>tfw 2666 is only popular with Anglos because Oprah shilled it as having the stature of Harry Potter OHNONONONONONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH https://www.oprah.com/omagazine/2666-by-roberto-bolano-book-review

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Anonymous Sun Sep 1 21:59:33 2019 No.13743323 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw 2666 is only popular with Anglos because Oprah shilled it as having the stature of Harry Potter
OHNONONONONONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
https://www.oprah.com/omagazine/2666-by-roberto-bolano-book-review

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:14:10 2019 No.13743395 >>13743323 Bruh. I read about the book because it was mentioned in an interview with a folk musician. Not Oprah Magazine. Furthermore, if it weren't for Bolano, I probably would've quit reading fiction altogether.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:17:07 2019 No.13743410 >>13743323 it's only popular between spanish speakers because anagrama shilled it too. it's all a big meme that will be forgotten in 30 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:19:49 2019 No.13743422 >>13743395 Yeah, but Oprah made him big in the US. That folk musician knew about it because of Oprah. She literally had access to the translated manuscript.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:20:50 2019 No.13743428 >>13743410 Anagrama is a publisher, though. That's literally what they do: editing, selling and marketing books.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:20:51 2019 No.13743429 >>13743323 2666 is degenerate and oprah tier.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:21:42 2019 No.13743432 Oprah also shilled Tolstoy and Faulkner. Are they bad now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:22:45 2019 No.13743440 >>13743432 They were popular way before Oprah. Bolaño being popular in the US is a creation of Oprah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:22:48 2019 No.13743441 Also, what's with the 2666 hate recently? Did some pleb get filtered by it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:23:51 2019 No.13743444 >>13743440 And? Oprah promoted a good book, as she has done in the past.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:24:17 2019 No.13743445 >>13743441 Detectives is his superior book. 2666 is for the tourist Anglo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:25:57 2019 No.13743450 >>13743444 I think you fail to see the difference. Tolstoy and Faulkner were successful and established way before Oprah. They were already classics. 2666 in the US is a meme created by Oprah who compared it to Harry Potter.

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:30:36 2019 No.13743463

>>13743450
It's a difference without significance. The fact that Oprah promoted a book, was successful promoting it, or made silly comparisons doesn't mean that the book is bad (see Tolstoy and Faulkner) nor does it have any effect on the quality of the book itself (see common sense).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:33:44 2019 No.13743474 >>13743463 Did Tolstoy and Faulkner also receive Harry Potter comparisons? kek even McCarthy was already established before the Oprah shill. BolANO is a literal meme created by Oprah.

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:40:46 2019 No.13743503
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>>13743474
Oh my God. I just went to the link. You're on about a review that was posted on her website around the time the book came out, not written by her but by somebody named Vince, that nobody in America read? I thought you meant she was promoting 2666 on her show and stuff. Holy crap. Nobody read this review, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:47:28 2019 No.13743521 >>13743503 She shilled it in her official magazine as well, and likely in her show. You have to remember that in 2008 magazines were still important. Americans hearing how Oprah liked this book would be a HUGE kickstart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:49:56 2019 No.13743532 >>13743521 All right dude. I mean, who cares? Oprah helped boost a good book. Even if everybody in the English-speaking world heard about 2666 from Oprah it wouldn't make 2666 any worse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:51:19 2019 No.13743538 >>13743532 >Even if everybody in the English-speaking world heard about 2666 from Oprah it wouldn't make 2666 any worse. Right. Once a turd always a turd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:27:09 2019 No.13743690 >>13743323 Honestly had no idea Oprah said anything about Bobby B., I only found him through word of mouth when I mentioned to someone that I liked latin american fiction

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:50:09 2019 No.13743800 Based Oprah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:00:59 2019 No.13743834 OP seething that he'll nevah be as cool as Oprah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:04:06 2019 No.13743846 >>13743834 where did I say anything bad about Oprah?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:06:11 2019 No.13743858 >>13743846 its obvious from your conduct that you have an inferiority complex towards oprah shes probably taller than you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:09:22 2019 No.13743868 >>13743858 Oprah is my aunt, bro. She cooks me apple pies and sends me Christimas letters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:09:51 2019 No.13743871 >>13743428 You don't understand, Spain has been enslaved to Anagrama for centuries. Ever wonder why we are always welcoming refugees? They form the fleeting backbone of the ink miners of Galicia. Somebody save us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:12:08 2019 No.13743879 >>13743538 Did Balano fuck your mom or something? Lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:15:22 2019 No.13743895 >>13743879 I like his other work actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:21:14 2019 No.13743917 >>13743895 So you're just being retarded? Were you born this way or did you have to build up to it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:22:58 2019 No.13743925 >>13743917 I intensely dislike 2666 on the other hand.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:38:08 2019 No.13743961

>>13743925
Well you've clearly shown that your dislike is purely emotional and with no care for reason, and your already weak argument, that 2666 is bad because oprah made normalfag comparisons in promoting it, was obliterated since Oprah didn't even fucking touch it, some faggot called Vince wrote an article. Now you've resorted to "m-maybe it was on her show, m-magazines were important." nobody gave a fuck about this review. Did Chad fuck the girl you were orbiting by talking about 2666 or something? You're such a pathetic retard holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:40:19 2019 No.13743968 OP is a dumb fucking nigger this is like saying Jonathan Franzen is only known due to Oprah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:41:21 2019 No.13743970 >>13743961 these posts always make me lol. youre not wrong it's just funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:42:57 2019 No.13743975 >>13743961 Why is it always about chads and fucking and nonsense with all you faggots? Fucking cumbrains. I said I liked the man's other work but disliked this one intensely. Can't a man dislike anything without you cunts screeching? For fuck's sake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:44:04 2019 No.13743977 >>13743968 Franzen was known in the US before the Oprah endosement, though. Not even the same thing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:49:29 2019 No.13743998

>>13743450
"2666 in the US is a meme created by Oprah who compared it to Harry Potter."

You can't be established in US if you're from a Spanish-speaking country and don't write in English. In some ways, surely, it's a fairytale of cosmic proportions, 2666. But the Joke's on Oprah. One of the characters in the book is a fortune-teller who appears on TV.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:51:31 2019 No.13744009 >>13743998 I wish it was a fairy tale of cosmic proportions, then it'd probably be actually good.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:54:42 2019 No.13744021

>>13743323
Natasha Wimmer's English translation appeared in 2008. The Oprah article dates to 2008. It was just new fiction in translation. The sad irony that it sold for it's talking about a humanitarian crisis long after it had pretty much ended... I don't know. It was intended as five separate novels, but, you know, ended up being sold together.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:00:16 2019 No.13744039

>>13743422
I'm not sure. I read the interview in 2011 and got the novel in 2011. It had surely emerged onto other news sources and arts reviews after the English version was available for 2-3 years.

Like The Sopranos, the book has a large fan-base. Some people revel in the murder and violence, others like his satire of the literary world, others like the historical fiction aspect, others like Bolano the writer, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:01:06 2019 No.13744044 >>13743977 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING YOU FUCKING RETARD OPRAH DIDN'T BIRTH BOLAÑO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:07:39 2019 No.13744058 >>13744021 >It was intended as five separate novels not true

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:11:40 2019 No.13744077 >>13744009 >I wish it was a fairy tale of cosmic proportions, then it'd probably be actually good. Did you even read it? I've read it probably four or five times, and I always find something new that I didn't see the previous read-through.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:11:41 2019 No.13744078

>>13744044
He birthed him in the US thanks to the Harry Potter comparison, though. Ask yourself how many contemporary Latin American or Spanish authors have actually made it in the US. You can count them with one hand. Not even Javier Marías has really made it and he's undoubtedly superior.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:12:01 2019 No.13744081

>>13743395
>interview with a folk musician
Who?

>>13743521
>You have to remember that in 2008 were still important
And by 2008 Bolano had already been published in many US magazines, including The New Yorker and had 5 books translated and on the shelves, he was fairly well known by the lit folk already. I remember a fair amount of excitement around the English edition of The Savage Detectives when it came out the previous year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:12:48 2019 No.13744083 >>13744077 That pretty much happens with any long novel, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:12:48 2019 No.13744084 >>13744058 I would check on that. Pretty sure Bolano thought of it as five separate novels and the publisher decided to combine them to maximize profits. Not that crazy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:15:31 2019 No.13744093 >>13744078 Well, Bolano hasn't made it. He's dead, first of all. Second, he's considered barbaric or a joke. If he is taught in universities, that's a pretty niche area. It's definitely not on the same level as other American classics.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:18:25 2019 No.13744105

>>13744081
Who?
- I can't find it anywhere online anymore, but the musician is Ilyas Ahmed. He said it was about prophecy, etc., yada-yada, and I thought it sounded interesting.

As for the other interviews, I believe that. I wasn't aware of the author at all until after reading 2666. Then it appeared that ok, maybe he's had some stuff floating around. But I still don't see it as substantial. Even in the world-lit/Latin American lit in translation, it seems pretty "outsider." Maybe I'm wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:19:47 2019 No.13744108 >>13744083 I don't know, sure. But it's true what people say, that it's like a disease or fever. It's stupid but it's a "dangerous" book. Did you see that or no?

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:20:24 2019 No.13744112

>>13743323
>Holding a reviewer's copy of 2666 in public was like brandishing the newest Harry Potter at the playground three months before the on-sale date. Half a dozen eager strangers who'd heard about the book spoke to me while I was reading it.
Anon... She does not compare 2666 - the book - to Harry Potter - the book. She says that the experience of holding the REVIEWER'S copy (which is received in advance) was similar to that of holding Harry Potter at the playground because of the expectations around it. The sentence does not refer to any similarities of the books from a literary point of view, but only to the fact that both were greatly expected in the literary world.
How about you hit the library and read a bit? Maybe your reading comprehension will be enhanced if you touch a book, every once in a while.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:25:28 2019 No.13744124

>>13744108
I can understand what you mean but I think it's more the halo effect and the aura it has more than the actual content. He can write in a mysterious and atmospheric way but he never truly delivers. It's like blue balls but in a literary way. Remember that Calvino book where every chapter is a first chapter? It kind of gives me that vibe but differently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:27:51 2019 No.13744135 >>13744112 > but only to the fact that both were greatly expected in the literary world. so you're saying both had the same stature like I said in the OP? Maybe flick through the dictionary every once in a while...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:34:01 2019 No.13744151 >>13744135 >By Vince Passaro anyway the new yorker published gomez palacio in 2005. late to the party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:35:08 2019 No.13744153 >>13744151 >>13744135 meant to quote the op

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:35:41 2019 No.13744156 >>13744078 Thanks for giving me the mental image of opr*h giving birth to a fully clothed grown man

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:38:31 2019 No.13744165

>>13744124
Calvino...not sure I really liked what he did with "Invisible Cities," if that's what you're talking about. I disagree though, entirely. Bolano is loaded. It's intentionally provocative. Plus, I'd even argue "blue balls" is the point. It's satirizing the "celebration" of violence, sex, and death. It's a sad novel with plenty of weak points. But it has a lot of strength.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:38:33 2019 No.13744166
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>>13743395
>being so self conscious that your book recommendation might have transitively originated from Oprah that you have to insecurely explain that you got it from somewhere else before the normies knew about it

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:38:34 2019 No.13744167

>>13744078
>He birthed him in the US thanks to the Harry Potter comparison
All those 12 year olds running out to get 2666 made him a household name. Remember the mobs of adolescent girls shrieking away out all the book stores waiting for the midnight release?

Moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:43:51 2019 No.13744184 >>13743445 >implying the complex, difficult tome is for tourists >implying savage detectives is in any way better than by night in chile >implying anything could possibly top fascist literature in the americas pleb

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:49:06 2019 No.13744194

>>13744166
Just the facts. But who cares about that? Boredom, and interest in literature led me to 2666. But I never saw an Oprah review of the book. I bought it first at a since closed independent book store.

What about the novel or author do you dislike?

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:49:38 2019 No.13744196

>>13744165
I didn't mean to shit on Calvino, I quite like his work, and what he did on "If on a winter's night a traveler" was actually the point, but what I meant was more in spirit than in execution. 2666 is a blue balls novel, but pretty much every Bolaño novel is like this yet I like Detectives and Distant Star so I don't know, also it's not a maximalist novel like many people think, it's just long (being 5 books into 1), and it could've benefitted from a good editor.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:54:05 2019 No.13744208

>>13744184
>implying the complex, difficult tome is for tourists
it's not any of that lmao any idiot can read it and understand it
>implying savage detectives is in any way better than by night in chile
are you implying Nocturne of Chile is better than Distant Star?
>implying anything could possibly top fascist literature in the americas
you surely mean Nazi Literature in the Americas?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:54:35 2019 No.13744211 >>13743445 I probably need to read Detectives again. I remember liking it but it's pretty long. I think his short stories are where it's at. Like any one of his stories easily supplies enough material for a feature film.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:55:12 2019 No.13744214 >>13744167 Many people actually did and were disappointed, I read it in The Guardian or something.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 02:08:01 2019 No.13744242

>>13744196
Some of Calvino's stories from "Numbers in the Dark" are great. I'll have to read "if on a winter's night a traveler."

I don't think editing would have changed or helped the novel much. I didn't like part 1 or 5 very much, but 2, 3 and 4 are great. I think this is a sort of meta-criticism of beginnings and ends; the first part is banal yet show-off-y. The last part is macabre/comedy and kind of shoddy. 2, 3, and 4 are the "meat."

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 02:24:46 2019 No.13744277

>>13744242
>I didn't like part 1 or 5 very much, but 2, 3 and 4 are great.
That's funny because I liked 1, 4, and 5. My problems are with 2 and 3 which I find useless and filler-like (esp. 3 since I had to slog through it). I guess we just liked different things about it.
>Some of Calvino's stories from "Numbers in the Dark" are great.
Thanks for the rec.

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 02:34:37 2019 No.13744290

>>13744277
That's funny because I liked 1, 4, and 5. My problems are with 2 and 3 which I find useless and filler-like (esp. 3 since I had to slog through it). I guess we just liked different things about it.

Honestly I thought 2 was brilliant. 3 read quickly for me. It seemed like filler, but I went back to it frequently. 4 was basically mastery but really difficult for numerous reasons.

Any other fiction a reader of Bolano and Calvino could appreciate? Latin American, Italina, or other?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 09:18:00 2019 No.13745237 >>13744290 >Any other fiction a reader of Bolano and Calvino could appreciate? Latin American, Italina, or other? Enrique Vila-Matas and Georges Perec

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 10:16:35 2019 No.13745483 >>13744290 >My problems are with 2 and 3 which I find useless and filler-like (esp. 3 since I had to slog through it) My thoughts as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 10:21:32 2019 No.13745505 >>13744167 Hahahaha you have no idea what you're talking about hahahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 11:19:01 2019 No.13745778 I only remember the part where there's this vampire with a huge dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 11:20:49 2019 No.13745791 I'll just relegate this to being a noble lie to get people to read it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 11:21:05 2019 No.13745793 File: 65 KB, 575x651, 1538976411952.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13743444 >And? Oprah promoted a good book, as she has done in the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 12:43:21 2019 No.13746319 >>13745237 Nice. Read some of Perec but got distrated. Heard of Vila-Matas but haven't got to him yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 14:01:01 2019 No.13746819 oprah is unironically based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 14:54:41 2019 No.13747140 >>13743395 >2666 >fiction pick one

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 18:59:56 2019 No.13748348 >>13743432 Absolutely they are. They are retroactively bad.

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