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Can you recommended me some books where the theme is suicide? I don't really want to live anymore, "I do not accept this world."

>> No.1374548

I'm guessing it can't be written in the first person?

>> No.1374553

>>1374548
I have no preference, it can be anything.

>> No.1374556

The Virgin Suicides by Jeffrey Eugenides

>> No.1374583

inb4 bell jar

>> No.1374602

>>1374583
Has anyone here read any of Sylvia Plath's poetry?

>> No.1374611

Just read Night Falls Fast by Kay Redfield Jamison. Take out all the bullshit and get right to the gruesome details of suicide.

>> No.1374642

bad novelists tend to suicide all the loose ends away, (yes, tolstoy and hesse are bad at times as well). there is a play by Nikolay Erdman called "the Suicide" or "the Suicidal". this is a very good and funny play i would prescribe to all the suicidal lower middle class chantards who are into an heroism. i do warrant one katharsis.
>>1374583
it left me compfused. it's not a secret midwest usa is of christian proto-fascism, you don't need a 250 page monster to understand that. nor is it a secret that classy whores are still whores or that dickheads make the world go round. i'll never understand beatnik literature.
why did she even want to go? hitler style euthanasia for mental moron folks?

>> No.1374713

>>1374642
She wanted to die because she felt terrible with insomnia and had no one to relate to.

>> No.1374749

You can see his peepee.

>> No.1374756

>>1374749
That is a very astute observation.

>> No.1374872

Anything Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan

>> No.1374881

>>1374872
But I'm not a weeaboo

>> No.1374892

>>1374881
So, some Japanese literature is pretty good. Just like you don't have to be a russophile to enjoy Dostoevsky.

>> No.1374899

>>1374892
But I am a Russophile and I do like Dostoevsky

>> No.1374903

>>1374899
That's fine, but you don't have to be.

>> No.1374918

>>1374903
But I am

>> No.1374917

existentialist authors

the metamorphosis is a great starting off point

dont hate

>> No.1374979

>>1374918
I've always considered Crime and Punishment to be a tale of existential suicide.

>> No.1374984

>>1374979
Because Rodion gave himself up to Christianity?

>> No.1374987

>>1374984
Basically, he crumbles under the weight of existential dread, and turns himself over to the tyranny of the absolute.

>> No.1374989

I Have the Right to Destroy Myself - Young-Ha Kim

>> No.1374993

>>1374987
Yeah, I saw it as him not being able to deal with his so thought better morality. He couldn't cope with the pressure and felt it no use to try and live a hard life for nothing, so he gave up to religion and marriage.

>> No.1375003

>Yeah, I saw it as him not being able to deal with his so thought better morality
>being able to deal with his so thought better morality
>his so thought better morality
please clarify

>> No.1375014

>>1375003
He thought that he was superior to others and privileged to murder because it came with his power, but in the end he wasn't able to cope with his own theory.

>> No.1375022

>>1375014
oh that sounds interesting

>> No.1375041

>>1375014

Yeah, its essentially just Dostoevsky responding to Nietzsche's Uebermensch on grounds that rationality cannot conquer our moral beliefs, for better or for worse morality has an emotive grounding.

>> No.1375057

>>1375041
well, I wouldn't agree personally, yet I like the idea, specifically I can relate to entertaining such a bemoaning

>> No.1375076

>>1375057
Well, what could your wrong opinion possibly be?

>> No.1375092

>>1375076
Well it depends, if isn't a bother, could you go alittle further in depth into Dostoevsky's espoused philosophy?

>> No.1375103

>>1375092
fuck bitches, get money

>> No.1375111

>>1375103
well that seems to hold true for a multitude of modern practitioners, what the fuck, I'm sold! now which of his manuscripts shall I purchase?

>> No.1375120

>>1375111
The Devils is my personal favorite.

>> No.1375127

that picture /lit/erally made me laugh out loud. thanks op. please don't kill yourself

>> No.1375136

>>1375120
Sounds nice, I thank you, and i must ask; is he the one who wrote Crime and Punishment? my mother bought it for me a short time ago yet I've had so many great things to brood over lately i simply haven't had the volition to devote any particular interest to it

>> No.1375140

>>1375127
I never get why people discourage others from suicide, seriously why does is matter so much? Life is meaningless, whether I spend it in a gutter or leading a country, there is always someone who will take that place. It all ends the same.

>> No.1375146

>>1375136
Google mother fucker, do you speak it?

>> No.1375152

>>1375041

dostoevsky responding to nietzsche's ubermensch 20 years before nietzsche even wrote about it???

>> No.1375156

>>1375140
just from a selfish standpoint, i'd like you around if you can make me laugh with pics like that

>> No.1375158

>>1375152
That is why he said "essentially," I presume.

>> No.1375166

>>1375156
I will not live my life to fulfill your gluttonous desires.

>> No.1375170

>>1375146
Have i tipped you over?

you best divert your gaze toward
>>1375152
he seems to have found you out, oh my companion!

>> No.1375176

>>1375166
do you ever laugh anymore?

>> No.1375179

>>1375176
I laugh at your petty sense of self-worth and naive view of the world around you.

>> No.1375189

>>1375158
thank you, but >>1375152 has a point, I did phrase that very poorly. It clearly implied that it was response to Nietzsche specifically, and not just to the ideas that are associated with him.

The same ideas were floating around in the Zeitgeist. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky took different directions.

>> No.1375207

you can't read books in hell. i mean, i'm guessing. so, there's the rub. speaking of which, the divine comedy has a nice section on suicide.

>> No.1375213

>>1375179
What is it about a sense of self worth that you find more petty than killing yourself because you can handle the fact that nothing matters?

>> No.1375217

I highly recommend Hesse's Steppenwolf.

>> No.1375220

>>1375213
>>1375179
you should both acknowledge that to be petty is to be young, and to be young is to be loved!

>> No.1375222

>>1375213
sorry i mean "can't handle.."

>> No.1375224

>>1375213
Oh I can handle the fact that nothing matters, that is why I am interested in suicide. I know that since nothing matters, suicide doesn't matter, so fucking conundrum in the butt.

>> No.1375231

>>1375217
It is sitting on my bookshelf but I have yet to start reading it, how do you like it?

>> No.1375232

I fully support peoples rights to commit suicide at any point, it is the primitive freedom from which all others descend. If you cannot take responsibility for the world, then you can either live in bad faith or die, whichever you like. But I do subscribe to the theory that life and death are equal in intrinsic value, but life possesses more degrees of freedom than death. At any point in being alive, you could either go on living or die, at any point after dieing there's only being dead. So the life must possess some disadvantage greater than the opportunity cost, and since all things are empty and meaningless, it cannot. Therefore living is infinitesimally preferable to death.

>> No.1375233

>>1375224
Yeah, but why kill yourself? At least if you're alive you can keep being a douchebag and it won't matter. If you're dead, you're dead and it won't matter. One of these sounds more fun than the other.

>> No.1375243

>>1375231
Its weird, and trippy in parts, but it has some interesting things to say. to quote wikipedia (about the book within a book "Treatise on the Steppenwolf")

"It is a discourse of a man who believes himself to be of two natures: one high, the spiritual nature of man; while the other is low, animalistic; a "wolf of the steppes". This man is entangled in an irresolvable struggle, never content with either nature because he cannot see beyond this self-made concept. The pamphlet gives an explanation of the multifaceted and indefinable nature of every man's soul, which Harry is either unable or unwilling to recognize. It also discusses his suicidal intentions, describing him as one of the "suicides"; people who, deep down, knew they would take their own life one day.

>> No.1375246

>>1375232
Wise words, but there are still assumptions in that theory. The only way to find out the truth it to cross over. I will be a sailor of knowledge, existence will be my ocean!
"Why does man not see things? He is himself standing in the way: he conceals things."

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>> No.1375257

>>1375243
That sounds very interesting, I'll be sure to read it soon thanks.

>>1375233
Well if with death you just forget everything and cease to exist, then why would it matter to prolong memories soon to be forgotten? There is no reason to.

>> No.1375262

>>1375246
Well I wouldn't call them assumptions, they are beliefs that are based on less than certainty. I believe that its practically a logical impossibility for life to exist after death, and since death is an inevitability, it is irrelevant when we die if knowledge is our only concern.

>> No.1375282

so consider the options / outcomes. with suicide you can either a)be revealed the ultimate truth about afterlife or b)just be unconscious forever and cease to exist. If we choose to keep living for a while we get the same a or b, plus years more worth of 4chan and all the other cool shit life has to offer

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>>1375282
>mfw he cites 4chan as a reason to continue living