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>/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General
>>Let's read real books
>>What are you currently reading that isn't webtrash?

>Monthly Reading for August: Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany

>Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP


>Science Fiction:

>NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:

>SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:


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>> No.13613688

I'm reading Cugel saga through the dying earth, are a lot of Jack Vance's stories written like this? It's fun, but unusual.

>> No.13613692

You had one job nigger

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The pacing on this is fucking glacial, I'm exactly halfway through but I've read 200 page books that managed to cover more plot by their midpoint. It's alright but I wonder if it got hyped for the length

Also it's pretty fucking derivative, so far we've already done prison, a ringwraith chase and a journey through a haunted old castle.

>> No.13613699

Purple prose

>> No.13613705

On a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you rank the SJWness?

>> No.13613715

Yeah, Cugel and Rhialto the Marvellous are pretty random. It's all about the prose and dry humor, the plot is almost secondary. Good stuff though.

>> No.13613722

there's two main women in it so far and they're both competent, also there's a background plot where gypsies are probably being put in concentration camps and that's presented as bad so maybe you guys won't like that.

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>What are you currently reading that isn't webtrash?
The monthly reading of course!

>> No.13613725

Lame. None of these are inherently bad and can be written well.

>> No.13613727

More than 2 povs (excluding interludes or single use ones) has a pretty low success rate from what I've read

>> No.13613728

I would say all Vance's works are like that, and even those of almost all classic SFF writers. They were forced by the market to write that way, which is why i have a hard time enjoying old authors.

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I know. I did it to teach thread cunt a lesson about punctuality. Or maybe I'm phone posting and got too lazy to remove all those >

>> No.13613744

Multiple POVs are only used to pad out the wordcount. Any good story from 1 POV can be told in 60.000-80.000 words.
But try to find a publisher who would sell fantasy novels this short...

>> No.13613754

>Forced by the market
Nah that's just how based Vance wrote. He pretty much redefined the market.

>> No.13613773

I don't think there's something necessarily wrong with a book that doesn't cover a lot of plot. I think Titus Groan is the classic example of a fantasy story with almost no uniting plotline, but it works because it instead spends its time developing its world and characters and bouncing them off each other in sequence. It's built like a spiderweb, with a lot of interconnected small interactions instead of one grand design, and that's still compelling because there's a fundamental coherency to the structure. If a story sucks it's not because there isn't enough in the plot, it's because it's written poorly.

>> No.13613775

I love it when POV changes include the same lines of dialogue.

>> No.13613777

>Ron Paul in Sydney
This sure is fiction alright

>> No.13613780

It really was the market though. The average author had to write one novel and a handful of stories each year, otherwise he would fail to build (or keep) an audience. In such an environment, plot and structure are secondary, and your novel is nothing but a series of random encounters that pile up until they fill 200 pages.

>> No.13613807

Do not change POV in the same fucking scene.
Looking at you Dan Brown...

>> No.13613817

Retards shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

>> No.13613828

I hope you're not mistaking third-person POV for first-person.

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Read it. It's pretty good. Only slightly Sci-Fi though, without spoilering it.

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>> No.13613874

The Sirens of Titans had an interesting spin on it. Same person but different POV due to memory-washing

>> No.13613877

Even 3rd-person POV should stay inside just one characters head, it gets really annoying when it starts bouncing around everyones thoughts in one scene.

>> No.13613883

Oh fuck, disregard the last reply. For some reason I thought POV was switching character perspective in the story.

>> No.13613889

>reading chris wooding

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>> No.13613964

Thoughts on The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant?

>> No.13613975

Yeah but this isn't Titus Groan, it's a pure action book the author just spends way too long on each action sequence.

Like them going through this castle thing takes 3 days in story but one of them is only relevant as the characters wasting time, has 2 instances of character revelation/development and about 3 mini setpieces and it takes fucking forever to go through.

Just looking quickly at the book it spans from chapters 32 to 45 which is 125 pages of the book version for something a decent author would cover in maybe 40-50 pages.

It's either underedited or deliberately being kept long to be marketed as an epic fantasy lol

>> No.13613981

It's good and pays off amazingly but I can't guarantee you'll make it that far.
You need to know that the protagonist is an utter malcontent going in and accept that or you won't make it through

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>book is 1st person POV

>> No.13614095 [DELETED] 

This might be more of a /sci/ question but if I wanted to write a story where there is a region on a planet with permanent night, is that even physically possible? I know tidal locking doesn't work that way, and there really is no "dark side of the moon."

>> No.13614101

Reading Islands in the Net.
Wasn't expecting a story from the pov of someone cool with the corps taking over the world.

>> No.13614177

Yes. They are more successful or less, but once you've caught the Vance voice -- a wry mannered wink, maybe -- you'll see it in much of his work. It's playful. Lyonesse is great because it's fairy tale more than high fantasy. Planet of Adventure was fun due to tone and a series of setups and payoffs more than any depth or plot. Araminta Station the same but elevated due to the delightful addition of its passive-aggressive sub-race, the Yips.

I think 4chan probably has the highest concentration of potential Vance fans you're going to find. I'm saying this to comment on him rather than on 4chan, if that makes sense. But tldr if you like Cugel you're likely to find something to enjoy in his other works.

>> No.13614205

It's superbly rich and superbly derivative at the same time. Like someone who tried to do a knockoff and was too creative. I read it when I was young and still remember many scenes and settings from the first two Chronicles. The Sunbane, Saltheart Foamfollower, the Bloodguard, Nom. Maybe it's just good '70's grit.

Recommend you power through the first one. From there decide. The unique elements grow through the series rather than being lazied out as is usually the case. If, having read the first you want more of that you'll get it. If you don't then safely drop.

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is based

>> No.13614311

>go to wuxiaworld
>read random "recent updates" chapter titles

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Anyone read this yet?

>> No.13614364

Is it good?
Good to know. Bumping Lyonesse up on my to-read list. I'll add that Cugel fans would probably like Prince of Fools. Say what you will about Mark Lawrence or grimderp or whatever, the protagonists are basically a carbon copy of Cugel teamed up with your typical s&s barbarian. Good banter and bad situations made worse by his own cowardly decisions. Obviously not on Vance's level, but few are.
>OMG carnelian light lol
God, that book was a chore. The cringey rape element was unironically the best part of the plot.

>> No.13614402

Girl Next Door Ripening

>> No.13614415

Why do serious people think science fiction is the lowest form of writing?

>> No.13614417

because any enjoyment of anything is beneath them

>> No.13614434

Because they're retards. They don't even know most scientists grew up reading science fiction; even the "low brow" sci-fi of someone like Edgar Rice Burroughs. Here's Carl Sagan himself praising Burroughs' Mars series.


>> No.13614467

Is it because Science is a newer phenomenon and it will need more time to produce a Shakespeare or something? I've always wondered this.

>> No.13614478

people are stoopid

>> No.13614483

Because it is. It's still enjoyable, but it is to literature what video games are to art

>> No.13614521

because they are pretentious subhumans

>> No.13614594

I gave The Wandering Inn a go. I can't believe you people played me like that

>> No.13614615

Why bother?! That's a trash list.

>> No.13614643

I'm at the end of book 3 and can't stop.

>> No.13614644

Some do it to shill.
Some do it to troll.
No one does it because it's worthwhile.

>> No.13614647

I heard it has gender fluids in it which makes me glad I dropped red rising when they starting singing as a form of protest

>> No.13614652

Webnovels are for people too dumb and uninterested in pirating anything actually good.

Webnovels are like Runescape.

>> No.13614661

honestly, I'm not sure why I'm so reticent to it. My writing isn't much different. I just get this kneejerk reaction when I read it.

>> No.13614676

>My writing isn't much different.
Better set up a patreon and copy them then and rake in that sweet, sweet, cash.

>> No.13614710

Yeah the writer of wandering inn is at 8.8k$/month now.

>> No.13614716

eh, programming pays better. I'd prefer to be published

>> No.13614728

should i read the wasp factory next or begin the codex alera series?

>> No.13614734

they've got a lot of intelligence, wisdom, and experience you don't understand. instead of reading science fiction which is contrary to basic observable universal principles they read xianxia to live in accord with dao

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>something completely unrelated pays better

>> No.13614736

>I'd prefer to be published
Being published in the SFF genre doesn't even get you that much unless you're in the top 1 percent of authors. As a newly published author you'd be lucky to make even a quarter of that.

>> No.13614741

Telegram chat?

>> No.13614742

>Is it good?
Interesting enough, it starts a bit slow but then stuff really happens. Depends on how it ends though.

>> No.13614761

> programming pays better
Not for most programmers.

>> No.13614762

Save yourself from codex alera and read something fun.

>> No.13614773

>Wasp Factory
It's like Watership Down 2: Electric Boogaloo

>> No.13614829

alrighty ill go with codex alera . thanks anon!

>> No.13614862

Eye of the World any good?

>> No.13614869

lotr clone

>> No.13614876

Series doesn't really start and get good until book 2.

>> No.13614888

I haven't read either so that won't bother me

>> No.13614901

Saying this as one of the few people around here that doesn't outright hate the series, do you really want to read a 14 book series?
At least 6 of which are trash and even the good ones are sloggy.
It was a decent series to grow up with but wouldn't recommend it to anyone these days.

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>> No.13615102

I'm actually enjoying Cradle at the moment.
Just wanted to keep you guys updated.

>> No.13615116

I cut my nails earlier. Just wanted you guys to know.

>> No.13615122

Men chew their nails off.

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>just one more chapter

>> No.13615191

What book are you on?

>> No.13615200

because they are faggots
they usually also write science fiction/fantasy but then call it "speculative fiction"

may we laugh at them

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Daily reminder that you can only post about a book if you have read it.

>> No.13615318

based chinkshitposter

>> No.13615325

remove that harry potter book from there

>> No.13615329

You should have stayed on the retard train until MC gets cucked by his rival.

>> No.13615331

I have read enough of The Methods of Rationality to not only know it's shit but also entertain thoughts of suicide.

>> No.13615338

Let's just say I had just taken a cursory glance at its cover, does that qualify?

>> No.13615344

What is it about anyway? Is it just like one of those youtube videos picking some movie, series or book apart?

>> No.13615354

I think it's Harry Potter rewritten with Harry being as autistic as the fans.

>> No.13615355

imagine the snarkiest, most psuedo intellectual redditor and insert that personality into harry for the first book (I think it's just the first one, I gave up very early)

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It's a piece of Harry Potter fanfiction wherein Petunia marries and scientist and Harry is raised as some polymath Ubermensch. It does try to pick apart the "magic system" of the books but does so in a way that will have you pacing around the room inbetween paragraphs while the second-hand embarrassment dissipates.

>> No.13615364

Fuck, it's written like a script as well? Why would anyone subject themselves to such a thing?

>> No.13615374

No, I pulled this off tvtropes because it is indicative of the work. The actual fic is regular, serviceable prose, even if the author does have an annoying propensity for em dashes.

>> No.13615376

>Readning anything but non-fiction

>> No.13615402

Oh, that's a slight relief then. Still autistic as fuck.
I'm also amused given how often I hear "rational" atheists insist scientists always accept evidence at the expense of their theories, but there he's insisting something that just happened is impossible.

>> No.13615403

But gormenghast is shit.
Your opinion has been discarded.

>> No.13615409

Harry also rejects the notion that what she did was magic, a poorly defined concept, and states she must be a god, a different, just as poorly defined concept.

>> No.13615414

It's shit and the author repeating phrases ad nauseam made me want to kill something.

>> No.13615422

What was it, "Leper, outcast, unclean!"

>> No.13615676

Okay fags, I just noticed that I forgot to cancel my Audible subscription and can still get 6 audio books for """free""""
Recc me some good fantasy that is available on Audible pls

>> No.13615730

The science in the book is correct, and anyone who says otherwise keeps failing to provide a counter-example.
This is a huge misinterpretation of the passage. He clearly was shaken by his world-view being shattered and the book highlights the very human incredulity. Later, he is frustrated at her explanation by "magic" rather than the event itself.

>> No.13615813

wrong thread bud

>> No.13615815

Reading Wheel of Time, I am at book 5.
Really I don't think the series is great, many characters are annoying and unrealistic and the chosen one story also isn't great.
But at least it's easy to read, good after a day at work.

>> No.13615819

Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy (Stephen Fry narrated one)
Lies of Locke Lamora

>> No.13615824

Don't read past 6, 2-6 is where the series peaks, it's mostly downhill from there. It starts picking up around 11 but then Sanderhack takes over and it goes to shit all over again

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In what order should I read these?

>> No.13615834

You were told to ignore.

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Worm has some good moments buts it's heinously bloated

>> No.13616015

Is malazan any good? I've heard conflicting things about it. I don't want to read it if it's just some random guys OC universe for his D&D campaign.

>> No.13616019

You can read them in any order really. Left Hand of Darkness, Word for World is Forest and Dispossessed are loosely (very loosely) related.

>> No.13616022

i wouldnt say they are trash, if you like world building and characters they're fine but the plot definitely drags

>> No.13616029

Human writers are now obsolete.
I just tested out an AI story generator.
Costs $0.10 per 1,000 words which is about 2 pages. I bought $1 as a test. That's 20 pages. It's a lot more expensive than humans, but it's worth it for the extreme customization and personalization. You always know what you're going to get and you don't have to waste time and on money on trying to find stuff you'll like.
To start off, you select from an assortment of tags. For this experiment I chose, "LitRPG, Harem, Sex, Dungeons, Town Building".
I was not disappointed! Each 2 page increment allows you to decide what happens next. That way I'm both the writer AND the reader! As a bonus, you're allowed to sell the story you created!

>> No.13616031

can i read any of these out of order? or do i need to follow a particular path?

>> No.13616056

Post text examples

>> No.13616184

I can't wait for perfect VR with a story-telling super AI to weave plots.

>> No.13616240

Even if you only like 0.001% of books and only had a goal of reading 0.001% of that, that's still far too many for a lifetime.

>> No.13616252

You still have several decades left to wait.

>> No.13616261

When I was a child I believed that I was born too late.
When I was an adolescent I believed that I was born at the right time.
As an adult I know that I was born many millennia too early.

>> No.13616268

Is this how Arrand releases one book per month?

>> No.13616270

They're all independent stories, you'll just be missing some background and context if you read them out of order.

>> No.13616282

Maybe if you include shitty webnovels

>> No.13616292

I can't wait for functional cryogenics so I'll actually be alive when perfect VR becomes available.

>> No.13616295

If you read his books, his MCs for the most part are the same but in different settings, a horny man looking to cum deep in some wet cunny. It's not hard to write when you have your priorities straight.

How was dungeons deposed 3? Did he try to write harem shit again, or did he focus on his story?

>> No.13616300

But that implies you have the tens of thousands - hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for their services. Are you some bitcoin millionaire?

>> No.13616306

I just made this up. Certainly could easily exist with current technology though. Maybe it does actually somewhere.

>> No.13616318

What is it that draws you to scifi and fantasy so much ?

>> No.13616320

I am hoping that I can sell all my organs and limbs and get myself a torso-sized VR submersion pod if I sell all my rights and let them use me as a test subject for experiments.

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>> No.13616327

It's more that reality and realism push me away.

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still being worked on. There will be a closeup of the head, showing a deformed robo-skull inside.

A living machine built with the rare functioning parts of its stillborn siblings.

>> No.13616332

cryogenics is like 30K my dude

>> No.13616335

Vicarious experience of that which is not possible in this reality, or at least, in this lifetime.

>> No.13616345

>budget cryogenics
whew, may as just throw yourself in a commercial freezer.

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>> No.13616372

/SFFG/ - Shitposting Friends Forever General

>> No.13616392

How is talking about cryogenics, VR and how shitty reality is not perfectly suited for a fantasy and science-fiction general?

>> No.13616439

I don't have to deal with people and their bullshit in reality. I just have to deal with them in fiction. At least in fiction I can drop the drama and walk away anytime without consequences.

>> No.13616448

It's got some thicc thighs. Is it's purple vag super tight? That looks like it can take a good slamming.

>> No.13616449


Im reading it and Ive no idea whats going on.
The prose is allright though.

>> No.13616454

The reason Malazan got so big was because when it was released, most books handheld you so tightly that it got annoying. Malazan just drops you in and you figure shit out. If you are a brainlet that can't retain information and need books to handhold you, just drop it.

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>> No.13616473

4 halfway

>> No.13616498

Are you that anon that was on the underwater binge?

>> No.13616509

No, sorry

>> No.13616521

Tyrion=Aery's bastard
Daario=Brightfyre descendant
Griff=Blackfyre descendant

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>> No.13616570

give me your best conspiracy recs

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Fanfics aren't books, and this isn't a fanfiction general. Please see >>13613675

As if liking Harry Potter isn't faggy enough, you brainlets actually discuss the merits of its fanfiction. YIKES!
Kek. You just gave those 2 litrpg fags boners

>> No.13616587

Big story reveal at the end. Like the last quarter is just big plot plot plot plot

>> No.13616599

new to sci fi, reading dune for the first time, so far im liking it alot but the protagonist Paul/Muad'dib is someone flat to me, i understand that being a mentat might lead to a less interesting character since theyre more computer like, but thufir hawat and even pitir were mentats with more personality than him.
does he ever gain more charisma or charm or are we supposed to appreciate his situation and and how he responds to it?

>> No.13616610

>Dwelling beside a body of water is tonic for the weary psyche. Sea smells, sea birds, seawrack, sands - alternately cool, warm, moist and dry - a taste of brine and the presence of the rocking, slopping bluegraygreen spit-flecked waters, has the effect of rinsing the emotions, bathing the outlook, bleaching the conscience.

>> No.13616657

Read the first book and find out if you like it.

>> No.13616671

>Ulysses isn't a book

>> No.13616680

Do you enjoy fantasy races in your novels anon ?
Personally I think they're ok as long as the author does something new with them and doesn't just follow the basic tropes for elves live in trees and dwarves inside mountains.

>> No.13616687


I like what George RR Martin did with dwarfs where they aren't exactly a race like in Tolkien but more along the lines of a genetic birth defect.

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It's Based and Lifepilled (Formerly Blackpilled)

>> No.13616724

Post SHORT examples of your own purple prose you think is good.

>> No.13616762

The party that I would later refer to as the "Barbecue of the Revelation" took place on an ordinary summers night. I can recall the mix of sensations I experienced at the exact instant we all looked up at the sky. The aroma of brisket being pulled from the smoker and the thud of it hitting the wet grass after the self-appointed grillmaster dropped it in shock. The faint whine of mosquitoes mingling with the constant wails of crickets. The feeling of the label on my beer, damp and cool from the sweating bottle, peeling under my tightening grip to reveal smooth glass beneath. The rivulets of the liquid trickling down the back of my throat, ghost of my most recent swig of cold porter. The joints in my neck cracking as I rapidly turned my gaze skyward. The sounds of conversations being aborted and replaced with gasps. Shouts of rapt, horrified wonder at the sight: the appearance of the great, prismatic, pupil-less iris of a cosmic eye, outshining the moon and the stars as it undulated in the blue-black veil of the sky that chased off the last of the sunset.

>> No.13616786


Härkäniemen ympäriltä ja parran lähettyviltä oli nyt savunhurstia jo löyhennetty niin paljon ja puhallettu palloiltaan kiirimään loitommalle ilman paksuvilla salissa, että miehen alkoi taaskin eroittaa sakean keskeltä ja arvata hankkeista, että sieltäkin käsin kohta alkaisi kuulua jotakin. Sen olisi jo kyllä varhemminkin voinut ymmärtää ja mielessään päätellä, jos kellään olisi ollut muilta järjenpinnistyksiltä aikaa ajatuksiansakin viljelemään, sillä niin pölläviltään oli kuitenkin jo kotvan aikaa savun villaa rakennettu makkaroimaan ilman kuormiksi niille seuduin salia, missä Härkäniemen piippu oli toimessa, että semmoista ei tapahtunut Härkäniemellekään, niin vahva tupakkamies kuin hän tunnetusti olikin, muulloin kuin joko silloin, kun suu pitkän pärnäämisen päälle ja kymmenen virstan jutun jälkeen tarvitsi hyvitystä kestettyyn savupaastoon, taikka silloin kun täytyi poskia varustella vastaisen varalta ja ajatella, että laistolla en kumminkaan kerkiä itseäni muonaamaan, niin muonaan nyt! Koska siis Härkäniemi nyt oli ollut pitemmän aikaa sanapuolena – ja hän piti leukaansa yhtä mielellään levossa kuin sitä viljelikin viljelemään ruvettua! – niin nykyiset savupilvet hänen kohdallansa sohvanpäätä olisivat tihuvuutensa vuoksi jo varhemmin selvästi ja ilman tunnustelemisia opettaneet, ettei ollut säpsähdettävä, vaikka Härkäniemikin kohta sanoisi jotain.

>> No.13616883

fuck adverbs

>> No.13616895

Stop samefagging. No one wants to read your writing. This isn't the critique general.

>> No.13616900

I like it. I didn't use to, but now I do.

>> No.13616910

Are there good novels where a female protag gets a monsterboy harem with a lot of romance?
asking for a friend

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I do as long as there are no dwarves or elves. I prefer stories with one race though, unless having multiple races becomes a larger part of the narrative.

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>it has gender fluids in
What is this world coming to?

>> No.13617017


Watts tried it and it's not serviceable at the moment.

>> No.13617062

I like fallout games, any recommendations for reading that have similar kind of feel to them?

>> No.13617074

Anita Blake

>> No.13617077

how bad will the new Dune adaptation be

>> No.13617085

grimdark can be good faggot

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Silo series by Hugh howey maybe?
Metro series by Dmitry Glukhovsky if you're up for a more Russian experience.
There's also a whole genre dedicated to describing the right before, during and the aftermath of various apocalyptic scenarios (nukilar exchange, viral outbreaks, alien invasion, zombies, etc.) - sadly, most of that is badly written.

>> No.13617092

It's going to be glorious and we are all going to be blown away by it, just like BR2049

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>> No.13617165

holy shit it would be so cool if he actually uses AI generated text for some characters in his book. we would have to wait several years for it to come out though

>> No.13617258

We are going to wait several years anyway.

>> No.13617333

I'm going through a reader's block . Please anons recommend me something that will get me out of it

>> No.13617357

Red Rising

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>> No.13617367

/sffg/, I just realized that this cool villain I planned out has no personality or emotional complexity to it. I had a villain before who was more complex and despicable but I dropped him because he was a paper-thin political allegory that didn't fit the tone of the story

>> No.13617376

Damnation Alley by Roger Zelazny

>> No.13617380

give him a psychological weakness (harms himself) in addition to his moral weakness

>> No.13617385

Dragonlance Legends

>> No.13617392

The Once and Future King

>> No.13617438

weakness is a big theme of the story, especially for the main character who's the weakest person in his group. I was considering making the villain someone who takes advantage of people's insecurity and sense of powerlessness and uses it to direct their anger to his purposes. It's only when the MC realizes he's been lied to that he turns against it.

The thing was, it actually worked as political commentary, but it fucked with the tone I wanted for my setting. Maybe I could change that though.

The whole deal with the villains in the setting is there's a handfull of factions at war and the villains of the story are actually the weakest faction, but the most unstable and dangerous. I'm wondering how I can play on this to keep the villain I want and the villain I need

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Imagine having opinions such as that and sharing them without shame or restraint

>> No.13618023

So like dwarves irl?

>> No.13618417

>I heard it has gender fluids
There's none of that
So you believe random bullshit without proof?
Good thing you stick to your childish self insert shit then, adult books are too much for you apparently

>> No.13618430

>calling someone else childish because they don’t like your YA series

>> No.13618432

It was great, but be aware, will trigger you if you need an MC who never loses

>> No.13618434

>be angry someone insults you
cry about it more reddit kun

>> No.13618584

We're 11 days into August.
What new releases did you get, or what are you expecting to be released?

>> No.13618591

Kind of a dwarf/neanderthal hybrid

>> No.13618634

Grimdark is based tho
It's posts like this that make me wonder if I'm the only one here over the age of 15

>> No.13618642

Grimderp is gay and queer.

>> No.13618750

>Grimdark is based tho

>> No.13618777

Oof, sounds like it's a pass then. I don't mind MCs losing but it sounds like he'll be losing to that little twerp Lysander, that's a no for me.

>> No.13618779

Is there a website similar to novelupdates but for western books, where you can search with more specific tags other than 'fantasy or sci-fi'?

>> No.13618807

Naw. We only have goodreads which uses readers tags, not official.

>> No.13618918

I'm half way through black sun rising.
This shit sucks.

>> No.13618944

Go back to reading sanderson

>> No.13618948

I was actually thinking about that earlier. What a great fucking book, the author nailed internal thoughts real fucking well, not to mention the entire plot revolving around a priest traveling with the fallen top figurehead of his religion who has to perform loopholes in order to help others.

>> No.13618949

To the anon that wanted tower climbing books a few months ago. Try speedrunner by adam something.

>> No.13618952

I actually read that story not long ago. It was okay but didn't lead anywhere exciting enough for me to care about its impending sequel.

>> No.13618965

What do you do after you've read all the good Fantasy and Sci-fi books? And I do mean all of them.

>> No.13618982

read the bad ones

>> No.13618984

Kill yourself, because you are delusional to believe you even scratched the surface.

>> No.13618995

I guarantee you any good Fantasy and Scifi book you can think of I have read.

>> No.13619013

How new do you think I am?
Using reverse psychology for recommendations won't work on me anon. We are not all readlets and brainlets in this general.

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>> No.13619018

>can't up with anything I haven't read so he just gives up

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It's my favorite fantasy series of all time. So unique and boy does it heighten and prolong the tension until it's unbearable and when it finally comes to a head, there's nothing like it. The Gap Cycle (sci-fi) is somewhat in the same vein and highly recommended.
Anyone read The War Within yet? Thoughts? (no spoilers plz)

>> No.13619026

Why do I feel somebody gets buggered frequently in this novel?

>> No.13619031

>thinks I will give him recs and let him think his little reverse psychology game worked

>> No.13619033

Just admit you can't think of anything.

>> No.13619035

/sffg/, I'm struggling to find a way to make my villain interesting. I want to base him on a real person, but the person I want to base him on has such a distinctive personality it's going to be a paper-thin allegory and I want to be a bit more subtle

>> No.13619051

I have a lot, but I don't want to let you feel you've won. Maybe in a few threads you can ask properly and I will give suggestions. Otherwise fug off with your weak mind games.

>> No.13619056

>I can't think of anything so it must be a mindgame

>> No.13619057

No. One. Cares.
Come back when you have a book for us to read.

>> No.13619062

>implying what you'd accept any of the suggestions
>implying that you'd actually read any of the suggestions you accept

>> No.13619066

You can reply to this and have the last word. I'm done giving you (you)s. You probably living a sad existence because it's Saturday night and you are trying to mindgame total strangers on the internet into giving you things so you won't feel so alone and useless.

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Sword & Sorcery is sexy.

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Sharing an interesting YA book I read recently. Reminded me of a mix of The Giver and Divergent with a fantasy element thrown into the mix. Not the best thing I've ever read but the premise was interesting.

>> No.13619088

I think you replied to the wrong post.

>> No.13619104

Just dropping the reader into a world is terrible writing. Your reasoning reminds me of justifications for terrible game design (just git gud). Malazan is just bad because it's empty escapism written in a convoluted way. So only brainlets thinking that they're smarter than they are like it. Don't bother with it. Read something worthily reading instead.

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Ehat in the fuck...

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>mfw derps think badly done in medias res style is a higher tier of writing

>> No.13619170

I surely didn't.

>> No.13619193

World of Warcraft Classic in 16 days

>> No.13619211

Uncrowned in October. Get hyped

>> No.13619240
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Conan and the Living Plague

>> No.13619243

No, that series has quickly gone to shit.

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>> No.13619256

>the author nailed internal thoughts real fucking well
Its not good at all. The author does way too much of this its done with very little art. It's like a treatise on the characters' insecurities and shortcomings. Every page is full of self doubt and mediocrity that everyone is constantly wallowing in. Its a very cool setting, and it should be an enjoyable adventure, but it feels almost like the author is afraid of having fun.
But why?

>> No.13619443

how do I make a general grevious-esque god of the dead into an interesting villain?

>> No.13619483

Give him a background instead of just hurr god of death xd
Has he always been the god of death, does he enjoy it, does he get power from it, does he only do it because someone must be the god of death or else something bad happens if not o e picks up

>> No.13619491

Curse my fat fingers and this small cellphone, wanted to delete something and somehow oressed post instead. Anyway you get the idea. I don't mean to make him some comedic relief guy like Terry Pratchett's Death, but give him some motivation, a personality or whatever.

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Coldfire is based. Gerold Tarrant is 100% /ourguy/
Nah homie. Read something besides Malazan. There's good and bad in any genre except for litrpg and chinkshit

>> No.13619740

Any recommendations?

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For sexy S&S? If you want a story where the author is clearly putting his fetishes on full display without it being TOO degenerate then check out the Bloodsong series by C. Dean Andersson. I've only read the first book, Warrior Witch of Hel, but a good chunk of the story is dedicated to a female character being chained and tortured throughout the entire novel. Also Quorthon from Bathory dedicated a song to the author so that's kinda neat if you're a fan.

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There's also the notorious Conan story Xuthal of the Dusk (The Slithering Shadow) that pretty much created the formula of 'half-naked barbarian with half-naked female companion battling Lovecraftian monster' that you see in countless paintings and drawings. What makes it notorious is an S&M scene involving two ladies that Howard included because he desperately wanted Weird Tales to buy the story and maybe even turn that scene into the cover art (which Weird Tales did kek).

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can I ask, what are some books about virtual worlds, cyberspace, virtual reality, and things like that? Stuff like Otherland, Ready Player One, etc?

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Neuromancer if prose and ambience are your thing, Snow Crash if you appreciate satire and eerily accurate predictions of the way the 2000s have turned out thus far.

>> No.13619878

You write your own.

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>> No.13619999

>eerily accurate
Surely this is a jest

>> No.13620025

I refuse to read anything by that fag

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Oh shit niggaz, for once you are not talking about fantasy.

Simulacron-3 by Daniel Galouye. It was loosely adapted for a movie called 13th Floor (worth a watch).
There's also a few YA(ish) novels that are suspiciously similar to Ready Player Gay.
One is The Eye of Minds by James Dashner (the writer of the Maze Runner series). The other is Erebos by Ursula Poznanski.
Unlike Simulacron-3 I have not read these so your mileage may vary.
There's also a boatload of litrpgays based on VR but those are all uniformly horrible and should be avoided.

>> No.13620038

>Snow Crash if you appreciate satire and eerily accurate predictions of the way the 2000s
Nigga wat?

>> No.13620044

The echo-genomics joke just clicked for me last week. I think I've read color of magic/light fantastic over 20 times during the last 10 years

>> No.13620113

Don't base it on a person.

Write down a list of objectives.
Write down the sum of knowledge, and known/unknown information.
Then work on scenario: a run down of plot
and THEN work on the character.

>> No.13620222

Shadow is very good. I am enjoying this a lot.

>> No.13620246

I bought The Poppy War recently apparently it has rape of nanking levels of brutality. Opium is used for magic and the main character nuked her womb. It's pretty based.

>> No.13620492

The sequel came out this year.

>> No.13620628

Who /horror/ here?

I want some legitimately spooky books that still affect a comfortable atmosphere. Haunted houses and the like.

>> No.13620650

The burrow

>> No.13620682

The synopsys sounds pretty edgy, on top of being pretty formulaic.>>13620246

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What's his hackiest moment in ASOIAF? I'm going with the 3500 mountain clansmen that magically appeared to give stannis a boost

>> No.13620845

Are there any fantasy series that borrow the idea of "a group of poor people, maybe one of whom can do a little bit of magic, decide they don't want to be poor anymore, and sneak into a hole full of terrifying monsters to steal their shit so they don't have to work on the farm" from old school D&D, without being a direct parody of D&D?

>> No.13620855

Just go for it, anon. Trump makes a fine villain.

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>> No.13621024
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Basically this but I make an exception for dwarves.
Love those motherfuckers

>> No.13621026

Undying Mercenaries is modern pulp kino.
Based McGill creature fucking all the women and killing the alien scum.

>> No.13621054

What is it about dwarves that you love ?
I personally love fey and elves more

>> No.13621063

I do, if they serve some sort of purpose. Tolkien's Elves and Dwarfs were interesting and especially the elves really helped punch home the "days of fading wonder" effect the books have. I'm really sick of fantasy books were elves are just tree-hugging hippies who live a really long time. Tolkien's elves felt fucking ancient, like their age actually mattered. Hell, even the Elvish word for "year" meant 144 years for us.

>> No.13621084

It's difficult to put into words.
Perhaps it's because metalworking is one of my own hobbies, perhaps it's because the only thing they fear is having too much blood in their alcohol stream, but overall It might be because the idea of a bunch of attack midgets living underground, not giving a fuck about anyone else and digging until they unleash some ancient demon, naturally appeals to me.

>> No.13621103

>the Elvish word for "year" meant 144 years for us.
So a two hundred year old elf slut is actually a 28,800 year old slut?

>> No.13621145

Nah, more like when she says she's over 2000 years old and ancient she's really just a horny 16 year old.

>> No.13621157

This. We all know what those degenerate elf sluts really want.
Don't give into heresy.

>> No.13621171

I want space battles! Any books with good space battles?

>> No.13621193

Neal Asher and Bv Larson

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Those elven sluts man.

>> No.13621228

Heard good things about Asher. People keep telling me to read the technician. Should i?

>> No.13621252

I would read the first polity books before I read the book 9 technician.

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Fuck elves, honestly.

>> No.13621279

Oh i wasn't aware that they were a series. When i looked up the technician on amazon it didn't show me that it was part of a series.

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How dare you?!
Elves are a proud and noble race.

>> No.13621309

Kyonyuu Fantasy is fantastic.
I played the vn to fap but stayed for the story.

>> No.13621368

How big do you think his dick is?

>> No.13621426

Noble people are usually the most depraved and degenerate. They just put on airs to fool the lesser beings.

>> No.13621468

elves exist only to be cock sluts

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This horrible slander has to stop!

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Is op ok?

Started this today, read the first chapter. The way he writes gives me a bit of a headache, but i am really impressed by the picture he paints considering this was PUBLISHED in 1984. He was probably coming up with the ideas for this in the late 70s based on his early work. Personally, i don't find more modern examples of science fiction (and that isn't counting things like star wars or whatever normies consider) as compelling as reading older works from a modern perspective, especially considering how the Internet changed public perceptions on technology and what is possible. I mean, just imagining the world at the time some of these works are written and the ideas they come up with that we take for granted now really boggles my mind. That's why i liked "We" so much, because even though it was written so long ago, the ideas presented in it seem so tangible and "forward thinking" to me. Long tangent for me to simply say "I'm really looking forward to reading more of this," but i just wanted to share a quick thought I'm having while I take a shit lol.

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>> No.13621887

Are there any "serious" fantasy featuring elvish cock sluts?

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>> No.13621906

Get fucked you smelly nerd.

>> No.13621964

The end of Blood World was especially pulp as fuck.

>> No.13621995

>she's really just a horny 16 year old.
Go on...

>> No.13622207

It's pretty interesting to see the perspective of the time. Like you said, the writing is sometimes difficult to follow. It's the kind of book where if you get distracted and lose your place you need to re-read the whole page.

It somewhat suffers from the (I don't know what to call it) effect where you read genre defining literature, but find it fairly standard because even though it was original at the time, chances are you've been exposed to all the works that were in inspired by it and therefore don't find it very unique.

>> No.13622302

>chances are you've been exposed to all the works that were in inspired by it and therefore don't find it very unique.
I've noticed this trend before. A friend of mine couldn't get into LOTR because it didn't feel that special since he'd been reading generic fantasy for 15 years prior. He's also a pleb, to be fair.

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What's the Starsector equivalent of /sfgg/?

>> No.13622403

Vorkosigan Saga

>> No.13622424

>go look up what Starsector is
>it's "What if everyone was Barrayar?"
This anon is right.

>> No.13622449

I read the Martha Wells one and it's honestly pretty funny popcorn novelette.

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>Mecha vs Kaiju novel
>most generic cover possible

Book marketing is bad now, this fucking ripped but both the cover, title and description were all so generic I almost didn't bother.

>> No.13622692

Poppy War is literally "what if Mao was a magical girl and WW2 had magic instead of modern technology" it rules

>> No.13622721

I honestly like the design of that cover. Simple, clean, but not too plain.

>> No.13622734

It's an alright cover for a normal scifi book but there's been a lot like it of late and it doesn't actually fit the text at all.
I browse the new releases every month and there's about 4 different covers now shared between every new scifi book and 3 for every new fantasy book.

>> No.13622760

>C.J. Cherryh, author of the Foreigner series
This insult against Chanur will not stand!

>> No.13622766

If that is indeed a novel about mechs vs.giant monsters then it's the shittiest cover imaginable since no one would assume that's what the book is about based on the cover.

>> No.13622769

sci-fi literally fucking sucks

>> No.13622773

then leave this general bugman

>> No.13622802

>lotr is so great
>it's the best thing ever
>lets dress up as fagdorf and precious
>pleb friend is brainlet because he don't like shits of the ring
kys you piece of shit

>> No.13622803

but sci-fi is literally the complete fucking suck

>> No.13622804

I've never got into any Cherryh but I honestly gave up on foreigner the moment I realised it was gonna be one of those books with generational timeskips.
Just wasn't in the mood for it

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>> No.13622882

Wow, your takes are so hot, anon.

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

>> No.13622902

/sffg/, can I get an opinion on this ideological contrast between my mc and my villain

>mc is driven by the need to prove himself, even if it means defying his own nature
>bbeg takes this a step further by denouncing the notion of objective strength as a pointless platitude. reality is a grand delusion when nobody can perceive the world objectively. Strength and weakness exist only in the eye of the beholder. It is only the perception of strength that matters
>in reality, bbeg's intimidating form is just a facade, and his real body is small enough to step on

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>> No.13622960

You have somehow made it sound so boring.

>> No.13622970


thanks. your disapproval is a good sign I should stick with it

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Don't you have a book to avoid working on, GRRM?

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>> No.13623001

There is no need to be like that.
All I am pointing out is that you make it sound like boring navel gazing. Put more energy into it.

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>> No.13623198

After reading steel world I had no desire to continue with the series

>> No.13623208

Sounds awful. Do you like litrpgs too?

>> No.13623243

I like spellmonger
it's like light reading and positively better than the rest of that's there

>> No.13623252

We know, bugman.

>> No.13623258

because some people can't even think with words
average iq in the world is 87 and it's getting smaller with each passing moment
People literally can't enjoy fictional world and the story conceived in it, unless it's easily digested

>> No.13623264

pact was such shit
never finished worm
I can't fathom why people keep pushing wildbow stuff? Because it's readily available?

>> No.13623306

I'm guessing you're basing that off something like this: https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

You're intentionally ignorant and yet somehow also disingenuous.

>> No.13623307

*unzips bumps limit*
get to work, thread slut

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>> No.13623363

what do you want anon? im thinking beatdown trash talk not boring sophistry.

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>What are you currently reading that isn't webtrash?
Historical fiction.

Plan to read something Fantasy later. But I don't know what yet.

>> No.13623415

anon, you're posting willingly in the anime titty message board that coined the word "cummies" what do you think you are?

>> No.13623581

New Thread
Get it while it's hot.

>> No.13624368

I actually like it better when it is just orcs and elves and dwarves because usually the other option is they're just elves by a different name or elves where EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT!1!! in some dumb attempt to subvert tropes or whatever

>> No.13624383

You might also enjoy Star Force. On balance probably not as good, but it has that thing going on where everyone on the same team is not on the same team that brings some spiciness to Undying. But some of the side characters are better, especially Marvin and Hoon. I don't remember exactly but you might need to give it a book or two of breathing room before you can just crunch them down.

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