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13645526 No.13645526[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

>anon, do you believe in climate change?
>dunno, i never read much about it
>wow are you telling me you're a climate change denier?
>i'm telling you i don't know enough about it to have an opinion
>everyone is telling you, there are signs everywhere wow can't believe you don't believe in climate change

Why does this happen

>> No.13645547

>>13645526
It's moral panic / crowd hysteria etc. Plebs flipping out because so is everybody else.

>> No.13645611

>>13645526
Every now and then we have one more imminent apocalypse, this is no different
Maybe humans have some kind of inner masochistic desire for self-annihilation, dunno

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>>13645526
living in a country where the majority understand it's happening, the real conversation is about whether we should focus on mitigation of its effects, or if we should take on burdensome restrictions on our economy which won't actually accomplish even a slowing of climate change - let alone a reversal

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>> No.13645657

>>13645526
You are wrong. The person you are talking to has the high ground. Kys

>> No.13645682

>>13645526
It's your brain normalfaggotry.
>everyone else believes "thing"?
>well I don't know what it's about, but I guess I better go along with it!

>> No.13645694

>>13645682
You're supposed to be able to read if you want to post on this board...

>> No.13645700

>yeah I want to know who's slowing the earth's rotation and wobbling its orbit. we're going to have to ballast the moon a bit if we want to keep going
>>normie: ....?

>> No.13645765

>immediately pressing issues regarding all life on earth
>OP too lazy/incurious to acquaint with cursory material on it
Never thought I'd say this but the normies are in the right here.

>> No.13645913

>>13645526
Fucking cringe. OP is genuinely an idiot

>> No.13646255

>>13645913
nah its reasonable to be skeptical. these are the same people who thought it was patently obvious that priests were god servants on earth 100 years ago. literally peer pressure group think and hysteria

>> No.13646266

>>13646255
>nah its reasonable to be skeptical. these are the same people who thought it was patently obvious that priests were god servants on earth 100 years ago. literally peer pressure group think and hysteria

yeah you're so fucking special and brilliant dude. way to show these guys how superior you are on a topic that you admit you don't know shit about.

>> No.13646268

>>13645526
Because our culture is obsessed with people having the right ideas instead of people acting decently.

>> No.13646270

>>13646266
Thanks. Everything will be fine in 20 years relax

>> No.13646293

>>13645526
Practically any flat earther could likely contribute more substantial evidence towards the existence of a flat earth than the average round earther could to a round earth. Most people do not understand how critical thought works, and conflate social incentives with logical conclusions. I feel your pain. I hope you can find better people to surround yourself with.

>> No.13646301

>>13645611
It generates buzz, which is why there was a huge scare about fossil fuels depleting by 1990, which obviously never happened. Logistics do not make for catchy headlines.

>> No.13646451

all serious non government bribed phsyicists and mathematicians will tell you climate change is happening and we have a microscopic effect on it

no amount of vegan patties or hybrid shit cars will change it, the earth is simply going through one of its many changes and its fine that we cannot control it as it also not our fault

>> No.13646676

>>13645526
Climate change isnt real, climate change is a less offensive buzzword invented by the GOP in the 90s to make it easier to defend fossil fuel interests. You're thinking of global warming, which is an undeniable fact that is only denied by grifters and griftees.

>> No.13646681

>>13646451
ESL retard, why the fuck are you asking mathematicians about climate science?

>> No.13646690

>>13645526
Did you *really* have that conversation with someone in real life? Or did you think up that situation in your head?

>> No.13646694

>>13646293
Flat earthers are so much worse than normies. The "evidence" they provide will be schizo blog posts and youtube videos with quotes from genesis. The ISS orbits a(n approximately) spherical earth and astrophysicists arent all paid actors you brainwashed buffoon.

>> No.13646699

>>13645526
I reject any attempt to people to force me into some sort of group identifier.

I'm neither pro-life or pro-choice
not pro global warming or pro the opposite of global warming
not left wing or right wing or center wing
not atheist or religious

once you join a group, you start putting group interests ahead of your own

>> No.13646702

>>13646699
You have to be 18 to post here

>> No.13646704

>>13645611
>this is not different
Every year is literally the hottest year ever recorded. In my opinion that's different enough from when people said some invisible planet was crashing into earth in 2012 because of Mayan apocalypse and nothing happened

>> No.13646709

>>13646699
yeah the difference in there is that say "not pro global warming or against it" is the same as saying "i neither believe the earth is round nor that it is flat". I know that in the US you have a long way of allowing denial of basic scientific facts such as evolution, but there's only so far you can regress in terms of knowledge before going back to living in the middle ages

>> No.13646719

>>13646681
not him but mathematical modeling is used so extensively in modern climatology that many scientists in the field actually have their doctorates in applied (or even pure) mathematics

>> No.13646721

>>13646451
This shit is stupid. It's about so much more than the temperature. Increased CO2 ppm in the atmosphere causes ocean acidification and agricultural nutrient collapse. Even without a change in temperature this would still fuck us.

>>13645526
Not informing yourself about climate change is like not learning how to drive when you live in your parent's basement in the suburbs, you just become an extremely visible boor

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>>13646709
you can't trick me into joining your groups

I'm too wise to fall for propaganda about there being no third option and that I have to choose between the options given

>> No.13646776

>>13646724
So you have no strong beliefs one way or the other on any issue at all, and you think this is a characteristic of wisdom? Looking for a middle ground is one thing, but just refusing to have an opinion because "muh normies" is ridiculous.

>> No.13646940

>>13646776
uh oh mister mister seems to think I can't have an opinion without being a group member

what a maroon

your dumb propaganda has failed, I can do as I please without joining you.

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>don't have opinion about something incredibly easy to understand and tremendously important
>blame normies for caring
how much drool did you have to wipe off your keyboard after posting this?

>> No.13646990

We should eradicate all niggers, chinks, and third worlders (also the Jews for good measure) and climate change/population overflow issue would immediately be resolved and general quality of life for everyone remaining would increase dramatically. No one in any position of power will admit this hard truth though. I’m enrolling into Stanford Law next year and hope to eventually get a job in politics and work my way up so hopefully I’m able to fight for or future bros.

>> No.13647013

>>13646699
I was going to call you names but you got dubs dubs, which means you're definitely right

>> No.13647016
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>>13646973
It's like a doomsday cult with you people.
There is no nuance. It's either full blown apocalypse in 18 (well now 17) months or you are a "science" denier troglodyte who doesn't deserve to live.
This fascination with self-destruction is deeply disturbing.

>> No.13647034

>>13646293
Why aren't pictures of the earth from space good enough evidence for you spazes? I swear you guys want to retell the history of the evidence to the conclusion from Aristotle onward.
And no, not all of them are edited.

>> No.13647066

>>13645526
I think someone just walked into the climate change thread talking about how he didn't know his foot from his ass and got nay-nayed.

>> No.13647067
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First of all >>>/sci/
>>13646704
The Earth used to be way hotter, technically the world is still coming out of an ice age, it's not meant to be as cold as it is, and it heating up is inevitable whether we accelerate it or not.
>>13645765
>>13646776
>>13646973
You're all experts I assume, you've spent more than 10 hours researching this topic before having such strong stances on it? I would sure hope. Fencesitters are much preferable to faggots like you who probably do fuck-all research and then act as if you do. It's why true democracy as a system is garbage, you spend as much time thinking about your precious vote as you do for what you should have for dinner that evening.
Also what >>13646721
says, the temperature isn't even really the biggest concern long term, with that being said how much impact the individual can have probably isn't impactful enough to make a true difference. Especially considering the individuals with most co2 per person don't have much of a choice unless they want to fall to poverty since in NA the cities were designed around cars and thus public transport is near non existant and bikes take far too long. The only way to solve this would be through public transport which can't be solved through individual action. Along with this, similar issues arise from general pollution which is almost entirely Asia's problem.
Also how the fuck has this thread been up for 9 hours?

>> No.13647074

>>13645611
Freud would say you’re right.

>> No.13647079
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>>13647067

>> No.13647155

>>13647079
wtf is up with qatar and arabia?

>> No.13647168

>>13646724
whatever, if you think scientific discovery is on the same level of certainty of political doctrines or religion you need to go to the library and pick up some books

>> No.13647172

>>13645526
When a grill BRRAAAPS I want her ass to smoke like that

>> No.13647176

>>13647168
What books

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>>13645526
Marxists of /lit/, why are Scandinavians, despite being well educated, vote against their economic interests(that is for anti-global warming green parties)?

>> No.13647236

You'll see the same sort of behavior with every political ideologue. They're trying to impose their will on you.

>> No.13647243

Every religion needs a good apocalyptic end time story.

>> No.13647247

>>13646268
Yes, well said.
Policing the exterior world has spun out of control, so instead we attempt to police the interior (or at least perceptions of the interior).

>> No.13647257

Climate change is not scientific.

>The predictive skill of a model is usually measured by comparing the predicted outcome with the observed one. Note that any forecast produced in the form of a confidence interval, or as a probability distribution, cannot be verified or disproved by a single observation or realization since there is always a non-zero probability for a single realization to be within or outside the forecast range just by chance. Skill and reliability are assessed by repeatedly comparing many independent realizations of the true system with the model predictions through some metric that quantifies agreement between model forecasts and observations (e.g. rank histograms). For projections of future climate change over decades and longer, there is no verification period, and in a strict sense there will never be any, even if we wait for a century . . . climate projections, decades or longer in the future by definition, cannot be validated directly through observed changes. Our confidence in climate models must therefore come from other sources.

>> No.13647272

>>13646255
You're going to starve to death.

>> No.13647276

>>13647206
Because the alternative is much worse.

>> No.13647281

>>13647272
Prove it

>> No.13647299

>>13646973
>"Yeah, that's a little thing alongside how man has destroyed nature. And those who are passionate about climate change are not concerned about nature, but about people, their own well-being and economic growth. That's why it makes such a fuss."
You're the one drooling if you think normies give a shit. They couldn't give a single fuck in the past even though climate change has been a known fact for decades, they care now because that's the popular opinion being pushed. That's how fucking retarded normies are and demonstrates why this is happening in the first place.

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>>13645526

>> No.13647610

>>13646694
>astrophysicists arent all paid actors
Obviously. You would benefit from reading my words more clearly, flat earthers could contribute more evidence to the flat earth theory than the average round earther could to a round earth. Flat earthers are literally more educated on the subject than the round earther, even if it is completely wrong. I am not defending flat earth theory even in the slightest, I am only posing the reality that most round earthers cannot actually readily defend the science behind a round earth near as well as a flat earther could a flat earth, even if it is a psuedo science. Neither party are readily equipped to disprove the psuedo science. It is an error in critical judgement to say that flat earthers are uninformed, or uneducated (at least on the subject of a round or flat earth). They are misinformed and improperly educated, as well as highly ignorant of the logistical processes that run the modern world, such as like you said, supposing that scientists were all paid actors. Only somebody from complete ignorance could come to the conclusions required to be a flat earther. I am not disagreeing with you, but there is a difference between acknowledging what people tell you is popular belief as factual and understanding the mechanics of why it is factual. Climate change has not been taught in schools for very long, in fact I think the extent of what I learned in public schooling had to do with the greenhouse effect. Understanding the greenhouse effect doesn't allow somebody an authority to logically conclude that climate change is being substantially accelerated by humans. The question ITT, is not whether climate change or a round earth is real, but whether OP should be allowed the intellectual affordance to abstain from taking a position on a subject who's fundamental mechanics he does not understand. I think it is quite reasonable to not claim a position in which one cannot readily defend, as topical and controversial as climate change is. If I were asked the same question as OP, as somebody who also doesn't believe he could honestly engage in providing evidence in support of the existence of human accelerated climate change, I would likely say something along the lines of "I do not understand nor could I readily defend climate change, but solely based on the people who espouse it and the way in which it is discussed, I am inclined to believe it is real." If OP wishes to be less socially agreeable as me and more blunt in his self acknowledged uninformity, I think he should be afforded the ability to do that without ridicule. It is completely and intellectually honest. If one were to criticize him (or I) for not being read on the subject, that is a completely different matter.

>> No.13647620

>>13645694
indeed, so why in the fuck are you here?

>> No.13647679

imagine humanity wiping itself out because we don't want to lose a couple gdp percentage points

>> No.13647685

>>13645526
Because it's a serious issue and you shouldn't be ignorant about it?

>> No.13647742

>>13646293
>>13647610
>Practically any flat earther could likely contribute more substantial evidence towards the existence of a flat earth than the average round earther could to a round earth
Dubious. Throw a tennis ball. Pick it up and throw it a bit further. Now what do you think happens if you throw it so hard it never hits the ground? Obviously you need to be high up so there's no wind resistance but round earth is easily provable by a layman.

>> No.13647747

>>13645526
Climate change is a chinese conspiracy
Haven't you been taking in your proscribed brainwashing, mutt?

>> No.13647757

While retards argue whether a cow fart is going to put us through literal hell or not, whole ecosystems are being destroyed and species dissapearing forever. But nobody talks about this because al gore is a piece of shit, he started this scam and no one is willing to walk away from it

>> No.13647760

>>13647079
In this case it would be better to have total emission rather than per capita.

>> No.13647764

>>13647257
You can compare the predictions of models who have been used for decades with how things really turned out. This is no universal solver but it's as good an indication as you can get empirically.

>> No.13647769

>>13647757
people are talking about that all the time though

>> No.13647775
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>>13647742
>round earth is easily provable by a layman
It is not, and your example doesn't accomplish this either. This doesn't equate for the reality that it would theoretically fall off the edge of the flat earth, or be spun magnetically by whatever force keeps us from reaching the edge unaided, or and number examples of forces and pauedo realities that the layman cannot dispute. Yours is not a scientific explanation, nor is it substantiated by evidence, nor is it self evident in countering many of the arguments for a flat earth.

>> No.13647803

>>13647742
Are you trying to prove a flat or round earth with this tennis ball? If you throw a tennis ball so hard it never hits the ground in a flat or round earth scenario, it's called space flight. This example does not prove either side to hold a more founded belief, it just illustrates they both believe in outer space existing.

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>>13647775
>>13647803
The airborne object is following the curvature of the Earth, because the further you throw it the higher the angle has to be.

>> No.13647877

When is the next ice age coming?

>> No.13647887

>>13647869
>allow me to use a formula which in no way uses the curvature of the earth as a variable
No. You can plot parabolas on a flat earth with more accuracy with that. The reason why the baseline is assumed to be flat is because what you are demonstrating is a formula in which the impact of the curvature of the earth is so neglible, that those variables are left out of the equation so teenagers do not have to deal with a flat earth. You might as well assume the earth is a perfect sphere, you will crash as many aeroplanes and space shuttles with such egregious rounding.

>> No.13647893

>>13647887
So teenagers do not have to deal with a ROUND earth. Apologies, your idiocy rubbed off for a moment.

>> No.13647916

>>13645634
Some other anon offered a hypothetical scenario, presupposing a global dictatorship, in which emissions would be systematically reduced on a global scale.
From what I've gathered is that for any meaningful change to be made, there would have to be a level of cooperation and trust between the world 's superpowers which I, not only deem unlikely, but also dangerous because it makes fertile ground for any would-be rouge state.

Now, I relate to OP 's post. These subjects are too complicated for there to be a moral panic around them. It gives for fuzzy feels and a bit of excitement to people's lives, but only headaches for me.

>> No.13647930

>>13646940
So than what is your opinion on global warming? I'm not asking what "group" you are a part of or what side you are taking. I want to know what your individual opinion on the issue is.

>> No.13648070

>>13645526
Global warming is real but not as bad as it should be

>> No.13648102

Multiple species driven to extinction because of human activities
>Man, stop with these animals already, I don't care

Countries like the Maldives are literally sinking because coral rifts are destroyed
>Let them fend for themselves, I don't live in the Maldives

Climate change causes non GMO crops do die out, bugs migration caused directly by climate change makes pesticides not work, leading to usage of even more pesticides in your food
>Who cares, I'm not a farmer or a onions boy. I can live just on meat.

So excuse people for confusing your ignorance for idiocy. There's more to climate change than a slight rise in temperature, and is a serious issue that needs to be pushed by the public.

>> No.13648190

>>13648102
>Countries like the Maldives are literally sinking because coral rifts are destroyed
>>Let them fend for themselves, I don't live in the Maldives
The Maldives have suffered far more damage from tsunamis and El nino events than from the broader problems of the ocean. Linking them with climate change when if you wiped humans and industry off the face of the planet and waited 200 years they would still be gone is disingenuous. Most of the bleaching and structural damage has been the result of weather phenomena which are natural to the area. Promising people the Maldives will still be there if we reverse climate change is pants on head retarded.
>Multiple species
A lot of this is not climate change and doesn't impact upon it. A large part of the climate change problem is the destruction of homogeneous forests for instance with pretty stable or low diversity but which will be contracted to mixed vegetation use for food crops under the guise of diversifying species. We've already done a lot of the damage to homogeneous populations of plants and animals through contact as they are more prone to extinction from introduced pressures such as disease or introduced competition from diversity.

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>>13647930
no fuck off, you're just trying to trick me into joining a group

I already told you that doesn't work on me

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Yes I believe that to stop ecological destruction we need a human sterilization pathogen how could you tell?

>> No.13648280

>>13646694
>>13647034

He isn't saying the earth is flat you illiterate morons. Why are you on /lit/ if you have trouble following simple arguments?

>> No.13648309

Climate Change is the religion the modern
bourgeoisie has adopted to fill the hole left by a lack of purpose in life. When there is no God, no nationalist pride or ideological direction to guide a man and make him feel part of something greater, he has to invent something. If all your basic needs are satisfied and you are essentially bored with life, you get a desire to change the world but for that you need something to be wrong with the world first. So the world has to be in great danger so that the bored middle class can dedicate themselves to protecting it.

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Man, I feel the more I learn about topics, the less I feel qualified to even talk about them. Climate change is definitely up there, I feel it's so heavily politicized without scientific backing on the politics that I just don't wanna talk about it. It's a source war at this point.

>> No.13648340

>>13646451

Name one.

>> No.13648348

>>13645526
because feminine people (intellectual tards) rely on social signalling as an ersatz intellect and vector for virtue signalling, which is basically the entirety of their personality. It is all external, they are tools of the social continuum instead of independent people

>> No.13648355

>>13646990

Yeah, because large-scale war is so good for ecology...

>> No.13648366

>>13647679
"Yes! YES, fuck me Economics, fuck me,
accelerate your 2% G(irth)DP accretion dick straight into my tranny hole!"'
^ Economic romanticists

>> No.13648376

>>13648239
to paraphrase Blake: 'I created my system so that I did not have one dictated to me'

>> No.13648418

>>13647610

>society evolves more or less organically (in an epistemological sense) into the castes of specialist and laity
>don’t listen to the specialist

You may have a point, but your subtext (that everyone should be informed about the mechanics, I.e. accumulate specialist knowledge) is moronic because the time it takes everyone to do that is a waste of time compared with listening to the specialists and acting)

>> No.13648424

I dream of a world where I roam the world on horseback with Greta as my wife and hunt down minorities that reproduce too much.

>> No.13648641

>>13648418
I am not saying people are wrong to not be completely educated, only that it is wrong to criticize somebody abstaining from discussion because he acknowledges this fact.

>> No.13648663

>>13645634
>let alone a reversal
What? What does that mean? Climate becoming unchanging?

>> No.13648687

>>13648663
For some, yes. For others it goes back to what it was in the nineties or turn of the century depending on when they were born. It's a great question to ask people talking to you about climate change reversal because they come up with really weird answers. Planting more trees is one you hear a lot too in between other more random pieces of assumption. Some say zero emissions but when asked how this would cause a reversal they look scared.

>> No.13648711

Wouldnt the massive infrastructure change need retarded amounts of oil to be used in a really short time? Would this damage even be reversible?

>> No.13648789

>>13648711
Emissions are also cooling the planet. The reduction in air traffic after 9/11 led to abnormal warming of a few degrees. It's the only brief period where we got a glimpse of what the world looks like without high levels of man made opacity cooling. Obviously it wasn't long enough or repeated often enough to be conclusive but it's far more dramatic. Some of the climate change preparation is to get people used to the warming which will take place in the absence of air travel.

>> No.13648821

Climate change is a conspiracy to deprive the white European of their native habitat.

Just give me a year with no temperatures above 30 celsius again. I miss that. I really fucking miss not seasonally being put in a fucking oven.

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>>13645526
Climate change is real and should be accelerated.

>> No.13648872

>>13645526
Thing is, even if you don't have an opinion, you can still act on lack of said opinion to try and treat your environment better. Even if we don't face a climate catastrophe, you want to protect your habit regardless, don't you anon?

>> No.13648875

>>13645526
Because the fact that climate change is real is common knowledge among civilised people. It's like if someone asks you whether the earth is flat. You don't say "I dunno" unless you're one of those retarded clowns who actually believe that the earth is flat.

>> No.13648928

>>13648875
The problem is that many civilisations have treated witches with the same commonly sourced knowledge and written legislation based on them too. An appeal to common knowledge is not the best configuration of facts or reality necessarily.
>>13648872
You're ignoring his question states he doesn't know enough to get involved in a discussion on it. For example: if asked if Australia should have more or less rabbits should you ask someone with a knowledge of invasive species and the habitat and natural fauna of Australia, or a six year old girl who likes rabbits? The chick who likes rabbits might think she's improving the environment and the rabbits' lives since Kanga and Rabbit got along rather well in the Hundred Acre Wood, which is basically Australia to her, but she also might not be the best person to speak on or enact policy with a coherent relationship to the actual problem.

>> No.13648942

Reminds me of how smoking was a politicised issue. Tough guys smoked. Gay liberals and women thought smoking would give you cancer. Cancer? My grandpa is 88 and has smoked since 14. Maybe only pussies and women get cancer.

The evidence for global warming caused by GHGs is about as strong as evidence for smoking causing cancer in the 1990s.

People are able to obfiscate this by pointing out that models have been wrong and x or y hasn't for prior theories. This is akin to studies being wrong about the relative risk factors of smoking. Smoking is still not good for the human body, the faliures in the science were on how much smoking predicts certain negative outcomes.

The bigger problem is that smoking will just hurt the person smoking, and maybe their kids it they are exposed to in door second hand smoke from an early age. GHG emissions will mostly hurt people born 1-3+ generations from now, and those living in the third world. So the incentives arent the same, nor the evidence as personal.

As to people claiming nothing can be done, this simply isn't true. You can meaningfully reduce carbon emissions and thus global warming and ocean acidification by switching to smaller, high efficiency vehicles. In America, Ford is literally stopping all car production because demand is only there for SUVs and trucks. A carbon tax would force people to switch to lowe emission vehicles.

What cracks me up most is that hybrid vehicles aren't seen as a cool technology, but are instead politicised. Hybrids are for girly faggots, even if they have the same horsepower. People are literally cucked into preferring less efficient, but similarly powerful vehicles that cost more money to run.

>> No.13649050

>>13648711
truth is we should ban cars for city dwellers, heavily rationing meat and switch to insects and rationing energy usage
basically we need an authoritarian global govt

>> No.13649088

>>13648928
I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying we should act as if the house was on fire regardless of whether or not it is actually true. Putting aside the wealth of evidence supporting it, why would you run the risk of ignoring the warnings of scientists? If their prophecy turned out to be false, its not as if the benefits to sustainable living are only a means to prevent climate change and nothing else.

>> No.13649453

>>13649088
>we should act as if the house was on fire regardless of whether or not it is actually true.
I think if you don't see the problem with this upon a few seconds reflection, you're going to be an enthusiastic and unaware saboteur of many things beyond your ken.

>> No.13649692

>>13648875

>truth is dictated by "common knowledge"

In nazi germany it was common knowledge that jews were inferior people and it would be utterly uncivilised to act differently.

>> No.13649703

>>13649088

by this same argument you should start going to church to avoid going to hell.

>> No.13649897

>Why is my friend rightfully skeptical of bullshit narratives peddled by the elites?
Meanwhile actual depletion of resources and ecological destruction is not talked about, because that can't be used as an excuse for more centralized global power.

>> No.13649925

>>13647079
What's with this fucking obsession with CO2?

>> No.13649934

>>13649897
>actual depletion of resources and ecological destruction is not talked about
what? I don't think you're paying much attention then

>> No.13649946

>>13649934
Nobody in the mainstream ever talks about peak oil, fossil fuels, basic minerals, that kind of stuff. If they talk about ecological destruction it's purely under the purview of climate change
i.e. climate change causes floods in certain regions which originates refugees so you better accomodate for Ahmed and his family, goy. Also eat bugs because meat causes even more CO2 emissions.
Somehow industrial society, world population and consumption have to keep growing indefinitely though.

>> No.13650031

>>13648190
>the problems are there, but are not due to climate change, but due to the same stuff that causes or is caused by climate change

Mate, what are you talking about?

>> No.13650058

>>13649453
>you're going to be an enthusiastic and unaware saboteur
I'm fully aware, thank you very much. Part of sustainable living is about dismantling certain aspects of industry and agriculture, breaking up the monopolistic hold that labour and production has over the value of the land. We should be treating our earth with delicacy and dignity regardless of whether man-made climate change is a thing or not.

>>13649703
except there's substantial evidence for man-made climate change, and also evidence as to why sustainable living should be something we should aim towards, regardless of whether or not climate catastrophe is approaching us. Meanwhile, christianity has a book with threatening images of eternal suffering. Climate change is almost certainly more likely than god

>> No.13650236

>>13645526
I can't believe no one in this thread has told you to read Deep Adaptation yet. That's the only thing you need to read about climate change.

>> No.13650268

>>13648260
>implying anyother solution that isnt a variation of genocide is going to fix anything

>> No.13650296

>>13645526
>I believe in it and we are at a point where we can't fix a damn thing

this is the only good answer, it makes them shut up about how we need to save the world, scientists have been talking about climate change since the 1950's and complaints about environmental pollution can be traced back to the industrial revolution

we are fucked, but hey, at least we enjoyed the benefits of it

>> No.13650320

>>13646293
Theres no evidence for a flat earth though. Everything they post end up being evidence that the earth is not flat.

>> No.13650347

>>13647775
Vision isnt wide enough to see any horizontal curvature but curvature in the direct distance is quite visible by anyone.

>or and number examples of forces and pauedo realities that the layman cannot dispute
Implying the flat earthers can prove such things? There is no reason to dispute schizophrenic conjecture.

>> No.13650349

>>13646293
Flat Earth isn't really that much political. Holocause deniers would make better example.

>> No.13650363

>>13649946
Do you pay attention to the media at all? Depletion of fossil fuels is massive news. Destruction of land from mining has also been a hot topic for over a decade.

>> No.13650398

>>13650349
I wouldn't use Holocaust deniers for that exact reason, in that I think even less people would bother to actually understand what it is I was trying to say. Even with the flat earth example there were plenty of anons who legitimately thought I was defending flat earth theory. The holocaust would be far worse for discussion.

>> No.13650579

>>13650031
The problems I cited would either a) still be happening if humans disappeared from the earth's timeline completely since they're necessary to the trade winds or tectonic structure of the planet or b) would still have happened if humans disappeared in the 1700s and never were heard of again. Saying either causes sudden climate change to a notable extent makes the period since the Neolithic rather hard to explain for its lack of change from the things I listed.

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>>13645526
How come, if the world is threatened with world ending catastrophe, green parties and leftists refuse to accept the necessary solutions to climate change? That includes a forced ceasing of Latin America's abuse of the Amazon (which would probably necessitate military mobilization) and mass sterilization of the exploding populations of Africa and India?
How come the Climate summits willfully exclude China and India from the same regulations, even though their controls are weaker, and if they become developed, they'll become the worst offenders in pollution, per capita and in volume?
How come the population controls are only being influenced in areas with sub replacement birth rates to begin with, and not in Africa, India, and Mexico?
Let's just grant, without a shadow of doubt, Climate Change is real and the most pressing threat to our world. Then why are the solutions both ephemeral and localized?

>> No.13650646

>>13650058
Fifty years ago you'd be telling me
>myxoma will fix the rabbit problem!

>> No.13650710

>>13648942
>Smoking is still not good for the human body, the faliures in the science were on how much smoking predicts certain negative outcomes.
Smoking can prevent certain kinds of cancer. We're also still fucking up cancer reporting, because without tobacco to blame, the increased rates of certain cancers in nonsmokers (especially lung cancer) are generally viewed as an underreporting of cigarette smoking. Antismoking lobbies have started to punt the theory that smoking does cause crossgenerational harms so that the grandfather you never met being a smoker can explain you getting cancer when neither you nor the rest of your family smokes. Big tobacco isn't even bothering to fight that bad science like they did before because they're behind vaping, the "healthy way to quit" lol

>> No.13651494

>>13646973
Where did he blame normies for caring?

>> No.13651619

>>13645526
I fucking hate people like OP
Almost always a person with average intelligence and holds a deep deep weakness about his opinions

>> No.13651625

>>13651619
Not everybody grew to be as arrogant as you.

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13651689

there was once a time when a european squirrel could swing from tree to tree all the way from spain to russia without touching the ground

apparently

>> No.13651746

>>13647272
Your post is pseudpressure at work.

>> No.13651824

>>13647869
This is a terrible argument and doesn't actually prove anything as >>13647887 said, you'd have done better to use the coriolis effect but most laymen don't know what that is either

>> No.13653026

>>13645526
Because you're a brainlet who doesn't understand how social interaction works.

Anyway, it genuinely baffles me 4chan has so many people who think climate change isn't happening, or isn't caused by humans. What attracts those people to 4chan? You can't find 'em anywhere else.

>> No.13653044

>>13648942
In some ways, it reminds me of the evolution debate in America. People will concede that small-scale adaptations can occur (after all, that's what animal breeding is), but adamantly refuse to accept that it can change a species.
Likewise, if you tell someone like this about how pumping tonnes of lead into the water supply is gonna kill everything, they'll believe you. But when you say that the entire climate can be changed by the same mechanism, they suddenly shut down.
It kinda reminds me when people thought you couldn't possibly drive an animal to extinction, because wouldn't that just be absurd?

>> No.13653047

>>13653026
What do you mean? 4chan is far-right, and the modern right consistently sucks corporate cock, meaning they buy into the shit that oil companies gud and environmental regulation is socialism.

>> No.13653053

>>13647206
I'm gonna take a guess and argue that it might be similar to what happened in Australia. Become get too comfortable and they don't want things to change, despite the fact that things can very much be better.

>> No.13653060

>>13650320
Look at a fucking ship it goes under the horizon retards these days

>> No.13653067

>>13650612
You ever heard of souverenity of a country and that you can't really make politics for other country's?

>> No.13653069

>>13645526
FUCK OFF ASSHOLE THIS IS NOT BOOKS

MODS
MODS
MODS

>> No.13653070

>>13653047
I dunno, I could see that being the case in a few of the second-world shitholes 4chan gets traffick from (Brazil and Russia), but everywhere else you'd be very hard pressed finding someone IRL who didn't believe in man-made climate change.

>> No.13653072

>>13653047

We still have a few socialists and commies on /lit/ unite!!!!!

>> No.13653076

>>13647206
They've already made the trade of
>i'll eat a big tax
>so that my country, as a whole, will be better, which is better for me
so they can make the further trade of
>i won't profit from the suffering of a few billion shitskins
>so that my planet, as a whole, will be better, which is better for me

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>>13653070
Mainstream rightwing politicians are climate change deniers. You're delusional.

>> No.13653080

>>13653077
not in my country (tm)
legit though I don't know what it's like in the states, I assumed most people still believed in climate change because otherwise a lot of people must have suddenly changed their minds just because of trump

>> No.13653088

>>13647067
Every single time this conversation comes up, people who aren't retarded enough to be outright denialists are just obsessed with:

A) Talking down to everyone else with literally nothing to back it up

>you probably have done fuck all research! XD

or,

B) Trying to shift the blame or impact like that doesn't change the overall damage it's doing to the planet.

No one cares how much smarter you are than the average twitter user, stop diverting the conversation.