Where do I start learning about china?

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Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:44:13 2019 No.13740247 [Reply] [Original]

Where do I start learning about china?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:44:55 2019 No.13740251 >>13740247 you don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:54:15 2019 No.13740307 >>13740251 You don't think it's worth knowing more about the soon-to-be global super power?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:54:37 2019 No.13740309 File: 19 KB, 318x443, 2228852._SX318_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] start with the Han

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:55:29 2019 No.13740312 >>13740247 china

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 12:57:45 2019 No.13740323 >>13740307 hahahahHHAHAAHHA

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:03:31 2019 No.13740344 File: 1.62 MB, 1082x884, china.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] since china is taking over, you better start to understand them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:06:55 2019 No.13740359 >>13740344 Ah nice one man, appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:08:25 2019 No.13740368 >>13740344 We need more like this. I'll post some more when I can.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:10:18 2019 No.13740376 wikipedia you're welcome

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:10:38 2019 No.13740378

Is there a book which deals with the question of whether or not the chinese want more democracy ? This question seems to be very often avoided in western media when it comes to Russia and China. I's read anything going from historical to more current sociological perspectives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:10:55 2019 No.13740382 >>13740344 china is completely dependent on US consumerism. its mathematically impossible for them to overtake us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:12:19 2019 No.13740389 >>13740323 Don't be naive man

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:13:13 2019 No.13740395
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Does anyone remember the name of that 1920s (?) priest who wrote a tell-all about his time in China, and the habits of the people there? It was pretty fucking harrowing.

There's also this from a 4chan poster, who I wish had written a book because damn:
http://imgur.com/a/aSFTC

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:13:33 2019 No.13740399 >>13740382 >6 billion chinamen vs. 3 million American You do the math

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:15:22 2019 No.13740408 >>13740378 Yes look at academic publishers

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:16:43 2019 No.13740415

>>13740382
Mathematically impossible? They've debt trapped several key trading route locations and have long-term goals of how best to economically 'liberate' African resources - and lets face it, those that supply the rare elements needed in the IoT will be king.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:28:41 2019 No.13740480 >>13740247 > learn Chinese > go to China > learn about China Or I guess you could exclusively read the experiences of outsiders, hacks and career academics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:34:06 2019 No.13740509 >>13740480 >go to China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV1EY6wZHo

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 13:47:03 2019 No.13740566 File: 347 KB, 1721x2096, 81YsGB7PLoL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13740247 here ya go anon. this is a good primer. it's got all kinds of china in it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 15:26:28 2019 No.13741137 >>13740408 too busy to go to uni library cuz wagecucking. buying academic publications online is too expensive. any lazy suggestions ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:31:34 2019 No.13741963 File: 6 KB, 214x236, Grayons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13740566

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:33:17 2019 No.13741976 File: 17 KB, 460x276, 1527742823963.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13741137 Stop being lazy. Start with Peterson. Clean your room. Wash your benis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:42:46 2019 No.13742039 File: 121 KB, 970x546, ab0a2cdd-ca8f-4d2f-84af-57beb2f3dc51-pitt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13740399 >2:1 ratio Sounds like a fair fight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:44:06 2019 No.13742047 >>13740247 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:49:16 2019 No.13742065 china needs the west to stay wealthy enough so they can bait us into buying their shit products for too much money.

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:54:35 2019 No.13742090

>>13740247

- John Keay : China : A History

- Confucianism : An Introduction (I.B.Tauris Introductions to Religion)

- Ta Hsueh and Chung Yung: The Highest Order of Cultivation AND On the Practice of the Mean (Penguin Classics)
- Analects: With Selections from Traditional Commentaries (Hackett Classics Series)
- Mengzi: With Selections from Traditional Commentaries (Hackett Classics)

- The Book of Songs ( Arthur Waley )
- The Book of Documents ( Shang Shu )
- The Book of Rites (Li Ji): English-Chinese Version
- The Classic of Changes : A New Translation of the I Ching as Interpreted by Wang Bi (Translations from the Asian Classic)
- Zuo Tradition / Zuozhuan: Commentary on the "Spring and Autumn Annals" (Classics of Chinese Thought): Commentary on the "Spring and Autumn Annals": Three Volumes ( ! )

- Xunzi: The Complete Text ( Eric L. Hutton )
- Daoism : An Introduction (I.B. Tauris Introductions to Religion)

- Tao Te Ching (D.C. Lau)
- Lao-Tzu's Taoteching ( Red Pine )

- The Complete Works of Zhuangzi (Translations from the Asian Classics)
- Zhuangzi (Brook Ziporyn edition)

- The Book of Lieh-Tzu: A Classic of the Tao (Translations from the Oriental Classics)
- The Mozi: A Complete Translation (Translations from the Asian Classics)
- The Book of Lord Shang: Apologetics of State Power in Early China (Translations From the Asian Classics)
- Han Feizi: Basic Writings (TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ASIAN CLASSICS)
- The Art of War (Everyman's Library Classics)

- Records of the Grand Historian: Qin Dynasty (Records of Civilization, Sources and Studies)
- Records of the Grand Historian: Han Dynasty I (Records of Civilization, Sources and Studies)
- Records of the Grand Historian: Han Dynasty II (Records of Civilization, Sources and Studies)

- How to Read Chinese Poetry: A Guided Anthology (How to Read Chinese Literature)

- Poems of the Masters: China's Classic Anthology of t'Ang and Sung Dynasty Verse ( Red Pine )

- The Classic of Mountains And Seas (Penguin Classics S.)

- The Songs of the South : An Ancient Chinese Anthology of Poems By Qu Yuan And Other Poets

- Three Hundred Tang Poems ( Everyman )

- The Selected Poems of Li Po
- The Selected Poems of Tu Fu: Expanded and Newly Translated by David Hinton
- The Selected Poems of Wang Wei (New Directions Paperbook)
- In Such Hard Times: The Poetry of Wei Ying-Wu ( Red Pine )
- Po Chu-i: Selected Poems (Translations from the Asian Classics)
- The Collected Songs of Cold Mountain ( Red Pine )
- Romance of the Three Kingdoms
- Water Margin
- Journey to the West
- Dream of the Red Chamber
- The Plum in the Golden Vase
- Unofficial History of the Scholars

- Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio (Penguin Classics)

- Shen Fu : Six Records of a Life Adrift (Hackett Classics

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:55:37 2019 No.13742096 >>13742090 like anyone's gonna read all that shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:55:41 2019 No.13742097 File: 96 KB, 442x415, Xi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13740378 Qiushi is the CCP's theoretical journal http://english.qstheory.cn/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:55:57 2019 No.13742100 >>13740247 Nick Land

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 17:58:28 2019 No.13742118 >>13742096 If you can't be bothered to learn their culture you will never understand the Chinese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 18:05:57 2019 No.13742171 File: 22 KB, 325x300, NixonSadThumbsUp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13742097 For posting that image you have just lost 100 Social Credit Points.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 18:10:05 2019 No.13742201 >>13742118 i just want some fried rice and duck

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 18:14:33 2019 No.13742226 Who is the guy who is their main theorist now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 18:15:35 2019 No.13742232 >>13742226 me

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 18:58:07 2019 No.13742449 Liveleak threads

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 20:11:04 2019 No.13742843 >>13742226 i think his name is ching-chong xi ping-pong

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 20:12:32 2019 No.13742852
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>>13740247
Not technically a book but the Great Courses "Fall and Rise of China" is like 60 hours of in-depth lectures focused mainly on 20th century China. You can find it for free if you look in the right places.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 21:09:10 2019 No.13743092 File: 490 KB, 449x401, Girls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13742843 What a funny and original joke!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 22:02:34 2019 No.13743339 File: 2.90 MB, 2556x1947, Pisssssss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >nooooooo my gay rights, transsexual children, african lumpenproles colonising inner cities, our dream liberal humanist future shattered aaaaaaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:33:47 2019 No.13743719 >>13740247 Read Wang Huning

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 01:19:23 2019 No.13744107 >>13740247 On China by Henry Kissinger

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 04:06:14 2019 No.13744511 Night guys, hope this is still up when I get back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 04:12:43 2019 No.13744524 >>13742100 This and anything on AI.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 04:44:28 2019 No.13744590 File: 103 KB, 300x475, 3306533.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13740247

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 05:08:51 2019 No.13744635 [DELETED]

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Anonymous Mon Sep 2 05:34:24 2019 No.13744689
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>>13740323
You should really do some reading on the Korean War anon. The Chinese have beat our asses into a stalemate, damn near won. There's a reason no one talks about the Korean war in the US.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 05:38:02 2019 No.13744690 File: 21 KB, 600x315, 9994b6abc75f083629e25c00726c4cfe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13742090 >Poetry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:26:02 2019 No.13744896 >>13740247 chinese philosophy & communism

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:51:47 2019 No.13745139 >>13740247 ranma 1/2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:58:08 2019 No.13745167 >the state of this thread You'd think /pol/ would respect East Asians because they've got a higher IQ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 13:35:47 2019 No.13746642 >>13741976 I'm a wagecuck so by definition I wash my bepis, and my room -which is not moms basement- is clean. I think you wanted to post Zizek and tell me I should stop being enslaved by commodities schniff

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 15:22:27 2019 No.13747251 File: 48 KB, 600x300, ZizekSex.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13746642 You should do both of those things, and try to have intercourse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 15:23:30 2019 No.13747259 >>13744635 Are you ok? I think you just had a stroke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 15:32:03 2019 No.13747299 >>13744689 t. Chang You even conjugate with an Oriental diction. "The Chinese have beat our asses into a stalemate, damn near won." Chicom myth, and I can almost hear the funny accent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 15:44:29 2019 No.13747362 >>13747251 how do I get grill if I don't have commodities ? Tell her how clean my bepis is ? Even with a crackwhore its only half the job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 16:21:19 2019 No.13747578 >>13740247 https://supchina.com/2019/08/27/the-supchina-book-list/

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 17:00:25 2019 No.13747746

>>13747299
Bullshit. They drove the UN forces out of North Korea and chased them all the way back to Seoul and killed at least 200,000 UN troops.

Like I said, do some reading you fucking moron, most if not all historical accounts point out that the UN got its ass hammered just as bad as the chinks did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 17:04:21 2019 No.13747764 >>13742090 Why did you choose these?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 17:13:42 2019 No.13747812 >>13747578 There is already a lot of junk here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 19:50:46 2019 No.13748653 gonna learn chink just for fuck with ebay vendors

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 20:35:29 2019 No.13748935 >>13747764 Because he thinks it makes him more /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 22:16:41 2019 No.13749520 Sources of East Asian Tradition (vol. 1)

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 22:57:11 2019 No.13749728

The Chinaboo:
Read TONS of books on China, set in China, Chinese novels, Chinese history, Chinese philosophy, sociology, and economics books, watch only Chinese films, learn Mandarin Chinese.
The casual Chinafan:
Read a few Chinese history Wikipedia articles, watch a few Chinese films every now and then, learn to say nihao and xiexie, visit China one day
The not-really-China fan:
Watch Koihime Musou and assume that that's what China is like, eat chahan and gyoza
The Chinese Studies BA:
Read stuff on China written by foreign scholars & academics, interpret Chinese history and culture through Western-tinged lenses

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 23:01:04 2019 No.13749740 >>13744524 Is it pseudish to read up on AI without knowing about programming?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 23:03:48 2019 No.13749752 >>13749740 Not really. It wouldn't hurt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 00:40:03 2019 No.13750159 >>13742039 they know kungfu which is a metaphor for more skillful logos west is just ape like

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 00:41:19 2019 No.13750165 >>13740378 maybe because it exposes the pitfalls of democracy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 00:42:21 2019 No.13750168 >>13740509 what does this brainlet even know

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 05:17:36 2019 No.13751061 >>13749728 Ignore posts like these

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 06:56:42 2019 No.13751307 >>13750168 It's a bit better than these shitty books for contemporary China but yeah, these channels aren't good either. Also that channel in particular is straight up clickbaity nonsense. Don't watch any of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 08:14:20 2019 No.13751552 The contemporary stuff is actually usually the good stuff.

Anonymous Tue Sep 3 11:08:50 2019 No.13752224

>>13740389
Ridiculous to think China can become the next dominant power.
Here's what will actually happen.
There will be a war between the US and China, since neither side will accept the dominance of the other.
Then both will sustain such heavy losses that neither of them will be fit to be called a superpower. The world will be multipolar until a new superpower emerges.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 13:14:04 2019 No.13752787 >>13743339 What’s happening here

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 13:58:05 2019 No.13753022 >>13740247 By moving to Vancouver.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 18:07:12 2019 No.13754424 >>13747812 >junk clever

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 18:09:56 2019 No.13754437 >Where China.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 3 19:42:35 2019 No.13754972 >>13754437 Kek. Peak autism

Anonymous Tue Sep 3 20:58:39 2019 No.13755391
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>>13740247
>>13740307
>he thinks he can get a halfway-accurate history of china after dynasties and state goverments have destroyed their historical records over and over countless times

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 00:27:31 2019 No.13756437 >>13755391 >What is modern?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 01:40:43 2019 No.13756697 >>13742226 Nick Land

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 01:50:07 2019 No.13756728 >>13740247 Poorly Made in China The End of Cheap China Before the Deluge Inside The Red Mansion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 02:03:32 2019 No.13756754 File: 95 KB, 1024x756, 1472374082654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soulless amoral bugmen, I hope they all die, except for Jackie Chan he's cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 03:09:55 2019 No.13756864 Steven W. Mosher

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 03:23:02 2019 No.13756904 File: 28 KB, 768x431, 1509909401048.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Get a Chinese gf. They are super cute traditional and you can learn about China from her and her friends. God I miss her so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 10:40:24 2019 No.13758115 >>13752787 hong kong protesters getting trashed

Anonymous Wed Sep 4 10:46:34 2019 No.13758141
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Read this first, then begin a study of the language, culture, history and philosophy of the country. One book won't cut it. The dynamics are complex and subtle, be prepared for a total paradigm shift. The Chinese don't think the same as westerners, they don't act the same as us. They have a massive superiority complex. They are very secretive. Deception is an accepted, even expected way of life; it's part of the culture.
If you pursue this line of inquiry, be prepared for the biggest rabbit hole of your life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 10:52:33 2019 No.13758166 File: 71 KB, 980x654, 640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13742090 holy shit thanks for the effortpost anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:03:37 2019 No.13758211 >>13756904 What happened fren?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:10:20 2019 No.13758233 >>13752787 Water cannons are standard response to protests (or even large aglomerations of people) in most East Asian countries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:23:32 2019 No.13758305 >>13740378 >This question seems to be very often avoided in western media when it comes to Russia It is one of the only things they talk about, to be honest.

Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:23:35 2019 No.13758306

>>13742852
I’ve listened to the whole thing and I can second this. It’s greatest strength is it’s balance in presentation. Obviously a huge portion of the course is about Mao and events that happened around or because of him, and he manages to give an assessment that neither seeks to demonize him as some sort of singular world historical evil, but also doesn’t pull punches about the genuine mistakes and very real crimes committed by Mao and his deputies.

The most interesting section though are the lectures that cover the Deng period. This is where the real fascinating contradictions of China come out.

The Great Courses also have a series which gives a bigger sweep of Chinese history, starting 5000 years ago, and this compliments the other course really well.

Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:35:10 2019 No.13758360
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>>13742852
>>13758306
I listened to "5000 Years of Chinese History" and thought it was pretty good, are these by the same lecturer? I liked his style, but would have liked to hear him go into more detail on events rather than try to cover entire centuries in a single 40 minute episode.

I also found this book for dirt cheap at a library sale the other day, does anyone know if it's any good? I imagine parts of it have to be out of date by now, but it looked like a good introduction to the chronology of things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:44:01 2019 No.13758412 >>13758360 It’s a different guy but I really like both of them. The 5000 years guy is an ancient China historian, while the Fall and Rise guy is an political scientist/foreign relations expert.

Anonymous Wed Sep 4 11:53:54 2019 No.13758479

>>13758306
Whats contradictory about Deng? Him and other party "rightists" that were targeted by Mao seem like the inevitable chinese character back in governance

Mao actually believing his own wartime leftist rhetoric, and structuring a society based on "permanent revolution" was the exception to all that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 4 13:30:08 2019 No.13758954 go find a chinese girl to fug

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