>2019 Hugo Award Winners https://www.tor.com/2019/08/18/announcing-the-2019-hugo-award-winners/

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Anonymous Sun Aug 18 21:56:51 2019 No.13662824 [Reply] [Original]

>2019 Hugo Award Winners

https://www.tor.com/2019/08/18/announcing-the-2019-hugo-award-winners/

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:01:03 2019 No.13662833 >5 girls and a Chinese man when are white guys going to get their act together?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:01:19 2019 No.13662834 >women

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:01:56 2019 No.13662837 >>13662833 Its like they totally forgot how to write good science fiction 5 years ago. What happened to them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:03:25 2019 No.13662841 >>13662824 Who dis?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:27:27 2019 No.13662952 File: 207 KB, 1079x1327, reflect_bce2e7f8-a9b2-45f6-b36f-f2d76f358e78.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13662824

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:30:52 2019 No.13662972 >>13662837 We're making a comeback, don't count us out just yet!

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:31:43 2019 No.13662976 Very progressive and very cool. We're correcting the injustices of history here, people!

Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:48:37 2019 No.13663044

It is obvious what they are doing, but it doesn't really matter. The awards are unimportant. They don't reflect sales, and they certainly don't reflect the quality or longevity of a work. They never really did. You can look at the list of winners and nominees going back to the beginning and for the most part, with some exceptions, they are forgotten works.

One year is too short an interval for the production of works of real quality, as those tend to come on their own time anyway. It is an industry that exists for no reason other than people wanking off their own egos. Same as the Oscars and any other annual award.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:53:41 2019 No.13663059 >>13663044 They don't take one year to make. They just publish them that year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:56:00 2019 No.13663069 >seething stale pale males there's more than enough to last you a lifetime from when your kind was systemically overvalued

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:57:56 2019 No.13663078 >>13662824 who even cares about these awards? lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 22:59:19 2019 No.13663082 >>13663044 name 5 books that deserved it instead

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:00:00 2019 No.13663084 >>13663059 Publish then. Not the point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:01:16 2019 No.13663094 >>13663082 No way! My point was the dearth of quality. Good luck finding one from the last decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:02:58 2019 No.13663106 >>13662833 I'm on it, just fucking takes a while to write a book next to studying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:04:20 2019 No.13663111 >>13663082 The only people that think the arts didn't nosedive in the last 10 years are plebs and children who are too young to know any better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:04:30 2019 No.13663112 >>13663084 What's the point you're trying to make?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:07:55 2019 No.13663130 >2015: The Three-Body Problem >1990: Hyperion Literally the only two "best novel" winners worth reading from the past 30 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:08:33 2019 No.13663134 >>13663111 they nosedived because academics are saturated with social media and smartphones all it takes is for one lonely incel to rise up and apply himself

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:09:05 2019 No.13663135 >>13663130 but we have to make sure niggers and women have their representation even if what they write is subpar and mediocre

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:10:24 2019 No.13663143 >>13663135 I'm saying that the award was shit long before they made it the "Negress who managed to string a sentence together" award.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:19:07 2019 No.13663200 >>13663078 This. Let them fade into the obscurity they deserve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:20:22 2019 No.13663206 >Hugo Award literally who ? "Oh yeah I'm very proud of my HUGO award" - no one ever

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:21:24 2019 No.13663219 >>13663206 literally the Oscars for /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:21:40 2019 No.13663221 File: 196 KB, 1131x1164, Mary.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everyone is a minority in some way or another. Will she really be able to write it all in?

Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:25:03 2019 No.13663238

I'm working on a short story; it contains:
>crazy criminal white man
>sassy petite white woman
>black teenage girl
>mexican teenage boy
>older white man (partner of sassy petite white woman)
>older back man (partner of older white man, he turns out to be gay and fucking a back guy)

is this pleasing to the masses? they were all white a couple minutes ago

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:28:31 2019 No.13663251 >>13663238 sounds kinda gay ngl

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:30:58 2019 No.13663268 File: 13 KB, 454x520, 1563845250412.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >science fiction >fantasy

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:31:30 2019 No.13663272 >>13663251 so big mistake there >(partner of older white man, he turns out to be gay and fucking a back guy) I meant partner of sassy petite white woman

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:32:14 2019 No.13663277 File: 230 KB, 1080x1211, Screenshot_20190818-013859-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13662833 >>13662824 Congrats to all the Authorettes!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:36:40 2019 No.13663303 >>13663272 >heterosexual sex that's even gayer. how about no sex?

Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:48:12 2019 No.13663349
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Best Novel: The Calculating Stars, by Mary Robinette Kowal
>On a cold spring night in 1952, a huge meteorite fell to earth and obliterated much of the east coast of the United States, including Washington D.C. The ensuing climate cataclysm will soon render the earth inhospitable for humanity, as the last such meteorite did for the dinosaurs. This looming threat calls for a radically accelerated effort to colonize space, and requires a much larger share of humanity to take part in the process.
>Elma York’s experience as a WASP pilot and mathematician earns her a place in the International Aerospace Coalition’s attempts to put man on the moon, as a calculator. But with so many skilled and experienced women pilots and scientists involved with the program, it doesn’t take long before Elma begins to wonder why they can’t go into space, too.
>Elma’s drive to become the first Lady Astronaut is so strong that even the most dearly held conventions of society may not stand a chance against her.

Best Novella: Artificial Condition, by Martha Wells
>It has a dark past – one in which a number of humans were killed. A past that caused it to christen itself “Murderbot”. But it has only vague memories of the massacre that spawned that title, and it wants to know more.
>Teaming up with a Research Transport vessel named ART (you don’t want to know what the “A” stands for), Murderbot heads to the mining facility where it went rogue.
>What it discovers will forever change the way it thinks…

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:50:22 2019 No.13663364 >>13663349 they sound dull and unimaginative. is this the power of American fiction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:51:05 2019 No.13663370 File: 372 KB, 854x859, 1441073522733.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13663349 these can't be real

Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:55:36 2019 No.13663393
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This is the Asian-American's book trilogy, has anybody read this?
>The first installment of the trilogy, Ninefox Gambit, centers on disgraced captain Kel Cheris, who must recapture the formidable Fortress of Scattered Needles in order to redeem herself in front of the Hexarchate.

>To win an impossible war Captain Kel Cheris must awaken an ancient weapon and a despised traitor general.

>Captain Kel Cheris of the hexarchate is disgraced for using unconventional methods in a battle against heretics. Kel Command gives her the opportunity to redeem herself by retaking the Fortress of Scattered Needles, a star fortress that has recently been captured by heretics. Cheris’s career isn’t the only thing at stake. If the fortress falls, the hexarchate itself might be next.

>Cheris’s best hope is to ally with the undead tactician Shuos Jedao. The good news is that Jedao has never lost a battle, and he may be the only one who can figure out how to successfully besiege the fortress.

>The bad news is that Jedao went mad in his first life and massacred two armies, one of them his own. As the siege wears on, Cheris must decide how far she can trust Jedao–because she might be his next victim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:56:53 2019 No.13663396 >>13663364 >>13663370 THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER OUT THERE. you just don't fucking get it, you stay comfy behind your backlog on goodreads but you don't seem to realize that we're in a major new lit/fiction release drought

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 18 23:59:57 2019 No.13663413 >>13663396 Don't give the prize then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:08:06 2019 No.13663449 >>13663396 You call it a drought, but science fiction might be gone for good. It might be dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:08:36 2019 No.13663452 File: 838 KB, 1674x2048, Screenshot_20190819-000720.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's your best novel bro.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:12:02 2019 No.13663465

>>13663364
The Americans have too much money thanks to the fractional reserve banking and the petrodollar as world currency.
In the rest of the world, only nepotism or real talent will send a book to the print; in the USA, you just need to hit the right buttons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:14:27 2019 No.13663478 >>13663452 She writes about sex like GRRM writes about food.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:23:00 2019 No.13663515 >>13663449 Let it die, it'll come back eventually.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:45:04 2019 No.13663589

>>13663349
As I was reading, I kept expecting the catch, and I wasn't dissapointed.
>meteor striking earth
Okay. Is there a new spin on it?
>we have to go to space to survive!
Not very interesting, but all right.
>attempts to put a man on the moon
Hmm..
>doesn't take long before Elma begins to wonder why they can't go into space, too
And there it is.
>the first Lady Astronaut
It's all so tiresome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:51:03 2019 No.13663617 >>13663452 Embarrassing. She should apologize to the entire planet Earth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:53:23 2019 No.13663621 >>13663452 This is the kind of garbage that makes me think that perhaps American English was indeed a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 00:54:05 2019 No.13663622 >>13662824 >“The Rose MacGregor Drinking and Admiration Society,” by T. Kingfisher (Uncanny Magazine 25, November-December 2018) sounds like a good one!

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:00:08 2019 No.13663646

>>13662824
It's getting harder and harder for me to find scifi/fantasy that I thoroughly enjoy. Tried getting into 3x Hugo winner Jemisin's "The Fifth Season", just wasn't for me. Same for most fantasy these days. Sanderson is probably rightfully praised, and his books are a fun little read, but nothing that gets under your skin. I'll probably go back reading Horus Heresy books if this shit keeps going. Haven't read Three Body Problem yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:02:08 2019 No.13663654 >>13663393 Vaguely science-themed fantasy written in overwrought prose -- a discount Terra Ignota

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:11:14 2019 No.13663686 >>13663452 Reads like something a grandmother would write.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:14:03 2019 No.13663697
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>every day you have to watch another 10 examples of self-deluded creepy self-congratulating hyperconformist self-backpatting normies pretending their racemixing fetish is a real worldview and clapping for obvious mediocrity and weird shit like drag queens molesting kids and going "no it's normal i love it it's great i'd never criticize this i love everything that everyone else loves because i'm popular" and then tranny gets a medal for World's Best Coder even though it never programmed anything and everyone gets mad at you for being confused and it's one big insanity party and you aren't invited and you try to play a video game to escape from it and they tell you they bought the studio that makes the game you liked from 20 years ago when you were a kid and there weren't any trannies and now they put trannies in the new game and someone's making a youtube video clapping and saying they love the trannies in the game and you go to the store to buy some food and a chinaman's wife is shitting in the street outside and nobody seems weirded out by this but you and a nigger spits on the supermarket floor and steals something and the security guard is a 5'1" bald woman with purple lipstick who doesn't stop the thief but just calls the police lazily and seems annoyed at having to do her job and the police show up 11 minutes later and they're both 4'9" fat hispanic women who seem not to care that a crime took place and you leave the store and blacks are screaming and fighting and you go home and watch a youtube video of a man playing a video game from 1999 really fast faster than anybody else and it turns out the chatroom community centered around playing game fast is filled with neonazis and a transvestite who went to yale blogs about it and you watch a youtube video talking about the blogpost and then it's monday and you have to go back to work at the comcast store

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:43:11 2019 No.13663786 >>13663082 the fact that an award is mandatory every year is the problem. there should be an option to award nothing. some years even the best work is mediocre in the long run. how many times have you watched shakespeare in love lately?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:56:03 2019 No.13663835 >>13663786 No award is an option and has won before

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 01:58:37 2019 No.13663840 >>13663835 Give it another prize then.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:03:58 2019 No.13663859

Best Series: Wayfarers, by Becky Chambers

>Follow a motley crew on an exciting journey through space—and one adventurous young explorer who discovers the meaning of family in the far reaches of the universe—in this light-hearted debut space opera from a rising sci-fi star.
>Rosemary Harper doesn’t expect much when she joins the crew of the aging Wayfarer. While the patched-up ship has seen better days, it offers her a bed, a chance to explore the far-off corners of the galaxy, and most importantly, some distance from her past. An introspective young woman who learned early to keep to herself, she’s never met anyone remotely like the ship’s diverse crew, including Sissix, the exotic reptilian pilot, chatty engineers Kizzy and Jenks who keep the ship running, and Ashby, their noble captain.
>Life aboard the Wayfarer is chaotic and crazy—exactly what Rosemary wants. It’s also about to get extremely dangerous when the crew is offered the job of a lifetime. Tunneling wormholes through space to a distant planet is definitely lucrative and will keep them comfortable for years. But risking her life wasn’t part of the plan. In the far reaches of deep space, the tiny Wayfarer crew will confront a host of unexpected mishaps and thrilling adventures that force them to depend on each other. To survive, Rosemary’s got to learn how to rely on this assortment of oddballs—an experience that teaches her about love and trust, and that having a family isn’t necessarily the worst thing in the universe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:28:27 2019 No.13663937 >>13662824 Isn't anyone going to push back against this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:29:07 2019 No.13663940 >>13663452 i literally do not need to have sex but this is just poor

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:35:51 2019 No.13663953

>>13663937
>In 2015, two groups of science fiction writers, the "Sad Puppies" led by Brad R. Torgersen and Larry Correia, and the "Rabid Puppies" led by Vox Day, each put forward a similar slate of suggested nominations which came to dominate the ballot.[48][49] The Sad Puppies campaign had run for two years prior on a smaller scale, with limited success. The leaders of the campaigns characterized them as a reaction to "niche, academic, overtly [leftist]" nominees and the Hugo becoming "an affirmative action award" that preferred female and non-white authors and characters.[48][50] In response, five nominees declined their nomination before and, for the first time, two after the ballot was published.[51][52] Multiple-Hugo-winner Connie Willis declined to present the awards.[53] The slates were characterized by The Guardian as a "right wing",[48] "orchestrated backlash"[54] and by The A.V. Club as a "group of white guys",[55] and were linked with the Gamergate controversy.[49][56][57] Multiple Hugo winner Samuel R. Delany characterized the campaigns as a response to "socio-economic" changes such as minority authors gaining prominence and thus "economic heft".[58] In all but the Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form category, "no award" placed above all nominees that were on either slate, and it won all five categories that only contained slate nominees.[51]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award#Since_2000

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:39:48 2019 No.13663961 >>13663953 tl;dr people pushed a slate of non-progressive authors, and every category that they dominated was voted as "no award" so that none of them could win

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 02:56:31 2019 No.13663997 >>13663396 something something interpassivity. I'm not kidding, this is a good place to start a cultural critique. I'm giving this idea away because I'm not gonna write it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:04:14 2019 No.13664013 >>13663452 Is women's obsession about sex not a meme after all?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:06:02 2019 No.13664015 >>13663859 Isn't this Guardians of the Galaxy? How did this win an award? Should I be writing a thinly veiled ripoff of Infinity War?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:09:23 2019 No.13664025 >>13663349 >>It has a dark past – one in which a number of humans were killed. A past that caused it to christen itself “Murderbot”

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:09:42 2019 No.13664026 >>13662824 Who are these people? I haven't heard of a single one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:16:36 2019 No.13664042 >>13664013 >asking this hab segs

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:18:20 2019 No.13664048 >>13663452 jesus christ what a horrible unfocused, tonally confused mess of a first page. if this is what literature has become I might as well go back to watching anime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:21:49 2019 No.13664059 >>13664048 One of the biggest flaws in our society is that those who shouldn't are given every encouragement to do so, and those that should are convinced not to do so before they even begin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 03:31:49 2019 No.13664086 >>13663349 >Earth is becoming inhospitable so we have to move to the equally inhospitable Mars This is a legitimately retarded premise

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 04:20:02 2019 No.13664216

>>13664086
when has propaganda ever been concerned with logical coherence? the premise doesn't need to be plausible to serve as a thinly-veiled excuse for a story about female empowerment/overcoming stereotypes and proving that "women can do it too (and probably better because they are more emotionally regulated and social or something)".

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 04:50:34 2019 No.13664288 >>13663646 I am coming to terms with the dismal notion that Sanderson might be the best of this generation, and I am a Sanderson-hater. At least he tries, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 04:51:03 2019 No.13664289 >>13662837 >>13662833 Are you two serious? The judges of these things are pozzed as fuck. They actively ignore any story if they know it's by a white guy unless he's ultra-famous in the literary world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:07:39 2019 No.13664337 >>13664086 Fantasy is built on a mountain of retarded premises.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:12:22 2019 No.13664356 >>13664337 such as?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:14:07 2019 No.13664364 >>13664356 Pick any fiction with fantastical elements in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:15:01 2019 No.13664369 >>13664364 good job hiding behind vague generalities to poorly conceal the fact that your argument doesn't hold up, faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:19:03 2019 No.13664386 >>13664369 Oh, you were serious? Should I list every fiction I've read here? Why would I waste time with a pleb who can't even manage to follow simple rules for forming sentences?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 05:36:26 2019 No.13664470 True Chads don't read -- they just write.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:03:56 2019 No.13664563

>>13663452
How did Hugos came from clarke, asimov, heinlein, bester, zelazny, ellison, gibson, simmons,... to this? Yeah they weren't literary giants, but at least their works where somewhat entertaining and original. Unlike this derivative trash. Do woman really need to start first paragraph of the novel with sex?

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:04:04 2019 No.13664565

>awards decided by popular vote
Horrible idea tbph. Might as well give the prize to the best-selling book. In fact that would be more accurate since people would have to demonstrate -some- level of commitment to it.

I did however enjoy that one author saying 'please stop voting for me, I didn't actually publish a book this year'

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:10:45 2019 No.13664589 >>13664563 More people subscribed to literary magazines that published snippets and short stories. Now it's some idiot in publishing hoping you're the next Harry Potter that gate keeps, not the readers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:11:20 2019 No.13664591 I think Hugo is the one that gave a fanfiction site an award a few years ago. All these types of awards are really bad because they're run by leftists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:17:16 2019 No.13664602 >>13663130 Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell is pretty good

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:24:48 2019 No.13664623 >>13663697 Wtf I love burgerpunk now

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:29:38 2019 No.13664638 only further proof that sci-fi/fantasy is not real literature. should be banned from this board desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:31:41 2019 No.13664643 File: 26 KB, 713x611, 1565976016897.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13664025 literature is really going down the shitter huh

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:38:20 2019 No.13664662 >>13664638 Gravity's Rainbow and Infinite Jest are both sci-fi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:41:53 2019 No.13664671 >>13662834 That's "womyn", you misogynist fuck!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 06:49:45 2019 No.13664703 >>13663953 >Samuel R. Delany characterized the campaigns as a response to "socio-economic" changes such as minority authors gaining prominence and thus "economic heft". Wow, this boomer pervo pedophile actually thinks you can make money from writing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 07:10:19 2019 No.13664755 >>13664703 Dude's a writer, he should probably know

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 07:32:37 2019 No.13664831 >>13663396 Gene Wolfe has dead, and so has this genre.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 07:39:47 2019 No.13664870

>>13663396
There probably is good stuff out there but it isn't being published or publicized because the people writing them are the wrong gender and race or maybe it touches on the wrong topics. It just doesn't seem reasonable to believe that human beings have forgotten how to write good science fiction and fantasy.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 07:42:34 2019 No.13664886
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>>13663396
When I was at college about 10 years ago, I roomed with a guy for 6 months who was in the film department that also wanted to be a director and publish some novels. At the time, he had written, re-written and edited the first novel in what would be a series that he described to me one night. I don't remember much about it anymore, but it was a hard sci-fi series and he took some inspiration from Star Wars (which he was a major fan of) and I remember feeling that it sounded interesting and at least somewhat original.

Although he never actually got the sci-fi novel series published, at least not yet, he did publish a novel in 2016 called The Lines of Union. I've never read it, though.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0997776323/

His IMDB profile:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3697651/

He also reads Joyce, so that's something else /lit/ related:
https://twitter.com/fitzfilmmaker/status/1102742761743237120

I even took a few selfies with him the day he moved out, wanting to prove that I knew and roomed with him if he ever made it big, which at least at the moment, seems to be happening for him, so I'm happy that he was able to go on to bigger and better things.

Pic related is a photo of him and a girl he was in love with a few years before that he had kept on his desk. The girl died in an accident a few years before I met him, and he told me about the whole thing one night about a week or two before he moved out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 09:19:25 2019 No.13665348 >>13664870 Omnipresent distraction and pleasure have, in fact, lowered the height of human individual achievement.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 09:44:12 2019 No.13665448
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>>13664563
They became inconsequential, they don't even receive 2000 ballots any more, people aren't even aware at how amateurish the entire event is because so few people are paying it any attention.

They're hilariously entertaining though, the people attending and staff didn't recognize any of the award winners and were constantly asked "Who are you?".

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 09:52:24 2019 No.13665490

>This year's controversy wasn't the awards itself, but the "loser's party" held afterwards. Apparently, the venue let in people that weren't even nominated at the awards, let alone losers, and they reached capacity before any of the actual nominees showed up. They were turned away, and by that time, pretty much every restaurant was closed.

OHNONONO. The losers are starting to talk to each other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 09:54:47 2019 No.13665505 >>13665448 They fancy themselves a vanguard, but almost all of the winners will have been forgotten in two or three years. Whatever it is they're doing, they aren't identifying classics.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 09:59:38 2019 No.13665529 >>13662833 >Chinese man >man Hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 10:00:59 2019 No.13665538 >>13665505 >but almost all of the winners will have been forgotten in two or three years They aren't even known now, they're posters on /lit/ with more recognition than some of the winners.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 10:04:23 2019 No.13665559 >>13663452 >Das rite! we had sex >:) dont hit on me u silly bois

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 10:22:40 2019 No.13665660 Spare xus xour lamentations, white m*n. Xour field xis ourx now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 10:22:42 2019 No.13665661 >>13663143 Exactly. The whole affirmative action thing is nothing but another shit in this shitshow.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 10:26:46 2019 No.13665682

>>13664886
>Pic related is a photo of him and a girl he was in love with a few years before that he had kept on his desk. The girl died in an accident a few years before I met him, and he told me about the whole thing one night about a week or two before he moved out.

She's like a 6.5/10. Need to see more boobs.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:02:26 2019 No.13665848
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>The Howard Philips Lovecraft Award for Outstanding Achievement in Anglo-American Speculative Fiction was first awarded in 2020.[2] The award is restricted to English-speaking native-born American science fiction, fantasy, and horror writers of purely English heritage proven as far back as the 1800s. (Irish or Scottish heritage is a disqualifying factor, although nominees with limited Welsh ancestry are accepted.)[3] The award was founded as a response to political controversies surrounding the Hugo and Nebula awards over previous years, and the award statuette is modeled after the discontinued World Fantasy Award, which had been replaced in 2016 over concerns for Lovecraft's racist beliefs. The first Lovecraft Award was given to Stephen King on August 15th, 2020 for his 2019 novel The Institute. Starting in 2021, only works which use British spelling (outside of dialect dialogue) will be considered, and a stipulation of having at least one ancestor on the Mayflower is expected to be implemented by 2022. An honorary lifetime achievement award of a black tomcat statuette, the Black Cat Lifetime Achievement Award for Outstanding Contributions to American Speculative Fiction in English, nicknamed "the Niggerman,"[4] is also issued to individuals who have produced an excellent corpus of genre fiction in American English, but do not meet the English heritage criteria of the main award. The first annual winner of the Niggerman is noted fantasy author George R. R. Martin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:06:44 2019 No.13665875 >>13663349 What does the A stand for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:08:02 2019 No.13665884 File: 64 KB, 581x753, DQN4GayVAAUS5tJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13663349 >A past that caused it to christen itself “Murderbot”. What?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:41:21 2019 No.13666089 >>13662824 Hah, and people will laugh at you if you dare to say that maybe, just maybe, white males are discriminated against.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:44:56 2019 No.13666107 >>13663206 You win an award like this, put it on your resume and use that to open other doors. I gave a talk in Oxford once, put that shit prominently on my resume, and every CFP I've replied to since (that isn't blind) has accepted my work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:45:58 2019 No.13666113 >>13663221 She just means more brown people, or, more accurately, less white people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:48:02 2019 No.13666122 >>13663349 Is this satire?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:52:09 2019 No.13666151 I'm surprised there isn't more global warming fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:56:57 2019 No.13666179 >>13666151 It's being written right now, give it some time to get published etc.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:58:07 2019 No.13666189
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>>13663349
>>13666122
>>13664086
Lol, you guys think the blurb is bad read a review for The Calculating stars.
I see what she was trying to do, I really do, but I can't shake the feeling that MRK has tried to squeeze too many issues into one book.

>Let’s count. Main PoV character, Elma, is discriminated against because she is a woman. Also, people don't understand her Jewish heritage. She has mental health problems. Many of her friends experience racial discrimination. The public at large don't believe the global warming predictions which are driving the space race she is involved in.

And yeah, pick related is really the cover of the book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 11:58:36 2019 No.13666192 >>13666151 It's all fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:01:22 2019 No.13666207 >>13666192 i'm only going to say it once it's the most important thing you're ever going to do in your life, here on earth... WAKE THE FUCK UP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:02:24 2019 No.13666217 >>13666189 Dear Lord

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:12:15 2019 No.13666264 >>13666151 There's a distinct lack of pro-choice fiction as well. The effeminate men who run this award are slipping.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:15:51 2019 No.13666279
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>>13665490
Hugo winner Mary Robinette Kowal at the losers party
@MaryRobinette
·
The Hugo Loser's party: A metaphor for privilege.

Traditionally, there's a party for finalists who didn't get to take a rocket home. This year, the venue was too small and a bus of finalists, their +1s, and acceptors were turned away.

You'll note that I'm there. Now, I could say that it's not my fault. I came at the end after the party had cleared out.

It's not my fault the fire marshall enforced rules about size earlier.

Not my fault too many invitations got handed out.

This is what privilege looks like.

It's not my fault that the venue was too small.

It's not my fault that some people got there earlier than others.

Privilege is rarely the fault of the people who benefit.

I have no idea how to make reparations for this, but I am deeply, deeply sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:16:39 2019 No.13666282 >>13666207 5 more minutes mom

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:21:46 2019 No.13666307 File: 177 KB, 675x1200, ECUVgxDW4AEXgAb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Scary stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:28:59 2019 No.13666333 >>13666307 When I read that first sentence I was hoping she would say something about her being a woman, and in this climate therefore, being much more likely to win an award to the detriment of white males. Alas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:30:35 2019 No.13666337 >>13666307 >>13666279 I am firmly convinced that progressivism is a legitimate textbook mental illness. These people are made miserable by their ideas. It makes their own existence a source of distress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:32:51 2019 No.13666341 >>13666307 >empires have troubled human civilization What the fuck do these people think civilization is?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:42:02 2019 No.13666375 all they need is some fucking dynamite, like seriously just write a book that has some passion and real emotional stakes and you'll be getting your dick sucked

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 12:45:01 2019 No.13666384 >>13665848 Nice pasta.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:18:27 2019 No.13666553 File: 101 KB, 768x1024, ECU_a7hWwAAv07H.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when your shefriend lets you hold her hugo

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:24:24 2019 No.13666588 >>13662824 Are there any literary awards (or awards in general) that aren't simply participation trophies for "minorities"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:26:33 2019 No.13666598 >>13666588 The Nobel arguably, but it's still a shitfest for different reasons. The Man Booker because it has MAN in the name.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:36:40 2019 No.13666659 >>13666553 >these are the people that call physiognomy a psuedo-science

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:49:10 2019 No.13666725

>>13666588
If you want to consider the quality of the nominees:
Cervantes and Akutagawa are the best.
Prix Goncourt is good too, but with a few cracks here and there.
Nobel plays safe and likes to avoid controversies, but it's too safe for its own good.
Everything else is pure shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 13:52:13 2019 No.13666742 >>13666659 That man would look like Spengler's little brother if he closed his mouth. Make of that what you will. >>13666725 Goncourt has been falling like a that plane who was hit by an ukrainian rocket I'm afraid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:03:24 2019 No.13666795 >>13662837 >forgot how to write good science fiction More like agents began send automatic rejections to all white males.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:04:42 2019 No.13666801 >>13663082 >implying deserving books even get published these days

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:09:18 2019 No.13666823 >>13666801 OOooff

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:10:20 2019 No.13666831

guys, nevermind white, are just not writing novels
working writing men with some craftsmanship merit to their names, are more comfortable in hollywood, netflix or the stage

if you look at visual media writers you'll see a large portion of them are, in fact, white men

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:29:06 2019 No.13666917 >>13663349 >Lady Astronaut >Author can't tell 1950s from 1890s when it comes to gender norms

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:32:56 2019 No.13666937

>>13663396
>>13663449
>>13663452
Go onto agents' twatter to see what they are looking for
>we want PoC
>we want trans
>we want topics where muslims or women or blacks are perpetual victims
>we want gay romances
>we want high concept easy to sell gimmicks like Abe Lincoln and Vampires.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:36:38 2019 No.13666962 >>13666937 I know an artist who is constantly "signal boosting" (if that's the term) calls from companies like Netflix saying shit like "We're looking for Zambian writers and artists!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:39:06 2019 No.13666977 >>13663859 God just kill women already >>13663143 All awards are political capital now, credibility can officially be considered unimportant if it ever was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:39:26 2019 No.13666978 >>13664059 This. Public education was a mistake.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:39:32 2019 No.13666979

>>13666937
of course, it's easy to sell, nor matter how lazy of a story, the cutout characters or the writing is, people will eat it up and it will get free publicity for the virtue points

when an author comes along that has a real passion for the craft, isn't constantly trying to flex his grand intelligence on every page and has a keen eye for emotional storytelling and can relate the common people, it will be noticed

that person literally doesn't exist in the current year, not yet anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:44:13 2019 No.13667002 >>13666189 I wish Hillary had won because then we might be getting less of the same boilerplate, revenge fantasy Gurl Power tripe infesting every corner of mass media and that everyone pretends is brave and radical

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:46:27 2019 No.13667011 How, in the genre of science fiction, is every best sci-fi finalist a woman? That doesn't even make sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:47:08 2019 No.13667017 >>13666279 What an absolute cunt.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:47:23 2019 No.13667018

>>13666831
This also this is funny because minority people and women are breaking into classic sf pretty much at the moment classic sf is becoming irrelevant. Looking at how the flow of well-paid white men changes over time is a good way to predict what kind of career will be important in the short and not-so-short term.

Like how nurses started being better paid and revalorised when they started to hir emore male nurses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:48:46 2019 No.13667026 >>13666337 She knows she lacks real writing talent. But she assumes it's because she is white and went to a good school not because she's a useful Idiot for corporate lefties.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:49:44 2019 No.13667030 >>13667011 What are some good recent sci-fi books written by men? Genuinely curious. I can only think of Exhalation by Ted Chiang

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:51:52 2019 No.13667042 >>13663452 I took two creative writing classes at community college. This is level of quality of the writing in that class plus an editor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:52:14 2019 No.13667046 >>13667030 I can't think of one. Of course, there aren't any by women, either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:52:22 2019 No.13667049 >>13667030 >written by >published

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:54:14 2019 No.13667055 >>13667017 >Spiteful chiding with an air of moral superiority Imagine exposing yourself to this for more than a passing moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 14:58:22 2019 No.13667075 >>13667030 I see Alastair Reynolds mentioned a lot.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:04:27 2019 No.13667124

>>13663349
You could actually make a neat story out of the premise.
>in ww2 america starts a top secret experiment with female combat pilots in an attempt to make smaller, lighter, more agile dogfighters
>Elma is one of the best and is sent in an experimental fighter to the pacific front near the end of the war
>she actually manages to get a kill but for some plot reason the fighter itself is found to be unviable
>the war ends and she goes back to her normal life as a mathematician
>gets involved in a project that seeks to create a nuclear powered aircraft
>meteorite
>gets work in the space coalition
>spends the rest of the book fighting her hardest to be allowed in to space
>final twist is she is too valuable to send to space because the meteorite was not a random accident but an act of aggression by aliens/moon nazis/space itself
Or
>due to some biological difference any woman sent into space will die and they're scrambling to find a solution because no women =no humanity but they can't really make that public knowledge or mass panic would ensue
Or even
>there is no space colonization program, all footage of ships leaving the atmosphere has been faked to keep citizen morale up since every attempt at a space craft has exploded

Basically anything that doesn't make the leaders of humanity's only hope seem like childish, vindictive, retards just because "men bad". Look at any example of a fate of the world story, the leader is never acting out of petty spite (and in fact they're usually the ones who employ unorthodox or culturally disagreeable tactics) but out of necessity because they've got a bigger fish to fry than some persons feelings.
Like Gendo in Evangelion, the High Priest in Equilibrium, the army guy in Enders Game, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:08:35 2019 No.13667159 >>13663452 I would prefer it if modern SF/F authors go back to ripping off Tolkien and Le Guin. This overly twee "witty" writing style that all these genre books use now is just so atrocious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:13:16 2019 No.13667191 >>13667030 Alastair Reynolds will be heralded as a classic in a few decades, but he's the only contemporary sci fi writet that will. I can see China getting traction as time goes by, but Jemisin, Gaiman and their lot will be forgotten and soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:14:44 2019 No.13667196 >>13667159 I'd prefer they ripped off Wolfe and Ellison, but Ursula will do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:19:13 2019 No.13667218 >>13663111 >durrr things used to be better back then every generation says this, fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:21:08 2019 No.13667229 >>13667218 it's true though, sure every generation said that but things really suck today as opposed to then, learn the difference it might save your life

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:23:19 2019 No.13667246 >>13667218 Unless you believe in some silly theory about the arc of history, it's likely just from a statistical point of view that you don't live in the best of times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:27:56 2019 No.13667278 >>13667030 anything by Peter Watts according to what i hear, although i can only vouch for what i've readmyself which isn't much

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:32:41 2019 No.13667308 File: 98 KB, 961x368, Cz_h3yTWIAEv7uL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667218 >every generation says this, fuck off That every generation denounces its elders is basically a falsehood journalists in New York cooked up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:40:25 2019 No.13667332 >>13666189 >a lady astronaut novel kek

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:42:03 2019 No.13667342

>>13667308
interesting, although you didn't give source either

in any case it's something that intuitively should be true, we all have nostalgia. and nowadays things change much faster than before, so I would expect it to be more accentuated than normal. but I do think it's too soon to call today's writers shit though, we need some historic perspective, and time so that the hidden gems can get more known

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:44:31 2019 No.13667350 >>13667342 This "the hidden gems take time to surface" is such a cope. Almost all works that are considered great today were considered great in their own time as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:47:27 2019 No.13667358 >>13667342 https://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:49:14 2019 No.13667367 File: 185 KB, 628x885, quotes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667342 >although you didn't give source either I snagged it from the Yale Book of Quotations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:50:29 2019 No.13667374 >>13667367 He's still not wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:51:59 2019 No.13667386 File: 25 KB, 472x298, 8f3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667367 >snoop doggy dogg in a university book of quotations What is wrong with Americans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:52:56 2019 No.13667388 File: 159 KB, 1026x693, DmhKxZlW0AAAntM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667342 >in any case it's something that intuitively should be true Would it have been true in places with minimal social change?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:54:18 2019 No.13667395 >>13667308 >That every generation denounces its elders ...has nothing at all to do with what anon said, which is that every generation says things used to be better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:54:30 2019 No.13667397 >>13667386 It's a travesty to be honest.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 15:58:57 2019 No.13667422

>>13667308
That's just one example. I remember one character in a Corneille play say something to the effect of "in times such as ours it's already good enough to find someone remotely decent".
Maybe that attitude is only as old as the 17th century but that's already pretty old. Certainly not something cooked up in the 60s.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:01:17 2019 No.13667442

>>13667350
It's mostly the opposite that happen, lauded works fall into irrelevance.
But there are some people who were discovered late and (perhaps most importantly) many writers who gained traction over several generations. See Shakespeare for instance, he was considered good but not great in his time, by the 19th century he had become nearly God incarnate.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:05:37 2019 No.13667463

>>13667422
Nah, you'll find the 'good old days' attitude in much older stuff than that. See the Romans or the ancient Chinese. IIRC even the Iliad does it, which is pretty funny when you consider how later Greeks thought of it.

If it's not a cultural universal, it must be pretty close to one

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:06:46 2019 No.13667467 >>13662833 >implying these awards aren’t affirmative action nonsense

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:09:25 2019 No.13667477 File: 95 KB, 1150x276, CtliGEmWcAAdwKl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667463 I have to say, some of those Roman were pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:13:40 2019 No.13667499 >>13667055 Phrases like this would legit trigger me into committing an act of violence >Privilege is rarely the fault of the people who benefit

>>	Ggg Mon Aug 19 16:15:07 2019 No.13667505 DUUU ME ME LIKD THE POOPOO XD FORTNIRE

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:18:10 2019 No.13667525 File: 222 KB, 822x844, uuy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13667505 /lit/ is a pro poo board

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:41:56 2019 No.13667646 >>13667388 Yes. Read the Greeks, they were bitching about it 25 centuries ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:44:02 2019 No.13667654 >>13667442 Never mind Melville, Kafka, Bulgakov, etc. Coleridge was first and foremost seen as a critic and essayist in his time. RotAM and Kubilai are now seen as classics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:49:10 2019 No.13667678 >>13667646 Greece was constantly changing though. I had in mind something much earlier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:58:48 2019 No.13667726 >>13667011 Because white men are actively discriminated against. Don't you know we need to counterbalance all that historical sexism? Deal with it. Maybe in 200 years it'll be men's turn again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 16:59:47 2019 No.13667734 >>13667726 >and nothing changes

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 17:00:03 2019 No.13667735 >>13662824 >Best Related Work >Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works Hey, I won a Hugo!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 17:05:20 2019 No.13667765 >>13666337 It is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 17:53:43 2019 No.13667992 >>13663697 Spread fascism and fix the clown world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:03:31 2019 No.13668038 >>13667992 fascism is a clown ideology

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:08:25 2019 No.13668062

>>13662824
The Hugo's haven't been indicative of quality science fiction and fantasy since the mid-80's. Kind of funny to see their yearly token Chinese entry, though. "We want to see more foreign writers" they said. No, you want to fellate the Chinese market.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:12:05 2019 No.13668078 >>13667196 Do you think there is a single author alive in the SF/F scene that is capable of replicating the brilliance of Wolfe in any capacity? I mean that seriously, I haven’t read anything worth while by anyone else in the genre in a long time.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:12:52 2019 No.13668081

>>13666337
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types — the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution. (Illustrated London News, 1924)

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:15:34 2019 No.13668088 >>13663413 They did that a few years ago. You know, to avoid giving awards to candidates endorsed by centrists and rightists while trying to prove there is no bias against centrists and rightists.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:18:45 2019 No.13668098

>>13663452
First person is a crutch for inferior writers. This pisses inferior writers off, and they'll point to one or two examples by people who made it work. But the vast majority of first person narratives are written for the author's convenience.

>>13663478
Poorly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:20:18 2019 No.13668106 >>13666279 That thing looks like a man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:20:35 2019 No.13668109 >>13666978 Teacher here. Public education is an unambiguous good. The rules were changed to appease butthurt parents who didn't want to raise their SPED kids.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:23:50 2019 No.13668126 Another issue is that they don't spend half a decade writing a massive pile of short stories, in order to hone their craft, before going on to a book deal.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:31:59 2019 No.13668178

>>13668078
What Wolfe did? No, no one's even close. He elevated the genre in a way that very few people are even capable of understanding.

I was just rereading Litany of the Long Sun and have only just bow noticed that it all happens in something like 3 days. Clouding how little time has passed while so much happened is a skill few own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 18:34:39 2019 No.13668193 >>13666962 >"We're looking for Zambian writers and artists!" Oh, they should. There are many interesting stories there from the farmers who fled racial discrimination in Zimbabwe.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 19:02:09 2019 No.13668341

>>13668109
I hate teachers.

Most kids would be better off doing apprenticeships after about the 8th grade and you know it too. You put so much effort into that slow kid because it satisfies your ego, admit it. And you put down the smart kids because they challenge your authority and ruin your smug.

Teachers unions are also a mistake.

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 19:14:42 2019 No.13668401

>>13668109
>unambiguous good
Not it was not.

Public education in the 'third world' for example is about destroying their traditional culture to impose western economic colonialism on them.

In the West, it is about handing all children over to The State to indoctrinate (modelled on the Prussian system which later also was a big influence on Nazi Germany) under the belief that children ultimately belong to the state and not their families.
It was also done to free up women from child-rearing so that they could go into low end service jobs, which had a deflationary effect on wages and led to greater economic disparity.

Public schools by lumping children by age has led to an inability to as effectively socialize with people of a range of ages as they did in the past, promote herdmindedness and conformity, enable bullying that traumatizes children very deeply.

Some public good, yes, mostly as free babysitters to lazy parents and perhaps some freedom from abusive households. For some, more economic mobility than they may have enjoyed previously but that too is not an unambiguous good.

Choose your words wisely if you really are a teacher. Your dogmatism is showing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 20:32:53 2019 No.13668835 >>13668038 That's what the clown world wants you to think

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 21:57:07 2019 No.13669330
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Could the general decline in the quality of science fiction, with its dearth of modern classics and the decline its ability to generate bold new visions of the future, but in some manner linked in parallel to a similar phenomenon in the actual sciences? It seems to me that invention has slowed down, which is not to say that science has stagnated, but that the 20th century was a perfect storm for rapid innervation, and now we have settled in to a slower, more predictable, pace? Many of the bold world-changing ideas have been had, and now we find ourselves in the game of methodically testing and working out the minutia of those ideas? Could science-fiction have mirrored this change in tempo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 22:02:16 2019 No.13669353 >>13669330 Wrong. All this generation's great scientists ended up in the dumpster behind the abortion clinic. You can't have innovation with no one to innovate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 22:20:00 2019 No.13669452 >>13663277 Wall posts...more like post wall.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 22:50:59 2019 No.13669629 >>13669353 >All this generation's great scientists ended up in the dumpster behind the abortion clinic. You can't have innovation with no one to innovate. lol that's some bad luck, for us and the aborted, haha, oh well. C'est la vie ~

Anonymous Mon Aug 19 22:57:34 2019 No.13669659

>>13663349
>Astronaut is so strong that even the most dearly held conventions of society may not stand a chance against her.

Wait, what? They were just talking about the earth being on the brink of destruction and the main character is concerned about being the first Lady Astronaut and societal conventions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 23:17:10 2019 No.13669728 >>13668401 >bullying that traumatizes children very deeply Bullying is the most natural way to enforce society's rules and it either eliminates or re-educates those who stray from it. It's an unambiguous good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 19 23:53:37 2019 No.13669871 >>13669330 >ywn be on the receiving end of this Why even live

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 00:34:01 2019 No.13670070 >>13664289 >pozzed What are you, a Manc? Kiwi, maybe? Sounds like bong n boomerang talk to me. This murica, y'hear. >spits Now git.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 00:46:12 2019 No.13670113 >>13669330 >>>>>13668384 Accelerationism is the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 01:13:24 2019 No.13670195 >>13667726 >130 years ago >women need to use a man's pen name to be published. >today >men have to use a woman's pen name to be published.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 02:16:41 2019 No.13670406 >>13666725 Prix Goncourt is absolutely not good

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 02:20:23 2019 No.13670415 File: 92 KB, 1140x641, photos-l-ecrivain-michel-houellebecq-sera-decore-de-la-legion-d-honneur-par-emmanuel-macron.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13670406 Didn't our boy Houellebecq win it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 02:22:25 2019 No.13670419 >>13662833 >>13662837 Any lit explaining this view of human groupthink?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 02:26:25 2019 No.13670431 >>13670415 Yes, sadly he's not the only one to have won it

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 03:06:01 2019 No.13670523

>>13667350
Dumbass. Moby Dick was mostly ignored when it was published and even forgotten after Melville passed away. Nietzsche was ignored in life and his books went unsold. Marx gained some popularity only at the end of his life (it was Engels who popularized Marx), Borges was well into his 60s when he became popular. Just because a writer is a household name doesn't mean he'll live on. You should look the names of popular French writers of the 19th century and see who survived. I can tell you, not many.

Not lit, but still quite important: Vincent van Gogh and Paul Gaugain only became popular after they died.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 03:17:03 2019 No.13670548 awards have never meant anything. not in literature, not in science, not in SHIT

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 03:27:09 2019 No.13670593 >>13663396 >LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE John C. Wright is probably the greatest SFF novelist of the last 20 years but he’s never going to win a Hugo because he self-publishes or publishes through tiny independent presses since he’s a fucking white male.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 03:45:44 2019 No.13670639 >>13667422 I’m confused. Is your argument that nothing ever actually gets better or worse and society has just stayed the same throughout history? Nothing ever changes? Why aren’t we all walking around in togas?

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 04:10:14 2019 No.13670693

>>13669330
I don't think that's true. If you're not underage one of the greatest technological changes we've experienced still happened in your lifetime. That's smart phones. Everyone has one, so it doesn't sound quite as big. For me, it was when a friend told me he had an app where he points the camera somewhere, and the app overlays data telling him where the store he's looking for is. And then I thought "wait, do we all have tricorders now?" Everyone now has a powerful computer in their pocket that is capable of doing pretty much everything you'd want from a computer. The impact on society is clear: No event can happen without video footage, because there's always someone whipping out their personal recording device. Everyone always has the internet at their fingertips. Everyone also has a device that tracks their movement unless you take effort to disable that feature, which most people don't. Equally, there has been the rise of social media.

The what if of stuff like this is powerful material for science fiction. Black Mirror is one of the big hits of the current TV landscape, and it was built entirely on the premise of exploring this sort of thing. At least, until the most recent season, which is Hugo-worthy in its mediocrity.

No, it's simply exactly what everyone thinks it is: Politics. When you look at The Calculating Stars it just mirrors everything a Western left wing audience considers important in real life. More than that, the things they want to believe are real so they can fight them. Even with the conceit of moving the time frame back to the 50's its pocket critics are saying it's "relevant". This is a book that won an award for being about women, written by a woman, in a show where nearly all other nominated writers were also women. But its fight against 50's gender norms is "relevant".

It's perfectly possible that good science fiction is still being written, but simply is not brought to attention. It might not even be published, because the market is pushing this id-fic in favor of everything else.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 04:14:26 2019 No.13670703

>>13670693
>No event can happen without video footage, because there's always someone whipping out their personal recording device.
Deepfakes bro. The very fabric of "reality" is in question. Soon you won't be able to believe anything you see on a screen (PROTIP: you shouldn't believe anything you see on a screen. Not even this post).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 04:21:22 2019 No.13670745 >>13666725 >falling for the literary prize meme never gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 04:36:58 2019 No.13670819 >>13662833 Hugo became SJW shit about 7 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:14:24 2019 No.13671003 >>13662841 No one's gonna say anon

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:15:33 2019 No.13671005

>>13670415
he himself said public opinion was they owed it to him a long time ago and then when there was no excuse to withdraw it from him because his novel kicked other novel's asses, they had to give the Prix Goncourt to him, if they wanted to be taken serious ever again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:19:07 2019 No.13671016 >>13663452 Do people really read that shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:25:12 2019 No.13671039 File: 72 KB, 511x448, 763CAC0A-7156-4A6B-9DF1-98A576BF215A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13666189 Its all so tiresome

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:33:21 2019 No.13671066 >>13669728 >t. the wolf towards the lamb

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 05:57:38 2019 No.13671138 >>13670693 Smart phones were more or less envisaged in 60's scifi sans touch screen and comtech as been the subject of intense exploration in science-fiction since Gibson at least.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 06:20:05 2019 No.13671221

>>13670693
I think a major problem is that these things can only be properly realised by an outsider to these aspects, but even "social outsiders" are still "insiders" to the prevalence of social media.

I think it wont be until we get people leaving the internet that we'll get an outsider's, pulled back, view on all of these aspects.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 06:29:00 2019 No.13671243
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>>13669728
Kids are bullied constantly for things that are out of their control, like their race or the wealth of their family.

Kids are often bullied for no fucking reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 06:47:12 2019 No.13671302 >>13671243 >like their race Maybe they should live somewhere else with more people of a similar ethnicity

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 07:09:15 2019 No.13671382

>>13671221
I don't believe that's a condition. Black Mirror did a decent job, and I don't think Charlie Brooker is an outsider. Though, he is a bit of a Boomer, so maybe that counts. But even if that were the case, the point is that a huge swath of international media are using political correctness as a measure of quality. The Calculating Stars didn't win on the merits of it being a well written, thought provoking novel. It won because it confirms world views, rather than challenging them.

It's been like that for years. A few years ago there was seriously a kerfluffle at WorldCon where a woman complained that she got to spoke last at some workshop or another because she was perceived as being white. Take note, the argument wasn't that a pecking order based on ethnicity was bad. The argument was that she didn't deserve it, because she secretly had the correct ethnicity.

Those are the people in charge of deciding what quality in fiction looks like in an official, respect channel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 07:24:03 2019 No.13671423 >>13663452 Yikes. Females authors are such jokes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 08:02:26 2019 No.13671553 >>13663478 Amazing how you brainlets automatically link everything back to Game of Thrones somehow. Try reading her book, I think you’re actually the target audience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 08:08:20 2019 No.13671574 >>13663349 >Teaming up with a Research Transport vessel named ART (you don’t want to know what the “A” stands for), anal?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 10:48:46 2019 No.13672134 >>13670593 He's published through Tor, his problem is more how the puppies mess went down.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 10:57:01 2019 No.13672162

Can I just say something? The reason that big publishers look for women and minorities is because that’s what SELLS. This happens overwhelmingly because it’s overwhelmingly how publishers survive. There’s nothing you can do about it, because women love to read these shitty books they write for themselves. The discrimination men are experiencing is exactly the same as women and the pay gap, purely an economic phenomenon. We are experiencing gender inequality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:11:35 2019 No.13672217 >>13672134 Isn't he friends with Vox Day too?

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:13:28 2019 No.13672225

>>13672162
Yeah I'm sure they're bursting at the seems with profits. I think it's the only thing that sells because it's the only thing they will sell. I'm one of those people who won't read any modern fantasy or science fiction because I know what they're doing.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:21:13 2019 No.13672252

>>13672162
It's probably also a little early to be calling the death of the white male. 2018 had finalists by Kim Stanley Robinson and John Scalzi. It'd be hard to argue that either of them deserved to win since New York 2140 was a sprawling unedited rant against 2016 and Collapsing Empire was a nice but not outstanding start to a series. The lack of dudes this year is maybe concerning but it's only one data point. I'm personally more worried about the death of true scifi, more than half of the list the last few years has been pure fantasy .

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:26:46 2019 No.13672288 >>13672252 >John Scalzi Scalzi is hardly a white male.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:27:42 2019 No.13672293 >>13672134 He WAS published through Tor because he had a deal with them for Eschaton Sequence. Everything else has been self-published or through shit presses (like the one Vox Day runs) for years now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:34:14 2019 No.13672323 >>13672288 >Scalzi is hardly a white male. What did he mean by this?

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 11:53:06 2019 No.13672421

>>13672162
I've never been a fan of the economic argument. First of all, the Hugo Awards (and any awards) are supposed to be a measure of quality, not popularity. I don't recall Twilight winning a Hugo, for instance. Secondly, simple stating "this is what sells" is simplistic. Furry porn sells, too. I've yet to see it on the shelves of my local bookstore. And why does it sell? Is it genuinely popular, and is that why it has such a big market share? Or did it start with the market share, and did the popularity follow? I've seen entirely too many articles about "X needs to change according to my vague NeoMarxist ideology" to blindly accept this is simple impartial market action. The truth is, many of these publishers practice open idealism.

>>13672252
I don't know anything about Kim Stanley Robinson, but Scalzi is a low-brow, scummy ideologue. That's the point, here. It's politics. Scalzi is in the right camp, so he gets his dick sucked. And according to the same politics, female authors need to be pushed forward. While I obviously am not privy to any meetings that preceded the Hugo's, I don't think it's far fetched to say that those politics informed the list of nominees. After all, that's not exactly a new phenomenon, and the post-Puppies Hugo's have been safeguarded against any pesky outsiders trying to upset their little system.

As for the death of SF, I do share your concern. But I think it's part of the same problem. When I look at the nominees, I don't see stories that make particularly good use of their SF angle. Big ideas SF seems to be disappearing in favor of personal journey SF.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 12:03:12 2019 No.13672470 File: 74 KB, 640x598, 1562543357395.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Hugos are dead, have been for years.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 13:32:55 2019 No.13672924

>>13672421
>>13672252
Perhaps "true" science fiction has simply moved elsewhere? SF came from obscurity and now it's returning to obscurity. People are still going to read the classics and try create their own, they just won't be found on a B&N shelf. It'll be online somewhere, buried under a pile of absolute garbage.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 13:52:21 2019 No.13673032

One argument has been men are reading less, and engaging less with science fiction literature in general. Men are heavily leaning in the direction of video games in both creation and consumption, while women have essentially filled the gap.

I mean i can kind of grasp that argument, i hate to admit i'm making less time for myself to read. Though plenty of women i know who are nerds don't really care about the personal politics of whoever wrote it, just if the story is good or not (or has a sufficient amount of girlwank material)

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 13:54:22 2019 No.13673046 >>13664042 >>>13663452 habo segsu

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 13:55:48 2019 No.13673058

>>13672924
To be honest i'm returning to a traditional book shop more as it provides a far better filter, amazon is just inundated with garbage, So many "sagas" with 10 volumes produced in under a year that are apparently some kind of uberwank where authors buy each others books and drop 5 star reviews.

I'd love to be able to open up a bookshop that specialises in sci-fi and fantasy one day.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:01:57 2019 No.13673113

>>13673032
I think a better argument is that people like to identify with the author they read and white males are a minority of the market, of which there is already a large saleable canon that they are probably buying the most of anyway while minorities and women are steering away from classics and consuming new books. White males are literally facing discrimination like how actresses get paid less because they’re 10x as replaceable because every girl wants to be one.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:05:43 2019 No.13673140

>>13673032
Causality is rarely unidirectional, but mostly feedback loops. SciFi started moving in a direction unappealing to men, for reasons of publisher politics. Men stopped reading it, and the decisions became financial as well, and thus the process accelerated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:06:58 2019 No.13673151 >>13673140 White men are a minority and are suffering economically and in representation as such.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:13:48 2019 No.13673203

I feel immensely shitty for suggesting that something sketchy can be going on, but 4chan is about the only place you can question this at all. Which is really fucked up. Every article has someone going "uhh... isn't this biased" and the replies range from "Biased the RIGHT way!" to calling the person questioning it a literal nazi.

I'm not suggesting some bullshit like having a right wing science fiction awards or something, as i'm fairly left leaning and progressive. But the left should be called out on it's bullshit just as much as the right, and that just isn't happening which I think is completely fucked up.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:14:23 2019 No.13673206

>>13672924
Maybe. I do read the classics almost exclusively. Years ago I tried to find good modern SF, but most of it was garbage. The internet is an unreliable advisor. I used to be able to rely on the SF Masterworks list, but since they have expanded it with other works I've found them to be unreliable as well. Everything from the old list is guaranteed to be good, though. But fucked if I know where the next PKD or Strugatski brothers are hanging out.

>>13673032
Another thing is that it's much more commonly accepted for women to read trash. Things like Romance and YA have a massive gender bias. Schlick-fic sits proudly on the shelves of any self-disrespecting bookstore. Takes no brain to write or read. Male equivalents are much harder to find, and no-one is going to read them out in the open. And I wonder if the male equivalents that people read on WattPad, or 4chan writethreads, are even counter in the stats.

>>13673058
That reminds me of one of the things I find disheartening about the current way of the Hugo's. Several nominees and winners are series. Everyone wants to drop a stack, these days. Is it because aSoIaF is popular? Every vapid nobody is dreaming of word counts that would make even the most dour of Russian masters do a double take. They even added a category for series, and then STILL give the award to individual books in series.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:18:55 2019 No.13673235

>>13673113
>>13673140
I've never really felt that need to self insert into a book like that personally, and generally just enjoy a story as it unfolds. And i suppose a majority of recent books i've read have had female protagonists but that doesn't really bother me as i don't demand a main character be a proxy of myself and my desires.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:23:16 2019 No.13673274

>>13673206
I mean, outside of self publishing on amazon, i assume that the push for series is also coming from publishers. A series means their investment in an author pays off more, or they can approach an author to do a series where they'd get more than doing one book, but it'd still work out cheaper for the publisher over 3-5 books.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:29:08 2019 No.13673303

Women are more than 90% of the publishing industry so it isn't surprising this is where we ended up.
Also, scifi is fairly niche as books go, so expect more of the same everywhere else. All aspects of the industry is going to move further in this direction before there is a cultural swing back the other way (if there ever is one).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:34:43 2019 No.13673331 >>13673235 I never said anything about representation or self-inserting. I talked about appeal. The fact that you don't understand the difference is an important revelation about the limits of your perspective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:37:30 2019 No.13673351 File: 57 KB, 576x436, 1509590502421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13663452

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:37:58 2019 No.13673355 >>13673331 So, what are these factors that lead to a lack of appeal, broadly speaking, for men?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:40:40 2019 No.13673375 >>13662841 Soembie

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:42:03 2019 No.13673386 >>13662833 Weird how people who love to mock identity politics lose their fucking minds whenever muh white man doesn't get a participation trophy

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:43:43 2019 No.13673397 >>13673386 It doesn’t bother you to be a hypocrite by not agreeing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:45:21 2019 No.13673408 >>13673355 Character over ideas. Applicability to the modern rather than pushing the boundaries of possibility. Relatability over beauty. There are not desires of men in general, but of the subset that might be interested in science fiction books.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:47:24 2019 No.13673420

>>13673386
People aren't upset that men aren't being included. At this point it's got to be more insulting to win one than flattering. Rather, they're lamenting that the it's now a diversity award rather than an award for outstanding writing in science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 14:58:09 2019 No.13673498 >>13673420 I think one problem is that... what was it, retarded puppies group might have ruined it for men over the next few years

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 15:05:45 2019 No.13673545 >>13663349 The murderbot shit was bad. Women's takes on AI are so boring, their android characters are just human personality + magical science powers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 15:11:52 2019 No.13673585 File: 37 KB, 398x376, 1563722112943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13666189 >Also, people don't understand her Jewish heritage. Oy vey!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 15:17:14 2019 No.13673630 >>13673545 >murderbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrY-iXi5o3o

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 15:22:32 2019 No.13673667 >>13670523 > Moby Dick was mostly ignored when it was published and even forgotten after Melville passed away Only in America. It was popular in the UK

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:01:00 2019 No.13673932

>>13663349
I got baited into reading the first Murderbot novella by coworkers. It was fucking terrible. There's so many blatant shortcuts and examples of lazy writing, especially with the robots personality.

As someone getting back into reading more, I'm glad I read it so I understand what bad writing is like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:07:14 2019 No.13673979 >>13662833 Never again. White bois will be extinct by the year 2050.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:22:37 2019 No.13674093

The people who run these awards know they're nominating shit. They do it for the same reason television producers shoehorn in some black actors, it's because they think the source of racism or sexism is a lack of exposure so they're intentionally forcing these black actors and authors on us in an attempt to affect out unconscious mind and make us less racist. It's complete bullshit because there's no good reason to think that's how racism works and even if it was that still doesn't give them the right to implement their social engineering.

I don't consume any media where I detect that shit because I resent the attempt. I won't de facto touch any female or black authors because there's a good chance they're being propped up.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:30:08 2019 No.13674135

>>13674093
I know i probably sounds crazy, but i think thats the exact same bullshit they are pulling only on the opposite side of the spectrum. The most fair thing you can do is to judge the media fairly after consuming it. And at the moment, it is quite unfair to white male authors who arguably the genre survived through for a very long time, but everyone needs a little prop up occasionally and while it's impossible to completely eliminate agenda, it's important to try and be equal and fair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:41:57 2019 No.13674205 I think it's pretty safe to dismiss >>13663349 without "consuming" them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:51:09 2019 No.13674247 >>13673498 That's some low effort concern trolling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 16:53:28 2019 No.13674254 >>13673630 That's just Rich Evans + magical science powers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 17:12:42 2019 No.13674351 >>13674093 >they're intentionally forcing these black actors and authors on us in an attempt to affect out unconscious mind and make us less racist Exposure to blacks tends to make people more racist

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 17:16:05 2019 No.13674368 >>13674351 That’s exposure to real blacks, not the magic blacks from propaganda fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 17:37:49 2019 No.13674469 >look for opinions on the Hugo's on YouTube >only find videos by hyper white girl booktubers >yeah, I wonder what their views will be... So, did anyone worthwhile actually have something to say about this thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 17:38:40 2019 No.13674471 >>13663349 >you don’t want to know what the “A” stands for), >“ART,” as Murderbot calls it, short for “Asshole Research Transport”

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 17:40:22 2019 No.13674481 >>13662824 Imagine spending any time caring about any award.

Anonymous Tue Aug 20 19:31:37 2019 No.13675072

Looks like commie writers have already taken the opportunity to call John W. Campbell a fascist and demand the Campbell Award stops being named after him. It's all so bloody tiresome.

Found Charles Stross in that Twitter thread, too. I used to read his work. One trick pony. Emblematic of my problem with trying to find good, current writers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 20:36:19 2019 No.13675389 >>13672421 >>I don't know anything about Kim Stanley Robinson, but Scalzi is a low-brow, scummy ideologue. So's KSR, I think. He's(?) some commie scum, IIRC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 23:13:44 2019 No.13676163 The retrospective awards have all the best stuff. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 20 23:34:09 2019 No.13676251 AAAAAAA STOP ANON IM GOING TO COOM

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 21 00:23:40 2019 No.13676468 >>13674368 True, you have a point

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