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[Anonymous No.13663663]

If he hadn't written it, we would have been in communism right now.

[Anonymous No.13663704]

>>13663663
So that’s a good thing?

[Anonymous No.13663719]

the less philosophy the better we are then?

[Anonymous No.13663720]

Like anyone actually read this

[Anonymous No.13663831]

>NOT REAL COMMUNISM

[Soren Kierkegaard No.13663838]

>>13663663
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.13664063]

>>13663663
I have a better opinion of him now.

[Anomynuos No.13664104]

no one took him seriously and cappies didn't ease up until people started unionizing and striking.
of course proles being spineless slaves they saw a 1$ increase in wage or a one hour less of work as a huge victory so they stopped while actual revolutionaries were cast out as "extremists" utopians, etc

[Anonymous No.13664132]

>>13663663
If he wouldn't have written it we wouldn't have butterfly right now! :3

[Anonymous No.13664158]

>>13663831
But in Capital he was writing about socialism.

[Anomynuos No.13664173]

>>13663831
that's communism with russian characteristics, instead of killing cappies they send them to work to death in siberia.

[Anonymous No.13664951]

>>13663663
proudhon and sorel are better

marx killed socialism

[Anonymous No.13665536]

>>13663838
Marx recognised that class struggle drives history. When the contradictions between the classes become too great society is changed through revolution. Speaking broadly, French revolution ended feudalism and was superseded by capitalism. Now that Marx has written Capital, capitalists and members of the bourgeoisie can now act to keep the contradictions from getting out of hand. Prohibition of child labour, 5 hour work week, 8 hour work day, paid vacation, maternity leave, etc. these are all concessions by the owners of the means of production and the law-makers/State that just exist to protect the bourgeois interests. Universal Basic Income is another such measure. Armed with theories of Marx, the bourgeoisie is now even more effective in protecting its own interests.

We just have to hope that they run out of available measures and systemic change happens before we go full on surveillance fascist dystopia.

[Anonymous No.13666020]

>>13665536
marx was a rothschild plant to subvert socialism all along

[Anonymous No.13666119]

>>13663663
Except Communism only exists because he wrote a book about it.

[Anonymous No.13666377]

>>13666119
Socialism/communism precedes Marx. Marx just added a fake veneer of scientific analysis, some quietism, and a whole lot of technology worship.

Marx literally convinces people to wait around until capitalism implodes, which it definitely has to, because Marx said so. It's a psyop to destroy real socialism. An opiate of the masses, if you will....Never EVER change capitalism until it's fully lived through!

[Anonymous No.13666787]

>>13664158
?

[Anonymous No.13667260]

>>13666377

>writes several dozen volumes worth of texts, drafts and letters over the course of his life
>quietism

[Anonymous No.13667283]

>>13665536
This is one of the more historically illiterate posts I've ever had the misfortune of reading

[Anonymous No.13667396]

>>13663720
Yes. If you are a NEET, and don't read it, you are a piece of shit.
If you are an engineer, working 80 hours a week on useful projects, you are excused.

[Anonymous No.13667415]

>>13667283
Nop, it's actually one of the rare based post ITT.
Go on, enlighten us, why is it historically illiterate?

[Anonymous No.13667605]

>>13665536
So how come most revolutionaries have a bourgeois background?

Only like 15% of the names on this list can be said to have proletarian background.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_revolutionaries

Revolutions are in many cases just rich kids playing war.

[Anonymous No.13667618]

>>13667605
I will admit that the numbers are nearer 25% if peasant background is included but peasants are historically a class that has resisted socialism.

[Anonymous No.13667709]

>>13667605
a couple dozen of most recognized members of the party form a small minority compared to the entirety of the revolutionary class

[Anonymous No.13668189]

>>13663663
If he hadn't written it, someone else would have done.

[Anonymous No.13668200]

>>13667605
They don't? Some of them of them do, but revolution is a mass movement. The odd bourgeoisie who betrays his class like Engles doesn't mean that the base of the revolution won't be proletarians. Bourgeoisie as a class aren't just going to fight themselves.

[Anonymous No.13668258]

>>13667605
Ask the commune of Paris (1871). Revolutionary Catalonia (1936-1937), commune of Budapest (1956), may 1968, recently yellow vests, if they have a "bourgeois" background.
Most of the time, a small revolutionary fraction of the bourgeoisie, take advantage of the situation, the chaos created by the working class, and overthrow the existing power. Like what happened in France in 1789, or in Russia in 1918. However, at first, it is mostly the working class who is struggling against the Capitalist class (hidden behind the State).
>>13667709
I thought the peasants in Britain in the 15th century were literally expropriated by the Capital?

[Anonymous No.13668277]

>>13667605
Random clicking:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevno_Azef
Born as Yevno Fishelevich Azef in Lyskava (now Brest Region, Belarus) in 1869 the second of seven children of a poor Jewish tailor.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Karelina
Vera Markovna Markova was born in 1870 and given to the St. Petersburg Foundling Hospital at an early age. For a time, she lived with poor peasants in near Yamburg, and attended the village school, however at the age of fourteen she returned to the orphanage and was assigned to technical work. In 1890, she left the orphanage to work as a weaver in a cotton mill.[
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipp_Mironov
He was born in Ust-Medveditskaya and graduated from Novocherkassk military cadet school.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Maximovich_Petrichenko
Petrichenko was born in 1892 in the village of Nikitenka in Kaluga Governorate to a family of peasants. Two years after his birth, his family moved to Alexandrovsk (Yekaterinoslav Governorate), where Stepan graduated from city school and joined the local ironworks as a metalworker. In 1913 Petrichenko was called up for military service with the Russian navy, where he was assigned to the Russian battleship Petropavlovsk, part of the Baltic Fleet.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissaye_Joseph_Olgin
Moissaye Joseph Olgin was born on March 24, 1878 in Buki, Ukraine (then part of the Russian Empire) to Chaim Aaron Novominsky and Tsipe (Gelman) Novominsky, both of whom were of ethnic Jewish origins.[2] His father worked as a lumber camp employee.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Karakozov
Karakozov was born in the family of a minor nobility in Kostroma. He grew to hate his class because all they did was "suck the peasants' blood." He studied at Kazan University 1861-64 and at Moscow State University 1864-66.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Nechayev
Nechayev was born in Ivanovo, then a small textile town, to poor parents—his father was a waiter and sign painter. His mother died when he was eight. His father remarried and had two more sons. They lived in a three-room house with his two sisters and grandparents. They were ex-serfs who had moved to Ivanovo.

Seems to me, you are wrong and most likely an American.

[Anonymous No.13668428]

>>13667415
I was too once dazzled by it, but I have come to the realisation that communism is just another form of identity politics, an ultimately hollow quasi religious myth or phantasmagoria produced by industrial civilisation and its seemingly unlimited technical promises. Also an heretical offspring of the catholic church by the way of Feuerbach's liberal protestantism and jacobinism. Orthodox marxism has always been an elite clerical religion, in the syncretic practice the masses it was most often mixed with nationalism, the still powerful christian substrate and ironically the mimesis of bourgeoisie values by the proletariat, often imposed and fostered by well meaning marxist social workers. Marxist theology is small, ugly and needs to be kept out of sight, that is why communism lacks by itself any mobilising power, as its vision of man is the mirror image of capital's- a nonentity a being who can be endlessly manipulated and engineered by the technicians of power.

radical leftists are distinguishable from other secular and liberal middle class urbanites only by degree, the only difference is they tend to be more neurotic and strident in their performative cultural radicalism, their hedonism is desperate and even it stinks of false piouness rather than honest debauchery. They are workers, but consumers with a bad conscience, academics, journalists. just below the skin these people feel a tremendous amount of guilt (since they are often of bourgeoisie origin themselves)and a desire for strong moral authority, but they don't know christian redemption, they don't have a concept of sin or self sacrifice, or of the sublime(can't appreciate art except in terms of hollow political categories). They are culturally lumpenised to the extent they can only communicate through memes and american therapeutic social justice type jargonthey talk about their own lives in terms of psychiatric checklists and bureaucratic administrative procedures. Modern leftism functions in fact as the spearhead of consumer culture and americanisation, they care way more about maintaining cultural homogenity than about any real social and economic change even to the extent of defending corporate mass culture.

[Anonymous No.13668432]

>>13668428
right wingers are the real anti imperialists

[Anonymous No.13668564]

>>13668432
Not sure if you're ironic, but that's literally true unless you define rightwingers as American neoliberals.

[Anonymous No.13668590]

>>13668432
Yeah right. With Capital accumulation, wage labor, private ownership of the means of production, delegation of power, exchange value.

>they don't have a concept of sin or self sacrifice,
I don't see how you can be a good christian, and in favor of private ownership of the means of production.
Either you are a Capitalist, and in this case, you are a christian exploiting your fellow brother.
Or you are working class, and in this case, you are a bad christian for not revolting against the exploitation of others. Didn't Jesus chase away the merchants from the temple?

It's contradictory to go to the christian church sunday morning, and monday going back to work, perpetuating this system base on exploitation.

>Modern leftism functions in fact as the spearhead of consumer culture and americanisation
Agree. This is why political philosophies like anarcho-primitivism or anarcho-communism exist.
Anarcho-communism is, in my opinion, the closest philosophy to Karl Marx vision.

[Anonymous No.13668632]

>>13668590
Most leftists are exclusively focused on normalising lgbtsjw trannies and other forms of cultural marxism and seem to have nothing but contempt for ordinary working people and their culture, while siding with corporate social engineers every fucking time

[Anonymous No.13668644]

>>13668590
I'm sure killing priests and declaring state atheism did a lot to help Christians flock to the cause of communism

[Anonymous No.13668652]

>>13663663
Yes, Marx saw the capitalism collapse in the future and thought it was inevitable, but by doing so, he changed the timeline and know we are fucked

[Anonymous No.13668653]

>>13667396
I work 49 hours a week.

[Anonymous No.13668673]

>>13668652
This, the abortive communist revolutions were premature and they simply caused Capital to fortify and renovate itself so as to become invincible

[Anonymous No.13668726]

>>13668590
leftist bugmen are just helping the capitalist elite consolidate its power by eroding social norms, destroying religion, culture and the family unit, and promoting atomising lifestyles. I think they are generally sexual exhibitionists and narcissists, they don't really think things through, given they have replaced all organic culture and tradition with marvel movies meaningles deviant sex and antidepressants, they are obsessed with transgressing the norms of society but at the same time they are incredibly self righteous, in a way, leftism has replaced christianity as the state religion of the west, a pink haired queer on a wheelchair takes the place of christ on the cross.

[Anonymous No.13668731]

>>13668632
And how many of these people have read Marx? If you haven't read Marx, can you be a Marxist? It seem to me that you can't really. It would be like a christian who haven't read the bible. Doesn't make sense really.
>>13668644
I'm fed up with those kind of arguments. Never forgot that modern Capitalism literally exterminated the native american.
As for the bolsheviks (USSR), most Marxist currently are not bolsheviks. There are still some rare bolsheviks (Marxist-leninists), here and there, even here on 4chan, but they are a minority, and we Marxist will be the first to fight them. No more State. No more Vanguard.
>>13668652
If Marx didn't exist, someone else would have written about the same critique of the Capital as him.
>>13668653
They you have some time to read here and there.
>>13668673
Or, it was a gigantic failure, and now we know exactly what should and should not be done. Mustn't be done: a Vanguard party/group, a State, delegation of power, keeping wage labor, keeping exchange value.

[Anonymous No.13668749]

>>13668731
how will you get anything done without a vanguard?

[Anonymous No.13668789]

>>13668731
Yeah, modern Marxists are liberals who larp endlessly on twitter about killing landlords. Revolution aly day now I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.13668825]

>>13668731
>If you haven't read Marx, can you be a Marxist?

it's telling leftist organisations don't care if you read marx but will instantly excommunicate you for questioning transgender dogma or being even mildly cynical about corporate pop culture. I think the right is a better option for people who actually want to build a community and have a future for their children. The communists I have talked to really have nothing beyond the fuck the cops smoke weed mindset that is actually pure capitalism, dig a little and you will find they are confused alternating between inane fantasies of muh ghey space communism and total ecological collapse. All leftists hate themselves and half of them are sexual deviants who just want an excuse for polyamory or whatever, these are people who have given up and lack any sense of responsibility towards themselves others and the future, they just want to feel morally righteous and follow rules regardless of how arbitrary they are, leftism attracts precisely the sort of people who put no effort in self improvement or making themselves agreeable to other people, what they want is to drag others down to their level. Anything that makes them think philosophy culture, any real art is seen as a threat, they will try and tarr it as somehow eurocentric or transphobic or whatever, when really they all are idiotic consumers terminally obsessed with american prolefeed.

[Anonymous No.13668826]

>>13668726
>eroding social norms, destroying religion, culture and the family unit, and promoting atomising lifestyles

Of course this is the doing of people having read Das Kapital, Vol.1, Vol.2, Vol.3. :s :s :s

I'll help you, but you are not ready anyway, so you'll deny.

Eroding social norms: Capital needs a working class based on the lowest common denominator. The workers need to be cheap and efficient units, perfectly interchangeable.
Destroying religion: The Capital enhanced productivity, and submerged people into a lot of new materialistic activities. People don't go to church anymore, they go to the movies, or shopping, or a concert, a sport event etc... This as nothing to do with Marxist, and not even something to do with cultural leftists, or jews.

Family unit: Since WWII, the women are throw massively into the labor market, in order to create extra workers, and put pressure on wages. Supply and demand of the labor market, the owner of the means of production, the Capitalist, employing wage workers, demands labor. He needs to be in a position of strength, by increasing the offer of workers available on the market. Women work, don't have time to take care of the kids, feel (falsely) empowered, earn sometime more than the man, don't need the man in order to life: can live by her own. This is not due to Marxism, but Capitalism, and it's need to put the absolute maximum pressure on the labor market (supply and demand of the labor market).

Atomizing lifestyles: people are more and more wage workers, working from 8 to 18. They don't need their family anymore, because their family will help them for nothing on their work environment. What's more, once they have earned their salary, they prefer to do hedonistic shit instead of spending time with their family. This again, has nothing to do with Karl Marx, a classless society, without exchange value, money, delegation of power, a State,
In all honesty, i believe in Karl Marx vision, because i want a society with better relationships between individuals. Relationships not based on MONEY, but friendship.

[Anonymous No.13668834]

>>13668432
>radical leftists are distinguishable from other secular and liberal middle class urbanites only by degree, the only difference is they tend to be more neurotic and strident in their performative cultural radicalism,

[Anonymous No.13668864]

>>13668826
To this day I haven't met a single marxist who didn't praise the atomisation of society and the breakdown of traditional institutions like marriage and religion. Your words ring hollow.

[Anonymous No.13668890]

>>13667396
>m-muh engineer
I'm an electrician and my brother is an engineer and we both think Ayn Rand is retarded.
communism is retarded too but socialism is the obvious choice over the unfettered corporate rape of America. America has turned into Brazil and that is obviously not a good thing.

[Anonymous No.13668920]

>>13668890
I think a functional socialism will require the expulsion or subjugation of certain elements which are noxious to the social body.

[Anonymous No.13668946]

>>13668864
>atomisation of society and the breakdown of traditional institutions like marriage and religion.
Who does profit from this in the end, cultural leftist, or owners of the means of production?

[Anonymous No.13668947]

>>13668920
>i'm not an undesirable myself tho
sure you aren't. imageboard fascists are a suicide cult

[Anonymous No.13668969]

>>13668947
a fascist in this day and age is just someone who refuses to apologise for being normal. I just think it's about high time for normal people to show the freaks who's in charge

[Anonymous No.13668972]

>>13668864
Then it looks you never met a Marxist. Erosion of social norms and atomization of family is the one of the favorite reasons why so many boomers want the iron curtain back. About religion they don't whine though, for reasons obvious, altough I did heard some belivers say "everything bad came from USA".

[Anonymous No.13668981]

>>13668969
>4channel poster
>normal

[Anonymous No.13669023]

>>13668947
the difference between leftists and fascists is fascists are about self improvement, idealistic young men who seek physical moral and aesthetic perfection and want to refashion the world into a greco roman utopia. The leftists on the other hand seem to worship weakness, disease and abnormality. Fascism is nothing more and nothing less than a revolutionary comittment to live every instant of life to the utmost degree of intensity. If the weak get in the way of fascist brotherhood and intensity then they should be destroyed. If you are our enemy you should come out and fight in the open instead of relying on pussy strategems like guilt or begging for pity.

[Anonymous No.13669053]

>>13669023
Let's be honest there. The difference between leftists and fascists is that the fascists aim their resentment at "certain elements" of the system, while leftists aim it at the system itself.

[Anonymous No.13669100]

>>13669053
the leftist aim their resentment at white people heterosexuals and christians, they are the attack dogs of the system, which is economically capitalist but culturally marxist.

[Anonymous No.13669116]

>>13669100
You are a complete retard. Go back to /pol.
100% sure you haven't read Marx.
You are on a literature board here. So get out please.

[Anonymous No.13669129]

>>13669100
>the leftist aim their resentment at white people heterosexuals
What the fuck are you on, nigger? Most of leftist leaders were "white people heterosexuals".

>economically capitalist but culturally marxist
This gotta be the most retarded thing someone wrote ITT.

[Anonymous No.13669138]

>>13669023
why would I fight you when the system is inevitably going to crush you soon anyway? seems like a rather life denying position to be in.

[Anonymous No.13669159]

>>13669129
>>they are the attack dogs of the system, which is economically capitalist but culturally marxist.
>This gotta be the most retarded thing someone wrote ITT.

Completely. Marx wrote Das Kapital, 2000 pages of caustic critique of the Capitalist mode of production. Ever chapter, you can feel Marx's hatred toward the Capital.
Yet, according to this complete mongoloid, the current Capitalist system is Marxist.

[Anonymous No.13669181]

>>13669023
>If you are our enemy you should come out and fight in the open instead of relying on pussy strategems like guilt or begging for pity.
Then stop "hiding your powerlevel" and leave your basement, mutt.

[Anonymous No.13669200]

>>13668969
> hurf durf let's have a working class revolootion
Revolution always comes from ideas becoming popular amongst the elite. The way we're going to get our reaction is that the current elite ideas are easily mocked.

[Anonymous No.13669222]

>>13669138
I'd rather live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep. Contrast for example leftist groups which are either delusional boomers in a meme party handing out newspapers no one ever reads or mentally ill safespace trannies at SJW U and then see what the vanguard in the right is doing, people like the order of nine angles, and its a whole other level of real. Esoteric Hitlerism is also more interesting in terms of cosmology than marxism or leftism, which shows us a dying planet with no hope and for there which is only guilt and cowardice at the end of the world. On the other side fascists choose defiance, they choose struggle, for even defeat means victory in another world. death or wallhalla!

[Anonymous No.13669248]

>>13669222
>I'd rather live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Then how come you lived two decades as a sheep?

[Anonymous No.13669265]

>>13667415
>why is it historically illiterate?
Because the work day was already being gradually shortened before Marx ever put pen to paper. Child labor was not yet illegal, but factory owners were already providing some rudimentary education. The factory inspectors were overburdened and many workplaces were terribly dangerous, but they were starting to force some change. Parliament had begun passing factory acts and amending the poor laws and unions had begun forming and agitating and striking deals with employers decades before Capital came out in the 1860s.

[Anonymous No.13669280]

>>13665536
>Armed with theories of Marx
They were already doing all of this you fool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_Acts
Marx wasn't even alive when the first Factory Act passed in 1802.

[Anonymous No.13669299]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s05A9IeB2n6R

:3

[Anonymous No.13669305]

>>13669265
This is making wage labor less harsh. Not abolishing it.
It has nothing to do with Capital accumulation and a society based on class separation.

[Anonymous No.13669325]

>>13669305
So? The post was claiming the bourgeoisie learned from Marx that they had to grant concessions to workers to preserve capitalism. I pointed out that they were doing that already.

[Anonymous No.13669360]

>>13669299
Some kind of babbling teenager?

[Anonymous No.13669557]

>>13669360
I'm 27 ya dip

[Anonymous No.13669684]

>>13668590
>I don’t see how...
It’s clear you can’t see much. Communism has always been a front for atheism.

[Anonymous No.13669826]

>>13667605
Many communists lie about their backgrounds to make themselves more proletarian. Also, even if they're from modest backgrounds, they're far more intelligent and psychopathic than their dumber counterparts. This is why so many communist revolutions were successful. The working class is very easy to manipulate and control. Though it helps, you don't have to be rich. You need to be smart, cunning, and merciless.

[Anonymous No.13669861]

>>13668749
That guy haven't read Marx himself. Marx explicitly supported a vanguard to handle the revolution then "giving power back to the people."

[Anonymous No.13669915]

>>13669265
>>13669280
It is not as if Marx was trying to start a wave, merely riding or at least describing one

[Anonymous No.13669962]

>>13668864
Being okay with the change isn’t the same as causing it

[Anonymous No.13670231]

>>13669962
Sure, but why the fuck would I turn to someone who thinks the changes are good in order to fight against it?

[Anonymous No.13670390]

I read it and realised what a fraud Marx is.

[Anonymous No.13670648]

>>13667605
>So how come most revolutionaries have a bourgeois background?
Maybe some revolutionary leaders, because back in the 19th and early 20th century not everyone could afford an education. Hell, not everyone had time gor an education because if you were working class you worked 10+ hours a day just to survive.

It's like asking "If religions are against science, how come most of the early scientists came from clergy?" and answer is that in those times the clergy had a monopoly on education.

[Anonymous No.13670650]

>>13669325
They don't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they do it to protect their class and their interests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/19/lobbying-group-powerful-ceos-is-rethinking-how-it-defines-corporations-purpose/

[Anonymous No.13670671]

>>13669557
Visit endocrinologist to get your testosterone levels checked.

[Anonymous No.13671435]

>>13670231
Because it is something inevitable in capitalism, you are attempting to fight a rising wave instead of riding it. If anything the potential solution lies in socialism, since it eliminates the source of the problem, which is the profit motive.

Also you mentioned that marxists caused these social ills which is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.13671461]

>>13668258
>Yellow vests
Those are reactionary as fuck and have very little sympathy for commies.

[Anonymous No.13671473]

>>13669116
He's talking about leftists, not Marxist. Marx himself despised most leftists and the anon you're talking to is absolutely correct that the moralization in the left is just fueled by resentment.

[Anonymous No.13671481]

>>13671461
Actually the yellow vests purged their reactionary elements and had an assembly resolving to exit capitalism though

[Anonymous No.13671484]

>>13671481
>Purged their reactionary elements while 30% of them voted FN or sympathized with it
Right, right.

[Anonymous No.13671503]

>>13669684
>Communism has always been a front for atheism.
And Capitalism is very, very Christian. You are the typical cuckservative. Going to church Sunday, claiming to be a good christian, Monday morning, firing 25% of your employees in order to make more profit.

[Anonymous No.13671522]

>>13671484
But their goals are already mutually exclusive from FN so what does it matter? Hell the fact that GJ could have such a radical outlook from FN despite having decent chunk of its supporters should speak to its diverse popularity.

[Anonymous No.13671579]

>>13671522
>mutually exclusive from FN
Protectionism, nationalism and economic and social revolt against established liberal parties arent mutually exclusive from FN at all. What do you think the FN stands for anyway?

[Anonymous No.13671589]

>>13669826
In which Marx's book can i find this quote? I think it's a fake quote. And then you accuse Marxists to be dishonnest...


>>13669861
Bullshit. You mix things up with Lenin.
I finished Das Kapital, and there isn't a single line about a Vanguard. The word vanguard isn't found once in the whole book.

>>13671461
Reactionaries who wants referendum based on poplar initiative. That doesn't make any sense.

>>13671484
They don't care about FN. They just vote FN to say fuck you to the system. They are against mass immigration, but they are not fascist, like Mussolini like or Franco like fascists. What's more, they want a referendum based on poplar initiative. This referendum based on poplar initiative is the opposite of fascism.

[Anonymous No.13671594]

>>13671579
>Protectionism, nationalism and economic and social revolt against established liberal parties
Find that for me here https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323

[Anonymous No.13671600]

>>13671579
In any case, FN is not a fascist, or even far right party anymore. FN is more like a traditional republican party. Not that it's better or worse, it just is. In case you were thinking FN is fascist, or even conservative.
Marine LePen was invited as the Diner du Crif. French jewish elite. She is defending the interests of the Synagogue.

[Anonymous No.13671605]

>>13671589
>Reactionaries who wants referendum based on poplar initiative. That doesn't make any sense.
Do you know nothing about reactionaries? You think reactionary = dictatorial? Christ, even the nazis held plebiscites and claimed to derive their legitimacy from a mandate of the people, albeit in a very illiberal way.
>They don't care about FN. They just vote FN to say fuck you to the system.
You just said they were anti-immigration, yet they also dont care about the one major party that is against immigration? How come commies claim to know better than the dirty proles themselves what they really want?

[Anonymous No.13671612]

>>13671594
>assembly of 'the yellow vests'
>5 fucking people who claim to represent a mass movement which is openly hostile to several of their key points
lmao, typical anarkiddies.

[Anonymous No.13671618]

>>13671605
>You just said they were anti-immigration, yet they also dont care about the one major party that is against immigration?
This may shock you, but you can be for or against a certain policy but not with the ideology that advocates said policy.

[Anonymous No.13671625]

>>13671612
>5 members
Now you are weaponizing your ignorance. There was a hall full of representatives from all over France.

[Anonymous No.13671630]

>>13668258
>yellow vest
Oh fuck off, we're not commies. If anything we were treated as facists by the left. Antifa went to our march to fight with us. You know nothing.
it wasn't an exclusively rightist or leftist movement, it was mostly the middle class getting fucked over by taxes and incompetentence and being pissed as a result of this.
Nobody want these fucking ecotaxes when you have to drive to do anything in your shithole.
Sale merde américaine putain. Vous êtes tellement insupportable.

[Anonymous No.13671635]

>>13671605
Fascists don't have the monopoly of anti-immigration.
Many anarcho-communists, like me, are against mass immigration. The biggest motor of mass immigration is Capitalism. But cuckservatives are completely ignorant of this fact, and are doing major cognitive dissonance about this fact.
As for the yellow vest, they can perfectly be anti mass immigration, and not be fascist. Look, you are obsessed with yellow vests being fascist. Have you talked to them? I did. They are people, ordinary people, having difficulties to make ends meets. They are low socio professional category workers. People driving trucks, working security, gardeners... They are not nostalgics of the third Reich like in your fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13671637]

>>13671630
Lmao learn to read, that anon was responding to a post talking about revolutionaries instead of commies. Most of the GJ’s talking points are pretty commie

[Anonymous No.13671639]

>>13668258
>>13671630
Also Mai 68 was 100% rich white college kids lmao what are you smoking fag. And its figurehead was a pedophile, Daniel Cohn-Bendit now a media guy and his pedophilia is overlooked while everyone of the people hate him.
These 68tard were no prolétaires craving for justice or equality. all of the important members became rich and part of the system.

[Anonymous No.13671646]

>>13671637
if anything our right would be leftist by Americans standard.

[Anonymous No.13671649]

>>13671630
C'est exactement ce que j'ai dit. En fait t'as pas encore compris qui est l'ennemi. Et tu n'as pas encore compris que les Antifas ne sont pas des Marxist radicaux, qu'il n'ont pas lu Marx. Marx, c'est pas la gauche bobo, antifa, LGBT. Rien à voir.
A propos du mouvement des gilet jaunes, non, ils ne sont pas communistes, et ne se revendiquent pas comme communistes. Mais leur essence est celle de la lutte des classes. Je répète, leur essence est celle de la lutte des classes. Leur vrai ennemi n'est pas Macron, les médias, la classe politique, mais le Capital. Et ça ils ne l'ont pas encore compris. Mais ça va venir.
Regarde les videos de Francis Cousin sur MetaTv. C'est grâce à ça que j'ai compris.

[Anonymous No.13671652]

>>13671639
Weren’t there workers involved with strikes and shit?

[Anonymous No.13671661]

>>13671639
You were manipulated by the medias. There was two mai 1968. One bourgeois mai 1968, with rich kids from the universties. The youth of the rich people.
The other part of mai 1968 was, in face, june 1968. 10 fucking millions of factory workers, stopping to work. 10 millions. This is the real mai 1968. Not the Cohn Bendit shit. The medias never talk about the 10 millions strikers from june 1968. They always talk about the students.

[Anonymous No.13671690]

>>13671649
dans ce cas je regarderai, si je me suis trompé qu'il en soit ainsi. Merci anon.
>>13671652
We have strike all the time, it's not that original.

[Anonymous No.13671704]

>>13671690
>We have strike all the time, it's not that original.
June 1968 is not a simple strike. It's was a gigantic strike, which threatened the whole system. Mass immigration was organized just after June 1968. You know why? In order to crush those strikes, with workers imported from elsewhere. Mass immigration was organized in the begining of the 1970s, in order to replace the french worker, who had a tradition of class struggle. With millions of north africans completely ignorant of class struggle imported, the Capitalist elite had their best weapons against french proletariat, and class struggle culture. 50 years later, we can see the results. It perfectly worked. Arab muslims don't do strikes, are weren't part of the yellow vest movement.

[Anonymous No.13671715]

Marx was a clueless champagne socialist just like all retards today who idolise him

[Anonymous No.13671722]

>>13671435
I never said that Marxists caused shit except maybe in the USSR by some stretch, but they do support the devastation capitalism has wrought and show no desire to help med society.

[Anonymous No.13672489]

>>13671639
>Daniel Cohn-Bendit
hmm i wonder what the ethnic origin of that name is

[Anonymous No.13672498]

>>13671704
>With millions of north africans completely ignorant of class struggle
yeah dude just explain to monkeys the labor theory of value and they will become socialists