymous No.13805138]

>>13805118
Look man, i don't want to be rude But I'm not interested in You putting words into my mouth. I Think I qualified each of my statements enought that anyone that was interested in understanding What I meant allready did.
I'm just not in the mood for This right now. I apologize.

[Anonymous No.13805142]

>>13805109
have you ever thought of talking about it with your parents, if you have them?

[Anonymous No.13805147]

>>13803079
>high iq
no you fucking idiot. it's privilege and accessibility.

[Anonymous No.13805179]

>>13805147
Please lets not have This fuvking shitstorm again. We have it every day.

[Anonymous No.13805180]

>>13802746
Ok, I see a lot of cynical people here when it comes to helping those with depression. Have you had any experience of the sort yourselves? Do you know what you are talking about?
I'm willing to hear your ideas out
Hard mode: I don't have the time to destroy the Tech Empire

[Anonymous No.13805192]

>>13805129
Visit your local Catholic diocese and talk to a priest anon. Your life will change.

[Anonymous No.13805196]

>>13805180
Oh, also FUCK the chistian LARPers here, miss me with your bullshit

[Anonymous No.13805208]

>>13805124
Overt and covert is much better and more precise. Ordinary language is full of obfuscations and disorientations that generally lead people into false belief systems like ego, super ego, id, and so on and so on.
>The point is that psychologists wouldn't admit believing in magical thinking while occultists would
For the most part, psychologists are right in this domain. Magical thinking is just the understanding of behaviorism and the effects verbal and written language and symbols have upon an impressionable human mind. Occultists would have you believe magic is a real, separate, tangible super-entity, when in all reality it’s just basic behavioral manipulation.

[Anonymous No.13805237]

>>13805208
>just basic behavioral manipulation
teach me

[Anonymous No.13805245]

>>13805208
>Occultists would have you believe magic is a real, separate, tangible super-entity, when in all reality it’s just basic behavioral manipulation.
Would they? Those that i knew seemed to know that at It's base What they were doing was basically suggestion. They just expected it to work anyway.
Also You're missing the point: I'm not saying that you can't manipulare a consciousness with "hypnosis" of You will, I'm saying that it will result in no real effect on the patient's overall situation.