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[Anonymous No.13728086]

>I’m going to improve this world or I’m gonna exterminate the people who are to blame

How could one man be so based

[Anonymous No.13728110]

>improve the world
>starts the worst war in the history of mankind which ended with the invention of weapons of mass destruction

[Anonymous No.13728121]

>>13728110
>Germany started WWII
wew lad what a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.13728123]

>>13728121
How did it start oh sage?

[Anonymous No.13728131]

>>13728123
Poland refused to relinquish land that belonged to Germany before it was stolen after WWI.

[Anonymous No.13728133]

>>13728123
>France and the uk declare war over something that had jackshit to do with them
>fucking germans

[Anonymous No.13728144]

>>13728133
>soviets kill up to 7 millions Ukrainians via mass starvation
>nothing happens
>germans kill up to 6 million jews
>worst tragedy mankind ever witnessed
>soviets invade Poland
>nada
>germany invades Poland over stolen land and massacre of german citizens
>world war, motherfucker

[卐 No.13728156]

>>13728131
Thank you

[Anonymous No.13728159]

>>13728144
>>13728133
>>13728156
>>13728131
>WHY DIDN'T THE UK AND FRANCE GO TO WAR WITH THE TWO BIGGEST CONTINENTAL EUROPEAN POWERS AT THE SAME TIME NOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.13728164]

>>13728159
The URSS did both things way before Germany did, you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.13728174]

>>13728164
The soviet invasion of Poland, Finland, the Baltic States, and eastern romania all happened after the eternal kraut chimped out for the quintillionth time

[Anonymous No.13728193]

>>13728159
Why did they go to war at all with Germany? He only limited his proposal to Poland to two revisions. First, he asked to construct an Autobahn and railroad line across he corridor to connect Germany with East Prussia. The German diplomat Julius Schnurre had already suggested this to Beck in 1935 without receiving an answer. Secondly, Hitler wanted Danzig to come under German sovereignty. In return, he was prepared to acknowledge Germany's eastern border fixed by the Allied Peace Commission as final, something no Weimar administration had hitherto done, and offer Poland a 25-year old non-agression pact.

[Anonymous No.13728197]

>>13728159
Does the screaming negate the point? The land actually belonged to Germany yet they are at fault?

[Anonymous No.13728199]

>>13728131
>stolen
They LOST. It was a concession. The allied powers could’ve asked for way more. That’s the law of war. The Germans signed off that land.

[Anonymous No.13728203]

>>13728133
Britain and France were as trapped in their geopolitical situation as Germany was. Britain was the preeminent power in the world and all of its historical rivals were either weak or in decline. Britain had every reason to want to maintain the status quo (everyone has a shit navy but me, everyone is locked on their continent but me) indefinitely. Maybe you could make some kind of argument that Britain should have been more realistic and opened themselves to the possibility of a strong Germany, at least as preferable to an invincible USSR dominating all of Eurasia (a real possibility - Orwell's 1984 scenario was no light joke), but France at the very least had no choice but to fight Germany. France was in historic alliance with Russia as a counterbalance to Germany for a reason. The preeminence of Germany on the continent meant the permanent endangerment of France necessarily.

Then again, the preeminence of anyone but Germany on the continent meant the permanent endangerment of Germany, which is why Germany had no choice themselves but to first aim for a colonial empire, which Britain and France disallowed, and then to aim for a continental empire. Everybody intelligent knew that you had to expand to survive in the geopolitical situation ca. 1880-1930, and most really intelligent people, like Max Weber, openly preached the extreme danger of not having enough expansion underway when the boom period of industrial capitalism and colonialism eventually begins to implode and retract, and "infinite growth" as a possibility stops.

Germany had no choice but to be a second-place power next to England and maybe France, which naturally meant a satellite of England and maybe France, or to attempt to assert itself. And all of this is not even to mention the immediate danger of Bolshevism, which openly tried to worm its way into every nation in the border zone between Germany and Russia, and which openly and clearly had designs on universal conquest. If Germany didn't take Poland et al., the USSR would have, and then they would use those resources to swallow Germany without a second thought.

Probably the MOST reasonable thing Germany could have done was Hitler's policy of using ethnic nationalism as a pretext for (finally) creating a Greater Germany, which had been the real goal since the 19th century. He managed to more or less peacefully do what the Germans couldn't in 1848 and 1871. Britain had to make hard choices, fast, when it came to the creation of a German Empire on the continent, but it's not like Germany was making choices any less difficult.

Really the most locked-in was France. France was fucked no matter what, because she was a secondary power who hadn't admitted it to herself yet. Either become a satellite of Britain, or be conquered by Germany/later the USSR.

[Anonymous No.13728205]

>>13728197
>owned by poland
>actually belonged to Germany
By this logic I assume you have no issue with the soviet invasion, since they took mostly Belarussian and Ukrainian lands

[Anonymous No.13728208]

>>13728199
>>13728205
>War and survival pf the strongest determines the winner

Whoa... Seems pretty..
Fascist

[Anonymous No.13728213]

>>13728086
>I’m gonna exterminate the people who are to blame
Anti-semitism has no scientific base and is illogical. Hardly based, the man was delusional. History shows its always the Krauts fucking themselves over. Modernist degeneracy is a direct reaction to the two WWs. Just look at what happened to German culture after Hitler.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13728218]

>One "race" responsible" for the mess the collective masses made with a rotten system.

>Land
>Belonging to "A People"

WRONG BOARD

[Anonymous No.13728219]

>>13728208
Afterwar treaties are literally social contracts and democratic. If the allied powers were fascits they would’ve just disintegrated Germany like in the olden days when a kingdom was conquered. But instead they let Germany continue with relative autonomy.

[Anonymous No.13728220]

>>13728086
卐
Ahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.13728222]

>>13728205
>>13728193
Germany was making huge concessions for Poland. Hitler was going to fixate the German border only if they would give him the Autobahn and Danzig, a city that was over 90% German and all throughout history in German hands.

[Anonymous No.13728230]

>>13728199
>land grabbing in Africa, Europe, Asia, India, etc.
>evil money hungry ways backfire
>blame Germany

I’ll show you the law of war

[Anonymous No.13728231]

[Anomynuos No.13728236]

>just ignores the treaty of Versailles allowing economic growth and the country to be rebuilt at a faster pace than during the Wiemar republic
>"WOW HITLER IS SUCH AN ECONOMIC AND A LEADERSHIP GENIUS, EVEN THO HE DID BAD THINGS YOU CAN"T IGNORE THE GOOD THINGS HE DID FOR THE COUNTRY"

[Anonymous No.13728237]

>>13728230
Hmmm. I wonder what Nazi Germany was trying to do by taking over Europe, im sure those lands in Northern africa were historically German too. You’re a hypocrite and you know it.

[Anonymous No.13728242]

>>13728199
It's funny how you faggots talk about MUH DEMOCRATIC VALUES, yet when Hitler rebuffed the Allies by the right to self determination, you cucks say nothing.

[Anonymous No.13728245]

>>13728230
>start some shit
>loses
>complains afterwards
Germany are a bunch of bitches. Glorious aryans when things are going there way, but suddenly innocent victims when they lose and suffer the consequences.

[Anonymous No.13728249]

[卐 No.13728250]

Liberal education Vs people who actually did their own research /thread

[Anonymous No.13728254]

>>13728236
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what the conditions of the general labor was before Hitler in Weimar? Why the fuck do you think that the most popular parties were the Communists and Nazis? Weimar didn't manage to do shit, it constantly ignored the rights of the laborer and allowed the degeneration of society.

[Anonymous No.13728259]

>>13728242
What do you mean? Hitler got democratically elected and the allies let it pass. Shit wouldn’t have started if Poland would’ve GIVEN the land back to Germany. Self determination regards the sovereign in charge. It doesnt matter if the German population wanted to be part of Germany. Land was legally Poland’s. The Germans couldve just gone back to Germany or rebelled on their own. But nope, Hitler declared military action. This is a self determination issue. Poland self determined not to give Hitler the land. Germany self determined to start war.

[Anonymous No.13728272]

[Anonymous No.13728283]

>break every promise you ever gave, intervene in the spanish civil war, annex austria, the Sudetenland and then Czechslovakia, remilitarize the border
>wtf why won't you guys believe me when I say I won't annex all of Poland
>>13728254
Social democrats were the second largest party in 33, actually. Communists were 3rd. Together, they had more votes than the Nazis, both parties were at least nominally marxist, and it was largely their failure to form a united front that let the conservatives put Hitler into power, much to their later dismay.

[Anonymous No.13728292]

>>13728237
>Taking over Europe
In the Reichstag on may 17, 1933, Hitler publicly responded: "Germany would be ready without delay to disband her entire military establishment and destroy what little remains of her arsenal, if the other nations involved will do the same. But if other states are unwilling to implement the condition of disarmament the peace treaty of Versailles obligates them to, then Germany must at least insist on her right to parity."

Hitler introduced proposals for international armaments reduction during the first year in office. During 1933 and 1934, the Reich elevated less than four percent of the budget to defense. This was not even half of the percentage spent by France, Japan and the USSR, which already maintained large arsenals.

From 1932 to 1936, the German government introduced seven proposals to limit or reduce world armaments. In none of these did the Reich demand parity: Hitler offered to maintain an air force half the size of France's and was prepared to accept a national defense force vastly inferior to the combined strenth of surrounding countries allied to one another. He appealed to the Great Powers to abolish offensive weapons and outlaw aerial bombardment. He was the only European leader willing to entrust the security of his nation to the good faith of the neighboring states. None of Germany's proposals kindled interest among the former enemy coalition, It pursued an escalating arms race, and denounced Hitler as a warmonger.

[Anonymous No.13728293]

>>13728250
>did their own research /thread
>looked up revisionists websites with zero empirical data, and no scientific evidence

[Anonymous No.13728298]

>>13728259
>>13728193

[Anonymous No.13728316]

>>13728292
What does this have to do with the fact that the Axis power occupied half of Europe during WW2?
Do you take public declarations by state officials? Do you not see this a strategic move on Hitler’s part to justified the subsequent militarization of Germany? By making a ridiculous offering that no nation would possibly take, considering the other threats in Europe at the time (USSR mainly for western powers). Hitler knew no one would accept his proposal, it’s all smoke and basic politics.

[Anonymous No.13728317]

>>13728293
no I went to the public library :)

[Anonymous No.13728324]

>>13728298
Poland said NO and they had the legal right to do it. Germany infringed that right, starting war. The allied powers were also contractually impelled to declared war on Germany.

[Anonymous No.13728326]

>>13728293
Even Wikipedia confirms that the ussr invaded poland first

[Anonymous No.13728327]

I dont know that well ever see a man so based again for the rest of our existence. Sadly, I think that he was too kind and lax on his methods and for that, the eternal enemy is taking it upon himself to try and wipe us out once and for all. Not enough people realize or even care to stop it, because their earthly needs seem to be met

[Anonymous No.13728329]

>>13728219
>The Germans weren't Fascists because they agreed to not kill all of the Slavs

This is your logic.

[Anonymous No.13728333]

>>13728324
Poland can go fuck herself

[Anonymous No.13728337]

>>13728329
They didn't have the time to genocide all slavs but that was their intention