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>Post books about sea based adventures
>What are you currently reading?

Monthly Reading for August: Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP


Science Fiction:

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:


>> No.13603293

sanderfag a hack

>> No.13603317

LitRPG is here to stay.

>> No.13603318

I would give my left nut for a genuinely well written, cringe free, highbrow fantasy series, but all i find is atrocious trash. Don't mention wolfe to me. I've read him and wasn't very impressed (though he's definitely a cut above other authors, stylistically at least).

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just finished A Canticle for Leibowirz

>> No.13603370

sffg has been overrun by a few dedicated and prolific spammers pushing their extremist agenda of trash works to help themselves reduce the dissonace they feel from exclusively reading garbage that they are addicted too and try to infect others with. They are a scourge and ought to be in a separate thread.

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>I would give my left nut for a genuinely well written, cringe free, highbrow fantasy series
Stephen Donaldson (Covenant)
Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman (Dragonlance Legends)
David Eddings (Belgariad)
Glen Cook
Steven Erikson
Raymond Feist
Joe Abercrombie
CS Friedman
Tad Williams
Daniel Abraham
Brandon Sanderson
R. Scott Bakker
Melanie Rawn
Terry Brooks
Peter Brett
Mark Lawrence
Robert Jordan
Terry Goodkind
Christopher Paolini

>> No.13603383

I'm going to choose to believe that you're a sincere idiot rather than a hapless troll.

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>open fantasy novel
>it has a map

>> No.13603395

Seconding the other anon. More willing to believe you're a retard than a troll.

>> No.13603396

What do you believe to be cringe? What does highbrow mean to you? Has anything came close?

>> No.13603400

>open fantasy novel
>cuss words in the Dedication Page
>close fantasy novel

>> No.13603404

Why haven't you left 4chan and never returned, for the same reason?

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>highbrow fantasy
Gormenghast and Lord Dunsany are probably the best you're gonna get. I think John Crowley's Little, Big is pretty underrated as well.

>> No.13603422

Why should I, prince of faggots?

>> No.13603438

>Monthly Reading for August: Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany
>Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

The book on the Google drive is Empire Star and does not contain Babel-17. Empire Star was supposed to be bundled with Babel-17 when it was released, but it wasn't, ???, publisher faggotry or something?

Does the Monthly Reading for August require Empire Star as well?

Please help, I is confused and I don't fancy 450+ pages.

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Any charts for novellas? Looking for something like this.

>> No.13603534

Now you have to leave yourself as well.

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The day internet stopped and the port was closed, it is true, your bell could be long distance as well like again facilitating commerce, but once you read, that getting home is the most valuable thing you can do all other things are just addendums, we should now why you respond me on your anime and not on my thread.

>> No.13603545

Dumb and bad. Filtered.

>> No.13603550

Not before I rape you.

>> No.13603555

Can't rape the willing.

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>> No.13603591

the witcher books were good desu

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Threadly reminder that litrpg, chinkshit, and other degeneracy belong in the chinkshit general

>> No.13603684

No one listens

>> No.13603754

there's a general for that?

>> No.13603772

I don't know how to look for the gay mc list in the archives please help . Thanks

>> No.13603777

That's the gay orcs biker gang one right ?

>> No.13603800

Yes, you are in it.

>> No.13603807

>Does the Monthly Reading for August require Empire Star as well?
Op here, not the monthly anon but I'm assuming yes, the nomination that won was for both Babel-17 and Empire Star. But from what I understand they can be read independently of each other so it's up to you if you don't want to read both.

The file in the Gdrive is fixed now. I had thought the first file had both Babel-17 and Empire Star as the title indicated but the person who scanned it left out Babel-17 and there are no copies I can find online that have both. Did a hack job merge of separate copies to create a new epub.

>> No.13603883

Is Ender's Game actually worth reading?
The first time I heard of it was from the trailer for the movie that came out a couple years ago, and that looked like Hunger Games-type coming of age YA schlock.

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>> No.13603895

Elaborate, or else I'll read it to be contrarian.

>> No.13603922

Not that guy but the MC is a high level autist

>> No.13603936

Of which variety, Confederacy of Dunces or Ready Player One?

>> No.13603971

Read it and you can elaborate for yourself

>> No.13603985

Fuck you.

>> No.13603987

Honestly if you’re older than 15 it’s not really worth it. It’s basically shinji from nge gets ptsd for being a child soldier light tier

>> No.13604002

>sea based
Liveship traders by Robin Hobb
>what are you reading
Shadowplay by Tad Williams. It’s a slog. Not sure if I can keep going

>> No.13604010

Fionavar tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay

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>Tad Williams. It’s a slog.

>> No.13604019

Ada Palmer shill, where do I start?

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>> No.13604101

Opinions on romance in fantasy?

>> No.13604120

Cringe when in the hands of bugmen writers.

>> No.13604227

rec me a good one please
pref modern or future setting

>> No.13604250

>tfw you finish a book and can't decide out of the 200 books on your list which to read next

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>> No.13604271

Rather slit my throat than read your litrpg harem trash.

>> No.13604288

A good writer can make just about anything palatable. Or you can read Robert Jordan romance and want to shoot all the characters and the author (after you bring him back from the dead first).

>> No.13604318

i just put them all on a spreadsheet and let rng decide

>> No.13604328

Be honest and just rename that to the "Smut Trash Recommendations".

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I need more, I've read all his books and need more.
Comedy + space travel is best, but if its just space travel that would be fine.
Any suggestions?

>> No.13604359

Rex Nihilo series

>> No.13604389
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I'm trying to get through Pandora's Star right now. I'm at the midway point and it's so incredibly slow and long and I'm having trouble keeping interest in it
Should I tough it out?

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It's pretty comfy desu

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>> No.13604419

Please recommend me books with a prominent love interest who is around for most of the plot and isn't the subject of a love triangle or an extended will-they-or-won't-they scenario.

>> No.13604446

I'll pass.

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Monthly anon here, I also assume yes. The stories can be read independently, and Babel-17 is the main one, but apparently Delany intended them to be read together.

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>> No.13604629

Are puns too lowbrow to be used these days in novels ?

>> No.13604644

Yeah it's on /tg/

Shadowmarch was a slog. Fuck Chert. MST was glorious except for Binabik

>> No.13604662

No one was talking to you, autist.

>> No.13604706

Try Pratchett

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Daily reminder that you are only allowed to have an opinion about a book if you have read it

>> No.13604751

i shall seal the heavens isnt good chinkshit imo. I say this as a chinkshit reader. How is harry potter and the methods of rationality? the writer seems like a mega sperg and i wasnt hooked on the first chapter

>> No.13604761

>good chinkshit
Oxymoron. ISSTH seems to be the one which most people find entertaining.
>How is harry potter and the methods of rationality?
It's generally agreed that you should read 5 chapters, and if you don't like it by then - drop it. It is not for everyone, but there are people who fetishize it to unreal extent. It is the big daddy of "rational" fiction, which means if you ever have fantasies about BTFOing others with your intelligence, you will love it.

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>> No.13604930

Nice try, Sanderson.

>> No.13604945

it's a book for redditors who sniff their own farts unironically

>> No.13604962 [DELETED] 

Yes we had Clinton investigated

>> No.13604975

>"rational" fiction
I had to look this up. Apparently it means "pure autism".

>> No.13604991

Its autism, but at least they see a problem when a guy who just got cured from amnesia attempts to conquer the biggest city in the universe without any prior preparation and negligible special powers.

>> No.13605015

I have no idea what you're referring to. But "Characters' actions should be coherently motivated" is hardly a novel observation.

>> No.13605054

Its more than motivation. Its about competent execution. Sure, real people make mistakes, and I am fine with characters making them as well. But there needs to be a believable level of competency in order for me to be able to relate to the character. If the stakes are so high, I just want characters to use their brains instead of doing stupid shit all the time and then getting away with it.
I was referring to Zelazny's Amber books, which are widely regarded as the best epic fantasy series around here. Almost all fantasy that is being written today, and was written during the pulpy era's starting in 1970's are like that, and I have become allergic to that nonsense.
Not to say that there are no good books (I have no complaints about authors like Wolfe, Crowley, or Peake, but this particular group of fantasy, focusing on planetary level conflict, power, sword & sorcery, and coming of age - in general fiction that is mostly about escapism - has become a haven for idiots. I was able to ignore that for a time, but now whenever I try to think about what I am reading instead of just enjoying it (I am looking at people like Sanderson, Moorcock, and similar) I find myself disgusted at the sheer ignorance of the characters and their inability to make sensible plans.
Now, rational fiction doesn't have these problems, but most writers, save for a few, are so autistic that other problems arise that make their works borderline unreadable for me.

>> No.13605125

A lot of those books don't have harem or smut.
When you read your Danielle Steele and other romance books do you call them smut?

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very based post that i completely agree with. Especially on the rationality autism trade off. Maybe its because only autists actually care enough to think that hard about fantasy stories

>> No.13605165

>But there needs to be a believable level of competency in order for me to be able to relate to the character
See 1:06 https://youtube.com/watch?v=NodMd2hhLaw
Just say you don't want plot holes. You sound like that autist that believes in laser eyes, but not newspaper demand.

>> No.13605179

> during the pulpy era's starting in 1970's
What the fuck are you blathering on about?

>> No.13605274

So I gotta wait till Halloween for uncrowned. The audiobook better come out the same time.

>> No.13605284

It's been over a decade since I read Amber, but wasn't that his plan long before he got amnesia, for which he had made extensive preparations, and acted as soon as he was able to catch them off-guard? Maybe I'm thinking of a different part. Or different book.

>> No.13605291

A fade to black after a kiss or something done in a loving sense is far more potent than a detailed lovemaking scene.
Opening the next chapter with her arms around her lover and their legs intertwined allows for a nice opening as well.

>> No.13605293

What is the consensus on Neil Gaiman ?

>> No.13605352

The quintessential basedboy before the term even came into use.

>> No.13605364

genreblob that follows whatever is currently popular, copies others and gets away with it. people fucking love him for it.

>> No.13605366
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is garth nix the best YA author of all time? I read a lot as a kid but his books out of the few I actually remember. his are consistently based.

>> No.13605376

This is an outright strawman. I don't believe in laser eyes, and I don't believe in superman economics. Its terrible, as is everything produced by Marvel/DC, save for the Alan Moore stuff (which is still substantially worse than the originals). Magic should be based on different laws of the universe, which is possible to believe in. The problem is in the consistency of the implications. If there was a nuclear war tomorrow, I could believe it. If no one ran to shelters as a result, I would find it ridiculous. It is not about the building blocks. Its about the consistency or lack thereof.
The rise of post-Tolkien epic, quick-paced power fantasy, that resembled Burrough and Lieber more than it did Tolkien and later transformed to nonsense like wheel of time. I could list many authors (like Moorcock, Farmer, and Zelazny), but literally just check the release dates of some list in goodreads.
He acted fast because Eric was about to be crowned, which we were told had no magical implications. I don't remember anything about catching them off-guard being mentioned, just a screeching guy thinking he can attack a much larger army in their seat of power, failing spectacularly, and then getting saved by deus ex machina wizard. Also his entire strategy consisted of "yeah, lets just sail to them and fight them".

>> No.13605414

What is the biggest betrayal you've ever experienced as a reader ?
Maybe an ending that wasn't like you hoped or something plot related that seemed like it was suddenly pulled out of the authors ass ?

>> No.13605419

I have 2 words for you fuck adare

>> No.13605424

Jesus fuck this is so accurate. The autists in these threads cry about maps not being accurate because people can't traverse x amount of distance in y time. They screech about maps needing to be more detailed so we can accurately plot the moleman's journey from the desolate wastes to pristine gardens of endless summer hidden deep in the mountains.

>> No.13605433

Right answer.
This made me seethe like never before. It's been years and I still get triggered at her name.

>> No.13605438

I have no idea who this is, can I get some more info about it ?

>> No.13605477

>It's magic, I ain't got to explain shit

>> No.13605496

Audiobooks never come at the same time for self pubs

>> No.13605509

Sister who betrays her brothers, causes one to die, blinds and leaves another to be tortured. She fucks her fathers murderer and has a kid with him. She also defends him from her brothers because “they need him” to fight the savages. Then gets everything she wants and faces no consequences for anything

>> No.13605512

what books?

>> No.13605527

Emperors blades trilogy

>> No.13605547

Not that fag, but I think there's a difference in asking your audience to accept super powers and expecting them to ignore glaring errors in the part that's supposed to be the "real" world.
Which is somewhat irrelevant in this case because the real problem is that Superman is a kids' comic about punching baddies that's 80 years old, and as far as I know has never really been about news reporting.

>> No.13605569

It kinda did for his last book.
He held back the release date of the ebooks so the audio can be released close together.
He is taking notes from Sullivan and his wife on how to successfully self published. One pointer they gave him was simultaneously releases, so the hype train wouldn't have lost all momentum when the audio is finally released.

I think that is why he pushed back the date. He wanted audio, paper and ebook to be released as one. Something probably didn't pan out, and he has to fix before publishing.

>> No.13605579

I can't believe the real estate this anon allows us to dwell in rent free. So spacious.

>> No.13605640
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Make me forget

>> No.13605698

Generally overrated, underrated in this general.

>> No.13605767

Hello, it is I, birdboi. I am wondering what you think about my new autism and why did you stop talking about me?

>> No.13605775

Spellmonger is decent YA fantasy book
You have few really big flaws, like how some relationships develop and how big they become, like how Minalan's got so attached to his wife, or how inept every other mage is for most parts

But it's fun to read, especially for light reading

>> No.13605958

I was going to read this , now i will not

>> No.13606042

You have to. You have to seethe with us.

>> No.13606047

I mean it’s still a fun enough read, the brothers are good characters but man, that sister of theirs is a piece of work.

>> No.13606052
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Any fantasy where the main love interest is a thicc barbarian/amazon bitch?

>> No.13606061

What about a thicc orc barbarian bitch?

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I mean I'll take that too, but I just assumed that female orc love interests are pretty damn rare. The only one I can think of with one is that litrpg harem series, Wild Waste I think it's called.

>> No.13606233

Damn she thicc, and yeah, that is the exact book I was suggesting. Only other places I saw it (well written) was doujins and hentais. I'm sure there are a bunch of wild wastes imitators that did and missed what made it work. also fuck driads

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This isn't a fanfic board, you fucking autismo

>> No.13606241

Neverwhere was good

>> No.13606243

It isn't the cosplay board either. I'm guessing your little ban hasn't thought you anything, huh?

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My vote goes to this is bait

>> No.13606272

Unironically only a pleb reads every book he criticizes.

>> No.13606350

>Unironically only a pleb reads books
I'm glad you admit you're just here to shitpost.

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>Loves the cringiest of cringe
>Hates the best of the best
You have terrible taste, sir
That's not cosplay and I'm not banned, sweaty

>> No.13606381

Mindless escapism good, a guy respected even in Academia bad?

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>> No.13606393

why would anyone ever read this garbage?

>> No.13606419
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Wheel of Time was pretty bad. The ending to Snow Crash similarly had no closure, but the whole book is satire so it kinda fits.
I prefer the James Franco cover
Also wheel of time
This world is going to shit

>> No.13606430

Can you fags just stop replying to the smut-posters? Where are like 3-4 of them at most and I am sick of your HATE SPEECH. They don't even post that much. Its you who are idiots for insulting them because their taste in entertainment is different from yours. The only thing your HATE SPEECH results in is the same arguments being reiterated every thread.
You are above smut, I get it, I don't like smut either, I would rather just watch porn. Now go back to pretending Conan is highbrow art that is somehow better than Daniel Black and stop diverting the discussion threads from actual books with your HATE SPEECH. This is an entertaiment general and people should be able to talk about whatever /sffg/ book they find entertaining without your HATE SPEECH intruding their safe space.

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I don't think they even read them. It's just bait.

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It's akshually quite similar.
Same whiny bitches like yourself being salty for being called out. Bad cosplay, ugly coord or you reading absolute dogshit - same energy.

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>Comparing Daniel Black to Conan
That S&S fag would tear you limb from limb if he wasn't such a DYEL.

>> No.13606601

Me either. Jeez...

>> No.13606602

Why? I can just look at these and know they’re shit

>> No.13606606

Don't bring that up here if you don't have a book to show for

>> No.13606609

It’s actually pretty good

>> No.13606638

Can you fuck off please
Go jerk off on /s/ or whatever then come back and post without your dick interfering

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>> No.13606878

I wouldn't even know a single one right now.

>> No.13606881

Red Dwarf books

>> No.13606883

I like the building parts of Daniel Black but the smut it too much.

>> No.13606892

There’s not even that much smut in them. Sure it’s not your thing, but there’s maybe 2-3 scenes per book.

>> No.13606911

I'm not a prude and I think it's good that there's some sex because it wouldn't be realistic otherwise but every female character that meets Daniel wants to fuck him, which is a bit of a drag. That being said. I like the building a lot. Have been thinking about writing a series that mostly revolves about a wizard building to stop assaults. The power stone idea is also nice because it explains away why all wizards can't build like that.

I'm thinking something along the lines of

>world made of mana (magic)
>mana takes all different forms
>wizard comes up with a way of taking matter and converting it to mana (which allows for large scale magic projects)
>allows him to do lots of large scale building

I really love the idea and people are so into building games like minecraft so I can't be the only one.

>> No.13606931

Keith Laumer's Jame Retief stuff.

>> No.13606944

Sounds like what Daniel Black should have been, instead of what it became. The problem with that is powercreep. Characters becomes so strong that nothing feels like a threat. That’s why for books like Black or the Arand books, the best ones are always one or two. More closely knit cast and they aren’t tossing miracles out every page.

>> No.13606979

>The problem with that is powercreep
I agree. I liked how Daniel had to come up with clever solutions to the problems he faced because his enemies were so much stronger than him (in some cases gods), but then he became strong enough to more or less directly fight gods. You don't need clever solutions when you're that strong. I think the books officially lost me when he went to Asgard.

>> No.13606992

>You don't need clever solutions when you're that strong
*Or at the very least: the clever solutions will be so fantastical that it's hard to suspend your disbelief and everything just becomes silly. (Which is what happened during the end of the last Daniel Black book.)

>> No.13606993

>NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:

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look at this smug dickhead
this is a man
welcome to cyberpunk cunt

>> No.13607096

>those feet

>> No.13607111

>One (1) foot
>obscured by shadow

>> No.13607171

You fuck off.

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>> No.13607407

Horrible fapbait. Looks like some fantasy shit not cyberpunk.

>> No.13607442
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Anyone read Summerland? Just polished it off, I'm usually a harder sci-fi neek so it was a nice change. The concept was pretty original and I enjoyed the setting.

>> No.13607443

it was intended to be a cover "photo" for an in-universe magazine, the kind where they get one vaguely famous person and build a whole issue around random shit about them

also the fantasy shit is intentional, the setting is basically the polar opposite of shadowrun. magic got discovered and used to solve the energy crisis, so now everything runs on magic in one way or another.

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Not barbarian but Shal Desanea from the Forgotten Realms Pools Trilogy by James Ward is a thicc Wizard,there are several timeskips in the trilogy so she goes from young tsundere to caring milf (her son is the mc of the third book)
>"Shal is a big, brawny woman standing well
over 6 feet tall and weighing in excess of 200 pound"
Also from Forgotten Realms,The Twilight Giants Trilogy by Troy Denning has Brianna,a half-giant amazon warrior princess.

>> No.13607544

Learn Japanese. English literature is dead.

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This is truly, in every sense of the word, DeviantArt tier.

Stop posting borderline obese brap hogs.

>> No.13607574

wow, you did a google image search, good job sherlock. I prefer artstation but it barely has any art compared to DA by the virtue of age

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Same artist, same energy.
That the art is shitty is not that important. What interests me is why did you choose this piece of crap to be the hill that you were going to die on?
Why defend it? Why not just move on?

>> No.13607623

i like cyberpunk with magic and autism projects

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>Stop posting borderline obese brap hogs.
Make me

>> No.13607656

I get that, but I wasn't making fun of your not-Shadowrun setting, just the uninspired art.

Hah, look at her. It's easier to jump over her than go around her.

>> No.13607672

You can think what you want, I like it.

>> No.13607715

I just think a lot less of you, nothing all that important.

>> No.13607729

why don't the faggots fork over a few hundred dollars for a decent cover? why would you waste hours writing schlock and then have a fucking third grade picture on your cover?

>> No.13607737

something something checks and balances bike cuck etc etc

>> No.13607743

They're terrible at marketing. It's that simple. Writing a short update each month on their writing process is also a little thing that would make a large impact marketing wise but few actually do it.

>> No.13608041

>something something checks and balances bike cuck etc etc

Are you having a stroke?

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Anyone read this shit?
How is it? Is it about dungeon building?

>> No.13608115

Because a few $100s is much more than most of them will ever make with their sales.

>> No.13608125

That author only writes stuff as an excuse for smut. How much actual building is involved .. no idea.

>> No.13608182

So he is pure smut? Pass. I thought he actually had a story to tell. Running low on "engineering" fantasy.

The ones that become successful usually update their covers if they made it big.

>> No.13608279

>Running low on "engineering" fantasy
What are your favourites anon?

>> No.13608333

So after re-reading Mel's chapter in ADWD Bran is one hundred percent going to become the last boss, right?

>> No.13608350

Yea, I dived into his stuff since whatever fucking algorithms amazon or other websites are running seem to fucking love his shit. All his stuff is aggressively mediocre and his smut doesn't even make up for it. I still haven't read DM or that succubus one but I really don't want to waste my time on his shit again.

>> No.13608382

Who cares? GoT completely destroyed any interest people had in the books, including myself.

>> No.13608385

Yes. But you’ll never see it happen because the fat man will not write.

>> No.13608390

It's bad.

Not really. It's like he wants to write it, but doesn't have the balls to pull it off. His books are all about a main character surrounded by girls, but he only fades to black when it comes to smut.

>> No.13608403

Give it to me straight, bros
How are the Malazan books?
Im halfway through the first and im really enjoying it. It was supposed to be the hardest and lamest one. Does that mean I will absolutely love what is coming next?

>> No.13608408


Also interesting how Mel's visions include three of the Stark kids: Jon, Arya, and Bran. Maybe Arya needs to be sacrificed in some way for Jon to save or kill Bran from TCOTF

>> No.13608412

It’s because Sansa isn’t really a stark anymore.

>> No.13608444


>> No.13608452 [DELETED] 

He's don't a few more hard core books but yeah most of his work is /e/ level harem stuff.

>> No.13608465

He's done a few more hard core books but yeah most of his work is /e/ level harem stuff.

>> No.13608477

Why are you deleting your posts?

>> No.13608542

alcohol is a fun drug

>> No.13608548

Loved how hopeless that book is.

>> No.13608550

That is cocaine, actually.

>> No.13608560

the 2nd is often considered the best, so yes

>> No.13608569
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I picked up this LitRPG. It looks pretty good.

>> No.13608582

>light novel

>> No.13608611

This is the sort of “people” who share this thread with us

>> No.13608626

We have no one but ourselves to blame.

>> No.13608631

He is a troll from /a/ shitting up the thread.

>> No.13608633

What's wrong with light novels? There isn't really anything different from regular novels except a few pages of manga art.

>> No.13608646

You do not even begin to have the basis of understanding why that's wrong.

>> No.13608653

Thread liveliness is more important than thread purity.

>> No.13608661

That’ll be 13.99 plus tip

>> No.13608666

It is a LitRPG in a sense. Can't see why its any different from the ones here >>13604261

>> No.13608678

I'm going to do a content analysis of these threads. It's entirely for my own interest, though I'll post the results anyway.

>> No.13608685

Thank you for providing a perfect example that asserts I'm correct.

>> No.13608687

Don't shit on my chart. I don't read any /a/utistic shit. Take your literal anime picture book back to /a/.

>> No.13608699

It's basically the same to everyone else. You're just upset because you don't want to admit it to yourself.

>> No.13608709

Please no more fighting! Let's talk about comfy fantasy novels and cute characters instead.

>> No.13608717

I would read any book once, but if it's shit I say so.

>> No.13608721

Yes it gets better during the second half

>> No.13608736

You're on the wrong site.

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Based Conan and his based Conanchads are based.

>> No.13608783

Asimovs Star Diaries

>> No.13608787

That's a horrible policy.

>> No.13608830

I've read some of those and they're shit.
Worm, Pact, Ptgte, ISSTH, Gods are Bastards HP fanfiction are all trash.

MoL is based, writing is a little shoddy though.

Wandering Inn is ok but the writing is great. Apparently the author actually had written full novels before albeit ones that got rejected by publishers but you can tell it's not just some bored highschooler doing the writing. The number of words he puts out on a weekly basis is amazing too.

I've heard good thing about Unsong and Release the Candle but I haven't read them yet.

You're missing Savage Divinity and Forge of Destiny, the former is especially good.

>> No.13608941

>threads moving sanic fast
>bunch of off topic shitpost
>people telling you about books they never read and why they are bad
>look at calender
>it's August
Everything is clear now.

>> No.13608976

nice blog post but no one cares

>> No.13608983

MoL is boring with a dull MC who just makes lists all the time plus his retard anime harem

>> No.13609009

He’s not blogposting newnigger

>> No.13609016

>his retard anime harem
The fuck are you on about? There's no harem or even romance of any kind in MoL.

>> No.13609088

A person doesn't need to experience something to know they won't enjoy it.

>> No.13609142

This is very relevant to this thread.

>> No.13609210
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>Half the thread is two autists talking about Harry Potter fanfiction and harem waifu shit

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Take the D&DPill

>> No.13609213

Who read Slade House by David Mitchell? I thought it was really fun, a twisted little puzzle box that gets more elaborate the deeper you go. I love the feeling I get of seeing one tiny section of a vast, strange world--I felt the same way about Cloud Atlas. Recommended.

>> No.13609304

And a quarter is a cosplay and amber fag posting his fav pics.

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But I haven't posted any pics yet, Anon
T. Amberchad

>> No.13609467

>you will never be a mage
feels bad man

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>> No.13609519

Currently reading The Legends of King Arthur and His Knights by Sir James Knowles. What about you guys?

>> No.13609528

*dickgi- I mean wizard

>> No.13609545

Thoughts on harems?

>> No.13609557

Neuromancer. Breddy gud so far

>> No.13609581

>worm is trash
>MoL is based

I unironically dont understand this. I like both but they both have the same slightly above fanfiction quality, but worm has a more interesting world and story.

>> No.13609748

Just about to wrap up Children of Blood and Bone. Any idea what to read next?

I was thinking that webnovel about the inn because someone mentioned the food porn. I'm curious what its quality is like, but if not it's been a while since I last read anything with a genius protagonist

>> No.13609793

Some historical fiction. Then I'll read Hyperion and after that the monthly reading. Or I might do it in the other order.

>> No.13609835

I think this is the webnovel shill thread.
I mean shill as it actually means, not the nonsensical meme meaning usually used used.

>> No.13609847

its more that its hard to find published mainstream sci fi/ fantasy that isnt really generic. Web novels are based if you can get past the fanfic tier writing, which tbqh if youre browsing sffg youve learned to do.

>> No.13609939

2/10 rationalization and justification.

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I get the feeling that most of them are shilling their own works. Where else would a weaboo that writes out his furry sex d&d campaigns hang out online?

>Web novels are based if you can get past the fanfic tier writing
>fanfic tier
Holy fuck HAHAHAHA "buttsex is pretty based if you can get past the dick in your ass"

>> No.13609972

Is there any sff story that addresses the fact that humanity is a sociopathy-driven species.

Like, even though 2/3 of humanity is good-natured, the remaining 1/3 naturally seek out positions of power that the other 2/3 have no interest in giving them total control over the population and the ability to abuse and exploit with impunity, as well as the authority and experience to warp any story to benefit them, the power to build blindspots into their own legal systems to exploit and the influence to corrupt decent people

>> No.13609984

How is that ?

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>Web novels are based if you can get past the fanfic tier writing
Why read poorly written smut when I can read good smut instead?

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She marries Draco in book 6

>> No.13610083

How do I write a genius with anger issues who doesn't come off as some obnoxious rick sanchez knockoff?

>> No.13610099

Don't have him be the protagonist or don't try to glorify him by making him cool.

>> No.13610101

By learning about them.
Some choices:
1. Read biographies
2. Read history
3. Read fiction with that
4. Meet such people
5. Don't write it at all
6. Get better memes and references.

>> No.13610107

my plan was have him get humiliated or ass-kicked at every turn. For every success there's three failures or humiliations.

>> No.13610124

What about you don't write anything? We don't need your nonsense.

>> No.13610129

Children of Time. I like it so far, just started part 5

>> No.13610133

Watch House MD

>> No.13610190

This brings me back, my teacher loaned me that book in high school, took me 4 years to give it back. Jerked off to it, can't remember what part but I was desperate.

>> No.13610210

Unironically this

>> No.13610240

>grand visionary constantly gets fucked up by tiny details which, though easy to fix, set him off because he didn't see them coming
>angry mostly at himself when he makes mistakes
there, done

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I didn't think there would be something worse than constantly discussing fantasy 24/7 but there is - discussing litrpgays and chinkshit 24/7.
They don't think it be like that but it do.

>> No.13610284

>not just calling it SPECULATIVE FICTION

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>that part in Dark Age where the well-regulated militia McgunBoats team up to blast the Red Hand
That was a brutal book though, I hope Pierce is OK. It was like all the edge from the other Red Rising books put together.

>> No.13610309

That last segment where they're modern again, they've crawled all the way back up from the new dark ages, but they're as hopeless to stop the destruction as that shark in the last paragraph.

>> No.13610349

>geography extremely important to events of a fantasy novel
>no map

>> No.13610368

First story is the best
>tfw no sorcerer caliph constantly giving your family fun curses

>> No.13610369

Is it better than book 4?

>> No.13610376

Yeah, all the boring political scenes turn into bloodbaths, the entire first quarter is one long mech battle on Mercury, Lyria does less whining and more shooting, Ephraim watches a space viking king eat his heart

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What kind of Digimon does he have sex with?

>> No.13610387

Wandering Inn is enjoyable, but really long.

>> No.13610437

Only the lowest of the low have the time and interest to post here. What do you expect?

>> No.13610443

Takes literally less than a minute to post something here, everyone have that kind of time.

>> No.13610450

>this is a man

>> No.13610461

This is honestly a real thing that I'm worried about with writing my own novel and sending it to a publisher.
I'd rather not get paid at all than have a cookie cutter muscular warrior holding a sword on it like 75% of fantasy novels I see released these days.
Just seeing those covers put me off from reading them even though they might be excellent, they're probably not but there might be a gem amongst them that I'll never find because of the damn cover.

>> No.13610475

Ubik since an anon suggested it to me a long time ago.

>> No.13610477

>Why read poorly written smut when I can read good smut instead?
Not that anon but what would be an example of good smut ?
I've never seen any attempt at writing a smut scene that was even close to competent.

>> No.13610490

>why don't the faggots fork over a few hundred dollars for a decent cover? why would you waste hours writing schlock and then have a fucking third grade picture on your cover?
focus testing. believe i or not certain kinds of covers sell better even if they look worse.
there is a certain type of science behind it too.
also covers aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of things. the authors on that list despite appearing to be niche are selling gangbusters thanks to the kindle unlimited program. some update their covers. others update their covers to be worse for said marketing reasons. book covers range from 50$ to 200$ usually. its not much money. some even make them for free and instead want a like 1-3% cut or so form the profits.
this is what most indie authors actually opt for.

>> No.13610528

>How do I write a genius with anger issues who doesn't come off as some obnoxious rick sanchez knockoff?
By making his anger have a legitimate reason.
Nobody is angry simply due to them having it as a personality trait.
Maybe he knows he is getting old and his time on this earth is coming to an end, so he's always on edge to make something that he'll be acknowledged for and remembered by.
Maybe he simply sees other people as incompetent due to previous experiences and is annoyed by them being around him and messing with his flow. I once was made legitimately angry from having to explain what printer toner was to someone who kept track of office supplies for a living, after attempting for half an hour to explain what printer inkt was I had to take a break as to keep myself from lashing out at someone unintentionally.
Maybe he hasn't gotten closure for something that hurt him a long time ago, a collegue that took the work he did as his own and did not credit him, maybe his wife left him due to him being too absorbed in his work.
There are as many reasons for people to be angry as there are for people to be happy.
I think the best question to ask is, if you were that man, why would you be angry ?

>> No.13610532

>Unironically picking revshare
This is the most horrible thing I've read on this board.

>> No.13610543

its cheaper for someone just starting out really.
later most opt for paying a lump sum.
its a good deal for someone who literally just published a book.

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>focus testing.
Can you imagine writing something that is aimed at human failures that would find this cover intriguing?
Does the author think he can not do any better? Or, even worse, does the author think that pandering to such a group constitutes quality writing?
The lack of ambition is just amazing.

Is it that hard to scrap together 200+ dollars for a decent cover?

>> No.13610555

>Can you imagine writing something that is aimed at human failures that would find this cover intriguing?
anime fans. 90% of litrpg audience either like video games or anime or both. id imagine a cover like that would appeal to them.

you gotta be able to think about what would appeal to someone anon. just because something doesnt make sense to you doesnt mean it does not for someone else.

>> No.13610577

I cannot imagine why someone wouldnt just try and make something themselves or pay someone for it and get it over with.
There are so many tools these days for creating a cover and even more for complex stuff like maps that would end up costing less than revsharing a poorly selling novel, even if it was only 1 cent per sale you had to give away.

>Is it that hard to scrap together 200+ dollars for a decent cover?
This is my exact same thought, saving a dollar a week would save up more than enough by the time the book is anywhere near publishing quality.

>> No.13610666

>1 cent is too much
>USD200 is nothing
You think these things are regularly selling 20k copies?

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You don't get it, I am not talking about the supposed audience for that crap. I am well aware of vidya/chinese cartoons aficionados.
What I am talking about is someone *writing* for them.
Is he that unsure of the quality of his work? Or is he that delusional to think that there is any quality in writing about dozen or so tired tropes being recycled in those mediums.
Let's say you want money, first and foremost. Why not go into romance or mystery/thriller, both genres far more lucrative than badly written blow by blow of D&D campaigns?
If you want to write about video games, why not write directly for them, either as a designer or through some tie-in novel?
If you want to write about anime, well, there is really no hope for you.

You have no input on the cover if you are being published but doing it by yourself?
Dropping half a months paycheck (or the whole month) for something that you worked on for years seems like a no-brainer.

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This. I think the authors are somehow more deluded that their readership, which is impressive in a sad way.

>> No.13610756

The authors are probably writing books like that because they like reading books like that.

>> No.13610887

Ded wolf

>> No.13610916

Is magic realism just a snob way to say fantasy or urban fantasy or is it genuinely different from the two?

>> No.13610925

It's just a snob way of saying fantasy.

>> No.13610943
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Reading books like Lord Dunsany's The King of Elfland's Daughter, Poul Anderson's The Broken Sword and Terry Pratchett's Lords and Ladies, besides comic books like The Sandman, has made me realize some of the appeal of Christianity for pagans.

All these works have elves standing for paganism, they represent the wonder of an enchanted world, its art and poetry, and at the same time the ambiguous Nietzschean morals (or amorality) of pagans, who don't really see good and evil and are beyond the possibility of salvation. In such a world where magic is used as much as a tool to harm others as a instrument of wonder, is it any surprising that weary people would find consolation in a religion that promised protection from such spells?

Christianity is a rest, a repose. I see now why in African, Asian and Latin American countries so many people are leaving traditional religions and converting to Christianity (and Islam, I guess it works according to the same logic). As they say in my own country: "hexs doesn't harm believers".

>> No.13610968

Based and redpilled post.
Its kinda like why people get anxious after reading about Sartre's version of existentialism; there's something in humans that doesn't want to be held responsible and doesn't want to be a part of a chaotic system where individual actions matter, and the human is key. Monotheistic religions provide the single-minded serenity that comes from simplicity and stability.

>> No.13610971

Internal consistency > magical realism

>> No.13610984

Why do you need a fantasy? You are living it right now.

>> No.13610990

Stop writing angry protagonist. Every fucking self published book has angry protagonists.

>> No.13611002

The political shit wasn't the problem with book 4, it was the forced pandering. And book 5 will of course continue with such pandering.

>> No.13611011

Imagine being this retarded.

>> No.13611065

It's funny that retards who live in their mom's basement tell other people who are struggling that x amount of money is no problem to drop on something that might not even sell.
There are many ebooks with great covers that have zero ratings.

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Kino cover coming through

>> No.13611121

I read Foundation and stooped with the Mule. I don't have any desire to read any further now that best boy is dead.
Why do I feel so empty inside? Any reason to read further?

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>> No.13611132

Usuallly anime shit turns me off pretty quick, but the real agregious part is the contents of the image itself. looks like its trying to apeal to the lowest common edgy denominator. At least this>>13611103 is at least remotely tasteful (or not so blatantly pandering)

Also timely reminder that, imo, anime style has horible faces with little detail. they all look like upside down broadheads, have little jaw definition (besides jojo) and little facial detail.

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>> No.13611248

informative post

>> No.13611278

The Mule fucks up the plan, aren't you interested in how that turns out?

>> No.13611303


Yes it's definitely worth persevering. It's the first novel in a string of PFH books, they get better and better when you have a handle on the universe he creates.

>> No.13611311

Who do you think you are false flagging? We know >>13611103 is you.

>> No.13611326

You are so tasteful that you will starve with food all around you, just because it wasn't cooked in a 5 million dollar kitchen by a 5 star chef with 30 years of experience.

>> No.13611643

He must have converted me as well. A Foundation story after the Mule, without the Mule, is incomprehensible to me.

>> No.13611858

she cute

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>> No.13611950

Can an adult enjoy Redwall, or is it too "kiddy"?

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Is there any book where a parent was autistic enough to calculate how much money a child cost them?
I mean from the moment they realize a child is in the womb and the mother is eating more. Is there any work where they calculated the extra food the mother needed to eat, the clinic and doctor visits, the price of birthing, diapers, increased food of mom breastfeeding, formula, day care, schooling, toys, food, clothing, transportation, repairs / replacement of things broken, education, etc? Every single thing the child cost the parent(s) for the 18 years of their life?
Because where I live the exchange rate is $1(us) to $100. And I just thought that if a parent were to tell their kid (after an argument) to pay back the money they owed it would be in the millions, I'm sure in America it would be in the hundreds of thousands.

Any work that has anything close to this?

>> No.13611970

>$200 per cover
I hope you realize that a lot of these self-published authors put out a book once every few months if not more often. That adds up quickly. They make a lot less than you'd think according to a survey of author incomes.

I wish you were a troll rather than a complete idiot.
>a dollar a week
>200 weeks
>4 years
>1 cent per sale
Ha ha, no.

>worked years on
Months at most

>having the luxury of losing an entire month's paycheck
What a joke.

>> No.13611978

That's the wrong question.
The only question that matters is, "Am I able to enjoy it?"
The only way to find out is to try.

>> No.13611990

Imagine typing all of this out rather than simply typing a quick google search to get a information you could ever want.


And tons more resources.

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Ackshually, it's a weeb way of saying SciFi, where the physics obey a different ruleset.
Very interesting analysis, anon. You are very clearly not a faggot, and further, are likely both based and Chadpilled. I hadn't thought of Dunsany in that light. This board needs more posts like this.

>> No.13612104

Adults can enjoy whatever they like without asking the internet's permission.

>> No.13612161

Bad post but good girl.

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Redwall is a classic. That anon and you litrpg fags are not the same.

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Looks like some yaoi crap.


>I hope you realize that a lot of these self-published authors put out a book once every few months
What a joke indeed.

>> No.13612636

you can get a decent piece of cover artwork for like fifty bucks

>> No.13612652
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I'm glad the covers are so shitty and cringey. It lets me know what to avoid, the way most venomous animals stand out as a warning. Can you guys imagine what would happen if they had decent art and blended in with real books? Utter chaos.

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>> No.13612678

What a terrible heuristic.

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Fucking kek. I love these donut steels
Ehh... You're only obliquely aware of what that word means, but it's close to what you're trying to say so I'll give you a pass

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>Likes: Being Different
>Hates: European Weapons, Mainstream Bards

>> No.13612871

>not writing a book about your dnd campaigns to fund minis and books for new campaigns
fucking plebs

>> No.13612872

I love this donut steel "comedy"
How can I translate this sort of satyre humor into my own writings, or what can I read that has a similar type of 4chan humor?

>> No.13612880

unironically read shitty edgy wattpad fanfictions and then emulate that style without the retarded "grammer"

>> No.13612924

Boys, can someone recommend me a book like Lord of Mysteries/Mother of Learning?

>> No.13613023

I just finished The Godwhale, it's not that good as some anon said in an earlier thread. The sequel, Half Past Human, is much better in my opinion and basically tells the same story. Also, I felt more attached to the characters in the first novel than in the second one, including machines

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>> No.13613032

i meant the prequel. Godwhale is the sequel actually, although the only thing they have in common is the setting

>> No.13613249

It's much easier to destroy than create.
It's much easier to ruin than maintain a thread.

>> No.13613321

Has anyone else read Rules-free VRMMORPG Life or other stories by Stuart Grosse and can recommend me some similarly degenerate shit that still has enough traditional fantasy stuff to keep me interested in more than just fapping (I could go to asstr or some other place for pure fapfiction after all).

>> No.13613337

Skeleton Soldier is good but its a weebcomic rather than a novel

>> No.13613391

I started City of Champions Online by Stuart Grosse but it was horrifying woke male feminist garbage.

>> No.13613393

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

>> No.13613431

Oh, I skipped that one automatically because it seemed like it would be more about his leftist ideology than his fetishes and enjoyment of fantasy cliches. Lewd Dungeon and VRMMORPG are very entertaining degenerate wish-fulfillment though. Well, except for the Dolcett stuff but at least the mcs are actually evil as fuck and who wouldn't want to visit the Queen of Succubi and enjoy an orgy including deflowering and impregnating both the daughter of Pelor and an actual (depowered) goddess of self-righteousness/justice?

>> No.13613636

>I could go somewhere else for fap fiction
Then go there, you microdicked faggot

>> No.13613657

Who the fuck jacks off to books? Were you molested or something?

>> No.13613660

Someone make a new thread. Thread Slut is being a faggot.

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>> No.13613736

I am sorry for offending your sensibilities

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