/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13741872]

What ever happened to burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.13741896]

we finished it

[Anonymous No.13741902]

Burgerpunk is a good idea. Infinite Jest and White Noise definitely belong in the category, but the other books that wound up on the chart were a stretch. They should be replaced by more appropriate picks.

[Anonymous No.13741905]

>im a capitalist conservative

[Anonymous No.13741913]

>>13741872
The last man carrying the burgerpunk torch is hiding in a shack somewhere thinking interesting thoughts while waiting to die like salinger

[Anonymous No.13741994]

I'm partway through the first draft of a novel that could be considered "burgerpunk" but I don't think it's very good

[Anonymous No.13742052]

[Anonymous No.13742152]

>>13742052
Jesus...

[Anonymous No.13742163]

>>13742052
This is still pre-burgerpunk. Burgerpunk is when the public sees nothing wrong with this. Burgerpunk is willingly debasing yourself for the almighty burger.

[Anonymous No.13742166]

>>13742052
How do I murder the people responsible for this?
I don't even mean it in the half-assed sense of "haha I'm gonna kill you for this you asshole," I mean this image evokes a kind of deep-seated instinctual horror in me. I cannot even imagine the moral depravity necessary to make this, to present this, to listen to this in the audience and clap. They need to be killed, not even for our sake but for theirs too if their souls are so inconceivably twisted that something this dark can grow from them.
What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.13742185]

>>13741905
the LGBT thing was clever, I'll give them that.

[Anonymous No.13742211]

>>13742052
is this real??

[Anonymous No.13742217]

>>13742052
>turn brains in puss

[Anonymous No.13742222]

>>13742217
into
fuck!

[Anonymous No.13742373]

The brazen lack of commitment to burger content is not a good way to build our burgertopia, gentlemen. There are some odds and bits of burger in the google doc, but it's a mixed bag.

[Anonymous No.13742396]

>>13741905
>blight
What are books with subtle symbolism, so to say?

[Anonymous No.13742481]

Are they going to space?

[Anonymous No.13742484]

>>13742166
It made my stomach churn and ruined my day the first time I saw it. Probably Kaczynski?

[Anonymous No.13742724]

>>13742052
source?

[Anonymous No.13743077]

>>13742724
qualtrics

[Anonymous No.13743091]

>>13741872
I stopped directing the threads and some fags tried to turn it into a sophomoric critical theory meme.

[Anonymous No.13743099]

>>13741902
Burgerpunk isn't the critique, it's the source material

[Anonymous No.13743344]

>>13741872
>>13742052
I blame the French Revolution

[Anonymous No.13743392]

>>13742166
This

[Anonymous No.13743455]

>>13742166
wait that image is trying to be positive? I assumed it was a shot of a lecture about how consumerism is fucked up. It's actually promoting what it says there?

[Anonymous No.13743506]

>>13743455
It was some hypefest from a company that describes itself like... This.
I don't know how a human can possibly look at this shit and feel joy or excitement or even interest. Technocrats need to be ended.

[Anonymous No.13743527]

>>13743506
fuck em'

[Anonymous No.13743529]

>>13743506
I honestly dont feel like i belong to the same species as these people

[Anonymous No.13743599]

>>13743506
Marketing jargon has gone full simulacra

[Anonymous No.13743985]

>>13742166
Just go to silicon valley and isolate/dispose of founders/CEOs as the opportunity arises. They are all libertarian cunts that need to be dead

[Anonymous No.13744240]

>>13743529
We aren't desu.

[Anonymous No.13744249]

is this book burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.13744274]

>>13744249
Looks like it. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.13744304]

>>13744249
>>13743099

[Anonymous No.13744342]

[Anonymous No.13744346]

>>13743506
Is that where Taco works?

[Anonymous No.13744487]

Books on 9/11? The War on Terror?

[Anonymous No.13744510]

>>13743985
this

[Anonymous No.13744525]

>>13744342
Thanks anon the website actually seems legit.
Cya poorfags!

[Anonymous No.13744535]

>>13742052
>mfw people accept and indulge in this behavior
>mfw no one seems to see a problem
Send help.

[Anonymous No.13744538]

there was a big thread about burgerpunk on /tv/ yesterday

[Anonymous No.13744548]

>>13743985
>They are all libertarian cunts that need to be dead
No, most of them are fascists, even if they don't present themselves that way. They don't want less control of people, they want more. They want to own your soul. They want to own your children's souls. They want to own your cat's soul. They want you to eat the shit they feed you and beg for more. It's all about control.
I'm sure there are libertarians there as well, and libertarians certainly don't help, but the people are the top are tyrants.

[Anonymous No.13745002]

>>13741994
Post excerpt

[Anonymous No.13745023]

>>13742373
post link

[Anonymous No.13745045]

>>13745023
https://burgerpunk.github.io

[Anonymous No.13745070]

>>13742052
Behead those who insult Ronald and His Burger (saw)

[Anonymous No.13745099]

https://youtu.be/j2V8cvXqP0k

[Anonymous No.13745108]

>>13741872
it grows stronger with every passing day. Burgerpunk will only accelerate with the fall of the US as the strongest power un the next 30-50 years, since the unrooted, post-social nature of Burgerpunk goes beyond the very ethos of the country that birthed it.

[Anonymous No.13745115]

>>13743091
isn't critical theory invariably linked to observing and understanding Burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.13745134]

>>13744548
Zen Fascism. As Baudrillard said, California is the most American part of America, and since the whole western world is now essentially America, it is all California by extension: there's a reason its the world capital of entertainment, both for family blockbusters and pornography. The whole world in the iron grip of a metropolis without sidewalks and social spaces.

[Anonymous No.13745138]

>>13745099
is it just me or does his voice sound off? I don't watch new Simpsons so idk if they changed the voice actor. Also, that animation looks so plastic, I hate it

[Anonymous No.13745145]

>>13741872
it was a fun meme but boring in execution

[Anonymous No.13745153]

>>13741872

[Anonymous No.13745159]

>>13743344
I blame the joos

[Anonymous No.13745171]

>>13745108
how can Neil Postman be burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.13745173]

>>13744342
is this real? seems like a nice wage

[Anonymous No.13745176]

>>13741872
Burgerpunk is dead, like it is was born dead.
Burgerpunk is a commentary and manner of critique originating from the dissonance of the consumer upon realizing that the vast personalization of commodity production is itself contradictory to the act of mass producing said commodity.
The post-burger individual can be easiest explained as someone who bases his personality and by extension his entire self in consumerist products.
A smoker smokes a certain brand of cigarettes, mostly without a recognizable cause, because these cigarettes are "his" cigarettes.
It is an extension of himself, the design of the packet, whether maximalist or minimalist gives an indication to the beholder of the thoughts and interests of the individual, such is the same with almost all material objects.
The synthesis of material and spiritual, object and subject.
The idea and concept of burgerpunk is born out of a place of death, stagnation or stillbirth.
Culture is dead, chopped up into pieces of easily-digested meat, formed into a burgerpatty.
People are dead, The self and ideal is commercial, who you want to be.
Burgerpunk was born out of cultural "death"
Burgerpunk was born dead.

[Anonymous No.13745185]

>>13745115
superficially yes, in reality Critical Theory already swallows many of the Burgerpunk memes as axioms and only criticizes superficial, secondary phenomena to avoid confronting the core of it

[Anonymous No.13745192]

>>13745171
Burgerpunk, as another anon here said, isn't the art or the critique: its the source material and everything that describes it has a place in the burgerpunk canon. Postman works on media and the atomising effect that television has had on American social life, which I find rather salient.

[Anonymous No.13745198]

>>13745185
but what is the core? that question makes my skin crawl.

[Anonymous No.13745211]

>>13745198
Individualism but everyone is the same individual

[Anonymous No.13745234]

>>13745211
elaborate

[Anonymous No.13745248]

>>13745153
>capitalism benefits us but our consumers are all leftists, what shall we do?
>i know, make the worst and most disingenuous sounding tweet you can possible imagine

[Anonymous No.13745256]

>>13745198
Juicy, delicious meatloaf core of The Burger.

[Anonymous No.13745294]

>>13742166
Don't kill companies, kill the consumers

[Anonymous No.13745351]

>>13744249
Anyone care to explain why this is the case? When I was a freshman/sophomore in university, my professors kept shilling meditation and mindfulness, talking about how good it is for your heath etc. Call me a schizo but when everyone gets the same idea at once it usually means they are up to no good.

[Anonymous No.13745355]

>>13745198
the core of critical theory, as well as the core of capitalism, is that if you keep dismantling traditional institutions and loyalties, substituting them with individualism, and being dynamic about it, you'll get real freedom at some point on the other side
https://arktos.com/2019/08/27/freudo-marxian-deconstruction-part-1

[Anonymous No.13745387]

>>13745355
>>13745198
to expand a little bit on this, critical theory has good analysis about how capitalism co-opts traditional structures for its own ends and shows how this is done: but never confronts the direction of dismantling, it just alludes to a hypothetical alternative dismantling that would create much fairer structures that either capitalism or tradition

and i'm not even saying that it's impossible to create alternative structures to traditional ones, but those alternative structures would have to confront the same issues that traditional ones confronted, rather than just handwaving and grandstanding about freedom

[Anonymous No.13745431]

>>13745351
Individually, it’s good for you, but socially, it has become popular as a cope in a spiritually-barren world.

[Anonymous No.13745444]

>>13745431
So it's basically a loss-prevention control to dissuade employees from going postal at the office?

[Anonymous No.13745447]

>>13745431
i doubt the isolated techniques taught by western buddhists are any good on the long term even though it seems to have benefits on the short term, traditional teachings had long stretches of moral training before you started meditating

[Anonymous No.13745454]

>>13745387
>it just alludes to a hypothetical alternative dismantling that would create much fairer structures
allofleftisthistory.png

[Anonymous No.13745538]

>>13745192
I think Burgerpunk is basically a grounded version of cyberpunk. Even 1980s-era Dallas freeways were described as a "Blade Runner landscape", as described as by Joel Garreau. Colorful advertising only masks the real problems in society, a largely unhappy people that finds cheap joy in television programs as religion and spiritually fades into irrelevancy, and a society so open to immigration that it has created essential "no-go" zones where people largely don't speak the same language, and has eroded any sense of cultural identity. It shouldn't be CAPITALISM BAD or LOL AMERICANS.

[Anonymous No.13745584]

>>13745447
Any way to make up for this? I've been going to Quaker meetings so I'm trying to form some spiritual grounding

[Anonymous No.13745607]

>>13742166
When people start killing ad agents, then you know something big is happening

[Anonymous No.13745616]

>>13744525
You have to go to shabbat once a month to get paid

[Anonymous No.13745648]

>>13743985
At this point you won´t kill the baby by killing it´s mother. Only solution would be non-profit/open source replacement of the services those monopolies provide.

[Anonymous No.13745684]

>>13745584
Mitch?

[Anonymous No.13745703]

This ain't really something new. Marketers have always created images and ideas to sell instead of products.

[Anonymous No.13745731]

>>13745703
They were never this pervasive. Just a hundred years ago man trying to find God on the market would be seen as hillarious, but now it's the norm.

[Anonymous No.13745747]

>>13745138
Oh, thats just superstition

[Anonymous No.13745768]

>>13742166
>waaah marketing is evil

cringe

[Anonymous No.13745790]

>>13745768
>Adding garbage to our cognitive network (this is very overlooked aspect)
>Reshaping our values to value commodities over other things
>Promoting consumption for the sake of consumption
>Mutilation of public aesthetics
>Transforming culture into lure for advertisement
Marketing is evil.

[Anonymous No.13745792]

>>13742166
If you're planning actual terrorism, not on innocent bystanders but truly on the people responsible for this like you say, I applaud you.
But in any case, collapse is coming, and our sick society will be cleansed of its sins through chaos and destruction. Better buy up land in the middle of fucking nowhere and start prepping.

[Anonymous No.13745797]

>>13745768
>waaah killing people in a murderous rage is bad

yikes

[Anonymous No.13745802]

>>13745684
I'm probably on the other side of the planet to you brah

[Anonymous No.13745803]

>>13745355
>arktos

Can you stop it with this shit, not a good source.

[Anonymous No.13745810]

>>13743344
>>13745159
I blame those but primarily the Industrial Revolution

[Anonymous No.13745813]

>>13745803
arktos is not a source, it's a publishing house and a journal where different people publish different things, and i'm linking a good article though flawed in some ways like everything

[Anonymous No.13745821]

>>13744548
That's not fascism retard.

[Anonymous No.13745835]

>>13745790
Just don't watch ads, dude.

[Anonymous No.13745877]

>>13745351
It's just another form of commodification of the modern world, presenting the entirety of Eastern philosophies and religion as just another little seminary so you can relax a bit and add the tag Buddhist TM to your personality as if it's a skill point in a video game, deceiving you into thinking you're becoming whole by exploring your spirituality and not actually cargo culting a rich spiritual tradition from a culture that at least doesn't seem to have deconstructed itself into oblivion

[Anonymous No.13745893]

>>13745351
it's just a meme, I don't think there's anything nefarious about it

[Anonymous No.13745903]

>>13745835
That would mean ripping my eyes off and piercing my eardrums, so no thanks. I'd rather tear down billboards and pierce the marketeers.

[Anonymous No.13745933]

>>13745877
It goes deeper than that. Tradional philosophy (old western ones and the Eastern ones) tend to preach order and happiness, they are either about individually meditating and ceasing your own existance or being a jolly cog in the machine. They are the perfect normie spirituality.

[Anonymous No.13745949]

>>13745903

[Anonymous No.13745969]

>>13745538
you are right. Capitalism as a form of organizing the economic relations of a peopel is not the source of the evil.
the desteuctive moment comes in with the notions of materialism and nihilism that are woven into the minds and spirits of the young and old all around.

a world without meaning is a world where you are always on the run from your true destiny.

[Anonymous No.13745976]

>>13745835
>go outside
>ads literally everywhere, from the side of buses, signs in the street to being printed on peoples clothing

Guess I'll finish God's cowboy attempt on my eyes and just blind myself completely.

[Anonymous No.13745982]

>>13741872
I'm a leftist and I'm torn between visceral disgust at what I'm seeing ITT and schadenfreude at genuine fiscal+social conservatives who seethe at the destruction of muh family values or whatever at the hands of the very system they so adore.

[Anonymous No.13746004]

>>13745982
>Capitalism is fine because it destroy traditions
This post is the epitome of modern leftism. Don't forget to dilate!

[Anonymous No.13746008]

>>13745584
Unprogrammed meetings? I'm Quaker but if you're new, prepare yourself to meet the most woke limousine liberals. Try not to get too annoyed with them.

[Anonymous No.13746021]

>>13742166
>How do I murder the people responsible for this?
It's called extended suicide.

[Anonymous No.13746022]

>>13745982
I'm a rightist and want you to know that you will be executed the moment shit hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.13746066]

>>13742052
Reminds me of when a guy who does ad campaigns gave a lecture at my uni. I was simultaneously awed and scared at his skill as a public speaker and repulsed by the things he said, and how everybody was eating it up. His latest campaign consisted on comodizing the history and architecture of my city to sell shoes. There’s a ton of specific things about the lecture that disturbed me, but the most important one may be how the public embraced the atrocity. Don’t think for a second most look at these things with disgust; the common man will be under constant surveillance by products and services acquired by his own hands, have his culture perverted by brands, submit his life and soul to a market more indifferent than any despot and exist at the whim of people who barely see him a human, and do all that with a smile on his face.

[Anonymous No.13746098]

>>13746004
>This post is the epitome of modern leftism
Let me guess, you're an American, right? Anyway, there are three types of people when it comes to this sort of thing: First are the soulless neolibs who go centre-right if they hate brown people or go centre-left if they hate their dad - when it comes to Elites the more greedy and voracious ones go Right and the more cunning long-term thinkers go Left. Then there are right-wingers who really, really, hate brown people and fall for the disingenuous right-wing populist types who LARP as leftists until the time comes to name the culprit - AKA capitalism and those who uphold it. Then there are left-wing types who see the problem but typically give up at some point.

[Anonymous No.13746159]

>>13746098
I'm American but not an Ameriburger. I don't disagree with anything you say, but it doesn't contradict what I said. Most of the mainstream, left or right, is fucked.

[Anonymous No.13746217]

>>13746159
It does contradict what you said, because:
>Capitalism is fine because it destroy traditions
Is not the epitome of modern Leftism. It describes the first category I identified. From those ugly creatures at pride parades who are happy that they can call the police on their dad for calling them a faggot, to conniving psychopaths like the Koch brothers who care about nothing save the supremacy of them and their fellow vampires. That's who you're describing.

[Anonymous No.13746229]

>>13746217
Well, of course there's diversity in leftism, but most of them, the mainstream, are the ones you are describing and have been coopted by some Jew dangling a box of hormone blockers in front of their faces.

[Anonymous No.13746242]

>>13746217
>Is not the epitome of modern Leftism.
name 1 (one) different leftist that exists anywhere in the world

[Anonymous No.13746305]

>>13746229
The point was that the centre-right crowd are not leftists. The Koch crowd are on the right, but they don't even see you as human, much less care about your values or traditions.
>>13746242
The types who don't think that capitalism is fine. Literally any socialist who believes that we've reached a point where Capitalism is no longer useful.

[Anonymous No.13746336]

>>13746305
>The types who don't think that capitalism is fine. Literally any socialist who believes that we've reached a point where Capitalism is no longer useful.
but there's literally no leftist like that anywhere

[Anonymous No.13746337]

>>13746242
>name 1 (one) different leftist that exists anywhere in the world
Gennady Zyuganov

[Anonymous No.13746340]

>>13746305
Capitialism is useful for socialist ends though

[Anonymous No.13746343]

>>13746337
>Objectively, Russia's position remains complicated, not to say dismal. The population is dying out. Thanks to the "heroic efforts" of the Yeltsinites the country has lost 5 out of the 22 million square kilometers of its historical territory. Russia has lost half of its production capacity and has yet to reach the 1990 level of output. Our country is facing three mortal dangers: de-industrialization, de-population and mental debilitation. The ruling group has neither notable successes to boast of, nor a clear plan of action. All its activities are geared to a single goal: to stay in power at all costs. Until recently it has been able to keep in power due to the "windfall" high world prices for energy. Its social support rests on the notorious "vertical power structure" which is another way of saying intimidation and blackmail of the broad social strata and the handouts that power chips off the oil and gas pie and throws out to the population in crumbs, especially on the eve of elections.[15]
sounds based to be fair

[Anonymous No.13746346]

>>13746336
I believe that. There. You asked for one. You got one.
>>13746340
That's true, but only at certain points in time.

[Anonymous No.13746348]

>>13746340
Because they think it is filled with internal contradictions and will destroy itself any day now.

[Anonymous No.13746351]

>>13746337
>>13746343
>The party and Zyuganov supported a ban on the "promotion of non-traditional sexual relations to minors",[16][17] mostly named a ban on "homosexual propaganda to minors" in Western media.[18]
even more based

[Anonymous No.13746363]

>>13746336
*sniffs derisively*

[Anonymous No.13746372]

>>13746343
How has this man not unfortunately died of untraceable natural causes yet

[Anonymous No.13746389]

>>13745792
>collapse is coming
I would prefer it happen after my lifetime. I've decided to not have kids, and I don't care what people do so long as it doesn't cost me my life.

[Anonymous No.13746402]

>>13746372
Because all of the competent agents who remained in Russian secret service are at least partially sovietboos.
>>13746389
Personally I'm scared that I will be old and frail when it comes. I want to live through it in full strenght.

[Anonymous No.13746418]

>>13746402
A lot of innocent people will die due to the paranoia or greed of the masses. I would prefer it to happen after my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.13746434]

>>13741872

[Anonymous No.13746435]

>>13746363
Zizek is barely a leftist, he literally ran as a candidate for the liberal party in his country, he just likes to stir shit for fun as an academic

[Anonymous No.13746447]

>>13746389
>I've decided to not have kids
>decided

[Anonymous No.13746454]

>>13746447
I am already married, dumb faggot. Is it beyond your comprehension that someone can recognize these problems, among many others, and personally decide not to have children?

[Anonymous No.13746472]

>>13746454
>Not raising your child to lead the boogaloo himself and become a philosopher-king for the post-collapse generation
Disappointed in you

[Anonymous No.13746496]

>>13746454
>I am already married
there's something wrong with a woman that doesn't try to reproduce, talk with your priest about it

[Anonymous No.13746499]

>>13746472
Why does it matter if you cannot live through to see it? It's not like your mind will live on in through your progeny. We say consciousness embodies a "first-person perspective" for a reason. Regardless, I don't care what happens so long as both my family and self are safe, healthy, and happy.

[Anonymous No.13746502]

>>13746434
noice

[Anonymous No.13746510]

>>13746496
I was the one to convince her not to reproduce through the use of Schopenhauer's philosophy and more. I do not base my moral values solely around having children because I am not a bugman.

[Anonymous No.13746511]

>>13746499
>Why does it matter if you cannot live through to see it?
Peak soulless bugman.

[Anonymous No.13746514]

>>13746389
>>13746454
The narcissism of imagining that the time period you exist in is the worst one there has ever been; things have been far, far, far worse so many times and people continued to have children. People had children through plagues, wars, everything, and everyone always thought collapse was imminent at every period. You just don;t want kids because you're afraid, it seems like work, you're not sure if you can do it, there's other things you think you prioritize, etc.it has nothing to do with any of the stuff you said, that's just rationalization after the fact. Just do it.

[Anonymous No.13746516]

>>13746336
Look at any old-school Eastern European communist party.

[Anonymous No.13746522]

>>13746510
hope this is trolling but whatever, this is an issue that solves itself in 1 generation anyway

[Anonymous No.13746527]

>>13746511
I am not a bugman. I already explained how.
>>13746514
I don't want children for a number of reasons, and I am not in the mood for your perky and disingenuous speech on the level of Joel Osteen. You may find reading Joel Osteen fruitful, but I personally do not.

[Anonymous No.13746541]

>>13746522
Mankind will in all likelihood go extinct, but I just hope it doesn't happen during my lifetime. I am 100% sure mankind will go extinct within a century or two, but it doesn't personally bother me that much.

[Anonymous No.13746545]

>>13746527
>i'm not a bugman and that's a good thing - Here's why

[Anonymous No.13746548]

>>13746527
If you only care about your personal life you are a bugman.

[Anonymous No.13746549]

>>13746527
not an argument

[Anonymous No.13746556]

>>13746545
It seems more in the nature of bugmen to procreate without caring about the potential suffering of the offspring or the disastrous state of this world. To refrain from procreating seems more akin to an anti-bugman.

[Anonymous No.13746557]

>>13746541
>Mankind will in all likelihood go extinct
keep dreaming lol

[Anonymous No.13746566]

>>13746556
>without caring about the potential suffering of the offspring or the disastrous state of this world
all i hear is "waaah i'm afraid", people reproduced when they didn't know if some guy in a horse would appear tomorrow to shove it up their assholes and you are afraid because temperatures may raise 3º

[Anonymous No.13746573]

>>13746548
I do care about many things, even a few above my own life, but the "progress and continuance of the human species" is not one of them. It's not my concern.
>>13746549
There are many arguments for antinatalism and being childfree. For example, read Schopenhauer, Benatar, or so forth, and in fact, even starting with the Wikipedia article and moving from there can provide a decent entry point. Granted, I don't see the point of trying to convince you because I already know it's futile. Quite frankly, I don't care how you life your life so long as it doesn't directly affect me.

[Anonymous No.13746576]

>>13746556
No, it takes no courage to not have children. Look at reddit; every soulless consumerist media-chugging netflix guzzling fucking subhuman faggot on that website is all about "i'm never having kids because of the envirunmunt!11"

>disastrous state of the world

It's always been disastrous you fucking pussy, stop being a narcissist in thinking that the time you live in just happens to be the worst

[Anonymous No.13746584]

>>13746557
Most of mankind is lost in the dream of a naive and destructive neoliberal progressivism akin to the burgerpunk of this thread. I do not see it changing except via a disastrous and destructive revolution, which hopefully does not happen during my lifetime.
>>13746566
It's not out of fear that I have personally decided not to have children, but it's out of empathy.

[Anonymous No.13746587]

>>13745792
But the people responsible are the innocent bystanders. If they weren't so stupid, ignorant, vain, and easily manipulated, the current system wouldn't have been the way it is.

[Anonymous No.13746598]

>>13746584
look, i wouldn't try to convince you if i thought you came to this on your own, but nothing you are saying sound original, it sounds like you got memed by the establishment

[Anonymous No.13746602]

>>13746576
They will, in all likelihood, continue having children because they have not thought about it on a philosophically deep level; children tend to come from the heat of the moment rather than real philosophical inquiry. I recommended how you can go about learning the philosophical underpinnings of antinatalism more.
If mankind has always been as destructive as it has been now, it should have gone extinct long ago.

[Anonymous No.13746606]

>>13742052
I run a small construction service as a small time contractor. My annual revenue was consistently around $60k before I hired this marketing firm. They "branded" my company and started spreading targeted ads online with shit similar to this. A couple years later and my annual revenue is over $250k. I only pay them $1.5k/month which is a damn good ROI. I feel guilty as shit but the money is good and it helped me to buy a home with lots of land.

[Anonymous No.13746609]

>>13746598
Nothing you say is original either. We all have ancestors that fucked like crazy and thought it was for the better. You think your naive affirmative views are original too?

[Anonymous No.13746613]

>>13742166
Go back in time and murder Edward Bernays

[Anonymous No.13746626]

>>13746514
They did it because the man in the funny clothes told them they'd burn in hell if they didn't. We now know that the men in the funny clothing lie, cheat, and do unfunny things to children. They're not worth listening to.

[Anonymous No.13746627]

>>13746613
>Edward Bernays was born to a Jewish family
Every time.

[Anonymous No.13746632]

>>13746510
I'm sorry anon, but you aren't any kind of man.

>>13746573
>benatar

[Anonymous No.13746647]

>>13746632
Not even the greatest of European philosophers or far-right figures reduced being a man to base procreative impulses.

[Anonymous No.13746649]

>>13742166
California is a cursed land.

[Anonymous No.13746653]

>>13746602
Why don't you kys then, seriously?
>because people who know me will be sad and I care about things after I die (even though earlier I said I don't)
Why don't you kill those people too or organize a mass suicide?

[Anonymous No.13746676]

>>13746653
>Why don't you kys then, seriously?
Because I have many stuff I enjoy and care about in life beyond having children. I do not see why procreation has to be the fundamental focus of life. Who decides that?

[Anonymous No.13746686]

>>13746653

[Anonymous No.13746690]

>>13746676
so life is worth living but not for your kids?

[Anonymous No.13746694]

>>13746686
Omnicide does not necessarily follow antinatalism, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.13746706]

>>13746690
For many people, it is. I don't see the issue. I live for a few things I enjoy immensely.
>>13746694
>follow antinatalism
follow from antinatalism*

[Anonymous No.13746717]

>>13746686
>become such a radical antinatalist that I realize the solution is to go full Genghis Khan, have an army of thousands of my children, and kill all babies everywhere
>decades later, I lay on my deathbed, a mountain of tiny skulls at my feet
>my battle-hardened children gather round me as I labor for breath
>they all silently nod in assent, knowing what must be done
>they stab my aged chest hundreds of times
>I go to my death in peace, a tear coming to my eye with the knowledge that my progeny learned their final lesson and took revenge on the evil man who imprisoned their souls on the mortal plane

[Anonymous No.13746732]

>>13746694
yes, it doesn't follow because anti-natalism is just secret-pussy-ism

[Anonymous No.13746735]

>>13746717
Edgelord filth.

[Anonymous No.13746742]

>>13746732
You haven't even defended how having children is the be-all and end-all of life.
Are you by any chance an American? You lack all philosophical sophistication compared to the likes of the Germans.

[Anonymous No.13746747]

>>13746735
Pish-posh. Gobbledy-gook; dare I say, tommyrot.

[Anonymous No.13746762]

>>13746747
Sounds just as nonsensical as the workings of your mind.

[Anonymous No.13746766]

>>13746676
>I do not see why procreation has to be the fundamental focus of life.
It's a prerequisite for life, not a "focus".

Assuming that you can out-think life with "rational arguments" is kinda reddit/bugman, it's pretentious and ultimately boring.

From a personal perspective, having kids is potentially interesting and if your kids are redpilled they could do interesting things, change the world and so on.
If your kids would end up watching Netflix shows for "enjoyment" and avoiding suffering at all costs then yeah, better if you don't have kids Tbh.

[Anonymous No.13746774]

>>13746762
I challenge you to a duel.

[Anonymous No.13746787]

>>13746766
>It's a prerequisite for life, not a "focus".
Seems like something you pulled out of your ass, especially considering most evolutionary biologists and philosophers don't see any intentionality in evolution.
>Assuming that you can out-think life with "rational arguments" is kinda reddit/bugman, it's pretentious and ultimately boring.
Again, your defining life based on your arbitrary standards and not via any rigorous philosophical inquiry.
>From a personal perspective, having kids is potentially interesting and if your kids are redpilled they could do interesting things, change the world and so on.
Given mankind's record, it is impossible to change the world "for the better" long-term. Moreover, I don't care about your memelord, edgelord perspective of being "red-pilled". Maybe Lauren Southern's books are the most lit you could attempt.

[Anonymous No.13746798]

>>13746787
>your defining life
you're defining life*
Sorry for typo*

[Anonymous No.13746799]

>>13745982
>conservatives
>the very system they so adore

>leftie
>barely 80IQ
Fits

[Anonymous No.13746810]

>>13746774
I don't want to interact with people who can only think and babble nonsense, sorry.

[Anonymous No.13746816]

>>13746810
You have lost the duel.

[Anonymous No.13746824]

>>13746717
based life

[Anonymous No.13746838]

>>13746816
People who can only think nonsense are not in the position of determining what it means to win or lose.
>>13746824
It's not based whatsoever. Your mind is complete filth.

[Anonymous No.13746852]

>>13746838
Stop talking back. I won the duel, so I'm your dad now. I know antinatalists don't like such arrangements but those were the rules of the duel. You didn't even give me time to explain them before you lost. Go to your room.

[Anonymous No.13746887]

>>13746799
Are you saying that (modern) conservatives don't adore capitalism? The only ones who aren't fully on board are the populist types and those ones still favour capitalism in their actual policies.

[Anonymous No.13746890]

>>13746852
People who can only think nonsense are not in the position to claim they have uncovered any genuine rules. Such rules become as arbitrary and nonsensical as their shit minds. You won no such duel, and I find it humorous you randomly brought up becoming my dad, like you have some kind of deep-rooted psychological problem you have to manifest. I guarantee you my dad was far more honorable than yours. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you have some kind of daddy issue, which is quite prevalent among your ilk.

[Anonymous No.13746905]

>>13746890
The only daddy issue I have is that you won't listen to your new dad. Stop being a Freudian, son. We didn't raise you this way.

[Anonymous No.13746918]

>>13746905
You really enjoy babbling nonsense, huh? Does it make you feel alive to babble such trivial bullshit? Maybe it's you who has truly nothing to live for, which is why you waste both of our time with such crap?

[Anonymous No.13746939]

>>13746918
Would you like to go fishing? I can teach you to clean a fish. I love you so much and it pains me to see you like this.

[Anonymous No.13746954]

>>13746939
>see you like this
Just because I don't personally want to have children you think I am some kind of leftist or Redditor?
I do not want to be your friend. You are an idiot who can only think in shitty memes. You are part of the reason why Europe declined.

[Anonymous No.13746977]

>>13746954
I am not your friend. I am your dad. I don't know why your brain is so clogged with ideas about leftism and redditism, I never accused you of such things. I just want to spend some time with you. Why don't you help me make dinner tonight? If Freud's on your mind so much, we can make coq au vin together.

[Anonymous No.13746991]

>>13746977
Don't you have another Jordan Peterson conference to attend?

[Anonymous No.13747004]

>>13741872
Before I heard of this burgerpunk stuff I think I came up with a very similar idea called libpunk. Posted about it elsewhere.

It would involve mimicking cyberpunk tropes and how it portrays alienation and atomisation, but it fully incorporates the forced twee facade and garish infantalization of modern capitalism.

The best single concept I've come up with to describe it is some people can't afford cybernetic limbs at full price, so they let companies subsidize it. This means McDonalds get to act like they're doing a charitable act, but they also stipulated that yourbionic arm is covered in red, non threathening plates of coarse plastic, emblazoned with the McDonalds logo. So everywhere they go you remind people of the good McDonald's does for the community, while also generally increasing brand awareness.

The closest thing I've encountered to it is the movie Sorry to Bother You, and you also see strong elements of it in normal cyberpunk, but it would really be committed to a pervasive sense that this world of abysmal living standards won't even allow anything to be cool or grungy or dignified in its misery. Even hardened criminals who are trying to spurn the system can't enter a convenience store to rob it without passing through a door that only opens if you strike a "fun" pose and say some products tagline to a camera. The company immediately has the right to use this in advertising in perpetuity.

One of the most popular jobs is to watch ads in a packed office building aa a 9 to 5(i.e. 9 to 9), but to make any real money you have to watch them at 50 times speed. This means on your first day on this job you have to have mods installed in your brain to make that processing speed possible. The mods remain in your brain but shut down after word hours. Your pay is docked 25 percent until you've paid back what the mods cost.

[Anonymous No.13747046]

The US started to become cringe when Californians started running it (as opposed to Boston Brahmin or New York types)

[Anonymous No.13747079]

Is A Confederacy of Dunces hotdogpunk?

[Anonymous No.13747200]

>>13746686
Damn he is nuts

[Anonymous No.13747757]

>>13746472
>boogaloo
back to niggergram you go

[Anonymous No.13747792]

>>13746613
>>13746627
I find it amazing how one guy managed to develop such an effective strategy for appealing to the human consciousness just by having access to the right ideas and being able to manipulate them in the right way. Freud should have kept his mouth tight.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13747795]

>>13745810
That’s an event. The result is, put simply, capitalism.
We must destroy capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13748373]

>>13741872
It was probably a fad. I even wrote some "Burgerpunk" short stories.

[Anonymous No.13748375]

>>13747046
So it was better when it was WASPS and some jews?

[Anonymous No.13748400]

>>13747795
Can we destroy capitalism with my penis pressed up against your face? :3

[Anonymous No.13748460]

>>13746606
Guilty? Because you're surviving? Marketing and online marketing are not inherently evil because they're effective. It's them being part of a bigger machine with much more controversial compartments than that serving your business. Thank you for fighting against entropy, against making order where there was none.

[Anonymous No.13748474]

>>13746991
Stop it!

[Anonymous No.13748488]

>>13747795
Hehe

*poke* *poke* :3

[Anonymous No.13748842]

>>13741872
Burgerpunk is just large corporations utilizing marketing tactics and memes developed by power-hungry, spiritually controlling organized religions, narcissistic and prideful courts of absolute kingdoms, and radical, ideologically committed autocratic regimes, all further polished by modern cutting edge behavioral science and the perpetual search for even greater profits. In the end, it will always change shape, but it is here to stay, since it never left in the first place.

[Anonymous No.13749555]

>>13745115
No.

[Anonymous No.13749562]

>>13745134
See: Heat, Drive, Her.

[Anonymous No.13749568]

>>13745192
Where were you when the critical theory retards were trying to derail the initial threads?

[Anonymous No.13749579]

>>13745933
Stop posting

[Anonymous No.13749588]

>>13746098
>First are the soulless neolibs who go centre-right if they hate brown people or go centre-left if they hate their dad
lost

[Anonymous No.13749619]

>>13748842
No, you don't get it.

[Anonymous No.13749701]

It has always been like this

June 1425
Franciscan friar Bernardino da Siena preaches a of cycle of sermons
"Therefore, Christ Jesus says, come to me you who want this merchandise since there is no other person who sells it in this shop....And because you are familiar with the shop of this merchant, you know that it has five tall windows and that they spew forth the fire of love. What is this shop? it is a gracious body of Christ on the cross which has five Windows which are the wounds of his hands, feet, and breast, from which, out of love for you, blood pours forth in order to wash away your sins. The sign of the shop is the cross....... at the cross love is for sale!"

1304 Dominican friar Giordano da Pisa gives a sermon
"Mary gave up earthly delights in order to have enternal ones and profited from everything....She profited from everything and extracted benefit just like a wise merchant"
>13745731
>>13747795
>Capitalism started with the industrial revolution
Bruh no

[Anonymous No.13749716]

>>13741905
fat Mexican hand

[Anonymous No.13749717]

>>13742052
>the Feudal and Mercantile systems were corrupt and backward
Modern capitalism is worse.

[Anonymous No.13749720]

>>13746606
based. nothing immoral has been done by either you or them (supposing they, too, are completely accountable for their actions)

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13749764]

>>13749701
My diagnosis is a start. I am also against the state, and what you would all find even scarier; I am against the law.
I was laughed at by lit some years ago for stating that capitalism went back through recorded history. Of course *modern* capitalism is recent iteration of the old. Money, debt tokens, need to be discontinued, in order for the true value of life to flourish.
We must destroy capitalism

[Anonymous No.13749773]

>>13749764
Have you seen the new Joker movie?

[Anonymous No.13749776]

>>13745584

stunning image

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13749787]

>>13749773
Nope.

[Anonymous No.13749814]

>>13745538
No it's just capitalism you cringy dumbfucks

[Anonymous No.13750132]

>>13741872
It became too real.

[Anonymous No.13750176]

>burgerpunk

[Anonymous No.13750314]

>>13749764
Capitalism can see it's initial Roots as far back as late medieval Italian communes, but capitalism as we know it came of age around the Dutch golden years of the 17th century

[Anonymous No.13750323]

>>13750176

[Anonymous No.13750391]

>>13750323
>um....sweatie, maybe let people enjoy things??

[Anonymous No.13750400]

>>13745835
Everything is an ad. Marketing is insidious. Advertisers should be shot or kill themselves. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.13750407]

>>13750400

[Anonymous No.13750513]

>>13745933
this. the Greeks figured out how to break out of this loop of “cyclical history” and strive for greatness. unfortunately we strove in the wrong direction at some point and ended up in capitalist dystopia

[Anonymous No.13750565]

>>13741905
How does one become an anti-capitalist rightist. Or do I just convert to some kind of social nationalism?

[Anonymous No.13750607]

>>13749764
>We must
lol, do it yourself slacker

[Anonymous No.13750609]

>>13750565
any tradition or reactionary ideology should work