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13771052 No.13771052 [Reply] [Original]

Was he full of shit?

>> No.13771061

>>13771052
I don't agree with everything he says but he makes some interesting points.

>> No.13771064

yeah, if he wasn't, he wouldn't have wrote anything in the first place

>> No.13771593

He did have terrible stomach problems

>> No.13772127

>>13771052
dunno, did he get constipated very often?

>> No.13772743

>>13771052
Will to power is the only plausible compulsion in nature if the theory of evolution is the case. I want you to find an alternative compulsion that successfully explains why anything evolved from mere molecules at all.

>> No.13772775

>>13772743
you definitely don't understand evolution and you likely don't understand Nietzsche either

>> No.13772791

>>13772775
I understand both. It's funny to me that you say that, considering Nietzsche more or less started developing will to power as a concept in response to the will to survival concept that Darwin's readers were espousing at the time.

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>>13771593

>> No.13772805

>>13772791
he developed the idea of will to power as a response to schopenhauer's will to live

>> No.13772807

>>13772791
Can you please read a single sentence of the Zarathustra?

>> No.13772811

Are there really brainlets in here comparing evolution to will to power

>> No.13772814

>>13771593
N O I C E *pop*

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>>13771052
I don't know but he was sure btfo by Guenon, like all modern 'philosophers'

>> No.13772824

>>13772820
Did Guénon ever explicitly comment on Nietzsche?

>> No.13772830

>he thinks the will to power amounts to the law of the jungle

>> No.13772835

>>13772820
>not realizing Guenon is a glownigger psyop to keep you away from true revolutionaries like Nietzsche
Laughingwhores.jpg

>> No.13772852

>>13772805
>>13772807
He started to seriously formulate the concept in response to what Darwin's readers were saying.

>Once again, the origin of the scholars.—To wish to preserve oneself is a sign of distress, of a limitation of the truly basic life-instinct, which aims at the expansion of power and in doing so often enough risks and sacrifices self-preservation. It is symptomatic that certain philosophers, such as the consumptive Spinoza, took and indeed had to take just the so-called self-preservation instinct to be decisive:—they were simply people in distress. That today's natural sciences have become so entangled with the Spinozistic dogma (most recently and crudely in Darwinism with its incredibly one-sided doctrine of 'the struggle for existence'—) is probably due to the descent of most natural scientists: in this regard they belong to 'the people', their ancestors were poor and lowly folks who knew all too intimately the difficulty of scraping by. English Darwinism exudes something like the stuffy air of English overpopulation, like the small people's smell of indigence and overcrowding. As a natural scientist, however, one should get out of one's human corner; and in nature, it is not distress which rules, but rather abundance, squandering—even to the point of absurdity. The struggle for survival is only an exception, a temporary restriction of the will to life; the great and small struggle revolves everywhere around preponderance, around growth and expansion, around power and in accordance with the will to power, which is simply the will to life.

The Gay Science, §349

Also...

>I call an animal, a species, an individual corrupt, when it loses its instincts, when it chooses, when it prefers, what is injurious to it. A history of the 'higher feelings,' the 'ideals of humanity'—and it is possible that I'll have to write it—would almost explain why man is so degenerate. Life itself appears to me as an instinct for growth, for survival, for the accumulation of forces, for power: whenever the will to power fails there is disaster. My contention is that all the highest values of humanity have been emptied of this will—that the values of decadence, of nihilism, now prevail under the holiest names.

The Antichrist, §6

>This world is the will to power—and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power—and nothing besides!

The Will to Power, §1067

Again, find me an alternative compulsion in nature that successfully explains why anything evolved from mere molecules. Will to power was Nietzsche's explanation.

>> No.13773125

>>13772830
>implying it doesn't
Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. It's finite even in an infinitely expanding universe. Nature is a struggle for resources.

>> No.13773663

>>13772852
Good job my friend.

>> No.13773703

>>13772852
Great, you can find lengthy quotes and give them verbatim, how about learning how to think now? Start by recognizing the two meanings of the word "compulsion" that you have conflated. Nietzsche sure as fuck didn't conflate them, it's the only original idea you've presented and you concocted it by giving Nietzsche a lazy, preconceived read.

>> No.13773735

>>13773703
If molecules themselves are nothing but will to power, how is it not a compulsion as far as we're concerned?

>> No.13773801

>>13773703
"Great, you can find lengthy quotes and give them verbatim", they were clearly providing evidence to support their initial point that Nietzsche's will to power is a response to 'the struggle for existence' which was and still is the prevailing interpretation of the purpose of evolution.

>> No.13773896

>>13773703
not that anon, but compulsion might be the simpler way to put it

the spanish translations I've read of Nietzsche speak of a "fullness", of a plentiful God/Will overflowing with itself (TBoT) and of "forces of transgression" which burst into existence and are themselves the motors of becoming, instead of some conceived goal or end (GoM).

>> No.13774749
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13774749

he was as much as a prophet as he was a philosopher.

>> No.13774757

>>13773125
If energy can't be destroyed it can't be finite you mongrel

>> No.13774763

>>13771052
Pretty much. All obscurantists are. He was pretty passionate about the things he wrote though, which is nice. Not a lot of philosophers are passionate about what they're doing.

>> No.13775306

>>13774757
It being a constant, unchanging amount makes it finite.

>> No.13775703

>>13771061
/thread

>> No.13775720

>>13774757
Please be more critical in your thinking.

>> No.13775775

>>13771052
>Diseased and most likely suffering from chronic depression and isolationism
>Still made good arguments

>> No.13775931

>>13774763
Nietzsche isn't obscure, he just thinks differently from Christian society. Christian mystics and scholars all appear full of shit to me too.

>> No.13776128

>>13771052
You have to know Germans and their behaviour to understand some of his criticisms.
They are very equalitarian. If you are extremely talented social pressure is more about keeping you humble than allowing you to be a star.

>> No.13777204

Yes, read "on the prejudices of philosophers", they all were full of shit, this must be accepted and moved past to properly engage philosophy