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[Anonymous No.13725393]

Nietzsche would have admired her for articulating the Übermensch in fiction as well as she did. John Galt and Howard Roark are the Übermenschen Nietzsche would have wanted us to aspire towards to.

[Anonymous No.13725403]

You're probably being ironic, but the answer to the question that you didn't ask is no, he would not have admired the money-grubbing kikes in her novel.

[Anonymous No.13725409]

I don't come into your living room and shit on the floor so why do you do it to us

[Anonymous No.13725433]

>>13725403
Nietzsche hated anti-semitism, it's one of the reasons why he parted with Wagner. You're wrong and no, I'm not being ironic I meant what I posted.

[Anonymous No.13725451]

>>13725393
jewess that tried to divide gentiles by promoting extreme individualism

[Anonymous No.13725456]

>>13725433
I wasn't talking about literal jews retard

[Anonymous No.13725466]

>>13725393
Zarathustra was revered for his entrepreneurship after all.

[Anonymous No.13725479]

>>13725451
There's nothing wrong with the kind of invidualism Rand is espousing. In fact; it's the whole point of Also sprach Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.13725484]

>>13725393
Nietzsche would have hated Ayn Rand. If you think otherwise then you have not properly read him. Rand apes some of the superficial aspects of Nietzsche but perverts them into a tychoon parody.

[Anonymous No.13725487]

>>13725456
Are you implying Nietzsche would not have edmired life-affirming, entrepenurial capitalists? Lol, you're the retard. Bet you're one of theose Bataille fags who think Nietzsche was leftist.

[Anonymous No.13725491]

>>13725393
>towards to

[Anonymous No.13725499]

>>13725484
I see, no argument, just the same old "Nietzsche is nothing like Rand" bullshit, with nothing to back it up. There is virtually no difference between Rand's and Nietzsche's philosophy.

[Anonymous No.13725515]

>>13725487
He was not a leftist but he was not a capitalist either. Nietzsche valued artists and art above all else while capitalism degrades, perverts, and destroys everything beautiful. Capitalism also leaves great men at the burden of appealing to masses which Nietzsche also hated. Nietzsche's ideal men are fearless thinkers, artists, and conquerors not little bugmen in suits pushing money around.

[Anonymous No.13725531]

>>13725487
>capitalism
>life-affirming
If there exists one poisonous ideology that is absolutely hostile to the sanctity life and all that is whole and sacred it is certainly capitalism

[Anonymous No.13725533]

>>13725479
>being an übermensch is about amassing material fortune
fuck you're clueless

[Anonymous No.13725539]

>>13725487
I'm right wing as fuck, so right that I already shit on materialism again. Just like Nietzsche did, btw. Try reading him.

[Anonymous No.13725540]

>>13725499
An Übermensch is not an egoist. End of discussion. And Nietzsche despised the pursuit of fortune as the driving essence of a man.

[Anonymous No.13725552]

>>13725499
"Mankind unsparingly uses every individual as material to heat its great machines; but what good are the machines when all individuals (that is, mankind) serve only to keep them going? Machines that are their own end - is that the umana commedia"

[Anonymous No.13725553]

>>13725515
this.
if you want to read nietzschean novels, try stuff by robert e. howard.

[Anonymous No.13725569]

>>13725552
This. I believe it was Plato who said that acquiring wealth as your main goal in life is to confuse the means with the end. One should only strive wealth if one intends on using it virtuously, which can absolutely not be said of the shithead protagonists in Rands novels.

[Anonymous No.13725580]

>>13725531
>behold, the land John Galt would build.

[Anonymous No.13725649]

>>13725540
>"An Übermensch is not an egoist."
Kek, now I truly know you're a faggot who probably only ever read the Wikipedia entry on Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13725677]

>>13725649
I speak German fluently since birth and read Nietzsche in the original writing, du verkommener Sklave. Your lack of understanding of what an Übermensch is and how he elevates himself by making the world a place of virtue through his power is not my problem. The whole point of Zarathustra is that by leaving his hermit life behind and spreading his values and insight he becomes a veritable Übermensch.

[Anonymous No.13725684]

>>13725677
Not the guy you are arguing with, but Zarathustra is not an Ubermensch, he only announces his coming

[Anonymous No.13725711]

>>13725684
I read it that by announcing his coming, Zarathusra has understood the process of becoming an Übermensch and is therefore heading irreversibly down the path of the Eternal Throw. This is only possible ´by making the announcement to himself and the world, which is only possible in a social context.
Literally one of his first acts when he enters the social sphere (the city) is to come to the aid of the tightrope walker, so the concept of the Übermensch as an egoist is a severe misunderstanding of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13725719]

>>13725711
I really don't think Zarathustra is the Ubermensch, but I agree on your egoism point. I am not OP and I do not agree with Randlets

[Anonymous No.13725720]

>>13725649
>Bless the cup that is about to overflow, that the water may flow golden out of it, and carryeverywhere the reflection of: thy bliss!
he described the Übermensch as "the Roman Caesar with the sould of Christ"

[Anonymous No.13726469]

>>13725580
I-it's life-affirming

[Anonymous No.13726678]

>>13725533
>egoism is about amassing material fortune

[Anonymous No.13726728]

>>13726678
Nietzsche saw pure egoism as little better than Nihilism. You want to be self-centered but the highest ideal is to be gripped by some powerful desire, feeling, or project in order to further your power throughout history even at the cost of your own annihilation.
In other words the egoism of tycoons is of a smaller, lesser variety than the grand will-based egoism of Nietzsche.