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>democracy empowers selfishness. any political system based on desire is fundamentally flawed. society and life have been organized upon the basis of individual desires, not on what is good for nature

>> No.13637777

>>13637776
>good for nature
???

>> No.13637789

>>13637776
>Implying you can erase desire
>Implying a political system based on the desire of knowledge is not the best
Read Plato

>> No.13637819

>>13637776
>what is good for nature
Sounds like an even shittier way to organise a society.

>> No.13637827

>>13637789
>Republic convinced him democracy is best
brainlet

>> No.13637845

>>13637827
What? Where do you see in my post that I'm convinced that democracy is the best, you cretin ?

>> No.13637860

>good for nature
What are this cuck believes to appeal to nature in such dum way?

>> No.13637906

>>13637860
>committing the fallacy fallacy

>> No.13637929

>>13637776
>any political system based on desire is fundamentally flawed
If you make value judgments you have desire, no?

>society and life have been organized upon the basis of individual desires
More like have developed that way.

>not on what is good for nature
What is good for nature? What is even nature?

>democracy empowers selfishness
How come democratic nations score the highest on living standards, life expectancy, happiness and how come the poor in democratic nations are richer then the poor in undemocratic nations?

>> No.13637952

>>13637827
>>13637845
Well, Democracy *is* the best. Fyi.

>> No.13637961

>>13637789
i can't ask OP this, since it's a quote from an idiot, but i'm having trouble understanding what do you mean when you say "desire" ?

>> No.13637969

>>13637906
No I'm curious about his worldwide philosophy so I can understand what he meant by good nature.

>> No.13637984

>>13637961
Any political system must account for the desire of people because desire is at the core of existence, as explained by Plato in the Republic. Each of the three part of the soul has a specific desire, the highest being the desire for knowledge. A good political system will have at its core the concern for the desire of knowledge.

>> No.13638173

>>13637984
you... you just now started reading philosophy didn't you ? like... The republic is your first book, and you come here, all elitist thinking "heh, there were no developments made in political science in the past 3000 years since plato, so his thoughts still stands"... fucking Aristotle's politics btfo plato's republic you fucking mongrel. And don't even get me started in this highschool level of interpretation on his tripartite of the soul. That is sad. FUCK! Summer lit is the worst.
I came looking for a dialogue and will leave afraid for the future of humanity.

>> No.13638192

>>13637952
stupid tripfag

>> No.13638231

Excellent reasoning as yo why Communism cannot work, both in theory and principle. Good show, op.

>> No.13638239

>>13638173
Why so mad? I wanted to give a simple answer to the question that was asked of me. Now, everything I said is strictly found in the Republic, so I don't really see where you find anything wrong with my post.

>> No.13638291

>implying democracy empowers selfishness so much as the selfish empower democracy

>> No.13638309

>>13637789
>read my ancient fascist pedophile to understand democracy

>> No.13638455

>>13638309
Plato makes a pretty sound observation of democracy's biggest flaws (namely the "liberty" it lies upon) to be quite honest with you family

>> No.13638528

>>13637952
I wish we could vote for you to leave.

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13638617

>>13637952
for promoting mediocricy, will to slave and life denying cuckery in the name of "equallity for all", "common good" and "reduce overall sufering"?
Well no, for that we have socialism, communism or even the the syndicalist anarchism.
>>13637776
>democracy empowers selfishness.
Lmao, what is this nigga smoking? The mentality from which Democracy sprang was the weak's desire for "equality" or unselfishness in the superficial sense.

>> No.13638619

>>13637952
Oh great, now I can't believe in democracy anymore

>> No.13638625

>>13637789
>desire of knowledge
>plato
Go place your "true world of forms" up your ass with that pre-christian mentality fag. If anything he was the one who more contribuited for the shit John Green praises

>> No.13638646

>>13638625
If you imply that Plato doesn't advocate the superiority of that specific desire over the others you're pretty retarded my man. Now, please tell me how Plato has anything to do with that faggot Green.

>> No.13638666

>>13637776
democracy empowers term-time politicians who use their power in office to shore up the projects and policies that most benefits them and their associates, while trying to leave as few scraps as possible for whoever might come next. I haven't read it in a while but I remember Land describes democracy in The Dark Enlightenment as a kind of becoming-zombie. There is no such thing as a man of the people, there is only the man of his pride who wants to eat all the brains before anyone else can.

>> No.13638685

>>13637952
As long as only property holders can vote and the national bank isn’t privatized.

>> No.13638800

>>13638646
Plato and his "objectivity" and world of forms bullshit was the doutrine that helped christianity the most. Which then then christian evolved into what you see now of the "humanist" mentality that is basically the same thing.
In other words:
Plato -> Christianity -> "Humanism" -> Green's superfecial idea

>> No.13638817

>>13638800
Slippery slope, Plato is far from a humanist and is certainly not responsible for the faggotry of Green and the like.