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[Anonymous No.13757558]

Hey /lit/, im looking for works that expand on a topic that Nietzsche touches on, namely the fallacy that people are somehow more 'noble' or 'righteous' the more they have suffered and the more impotent they were, a concept that Nietzsche draws back from Christianity and has since secularized.

[Anonymous No.13757568]

>>13757558
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[Anonymous No.13757579]

TÖRÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ

[Anonymous No.13757606]

What are some books about becoming an elephant?

[Anonymous No.13757616]

Justine by Sade

[Anonymous No.13757643]

Nietzsche doesn't touch in this topic, he rubs his entire body up and down over it. Read On the Genealogy of Morality.

[Anonymous No.13757657]

>>13757643
Yeah i fucking know but i want to see people expand on it. It's really fucking annoying how people just discard that part of nietzsche afterwards, especially the Frenchies like Foucault, who just take his epistemology and genealogical method and then poop out the rest.
>>13757606
Animorphs

[Anonymous No.13757659]

>>13757606

[Anonymous No.13757690]

>>13757659
Thats actually a really sad book about a horrible disease

[Anonymous No.13757759]

I wish I was that elephant.

[Anonymous No.13757764]

>>13757690
oh wow man i m really sorry i just picked a random book with elephants :(

[Anonymous No.13757855]

>>13757643
Sure, but who of his successors continues this legacy? It's completely neglected.

[Anonymous No.13758175]

bump

[Anonymous No.13758202]

>>13757657
>It's really fucking annoying how people just discard that part of nietzsche afterwards
They don't, you just haven't got a good understanding of MPS yet. People who have suffered are able to increase human excellence, so he doesn't say/conclude that they are not more noble. In fact his moral theory is very strongly in support of suffering.

[Anonymous No.13758338]

>>13758202
But N quite often says he despises those who think they are noble because they have no power, and while he does believe that suffering makes one stronger, he doesnt say that it gives someone a more 'moral' character, and he would despise those who think that the suffering have more right to something than those who haven't.

[Anonymous No.13758423]

>>13758338
>The discipline of suffering, of great suffering — do you not know that only this discipline has created all enhancements of man so far? That tension of the soul in unhappiness which cultivates its strength, its shudders face to face with great ruin, its inventiveness and courage in enduring, persevering, interpreting, and exploiting suffering, and whatever has been granted to it of profundity, secret, mask, spirit, cunning, greatness — was it not granted to it through suffering, through the discipline of great suffering? (BGE 225; cf. BGE 270)
I would check out: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche-moral-political/
I believe you have a lot of holes in your knowledge on this area of Nietzsche, but I would suggest particularly focusing on the pro/con and intrinsic/extrinsic part of the critique of normative MPS. To heavily simplify, he's saying that normal morality like what a utilitarian or Kant might preach only elevates the individual but does not elevate the society or humanity, whereas the things it works to eradicate create the potential to elevate everyone because they become an impetus for change. When someone has suffered greatly their words and actions somehow become more profound, people often give the person more time and cache, there is some reason to listen and pay attention.

What I think you've picked up on is his criticism of Christianity for saying "hey you guys with no power, guess what? YOU WON!! YOU'RE GONNA INHERIT THE EARTH OR SOME SHIT BRO!!!!1", which is a slightly different argument if somewhat related.

[Anonymous No.13758661]

>>13757558
Why criticize that? Isnt it self-evident that the target of injustice has moral superiority?

[Anonymous No.13758768]

>>13757606
Ionesco

[Anonymous No.13759682]

>>13758768
huh?

[Anonymous No.13759778]

>>13758768
Do rhinos get even more girls?