/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13603220]

Essential military lit?

[Anonymous No.13603233]

>>13603220

[Anonymous No.13603251]

This:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Don't buy the Jew meme

[Anonymous No.13603252]

[Anonymous No.13603376]

>>13603220
Storm of Steel
Iliad
Tribe: On becoming and belonging
Black Hawk Down
Homage to Catalonia
Blood Meridian

[Anonymous No.13603466]

>>13603233
>>13603251
not helpful
>>13603376
thanks, i've got storm of steel and homage on my list already, but i'll check out the others.

[Anonymous No.13603473]

>>13603220
Join the military and you'll have many essential stories of your own

[Anonymous No.13603511]

>>13603466
Also try Quiet on Western Front. Possibly Storm of Steel's opposite perspective on war

[Anonymous No.13603515]

>>13603220

On War (Clausewitz)
All Quiet on the Western Front
Dispatches
Storm of Steel
The Things They Carried
Catch-22
Black Hawk Down (the book, not the movie)

[Anonymous No.13603547]

>>13603511
already read it, but it was excellent - thank you anon.
>>13603515
ive never heard of dispatches, i'll have to check it out!

Can I hijack my own thread and get some recommendations on military tactics? I have experience with Alexander and Hannibal's campaigns, but not much else.

[Anonymous No.13603666]

>>13603547

Dispatches is by Michael Herr, and consists of his observations in Vietnam while working for Esquire. It's essential. If you liked the movie Full Metal Jacket, the book it's based on, The Short-Timers, is also worth a look

Another two I forgot to mention: A Bright Shining Lie (NOT the film, although all hail Bill Paxton) and Matterhorn by Marlantes

[Anonymous No.13604506]

Counterinsurgency by David Kilcullen is essential modern warfare reading. He has a few other books too which are good but not really essential.

[Anonymous No.13604589]

The Return of the Soldier

[Anonymous No.13604606]

People's history of the United States

[Anonymous No.13604620]

>>13603220
Reminder that there is nothing glorious or just about serving in a modern military. You're a piece of meat for our Oligarch overlords to throw at some 3rd world country to secure access to whatever it is they're after. Unless you're doing it for personal reasons, you're a chump and you deserve to be mowed down by some brown teenager with a Soviet-era rifle.

[Anonymous No.13604716]

>>13604620
Wow, your latest piercing looks really fucking cool Trent, can you stop talking about geopolitics now?

[Anonymous No.13604738]

The art of war. Suprised nobody posted it yet.
It goes on for a long time about practical strategic advice like how to fight on harsh terrain ect. but most of it is outdated. But then there are the parts the book is worth reading for. For example, the way Sun Tzu explains the principles of punishment in the military is absolute kino.

[Anonymous No.13604743]

Redeployment by Phil Klay

[Anonymous No.13604787]

>>13604743
I second this.

Also, The Yellow Birds by Kevin Powers and Youngblood by Matt Gallagher.

[Anonymous No.13605283]

>>13604716
"Don't throw your life away and commit some atrocities to enrich a stranger" is basic human decency, you trashy moronic redneck.

[Anonymous No.13605332]

if you are in a western military or any NATO country military kill yourself.
if you are in the military of any other country (except israel), full respect to you for sacrificing your life to defend your country

[Anonymous No.13605367]

I was conscripted for a year and it was a generally enjoyable experience. I would defend my country in war.

[Anonymous No.13605514]

>>13605367
I volunteered and also enjoyed it a lot

[Anonymous No.13605750]

>>13603252
>reading translations

[Anonymous No.13605760]

Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
The Sorrows of Empire
Johnny Got His Gun

[Anonymous No.13605788]

>>13604620
Another Frankfurt School graduate here I see. Probably thinks he is an anarchist, too.
kek

[Anonymous No.13605808]

>>13605788
>another graduate of the Frankfurt school
Daily reminder that cultural Marxism was a myth and Adorno hated boomers and the Soviet union and thought consumerism was destroying aesthetic beauty in the modern world

[Anonymous No.13605827]

>>13604620
<doing it for personal reasons
Volunteer army.

Sure is awfully summer in here

[Anonymous No.13605831]

>>13605332
I will ejaculate to your destruction by drone

[Anonymous No.13606180]

>>13605788
I just have a set of eyes and my mind is clear from the disease of nationalism.
>>13605827
What I was referring to is programmes like America's G.I Bill. If you're in it because you can't pay for college, then I understand. If you're in it because you think it's a moral thing to do you deserve a bullet.

[Anonymous No.13606255]

Which edition of Storm of Steel is best? I know the penguin edition is heavily edited and a biased translation

[Anonymous No.13606284]

>>13605831
enjoy your multi billion dollars aircraft getting destroyed by a 1000$ rocket

[Anonymous No.13606297]

Post-Traumatic God by David Peters

[Anonymous No.13606335]

>>13606284
Yeah, when you get the best toys that means you have to handle the envy of everyone else. Look back into one of your Euro books, a couple hundred years ago you guys used to be just as cool as us.

[Anonymous No.13606376]

>>13605283
muhtrocities

[Anonymous No.13606377]

The Things They Carried, about truth, and the banality of war

[Anonymous No.13606388]

Catch 22

[Anonymous No.13606396]

Xenophon is the key.

[Anonymous No.13606402]

One Soldier's War in Chechnya - Arkady Babchenko

Some parts are probably not completely true, but it's still miles ahead of anything an american could write.

[Anonymous No.13606404]

Execute Against Japan
Blind Man's Bluff - cold war era submarine stuff, really interesting
Military Strategy: A General Theory of Power Control by JC Wylie
Utmost Savagery: The Three Days of Tarawa

[Anonymous No.13606474]

>>13605332
https://youtu.be/c3cns6JsUt8

[Anonymous No.13606479]

>>13606388
Yes

[Anonymous No.13606483]

>>13606335
lol i love american undermining posters

[Anonymous No.13606675]

>>13604620
A cartoonish simplification, and I've scarce faith in there being much virtue in war, but it's more so the situation that if your "oligarchs" sit out the game while their Turkish and French and Russian and non-aligned Israeli-Euro coalition equivalents play, one of them may win it all or else despoil your interests and leave you worse off, gaining you only, what, some subgenres valorizing conflict avoidance? The Smedley Butler view of war is incomplete insofar as it neglects the pan continental psychologies stoked, be they born of victory or defeat or surrender or utter destruction and those powers cleave and exile peoples and languages, fissuring where we must. I'm not saying these justify or make war "good" but there's much more to it, the carnage cultivatable in the human being, in the tunnel rat the same as the ambush waiting to spring with knives and relentlessness, not for sport or national service in this case but defense of home from barbarian invaders. Defending your home from a venomous snake or rabid animal requires a brief departure from grocery logistics. To be invaded is to require dwelling in a similar mode for years on end, thrashing garden tools, construction materials or specialized weapons, whatever is needed to survive, not merely your own but the larger thing. Americans "ruggedly" suppose they can exclude the "nation" notation and escape these natural processes. They really just flee nobility and honor, occasions for us to buttress and defend and uphold, like weatherman rushing to the hurricane's tidal surge, we are delivered now.

[Anonymous No.13606698]

>>13605808
Daily reminder that cultural marxim is real, and the role of all leftist worldwide is to pretend so hard it doesn't that soon it will completely concretize itself. I don't know if you are lying on purpose or you teacher fooled you, but i know you are a useful idiot, an dangerous useful idiot.

[Anonymous No.13606702]

>>13606675
>I've scarce faith in
Dropped

[Anonymous No.13606768]

>>13606702
I required a deconflicted zone in the minds of the popular anti-Uncle Sam territory. There may be instead most or all virtue in war, insofar as it forges things that cannot be done by making partner or board president or Emeritus chair, not to the spirits in us that witness great people fighting for their lives, or one better vanquishing evil. Like torching a den that stole eggs from your family only the pillbox slayed four of your cousins and two brothers and was spitting death until, thank God, something jammed, and they could be rushed and destroyed, you are filled with a sense completion, retribution, of being the harmonic whip of wars waveform toil, sent to survival by means not entirely earthly. You fucked with those fuckers who went out of their way to fuck with you and yours. Maybe they were such far gone war scorched goblins they'd a legend of savagery, one that required you not flinch and embrace exactly the same demon hood to spirit you across all cruelty and evil and just kill them, just give me enough evil to get them, Lord. I'm your instrument. That sort incantation will quite literally, in a nicotine and adrenal inflection state inquire directly to evil itself, making ourselves appear tempting irresistible vessels for evil. Choose me! I shall do your bidding, just give me what I must to protect these men. Let me not fail them nor my family.

[Anonymous No.13606802]

The Lord of The Rings

[Anonymous No.13606836]

If you want something more recent I would recommend Generation Kill. The HBO miniseries is top quality as well - it manages to stay impressively close to the book.

[Anonymous No.13606868]

>>13606768
Terrible writing pls stop

[Anonymous No.13606899]

>>13603220
Forever War, novel
Extreme Ownership, SEAL stories and some training
On Guerrilla Warfare, by Mao, what more need be said

[Anonymous No.13606919]

This book is fantastic, one of the most interesting things I’ve read this year.

[Anonymous No.13606942]

>>13603220
This one, but there's no free epub online so it's on my list of things to buy once I stop being piss poor.

[Anonymous No.13607015]

War by Sebastian junger
Talks about a FOB in Afghanistan with the 101st airborne in a valley that had 85% of the GWOT confrontations happen

[Anonymous No.13607181]

King Rat

[Anonymous No.13607314]

>>13606868
I'd have your rosebud sleeved to my femur pipe, a remnant of better quarry than you, cuck. Do you want to literally mess with IRL Bane, someone who receives the Joker and the Great Milinko as his sifus? You'd be a smear on a porno shoot audio tech's vibrams before you knew what hit you. I'd see your whole contemporary lineage strung like prayer flags, wind socks billowing beside a brap barn. Frying up "mammy's" milkers while she howls for death from her inverted crucifix, I'd ask you if you were ready for another matrilineal labia meat panini, a thick pussied stack which piled ? Your Pee-Paws penis pate and tallywacker terrine will be ready shortly. But most exciting of all, the broth derived from your siblings brappers is smelling unctuous and fatty and we shall cook some of your parts in it too.

[Anonymous No.13607345]

>>13607314
That's pretty Twisted, anon.

[Anonymous No.13608968]

How has nobody posted Thucydides? It is literally essential military lit in a way nothing else is, except perhaps On War or Art of War (which aren't so much literature as manuals for military strategy).

[Anonymous No.13609105]

Caesar's commentaries on the Gallic Wars

[Anonymous No.13609516]

God I wish I went SOF instead of getting an education

[Anonymous No.13609630]

>>13608968
This. Thucydides is based.

Also, check out The Outpost, by Jake Tapper. It, along with GK, is good prep for the incompetence you'll have to deal with if you enlist.

[Anonymous No.13609642]

>>13603220
The pocket Havamal, read about Norse saga's/folklore.
It's approved in the U.S. military.

[Anonymous No.13609993]

>>13609516
Why not be an educated warrior?

[Anonymous No.13610290]

>>13603220

A Time For Trumpets (full account of the battle of the bulge)
On War
Men Against Fire
Black Hawk Down
China Marine & Within the Old Breed by Eugene Sledge
Generation Kill & One Bullet Away
Helmet for my Pillow by Robert Leckie
The Influence of Sea Power upon History
Achtung - Panzer!
Ordinary Men
Five Years to Freedom
Infantry Attacks by Erwin Rommel
Parachute Infantry by David Webster

[Anonymous No.13610310]

>>13603376
The Jungers are my favorite pro-war duo.

[Anonymous No.13610318]

>>13604620
>You're a piece of meat for
You were one the moment you were born. We're an institutionalized species.

[Anonymous No.13610332]

>>13608968
Oh shit I was reading this exact book last week. These Landmark editions are pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.13610804]

>>13604620
80% of the military is noncombatants, 90% will never see any sort of combat in the unlikely event they're deployed in SOME militaries. in MOST militaries deployment is not a possibility nor is combat. shut the fuck up you whiny piece of shit you don't know anything you're just repeating some cringy shit someone told you almost wordforword.

[Anonymous No.13610891]

the quiet american - graham greene
The sorrow of war - Bao ninh
The thin red line - james Jones
To the White Sea - james Dickey

I like a lot of the other books listed, but these I added have characters in the thick of war but mentally standing on the sideline of all the action

[Anonymous No.13611020]

>>13603376
Where Generation Kill at, dawg?

[Anonymous No.13611027]

I want to add With the Old Breed by Eugene Sledge. It was used as inspiration for his story for HBO's The Pacific.
Truly gruelling, harrowing and depressing reading.

[Anonymous No.13611061]

>>13605283
Fatty is mad he can’t do push-ups

[Anonymous No.13611067]

>>13606284
>live in the backwater shithole of Serbia
>the only thing you can celebrate is shooting down one (1) bomber from the 1970s