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[Anonymous No.13604333]

I want to see behind the metaphysical veil and glimpse Truth. Is it possible? Who do I need to read?

[Anonymous No.13604354]

The Illuminatus trilogy

[Anonymous No.13604355]

Yes but it will take years of reading and studying, to continually dissolve and reform the conditions of the possibility of your own thinking in ways that you can't plan or anticipate, until eventually you start to see the possibility of higher forms of "seeing" altogether out of the corner of your normal mind's eye.

Even the idea of a flat, linear path to an easily accessible kind of "truth" that you simply don't "possess" yet is an example of a limited, pre-philosophical way of thinking that needs to be dissolved and reformed at a higher level, with higher possibility of insight, in a way that itself can't be anticipated from "inside" itself (if that makes sense). Being able to "see" even the possibility of what it might mean to intuit a symbolic truth directly or experience direct communion with truth, in ways that aren't discursively mediated, is not something you can see from WITHIN a mind that still only perceives truth as discursively mediated. And this is just one example of the kind of gradual ascent you will have to make through higher and higher forms of knowing and intuiting, which again, can only be done through exposure to things outside your mind's existing possibilities of understanding, so that those limited possibilities can be broken down under stress and reformed in new ways, higher possibilities, more adequate to the object.

It's like trying to ask a 2-dimensional being to grasp a 3-dimensional manifold. What would that look like? Try explaining it from "within" the 2D being's pre-3D perspective. You can't. What you have to do is posit that the third-dimensional perspective is something "outside" of, because higher than, the second-dimensional perspective, and then try to conceptualize a "bridge" leading to that higher perspective, that is not so much a bridge as an incitement to an organic transformation and development of the lower perspective itself. Even the concept of a "bridge" is a myth, a muthos or story, for pointing you toward a higher imagining that you can't actually grasp yet. Higher and higher muthoi will be necessary at higher and higher levels, and this takes years and years.

[Anonymous No.13604360]

>>13604355
Thank you for the effortpost. Would you recommend beginning with the big names in Western philosophy?

[Anonymous No.13604377]

Read Langan

[Anonymous No.13604509]

>>13604377
Explain this

[Anonymous No.13604703]

Bump

[Anonymous No.13604720]

>>13604333
youtube.com/c/metaintent

[Anonymous No.13604790]

>>13604333
Truth and love are literally interwoven into reality. This is why these can be glimpsed which psychotropic drugs, since they enable you to pierce the veil and see what’s behind it. Unfortunately, this also has terrible side-effects, both physically and spiritually, so I wouldn’t recommend it. Just know that truth is literally all around you, even if you can’t perceive it in your day to day life. It is that same truth that literally holds the universe together, and without it, everything would cease to exist.

[Anonymous No.13605046]

>>13604333
Advaita Vedanta is the final end-game of all metaphysics and mysticism, begin here

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

[Anonymous No.13605333]

>>13605046
This is close, but: Scepticism with a knowledge of the infinite regression that carries, framed within philosophical Daoism is the endgame

[Anonymous No.13605452]

>>13604509
My post will be divided into two section, one with definitions and one with the same content in the image but in simpler language.

Definitions:
Spatiotemporal: Within both space and time.
Classical causation: The common notion of A causing B
System: Arrangement of physical objects.
Dual-self-contaiment: Objects containing itself and another object also containg itself.
Spatio-temporal level: Viewing reality with a focus on space and time/ the ontological basis of reality as a spacetime continum.
Topological causation: The causation of the structure of an object.
Descriptive causation: The description of how two distinct event cause eachother. A causing B and so on.


Sentence 1-2:
Containing something in space and time flows through a system in multiple steps, like domminos. Becuase space and time are necessary for each other, they are contained by each other. Not only this, space contains space and time and time contains space and time. It's hard to distinguish them from eachother becuase they contain eachother, but it's possible becuase the interwoveness of them makes it possible to distingush them from eachother. Without space and time it would be impossible for a lifefrom to exists that experiences space and time as two different things, while they infact are parts of a greater whole that shares the properties of the two parts. They are also presupposition for eachother, making them hard to distinguish from eachother, because wherever you have space, you have time and so on, but they are distinguishable yet appear as a single thing after further analysis due to their interconnected natures.

Sentence 3
According to Langan there exists three kinds of causation. Causation itself seems to be the necessary base causation which makes descriptive causation and topological causation possible. Descriptive causation is a description of the causal relationship between two events and topological causation is the relationship between the structure of a thing and it's effect. Like the topological cause of water molecules form the topological effect of wetness and so on. Topological causation is the result of a structure causing a new emergant property that isn't present in the fundamental parts of an object.

Sentence 4
Becuase the different kinds of causes take place in space and time over a long time, and becuase of the sheer amount of causes and effects, the models of them become hard to interpret and understand.

Sentence 5
The model of using the different kinds of causes makes one able to divide space time into differnet aspects. I think topological causation is enabled by space, because topological causation is caused by the structure of an object, and not an action of said object. Descriptive causation on the other hand require time, meaning that it's mostly temporal. By using these two kinds of causation and creating a model using them, we can integrate the different aspects of them into a greyscale. (To be continued)

[Anonymous No.13605465]

>>13604333
peirce, obviously

[Anonymous No.13605578]

>>13605452
Definitions:
Substance: The smallest building block of a thing.
Form: The formation of substances to create objects with attributes not present in the substance.
Aspect/s: A way in which one can view an object.
Formulation: theoretical model of an object.
Zero information: A state lacking deeper causal knowledg
Telesis: The basic substance of reality.
Infocognition: A substance created by the interaction between by time-telesis and space-telesis.

Sentence 6
Here he uses a metaphor using colours. This is becuase the structure of a thing is comprised of these two kinds of causation, meaning that there is a variant of the interplay of the different kinds of causation. White seems to be alot of both kinds of causation and black is a lack of causation.

Sentence 7
Blue represent ordinary causation, descriptive causation in Langan lingo. Green is a combination of topological and descriptive causation while red is primarily topological causation. Coming to think about it, topological causation is just a fancier way of the thomist notion of forms, where the formation of a substance creates new emergent properties.

Sentence 8
One aspect substance seems to mean a singular thing. One can observe a singular thing and then further looking at the different aspects of said thing, time and space. Becuase descriptive causation works in time, and the topological causation works in space, to follow understand an object, you need to analyse the purely causal connections, the form of said object( topological causation), and the interplay between these two kinds of causation. A thing to notice is that a base substance probaly has topological causation, as topological causation is cuased by the structure of an object in a timless viewpoint.

Sentence 9
Formulation is a theoretical description of something. He seems to mean that theese descriptions needs to be able to self cancel, meaning that the different kinds of causation need to cancel eachother out in order for existence to exist. If they didn't counteract eachother, then stable existence wouldn't exist. Becuase all formulations describe objects existing in space and time, they need to describe something existing in dual self-contaiment. A self contaning thing creates itself using topological causation, this is what we means by self-creation, becuase time is an effect of it consiting of space and itself, being a result of the interwoveness of itself and time.

Sentence 10
This is the correct model of the structure of reality. If reality didn't consist of itself, then it would need something else to consist of. But becuase a real thing can't consist of a non-real thing, then it seems as if this view is correct.

Sentence 11
I think he means that his explanation of the interactions between the different kinds of causation doesn't describe an absence of a conflict between them but telesis. Telesis is a basic substance which forms reality.
(To be continued)

[Anonymous No.13605614]

>>13605578
Definitions:
Infocognitive: A dual aspect substance created by the interactions between telesis.
Syndiffeonesis: If two objects are compared then they need to be created by the same basic substance.

Sentence 11( continued)
Telesis interacts withitself creating infocognitive potential. Seems to mean the possibility of infocognition.

Sentence 12:
When the basic building block of the universe exists itself, it can't be understood. A description of the interactions between telesis makes it possible to understand telesis, which is why the different aspects of space and time needs to interact, create a selfcontaining reality, which then can be used to understand the nature of telesis.
Reality then ultimately consists of telesis, which bonds with itself, creating infocognitive potential, enabling us to create a formulation which makes us able to understand telesis, which can't be understood as a seperate unit.

I think analysing one paragraph is enough.

[Anonymous No.13605630]

>>13605614

hav sex, nerd

[Anonymous No.13605633]

>>13604333
The Bible. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

[Anonymous No.13605643]

>>13604333
become an orthodox monk

[Anonymous No.13605902]

>>13605630
>prescribed hedonism

[Anonymous No.13605922]

>>13605452
>>13605578
>>13605614
time is an illusion but thanks for the post ill read it all

[Anonymous No.13605937]

>>13604333

[Anonymous No.13606764]

>>13605333
there is no infinite regression in advaita

[Anonymous No.13606773]

>>13604333
>I want to see behind the metaphysical veil and glimpse Truth. Is it possible?
Yes, entirely. You are describing the beatific vision.

>Who do I need to read?
The Bible.

[Anonymous No.13607668]

>>13604333
Books cant do it find a master