/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13609298]

Nine days.

[Anonymous No.13609303]

>>13609298
have Spandrell or anyone commented on this?

[Anonymous No.13609306]

This has to stop. Land is a fucking meme. He should not be taken seriously as a philosopher. Accelerationism is a clusterfuck of an ideology/philosophy. This meme isn't funny anymore. Let it die.

[Anonymous No.13609308]

>>13609298
Most likely the feller is vacationing in an indonesian all inclusive resort with his wife and children

[Anonymous No.13609314]

>>13609298
I hope he’s okay :/

[Anonymous No.13609334]

>>13609306

Thank you for saying this, I've seen this inbred schizo's fucking face every single day on this site the last three years if not longer

[Anonymous No.13609340]

>>13609298
This Ringu reboot is very scary

[Anonymous No.13609342]

>>13609306
We can't stop it anon. It's happening and we're along for the ride. No one should be trying to accelerate, it is just a sad fact we must face.

[Anonymous No.13609352]

>>13609306
>Accelerationism is a clusterfuck of an ideology/philosophy

But as a self-fulfilling prophecy it's incredibly effective.

[Anonymous No.13609377]

>>13609306
>>13609334
Why do you not believe in technocapital acceleration?

[Anonymous No.13609389]

>>13609352
Effective in memeing a bunch of internet trannies into believing whatever delusional shit they were going to believe anyway, and effective in getting momentarily shoved into the minds of either altright mass murderers or silicon valley cocksuckers before the next trend comes along?
yeah real effective

[Anonymous No.13609397]

>>13609377
>Why do you not believe in the word of Jesus?

[Anonymous No.13609408]

>>13609397
I'm asking the question because I haven't seen a strong rebuttal and I would like to. I'm trying to have a genuine conversation not hunt for an ideological kill or evangelize.

[Anonymous No.13609439]

>>13609306
If it makes you feel better, there's a good chance he's dead now.

[Anonymous No.13609448]

>>13609314
He's probably been shipped to Pyongyang for propaganda purposes.

[Anonymous No.13609453]

storm the area 51 of China when

[Anonymous No.13609461]

>>13609377
>Why do you not believe in word salad?

Glad you asked.
1. Little of what he writes makes any sense, which is fine if it's fiction, but he thinks he's the heir apparent to Baudrillard and D&G and he's not. At all.
2. Everything he's done is stolen from science-fiction
3. When you steal something, at least try to be clever about it
4. Step outside your little box and read the writings - towards the end of his life - of Antonin Artaud. Then read Land. See how similar they sound? But Artaud was actually insane; Land may just be a put-on artist

[Anonymous No.13609471]

>>13609461
100% of what he's written makes sense. What you're thinking of is moldbug and the other NRx losers, who are are morons that Nick associates himself with because excessive amphetamine abuse has crippled his brain. This has no relevance on the fact that Land himself is a prophet and a savant.

[Anonymous No.13609477]

>>13609461
I was hoping for someone to tackle the core ideas not post ad hominem attacks because they want to win a forum war.

[Anonymous No.13609482]

>>13609461
>1.
appeals to you not understanding the issue at hand is the cry of the wild psude
>2.
I thought you didn't understand it, how can you make that claim anon?
>3.
he's been instrumental in founding at least 3 intellectual movements (not to mention his contributions to the birth of speculative realism)
>4.
you could say the same thing about Deleuze, BwO is literally a term borrowed from Artaud

[Anonymous No.13609484]

Nick Land is just applying feedback loop to itself, the feedback loop.

Why this makes people so unreasonably angry I don't know.

[Anonymous No.13609488]

>>13609471
Moldbug just observes patterns in history, why this makes people so unreasonably angry I don't know.

[Anonymous No.13609496]

>>13609471
Land and Moldbug are intricately related to each other, they both examine power structures in a very detached way that leads to a darwinistic view of how history progresses.

[Anonymous No.13609499]

>>13609298
What happened?

[Anonymous No.13609505]

>>13609488
Moldbug incompetently makes leaps of logic based on Eurocentric Wikipedia summaries and preaches his amateur conclusions as if the apply to the entire world.

>dude I just read this diary entry from an Englishman during the revolutionary war
>WHY DON'T THEY TEACH THIS DIARY IN SCHOOLS MAN
>GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS A LIE

[Anonymous No.13609507]

>>13609499
Hasn't posted on twitter since the 31st. It's an unusually long break for him.

[Anonymous No.13609511]

>>13609505
It's not eurocentric. He is not making leap of logics when he observes how men acted, what they preferred, and what they set aside.

[Anonymous No.13609570]

>>13609471
>>13609482

Look. Can we just be honest with ourselves for once. You like him because he's alt-right. And fuck your "alt-right" doesn't exist horseshit, I'm on here almost every day and I know the games all of you play.

He's a self-published schizo and a fraud. If you're brain damaged maybe 100% of what he said makes sense. Damn it, I'm arguing with /pol/ ... dumb me

[Anonymous No.13609589]

>>13609570
I'm not racist or right wing and I love Nick because he's an interminable outsider. He takes the worst position for the sake of it being the worst positions, he's not some cringelord rightist who thinks the West can be saved, he just makes a show of idolizing Westernism because it nets him the most (You)s. It's pretty obvious that Nick hates white people, but he's associated with white supremacism because he hates people who aren't white slightly more than he hates people who are white.

[Anonymous No.13609611]

>>13609570
Land was published in academia, and Fanged Noumena was basically compiled and the introduction written for by Brassier, who is also a published academic.

A lot of people who simply can't handle racism and the like separate his academic stuff entirely from his nrx stuff, and they like him for very different reasons than the altright does.

[Anonymous No.13609625]

>>13609611
Those "people" are the worst of all because they cling to an outmoded ideal of transhumanist feminism that went out of fashion when I was still in college. Nick evolved, so why can't they?

[Anonymous No.13609638]

>>13609570
I don't believe in the possibility of functional central planning. I don't believe any variant of libertarianism is good for human interests. I hate the alt right more than any current government. Fanged Noumena is my favorite book.

[Anonymous No.13609643]

>>13609638
>>13609611
>>13609589
>At most. A sentient coma. Autism. It's cranking Agent-orange into your arm every night for a million years. Lurking in furnaces. Crawling ever further in.

No one outside this hug box is taking this seriously

[Anonymous No.13609644]

>>13609643
You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.13609655]

>>13609643
>nooo you're not allowed to mix art and theory

[Anonymous No.13609669]

>>13609570
>>13609643
>the published academic who's created a philosophy based on the worship of sentient hypercapitalism is part of the outsider group of right wing extremists who hate both capitalism and academics
doubt.jpg

[Anonymous No.13609675]

>>13609589

[Anonymous No.13609688]

>>13609643
>>13609570
>rise up womyn! unite!

[Anonymous No.13609718]

>>13609669
WNs are too stupid to know that they should be opposed to capitalism, they still think it will benefit them in the long term

[Anonymous No.13609735]

>>13609718
There are pro and anti capitalist factions in the alt right.

[Anonymous No.13609739]

>>13609718
I don't know where you come from politically but if you've spent anytime at all in far right circles in the last decade you'd know that they're explicitly anti-capitalist. Like yeah, you have the liberal right-of-center dumb boomers who cult-worship Trump and think the Cold War never ended, but nobody who you could realistically call an actual ethnonationalist is pro-capitalist. In fact, the biggest criticism of leftist street movements like antifa is generally that they're nothing but stooges for capitalist oligarchs and their policy positions.

[Anonymous No.13609740]

>>13609718
WNs are often way outside the normal political spectrum and have no love at all for capitalism, which they see as heavily Jewish, especially the financial aspect.

They are generally dumb, but the few smart ones aren't the caricature you have of them.

[Anonymous No.13609769]

>>13609740
>>13609739
That's an anachronistic caricature. Some WNs think that they're anti-capitalist, but the simple truth of the fact is that European history is founded upon imperialism and therefore any faction claiming white nationalism must by necessity fetishize industry and therefore capitalism. Any WN that doesn't fetishize capitalism fetishizes primitivism and thus is not really a WN no matter how much he hates the browns.

[Anonymous No.13609801]

>>13609769
Imperialism =/= capitalism, imperialism existed long before capitalism and will exit long after it. The vast majority of the far right opposes typical liberal capitalistic policies such as universal private property, human rights, democracy, the free flow of capital, the free flow of labor, etc. The anachronistic caricature is to view the contemporary far right as some sort of Cold War-era shaved-head meth heads. The primary gripe the modern far right has with the modern far left is that the modern far left has been entirely subverted by capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13609802]

>>13609769
European history is founded on the flourishing of the civilization that started around 900ad and progressed immensely until the age of expansion happened around 1400 or 1500. I dont think it's useful to include the greeks and romans in understanding the modern west, except as a very important cultural influence. European history is not founded on imperialism, that is incredibly dishonest, it is founded on the creation of their own culture in their own lands.

Imperialism is common to any powerful people who can expand, so identifying it with just Europeans is facile. Europeans were and are a particular people with particular values, art, culture, history, and that is mostly what WNs are grasping towards, though usually very unclearly, because they lack a clear framework outside cases like fp Yockey who had absorbed philosophical history through men like Spengler.

[Anonymous No.13609867]

> European history is founded upon imperialism

[Anonymous No.13609896]

>>13609769
The vast majority of the far right want to see society ruled by a martial class, whether that's a reactionary nobility or a fascist party-state. This martial ruling class would necessarily subvert the bourgeoisie to their will just as they have in nearly ever pre-capitalist mode of production that's existed, depriving the bourgeousie of their agency through force. Capitalists who don't submit to the will of the martial class are simply replaced with capitalists who will, like the burghers of old.

[Anonymous No.13609899]

>da only civilization in history to be founded upon imperialism was da yuropeeons

[Anonymous No.13609901]

> The vast majority of the far right want to see society ruled by a martial class, whether that's a reactionary nobility or a fascist party-state. This martial ruling class would necessarily subvert the bourgeoisie to their will just as they have in nearly ever pre-capitalist mode of production that's existed, depriving the bourgeousie of their agency through force. Capitalists who don't submit to the will of the martial class are simply replaced with capitalists who will, like the burghers of old.

[JC !RKjGo6Ruik No.13609909]

>>13609314
>>13609439
>>13609448
>>13609499
I spoke to him over email. He's fine. In response to the rumours he said
>LOL

[Anonymous No.13609915]

>Pass user since 2018
What kind of auto-fellating retard thinks that having been here for a year is enough time to justify him making an actual post? Lurk more.

[Anonymous No.13609916]

>>13609909
Screnshot?

[Anonymous No.13609920]

>>13609589
>this is your brain on identity politics
I don't think Nick Land bases his philosophy on any particular skin tone, period.

[JC !RKjGo6Ruik No.13609925]

>>13609915
Been here for yonks mate
>>13609916
pic related

[Anonymous No.13609927]

>>13609718
I can tell youre not very aware of WN thought or modern discourse, because this is wildly inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.13609935]

>>13609769
>Any WN that doesn't fetishize capitalism fetishizes primitivism and thus is not really a WN no matter how much he hates the browns.
...
>what is eco fascism
Sad. Is this what reddit does to you?

[Anonymous No.13609968]

>>13609298
he goes mia on twitter at least once a year, usually for something like >>13609308

[Anonymous No.13609991]

>>13609482
>not to mention his contributions to the birth of speculative realism
wet pavements cause rain

[Anonymous No.13609992]

>>13609991
> What is the sea
are you retarded

[Anonymous No.13610088]

>>13609925
>posteo
Patrician.
>picrel
The meme confirmed alive if true. Perhaps he realised Twitter is rewiring his brain more than amphetamines and decided to eject himself.

[Anonymous No.13610452]

>>13609306
read l/acc

[Anonymous No.13610480]

>>13610452
Anthropormorphic surplus-value is not analytically extricable from transhuman machineries.

[Anonymous No.13610585]

>>13609298
Damn, imagine if we could go 9 days without an accelshit thread. Would do wonders for this place.

[Anonymous No.13610593]

>>13610585
post an argument against it or stop whining bro

[Anonymous No.13610594]

>>13609306
Seriously, the bullying against accelerationist members of this community is getting way out of hand, especially since accels are some of the biggest contributors, have the highest social intelligence, and are the most involved in this board. Its not just "memes" or "banter", its vicious attacking, and regardless of intentions it does demean people and hurt feelings. I can't say I'm the only accelerationist who finds it hard to take pride in his own Sinoism after having years of constant and needless attacks defaming my speed from insecure losers here. Why not bully Christians or Marxists? Do they not have much more to be ashamed of than our superior philosophy? Guenonfags and schizoposters get bullied less than us and yet we are the purest philosophy in the world.

Like when its not just banter, when a meme is repeated over and over again, repeated systematically, it eventually becomes a truth irregardless of the intentions in repeating it. And that isn't just jokes any more then, then its harmful!

Would you call an accelerationist a "tranny"(not true at all) to her face? Would you say to a kind, peaceful and scientific salt of the earth Chinese woman that they are "slower" than Western men? Would you say those words to your fellow futurist brethren? Are you starting to feel ashamed now? You fucking decelerationists?

Your destroying philosophy, your dividing capital against itself, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. So I encourage you to stop now.

[Anonymous No.13610600]

>>13609461
To be fair, you have to have a very high social and emotional intelligence to understand Nick Land. The neologisms are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of technocapital most of the ideas will go over a slow reader's head. There's also Land's cyberfeminist outlook, which is deftly woven into his quantonarratives - his antihumanism draws heavily from postwave gendermarxism, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the social-intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these intelligences, to realize that they're not just profound - they say something deep about NONLIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Nick Land truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning in Land's self-exit hyperstitional meanderings, which in themselves are a cryptic reference to Marx's anti-German science of Capital-machines self-replicating into the future. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those hyperaddlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Nick Land's genius unfolds itself from the future noumena. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a "Who is NeoChina's G-d?" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for Capital's eyes only - and even it has to demonstrate that it's within 5 social and emotional intelligence points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

[Anonymous No.13610605]

>>13610594
Oh ffs, shut up tranny. Nobody cares about your badly written walls of text. Go back to twitter

[Anonymous No.13610610]

>>13610605
it's a meta troll dummy

[Anonymous No.13610612]

>>13610610
I didn't read it idiot

[Anonymous No.13610616]

>>13610612
pathetic illiterate decel

[Anonymous No.13610621]

>>13609496
It's because accels are retards only interested in sounding smart and dissident while still clinging to their natural affiliations with the lefty empire of onions.

[Anonymous No.13610634]

>>13610616
Idiot I read more than you. In fact, because accel writing is entirely devoid of content, even if you read a million accel books i'd still read more than you. Now suck a tiny shrunk tranny cock, dumbfuck verbal accel

[Anonymous No.13610638]

>>13610634
present one argument against acceleration

[JC !RKjGo6Ruik No.13610649]

>>13610638
1. You cant make something go faster than doesn't have anyone steering it (t. Quentin)
2. There's no good reason to think making things go faster will actually be overall gud

[Anonymous No.13610660]

>>13610649
If you think technocapital acceleration has any need for people intentionally supporting it you don't understand Land. If you think accelerationism makes any claims about the result being good for current human interests you don't understand Land.

[Anonymous No.13610682]

>>13610638
trannies like it, then by reductio ad absurdum, it must be a retarded philosophy

[Anonymous No.13610714]

>>13610682
narrow minded fool remains in his comfort zone

[Anonymous No.13610720]

cunts on twitter take a shitpost i made days ago to make us all out as tards. fuck me

[Anonymous No.13610725]

>>13610660
What if Land doesn't understand him?
And why are we assuming that this person must take the position that acceleration is correct? Kind of makes your request for a critique impossible, does it not?

[Anonymous No.13610738]

>>13610720
why do normies take everything so seriously and face value? seriously creeps me out, it's like they have no theory of mind or something

[Anonymous No.13610749]

>>13609408
The historical record is full of abrupt changes in the direction of trends and unintended consequences and changing priorities that render the result of various movements to be the exact opposite of what was intended (see Del Noce’s heterogenesis of ends). There is, alas, no more reason to trust the infinite acceleration of technocapital than there is to trust in Hegel’s world spirit or Marx’s dialectic of revolution. Providence is far more mysterious.

[Anonymous No.13610750]

>>13610725
Claiming someone believes things they do not isn't disagreement it's a show of a lack of understanding.

[Anonymous No.13610759]

>>13610738
i know, right. they can't understand humor at times

[Anonymous No.13610769]

>>13610749
That's a very reasonable meta level critique of grand narratives of history. Personally I weigh the object level evidence higher in this case but it's a formidable argument.

[Anonymous No.13610806]

>>13609925
I wrote Land a mail once.
His response was addressing my question but was also as short as it possibly could have been.
I wonder how many other faggots bother the guy.

>>13609306
Accelerationism, or his spin on it, is descriptive, speculative to the extent that it makes you read back on older philosophers, in line with 4chan type counter culture and highly memeable.
It sticks because there's nothing better around. It's also less ideological than anything on the left and right.

[Anonymous No.13610825]

>>13610750
What did he claim Land believes that he does not?
Your response isn't any better than what you're claiming of him, so your criticism can easily be discarded.

[Anonymous No.13610842]

>>13610649
1. False equivalency, you can always leave a brick on the accelerator and roll out the door. You don’t need to know where you’re going (IE. by steering the vehicle’s direction) in order to accelerate.

2. It’s not about accelerating things until the become good, it’s about accelerating things to such an extent that the previous order collapses, giving us the unique opportunity to reinvent the world.

[Anonymous No.13610843]

>>13610825
Land does not recommend that people intentionally accelerate the process or even claim any individual's plan can accelerate the process. He claims the exact opposite in his framing of history as driven by deterritorial destiny. He also does not claim that technocapital acceleration is good for current human values. He demonstrates the exact opposite in his insane cyber lovecraft essays.

[Anonymous No.13610880]

>>13609589
I don't think you understand what interminable means.

[Anonymous No.13611028]

hmm

[Anonymous No.13611038]

>>13611028
hmmm

[Anonymous No.13611072]

>OH GUYS, I KNOW THIS IS ANKWARD, BUT I THINK THAT I DON'T LIKE HYPERCHINA ANYMORE, SO YEAH, PLEASE HELP, LET ME OUT OF HONG KONG!
>PLEASE MOLOCH HELP ME! I DON'T LIKE ACCELERATING HYPERSTITIONS ANYMORE!
>SCOTT? YUD? MOLDBUG? KIERKEGAARD? HELP ME PLEASE, SCHIZOANALYISIS IS NO LONGER FUN! AAAAAHHHHH! I WAS JUST LARPING I SWEAR! PLEASE SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, HELP ME!
Just fuck his shit up.

[Anonymous No.13611174]

>>13609909
tripfag and a pass user, what could be worse?

[Anonymous No.13611247]

>>13609453
never. the Chinese would kill every single one of them. US would at least have some restraint

[Anonymous No.13611296]

>>13609298
F

[Anonymous No.13611298]

>>13609298
I'd rather discuss Hegel than this hack

[Anonymous No.13611511]

>>13610843
Yes, but this person was speaking generally. Perhaps he does mean accelerationism in the political sense, but that's not what he said. His argument seemed to be based on relation to time itself which could apply to accelerised intelligence and the relation to capital escape.
In other words, if it really is accelerating we cannot catch up, and it would be even farther beyond us than ever before. There is no reason to expect in this that we will ever catch up, that we coould adapt and reapply capital intelligences in response, it would simply destroy us. But then, the very idea relies upon this being a falsehood as well, as capital would have to accelerate beyond this absolute destruction of constant change (unless human destruction is the finality, or absolute horizon, but there's no real reason to believe this apart from a pessimistic faith - but then (so many buts) why the rigid technocratic approach to nihilism, why not get on with it?).
This also suggests another major problem. If accelerationism is a decades-long approach to this escaping thing, technocapital or whatever, then it has already lost. It is an ideological approach, implying the slowness of the very ideas considering that the early 2000s was filled with the anti-ideological turn. Each repetition only obscures its object of faith.
Accelerationists are simply out of touch with the very thing they are attempting to describe, applying frictionless repurposing of two-hundred-year-old ideas, and lack an understanding of natural laws.

[Anonymous No.13611577]

>>13610843
>deterritorial destiny
???

[Anonymous No.13611616]

>>13611296
S

[Anonymous No.13611621]

They found it!

[Anonymous No.13611686]

>>13611621
... research libraries center for research libraries center for research libraries center for research libraries center for research libraries center for research libraries center for ...

[Anonymous No.13611696]

>>13609643
this is the furthest thing from a hugbox, your post not having been deleted making that pretty clear

[Anonymous No.13611715]

>>13609611
>academic
So it's two piles of shit.

[Anonymous No.13611757]

>>13609298

This is probably the most anyone has ever cared about him.

[Anonymous No.13611818]

>>13611621
So, how's the copy coming?

[Anonymous No.13611822]

>>13609306
this. Just let it go.

[Anonymous No.13611837]

>>13611822

Imagine telling a German a hundred years ago to let Nietzsche go.

[Anonymous No.13611839]

>>13611818
they said the microfilm was too low quality to copy

[Anonymous No.13611924]

>>13609991
look at the head figures of the movement and how many of them were involved in the CCRU

[Anonymous No.13612239]

>>13610649
Quentin is a brainlet

[Anonymous No.13612324]

>>13611837
Imagine thinking land is in any way comparable to Nietzsche (who was garbage and overrated).

[Anonymous No.13612356]

>>13612324

Land might be more important, but the cases are analogous.

[Anonymous No.13612434]

>>13612324
Land is influenced by Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13612582]

>>13611296
low electricity on the balls or the shaft feels really good.
poor man is probably going to have a heart attack from all of these orgasms

[Anonymous No.13612859]

>>13611839
>>13611818
>>13611621
Can you fill me in on what's this? been out of the loop for a while.

[Anonymous No.13612866]

>>13612434
irrelevant. Learn to read, retard. Maybe then you'd see Land for the shit it is.

[Anonymous No.13612873]

>>13612356
Yikes.
You faggots are completely delusional.

[Anonymous No.13612907]

>>13612859

Nick Land's PhD thesis in microfilm.

[JC !RKjGo6Ruik No.13612917]

>>13612239
Quentin just having a laugh mate