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non-dualists/monists rise up!

>> No.13761348
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>> No.13761349

>>13761332
Rise up from what to what?

>> No.13761360

>>13761349
from samsara to the all-pervading light that dawns in the innermost recess of the heart

>> No.13761371

>>13761360
Tell me more of this all-pervading light ypu speak of

>> No.13761389

who are those on top middle, top right and bottom left

>> No.13761393
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>>13761371
There is no shortcut, you will never be able to understand or experience it just from having someone try to describe it online, the only way is to read through a bunch of the writings of one of the main thinkers that showed the way

>> No.13761396

>>13761348
yes

the proletariat expresses its unity with nature through labor, the bourgeoisie deceives it into assuming an ontological separation

>> No.13761403

>>13761393
And this way, did it lead back here? To 4chan?

>> No.13761419

>>13761403
I'm a Bodhisattva, I'm here to rescue you and show you the path out of samsara over 4chan

>> No.13761425

>>13761419
What makes you think I want to be free of suffering? What makes you believe that the means you prescribe of becoming free from suffering isn’t illusory? Explain this to me using simple language.

>> No.13761435

>>13761389
Abhinavagupta, Dolpopa and Guru Nanak

>> No.13761436

>>13761332
major lack of nagarjuna

>> No.13761440

>>13761332
Who are they

>> No.13761439

>>13761425
My time here is up, I can only psychically transmit my presence across untold aeons to post at this exact moment for so long, I only came to show you the way, good luck.

>> No.13761457

>>13761440
Meister Eckhart, Abhinavagupta, Dolpopa, Hermes Trismegistus, Adi Shankara, Parmenides, Guru Nanak, Jnanadeva and Ibn Arabi

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yo what up. Ohh.. it looks like only a bunch of foo foo lame cavemen showed up to the party with some woo woo aphorisms

>> No.13761561

>>13761436
if he had included him Buddhists would have probably complained

>> No.13761564

>>13761465
fu fu

>> No.13761570

>>13761561
fair, he is non-dualist but not monist

>> No.13761691

>>13761371
Not OP. We all bask in the dark all-consuming light--it forgives all, but forgets none. This is just a manner of speaking, no words can say.

>>13761403
4chan is enlightening, as it lets us purge our demons, practice many perspectives, and test our eye for sophism.

>>13761425
You will find your own way, out of your own suffering. Or you will wallow in it for eternity. So be it

>> No.13761701

>>13761360
Aren't they the same thing if non-dualism is to be believed?

>> No.13761761

>>13761701
(Not OP)

Yes. Everything is liberation, appearing as limitation. Say limitation appears to every limited point of view: then liberation appears to no one at all.

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>>13761701
Thats epistemic not ontological non-dualism, in ontological non-dualism, the truth is not non-different from samsara but is the underlying causing and sustaining the perception of the former, into which the former is sublated during realization. This ultimate reality includes additional content that is not normally perceived in apparent reality.

>> No.13761828

>>13761766
So it is more about contingency?
They acknowledge difference but consider any given object of difference to be contingent on a single primordial principle or foundation, rather than all objects of difference being in ontological superposition?

Is this right or am I still missing it?

>> No.13761909

>>13761766

Could you describe the difference between epistemic and ontological non-dualism to me or point me towards an author or book to further elucidate me on the subject?

>> No.13761947

>>13761909
https://archive.org/details/TheAdvaitaTraditionInIndianPhilosophyChandradharSharma_201709

>> No.13761960

>>13761465
cringe

>> No.13761981

>>13761947
Om shanti shanti shanti

>> No.13762027

>>13761828
contingency within multiplicity, possibilities and its compossibles

>> No.13762043

>>13761332
spirituality and nonduality are coping mechanisms for this dirty dirty realm. its time to get out! get up get out into something new

>> No.13762054

>>13761570
Madhyamaka espouses experiential dualism wrt philosophy of mind

>> No.13762278

>>13761396
>Believing there is a clean line between proletariat and Bourgeoisie

>> No.13762282

>>13761360
>>13761371
Is this all-pervading light similar to the quaker concept of the inner light?

>> No.13762289

>>13761332
Babby's first spirituality. Why are you such basic bitches?

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>>13762289
>Babby's first spirituality. Why are you such basic bitches?

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>>13762310

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>>13762322

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Why not both?

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>>13762323

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>>13761332
best thread on /lit/ where to start with guru nanak, dolpopa, hermes trismegistus ,meister eckhart, abhinavagupta,?

>> No.13762382

>>13762310
hes not wrong though.

>> No.13762462

>>13761570
Non-essentialism

>> No.13762517

>>13761332
You can't escape dualism to some extent, but you also can't escape monism either. They're complementary, the history of philosophy is complementary, only fools cannot see such and are still caught on names.

>> No.13762522

>>13762381
Guru Nanak - Guru Granth Sahib
Abinavagupta - Paramarthasara or his Bhagavad-Gita commentary
Dolpopa - The Mountain Doctrine
Hermes - Emerald Tablet
Meister Eckhart - The Complete Mystical Works

>> No.13762537

>>13761396
>thinks there is a difference

>>13761348
>retard Hegelian
>monist

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Take the everythingpill

>> No.13762544

>>13762522
thank you

>> No.13762548

>>13761332
I can only name three of these people. Meister Eckhart, Hermes and Parmenides.

>> No.13762568

>>13762310
Countered with dated meme. Like clockwork

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fresh anti-monism meme

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>>13762622
also

>> No.13762680
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To proclaim monism is to deny God's infinite potency. Because he is what he is—we truly are, for the One is the principle of Individuality. The One & The Good, God—The Limited and the Limitless, Like and Unlike, Strife and Love, Motion and Rest—their mixture, LIFE-INTELLECT-POWER
The Absolute is Beyond Being and therefore cannot be said to all things, yet he is eternally Omnicentral to all in all.

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>> No.13762700

>>13762680

Monism=/=Pantheism

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>>13762700
No it's worse than Pantheism

>> No.13762748

lmao niggas think because there's day and night that there's duality to everything

it's just whether or not the part of the world you're on faces the sun, scrubs

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>>13761439
Fuck you. Life IS eternal suffering. Eternal suffering is eternal growth.

>> No.13763529

>>13763341
redpill me on the image

>> No.13763550

>>13762054
>>13761436
make the thread

>> No.13763555
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Achintya Bheda Abheda


we are inconceivably one and separate from the divine

>> No.13763620

Who are the highest test gurus

>> No.13763630

>>13763620
Joe Rogan

>> No.13763650

>>13763630
“Guru” entails sone level of intelligence. No, an online IQ test certificate does not confirm his as being intelligent.

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>>13763529
Better res. It's from the movie Avatar. The point is idealism. You cannot go out of your own experience by any means. For all we know, we could be just pieces of meat or we could be the One consciousness which is the All. We can't prove that mathematics isn't reasonable only to our brain (did we discover or invent it?) This might lead to solipsism, but either way - our material bodies/brain must survive. Check the reply of this post to see what purpose I'm referring to.

>> No.13763684

>>13763669
(1)
When a child is born its sense-organs are brought in contact with the outer world.

The waves of sound, heat, and light beat upon its feeble body, its sensitive nerve-fibres quiver, the muscles contract and relax in obedience: a gasp, a breath, and in this act a marvelous little engine, of inconceivable delicacy and complexity of construction, unlike any on earth, is hitched to the wheel-work of the Universe.

The little engine labors and grows, performs more and more involved operations, becomes sensitive to ever subtler influences and now there manifests itself in the fully developed being - Man - a desire mysterious, inscrutable and irresistible: to imitate nature, to create, to work himself the wonders he perceives.

Inspired in this task he searches, discovers and invents, designs and constructs, and enriches with monuments of beauty, grandeur and awe, the star of his birth.

He descends into the bowels of the globe to bring forth its hidden treasures and to unlock its immense imprisoned energies for its use.

He invades the dark depths of the ocean and the azure regions of the sky.

He peers into the innermost nooks and recesses of molecular structure and lays bare to his gaze worlds infinitely remote. He subdues and puts to his service the fierce, devastating spark of Prometheus, the titanic forces of the waterfall, the wind and the tide.

He tames the thundering bolt of Jove and annihilates time and space. He makes the great Sun itself his obedient toiling slave.

Such is the power and might that the heavens reverberate and the whole earth trembles by the mere sound of his voice.

What has the future in store for this strange being, born of a breath, of perishable tissue, yet immortal, with his powers fearful and divine? What magic will be wrought by him in the end? What is to be his greatest deed, his crowning achievement?

Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, of a tenuity beyond conception and filling all space - the Akasha or luminiferous ether - which is acted upon by the life-giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles, all things and phenomena.

The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance.

Can Man control this grandest, most awe-inspiring of all processes in nature? Can he harness her inexhaustible energies to perform all their functions at his bidding, more still - can he so refine his means of control as to put them in operation simply by the force of his will?

>> No.13763690

>>13763669
i don't get weather the image creator was presenting him as a genius or moron

>> No.13763698

>>13761348
>materialism is monism

How cheap.

>> No.13763718

>>13762680
This, part of why I'm interested in Orthodoxy is St. Gregory Palamas essentially disproved monism with the essence/energies distinction. This combined with Tilich's notion of God as the Ground of Being is much more satisfactory and stable than any other ontological theory.

>> No.13763721

>>13763684

If he could do this he would have powers almost unlimited and supernatural. At his command, with but a slight effort on his part, old worlds would disappear and new ones of his planning would spring into being.

He could fix, solidify and preserve the ethereal shapes of his imagining, the fleeting visions of his dreams. He could express all the creations of his mind, on any scale, in forms concrete and imperishable.

He could alter the size of this planet, control its seasons, guide it along any path he might choose through the depths of the Universe.

He could make planets collide and produce his suns and stars, his heat and light. He could originate and develop life in all its infinite forms.

To create and annihilate material substance, cause it to aggregate in forms according to his desire, would be the supreme manifestation of the power of Man’s mind, his most complete triumph over the physical world, his crowning achievement which would place him beside his Creator and fulfill his ultimate destiny.

-Nikola Tesla

>> No.13763725

>>13763690

It's a movie quote. What don't you get?

>> No.13763744

>>13763725
so basically it's a meathead's opinion

>> No.13763755

>>13763744
>Movie directors and people who influenced their art/ideas are meatheads.
You're a fucking neckbeard for sure.

>> No.13763760

>>13763755
who said anything about those people you fucking idiot

>> No.13763775

>>13763760
So I'm a meathead for showing a movie quote? Doesn't matter, this is anonymous anyways. What's the problem with the philosophy?

>> No.13763799

>>13763775
the character is the meathead he identifies neither with the scientists or the avatars
there is no philosophy he's just going "muh conquest" basically just a tool of the corporate master who sees material wealth and opportunity for profit in the planet

>> No.13763822

>>13763799
Oh ok, sorry - I wasn't aware you were referring to the character. You are doing the personal ownership commie thing, right? Do you own your body? The source of personal ownership is the natural tendency of men to compete with each other and form Mannerbunds, not something a low testosterone beta cuck would know.

>> No.13763913

>>13763822
just stop posting, meathead

>> No.13763922

>>13763913
I love you

>> No.13765296

>>13762680
cringe