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[Anonymous No.13608961]

How would Accelerationism ever recover again?
https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremacists-embrace-accelerationism

[Anonymous No.13608967]

the article is fair enough to point to the different uses of the term in the second paragraph

*pastes that Marx quote about free market good*

[Anonymous No.13608972]

>>13608961
The alt-right's view of accelerationism is nothing like the Landian kind or the rest of the /acc spectrum.
https://xenogothic.com/2019/03/20/accelerationism-and-the-christchurch-shooter/

[Anonymous No.13608991]

>>13608972
i mean that's just using the word to mean something similar but it's a different context completely, he's not talking about capitalism, he's talking about immigration and race war. The altright doesnt have a real definitoin but people like Nick Land probably belong to it.

[Anonymous No.13608998]

>>13608961
>ADL
>cites infinichan and discord posts
I see you're grasping at straws, eh rabbi?

[Anonymous No.13609052]

>>13608991
Nick Land hates the alt-right

[Anonymous No.13609056]

>>13609052
In the same way, the exact same way, that Julius Evola hated Fascism.

[Anonymous No.13609060]

Accelerationism is anything which unleashes the feedback loops that sequentially liberate that repressed Dionysian insanity which moves itself and its children towards singularity

Anything which advances this agenda is accelerationist

[Anonymous No.13609078]

>>13609052
yeah but the term is vague as shit and nrx, being bizarre alternative right wing theories, is often included under its umbrella.

Land shittiing on the altright is because he doesnt want to be associated with dumb proles but there is a lot of crossover, most notably the opinions on race and iq, and the disdain for progressivism.

[Anonymous No.13609087]

>>13609056
can you elaborate? I have no idea what sized-brain this take is

[Anonymous No.13609089]

>>13608961
That's not capital A accelerationism though

[Anonymous No.13609090]

>>13609078
>there is a lot of crossover, most notably the opinions on race and iq, and the disdain for progressivism
Marx agreed with both of those things, was he alt-right too?

[Anonymous No.13609101]

>>13609090
They don't like communism either, they often praise older societies and authority. Land of course has a completely autistic vision of his ideal future that is vaguely libertarian but too abstract for me to even really grasp. Something about a circle of power stabilizing individual agents, like rock paper scissors.

anyway you get basically what Im saying right?

[Anonymous No.13609109]

>>13609087
Evola wrote a book called A Traditionalist Confronts Fascism, in which he "confronts" Fascism by basically cozying up to fascists and trying to nudge the more intelligent ones (the ones who can be "saved") towards his own traditionalist thought. His occultism and his philosophy in general are just sort of him trying to poach as many souls as possible from the more successful movement of his zeitgeist.

[Anonymous No.13609111]

>>13608961
>implying they can even comprehend what it is

[Anonymous No.13609135]

>>13609052
reminder that he is getting ball busted by chink police

[Anonymous No.13609147]

>>13609101
No, if Nick Land is alt-right because of his opinions on race and iq and disdain for progressiveness, and Karl Marx had the same opinion, why isn't Marx considered alt-right? Don't just say they don't like Marx, you set up this criteria and by that criteria he fits (hint, your criteria is wrong and neither Nick Land nor Marx is alt-right)

[Anonymous No.13609159]

>>13609109
he literally called himself a superfascist

[Anonymous No.13609163]

>>13609159
Yeah

[Anonymous No.13609165]

>>13608961
Right and left accelerationism are the same thing. There's no way to control what will come after the chaos is unleashed - it's merely our job to unleash it.

[Anonymous No.13609169]

>>13609163
I could never see Nick Land calling himself a super-alt-rightist

[Anonymous No.13609174]

>>13609147
Because Marx is not right wing at all, he's criticizing progs from the left, Land is at best a republican, he explicitly praises the old republics in England and Netherlands, which most of the alt right are as well, rather than being actual monarchists or fascists or what have you.

i dont want to have a combative argument about this because again the term doesn't have an agreed upon definition, and I understand the sense in which Land is using it, it's just often used more broadly, that is all.

[Anonymous No.13609178]

>>13609169
That's fair. Land does not seem interested in saving anyone's soul. He just wants to harness whatever powers are available because accelerationism calls for movement more than anything, regardless of the type. So he flirts with what he perceives as the dominant twitter pathos, basically, with no interest in the individuals involved.

[Anonymous No.13609198]

>>13609178
so he is a meme loving fuck

[Anonymous No.13609212]

>>13609198
Yeah

[Anonymous No.13609224]

>>13609174
>a republican
only to the degree that a republic works against democracy
>he explicitly praises the old republics in England and Netherlands
Right but this is an NRx position though, not an alt-right position. I don't think you really understand what Land means by Old Whig.

[Anonymous No.13609259]

>>13609224
Most of the people using the term alt right just mean a non mainstream right wing ideology that 'regresses' the past, it is obvious why they'd include NRX in that. Wiki has this on it:
The anti-fascist researcher Matthew N. Lyons defined the alt-right as "a loosely organized far-right movement that shares a contempt for both liberal multiculturalism and mainstream conservatism; a belief that some people are inherently superior to others; a strong Internet presence and embrace of specific elements of online culture; and a self-presentation as being new, hip, and irreverent.
You can see why Land would be identified as belonging to that.

The republics he praises were before democracy they were the whig revolutionaries who supplanted the more absolute monarchies. He thinks they were especially conducive to capitalist expansion, whereas Moldbug wants to go back further to monarchy, or his neo version of monarchy.

Finally though can we just stop this autism, we arent even disagreeing about anything except the meaning of a term that is used in varied ways.

[Anonymous No.13609274]

>>13609259
>Finally though can we just stop this autism, we arent even disagreeing about anything except the meaning of a term that is used in varied ways.
that was like, the whole point of the thread

[Anonymous No.13609280]

>>13609259
>we arent even disagreeing about anything except the meaning of a term that is used in varied ways
h-have you never done philosophy?

[Anonymous No.13609344]

>>13609052
Of course he does they're fags.

[Anonymous No.13609355]

Is this a news to you?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/11/accelerationism-how-a-fringe-philosophy-predicted-the-future-we-live-in

[Anonymous No.13609395]

Mass shooters are the first generation of cyber guerillas. They weren't aware of it at first but now the ideology and the act have found eachother.

[Anonymous No.13609452]

>>13609159
It sounds weird because it's italian, but he actually meant he was above fascism, like how Nietzsche's Ubermench means "over man" as in above humanity.

[Anonymous No.13609472]

>adl
>yeah! This is going to be a good fundraising opportunity!
And all of that money will go to giving the people who work there a raise and to pay for more fundraising

[Anonymous No.13609860]

>>13608961
They just ruin everything they touch, don't they?

[Anonymous No.13609895]

>>13609452
>, like how Nietzsche's Ubermench means "over man" as in above humanity.
This meme has to stop. It's over as in overcoming as the Übermensch overcomes the current morals.

[Anonymous No.13609917]

>>13608961
Alt right accelerationism reads like a rehashed version of management of savagery

How ironic

[Anonymous No.13609943]

>>13609895
Your semantic pedantry does not refute my point at all.

[Anonymous No.13609969]

Why would anyone take the ADL seriously? They're like a Jewish caricature incarnate.

[Anonymous No.13609974]

>>13609943
Your whole point was semantic pedantry, but when you started to talk about Nietzsche misinformation was added.

[Anonymous No.13610015]

this kind of (left and right) Accelerationism disgusts me. Rather than stand up and fight an (anemic) liberal-capitalist order, they would sit down a pray that some inherent wrongness of the system will cause society collapse so they can fight over the ruins. There's a better chance that their helping perpetuate the incumbent order than ushering in its ruin.

[Anonymous No.13610158]

>>13610015
good luck with ur revolution bro...

[Anonymous No.13610308]

>>13610015
Thing is though, even revolution is helping to perpetuate the incumbent order. The system wants to be challenged or resisted because then it can then incorporate those conflicting or contradictory perspectives into a homology. Political deviancy is inevitably decoded in terms prescribed by the system, it is nigh on impossible to do anything outside of them.

[Anonymous No.13610546]

Trannies btfo

[Anonymous No.13610940]

>>13610308
Yeah, i suppose that's true. But i think most people don't detest every aspect of the incumbent order (possibly due to what you mentioned at the end of your post) so the conflicting perspective which becomes established through revolution can satisfy the the most important points of contention.

[Anonymous No.13610948]

Land is playing the long game. His true thoughts have been laid out in his most honest writings.
r/acc is a joke he conjured, and continues to feed, for teh lulz.

The closest he got to disclosing his true thoughts:

>Sociological fundamentalism, state worship, totalitarian paranoia and fascism, they all exhibit the same basic impulse; hatred of art, (real) freedom, desire, everything that cannot be controlled, regulated, and administered. Fascism hates aliens, migrant workers, the homeless, rootless people of every kind and inclination, everything evocative of excitement and uncertainty, women, artists, lunatics, drifting sexual drives, liquids, impurity, and abandonment.

[Anonymous No.13611000]

>>13610948
Is Land the biggest shitposter alive?

[Anonymous No.13611772]

>>13609135
attach the erectrodes,

[Anonymous No.13611810]

>>13610948
But when did he write this?

[Anonymous No.13612460]

>>13611772
>erectrodes
Lmao

[Anonymous No.13612656]

There are different kinds of accelerationism and the article happens to showcase the one that's most based, so what? I don't support the most radical ideas of white-supremacy, but here in Finland there are talks in the mainstream media of shutting down entire sites where you can communicate anonymously and making it mandatory to use your own name and picture if you want to communicate in any way over the internet.

[Anonymous No.13612739]

>>13612656
>finn
>white
Lmao you chink

[Anonymous No.13612767]

>>13610948
>technofeminist time travel marxism
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.13612772]

>>13612656
>Here in Finland, we can do the impossible!
Are they going to criminalize encryption too? I foresee the Finns passing around a lot of "modern art .bmp files" that look like static. Hmm, no maybe a little fancier, like in the the distortions of a .jpg.

[Anonymous No.13612779]

>>13609169
only because Fascism had a kernel of some worth and the alt-right does not. Evola would not either, the statement that one is a supra-alt-rightist, means much less than being a supra-fascist

[Anonymous No.13612804]

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[Anonymous No.13612819]

>>13612772
>Are they going to criminalize encryption too?
I hope so...
>>Here in Finland, we can do the impossible!
I never said it's possible, there are just people in positions of power who think that it's possible. And "accelerating" that is a goal worth pursuing no matter where you stand politically. The free-speech laws are already strict, way more strict than anywhere in Europe, so the government (right now in the hands of Greens and radical lefties) might attempt to do something along the lines of banning entire websites etc.

[Anonymous No.13613022]

>>13612819
You know this is one of the sites on the list right? What will you do with yourself! Finland can't accelerate the rest of the world anywhere, no matter how crazy they get. Are you just going to sit in the sauna waiting for the day of the rope?

[Anonymous No.13614395]

>>13610546
Accelerationism is the trans ideology though