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[Anonymous No.13600875]

Is there anyone who can refute this argument?

[Anonymous No.13600878]

maybe god doesn't waste his time trying to explain himself in the same way you don't waste your time trying to persuade mosquitos not to bite you

[Anonymous No.13600900]

>b-but muh free will

1931 china floods. 4 million dead.
1970 Bhola Cyclone. 500k dead.
2010 Haiti Earthquake. 316k dead.
1920 Haiyuan earthquake. 273k dead.
2004 indian tsunami. 227k dead.
1935 Yangtze river flood. 145k dead.
1923 Great Kanto earthquake. 143k dead.
1991 Bangladesh cyclone. 138k dead.

No free will sophistry will justify this. Your god is a mass murderer.

The free will argument is bullshit anyway. Thanks god for letting this backwards warlord cut off my hands and cut out my eyeballs and cut my mother's breasts off and rape my wife and kill my kids; at least the fucker has free will!

[Anonymous No.13600905]

>>13600878
if he were truly all powerful couldn't he just beam explanations in peoples heads with out even trying

[Anonymous No.13600913]

Christians will say evil is actually good

[Anonymous No.13600923]

>>13600875
>>13600900
>>13600905
>>13600913
I will pray for you

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13600924]

>>13600875
It’s not something to refute, it’s there as your choices. Since there is no god coming down and letting us know how he/she/it/they actually are, we turn to this and pick one (1) and only one.

[Anonymous No.13600955]

>>13600905
Yes, but if you try to force an answer out of a Christian, Jew or Muslim about that they will just claim something along the lines of that God is already self evident and that you either have no soul or hate God to deny it.

[Anonymous No.13600966]

>>13600923
to what god?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13600975]

>>13600966
Their giant schlong volcano god, Yhwh and his son/foreskin Jesus

[Anonymous No.13601903]

>>13600875

evil is good because god created it, and god is good

[Anonymous No.13601924]

>>13600875
There's nothing in the Bible to suggest that God is literally omnipotent. In fact, the later idiotic claims of him being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent are directly refuted by every appearance he makes in scripture. If you throw a little pagan limitations of power back into the mix, and make Satan an actual adversary again, it really helps the logic.

[Anonymous No.13601930]

Not even religious but to think a mere Greek philosopher can define "evil" and hold it up against a supposedly supreme deity is laughable.

[Anonymous No.13602333]

>>13601930
>laughable
why

[Anonymous No.13602343]

>>13600923
>I'll pray for you

[Anonymous No.13602364]

>>13600875
no, he debunked Judaism

[Anonymous No.13602427]

that paradox is called faith. the other option is living in infinite resignation

[Anonymous No.13602435]

>>13602427
Your mom lives in infinite resignation. To my dick.

[Anonymous No.13602452]

>>13602435
you are in defiant despair, but that's okay: you can work through this

[Anonymous No.13602464]

>>13600900
God just hates pajeets, ching-chongs and similar. It is a white man's god, after all.

[Anonymous No.13602472]

>>13602452
will you pray for me?

[Anonymous No.13602474]

>>13600905
If God was omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent simultaneously, then none of us exist. Only God exists. It's mathematically impossible otherwise to reconcile the existence of such a being with the existence of any other beings.

[Anonymous No.13602476]

>>13600875
>IF GOD REAL WHY BAD THING HAPPEN

[Anonymous No.13602497]

>>13602476
A valid question when using a word like omnipotent. It either means God isn't omnipotent or it means God is malevolent. The truth is that he's malevolent, God was Adam, Eve, the snake, and the whole garden at once.

[Anonymous No.13602499]

>>13602476
>IF BAD THING HAPPEN THEN GOD MUST NECESSARILY BE GOOD

[Anonymous No.13602512]

>>13602497
read plotinus faggot

[Anonymous No.13602524]

>>13602512
>go read hundreds of pages of this literally who
why don't you summarize the main points?

faggot

[Anonymous No.13602527]

>>13600875

his name is schelling

[Anonymous No.13602578]

>>13602472
no, do it yourself
I am not your mother
acknowledge your own freedom

[Anonymous No.13602586]

>>13600875
If evil didn't exist we wouldn't know good

[Anonymous No.13602610]

>pain
>death
>a moral evil

[Anonymous No.13602616]

the ways of god are mysterious

[Anonymous No.13602621]

>>13602586
There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.

[Anonymous No.13602635]

>>13602621
I believe so since we can't grasp the nature of things but only its appearances

[Anonymous No.13602644]

>>13602524
>Nor may we grant that this world is of unhappy origin because there are many jarring things in it. Such a judgement would rate it too high, treating it as the same with the intelligible realm and not merely its reflection. And yet — what reflection of that world could be conceived more beautiful than this of ours? What fire could be a nobler reflection of the fire there than the fire we know here? Or what other earth than this could have been modeled after that earth? And what globe more minutely perfect than this, or more admirably ordered in its course could have been conceived in the image of the self-centered circling of the world of intelligibles? And for a sun figuring the divine sphere, if it is to be more splendid than the sun visible to us, what a sun it must be.

[Anonymous No.13602678]

>>13600875
We have this fucking thread every fucking hour. Try and not be a brainlet for once. Everyone recognizes this as terrible fucking rhetoric. At least make your time useful and excersize your rhetoric by showing all the fucking holes and massive leaps he takes, while just playing them off like theyre granted. This guy was a fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.13602702]

>>13602678
>We have this fucking thread every fucking hou
no we don't
>brainlet this, brainlet that
>muh rethoric

try making an argument next time

[lalo No.13602713]

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[Anonymous No.13602718]

Prove that nature can be evil

[Anonymous No.13602727]

>>13600900
>Your god is a mass murderer.
You dumbass fedora tippers always forget the immortal soul.

[Anonymous No.13602740]

>>13602727
what

[lalo No.13602744]

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[Anonymous No.13602749]

>>13602678
Millions of kids are born to die in extreme suffering or live in abusive houses being raped and phisically tortured. Your infinite all knowing god does absolutely nothing to prevent that and you know that that puts him below the random passerby in the street who had he the power to deny all these things to happen, would do so in a heartbeat. 2k years plus and no one can reconcile a good god with the evil of the world. Saying 'muh rhetoric' 'muh brainlets' muh whatever won't answer the question, retard.

[Anonymous No.13602759]

>>13602464
>God just hates pajeets, ching-chongs and similar. It is a white man's god, after all.

[Anonymous No.13602764]

>>13602749
God does what He wills. He's not obliged to conform to your standards of justice. Read Job and grow up.

[Anonymous No.13602766]

>>13602759
read Nassim Taleb, Jews are white.

[Anonymous No.13602774]

>>13602727
Ah, so murder is acceptable then, since we're all technically immortal?

[Anonymous No.13602785]

>>13602764
why call him a god then

[Anonymous No.13602802]

>>13600875

No, there has never been a credible counter argument to the problem of evil. Theists are just so fucking desperate to justify their own belief in immortality and the afterlife that they can't accept that the concept of God should be disgarded.

[Anonymous No.13602807]

>>13602785
What does your question even mean? God is not only God insofar as he complies with any external criteria. He simply is.

[Anonymous No.13602814]

>>13602807
how can one become like him?

[Anonymous No.13602837]

humans try to explain with logic things that do not need to follow the same laws of logic. done, your grecko boylover destroyed

[Anonymous No.13602849]

>>13602785
Because he can do what he wants unlike human beings

[Anonymous No.13602853]

>>13602837
>do not need to follow the same laws of logic.
it follows alien logic then?

[Anonymous No.13602867]

God allows evil to happen so he can make a greater good.
Joseph was sold by his brothers as a slave, an evil thing. This lead to him becoming powerful in Egypt. Eventually the Israelites ran out of food so they begged the Egyptians for some. The only reason they got food was since Joseph gave it to them.
So God made this evil against Joseph into good by saving the Israelites from starving to death.

[Anonymous No.13602876]

>>13602814
That we can literally become like God is a Satanic deception (see Gen, 3:5, Isa. 14:12-14). We are called to turn away from sin and to love each other as God loves us, and in this sense to TRY to be like God - it will always be an unattainable goal - not to actually seek to exalt ourselves to His station.

[Anonymous No.13602900]

>>13602867
what good can come out of a rape? stronger sphincter?

[Anonymous No.13602913]

>>13602853
if god created the system he obviously wouldn't have to follow it like we do. It's like humans programming a computer. That super mario dude in a video game doesn't even know what a third dimension could look like so of course when he wonders "is there a creator?" he can only use the logic he is allowed to use by the programmer. He just isn't able to comprehend the third dimension. Just like we're not able to comprehend the concept of simultaneous being and not being. Yes, God can create a rock that's impossible to move and he is able to move it. Because in logic available to him, those are not exclusive concepts. we think of only what we've experienced as possible

[Anonymous No.13602926]

>>13602900
I don't know. I guess it depends on the women. One might teach self defence to women and now the rape numbers or reduced.

[Anonymous No.13602990]

>>13602913
How did you determine that god is not bound by "human" logic?

[Anonymous No.13603003]

>>13600875
If God is like the vast majority of people
Believe him to be, it would be better if he got arrested
And a human being of pure and merciful soul
Sat upon his office and put on his robe.
The God of so many minds – a bitter goblin
And frowning druid, an executioner for ever
Sharpening the ax and tightening the hangman's knot,
An eternal watchmen salivating with hunger
For the sins that he himself sowed
In our souls, God with a spider's heart,
Waiting for souls to stick like flies
In the web of temptations and errors of this world –
That is not my God, it's the god of the toxic minds.
This masochistic father who tortures his children
To make the child that lies within himself to suffer,
Who has in humanity a carious tooth
That he bites and presses, so that it may hurt even more,
In pursuit of the perverted pleasure of having
Pain as a steward, who comes and goes under orders,
The pleasure of being able to say: "I was offended":
This furious, spoiled and cranky God
Is the God of the hearts who have hatred for their master
And not the endless love that makes the cosmos throb.

[Anonymous No.13603016]

>>13602913
if he wants to define himself as 'good', a concept that is only understood by humans, then he absolutely needs to follow our rules. if not that, then not only he isn't good but also he's a tyranical being that uses his power to inflict pain on the others, largely by omission.

[Anonymous No.13603022]

>>13602990
if he's omnipotent (and that's the axiom that epicurus tried to show as faulty) he's bound to live in a system not bound by our rules and is able to influence our world as he sees fit. As I see it, in this scenario we're like computer programs and he's our programmer.
It's not something that's determinable, but that exactly is my point, you can't know anything about god. You can't prove that he exists and equally so, you can't prove that he doesn't. People trying to logically "prove" that he can't exist are retards since they fail to realize that what is impossible to us is not inherently impossible, but rather a characteristic of a system we live in

[Anonymous No.13603026]

>>13600875
Why exist if you can't choose good over evil? Free will > being a computer program.

[Anonymous No.13603036]

>>13603003
This would be better if the big skeleton were dabbing

[Anonymous No.13603062]

>>13600875
there is no evil; only bias

[Anonymous No.13603064]

>>13603062
elaborate

[Anonymous No.13603066]

>>13603016
>'good', a concept that is only understood by humans
what? where do you get that? it is understood by humans yes, but are humans the only beings capable of understanding that? we don't know that, since we don't know what else exists other than our universe. If you presume that god exists (just a presumption to asses is he good) than he most certainly exists outside of our universe. he created it so he's not a defining part of it, he's the outside. if he's outside, there might be virtually infinite number of beings outside. Also inside our universe, we know very little.
Now to the "good" part. Is someone good when he does good deeds or when other people consider him good? Is it the opinions of others that matter or the purity of one's actions? I'd argue it's the latter. That being said, what is truly good may as well be unknown to humans. Just like I mentioned, we can only think within the bounds of our system. Just imagine two people, one holding a knife and the other one acting like he's stabbed. Now, if you live in a 2D world you're certain it's murder, but add a third dimension and you may see that they are far away from each other. Like that, bounds of our system may be too restricting to give definitive answers is god good. Only someone looking at him from a system above his is able to answer that, certainly not someone in a system below him

[Anonymous No.13603074]

>>13603064
bias in that an action or event that benefits me will be perceived as good to me, but evil to another. We as humans define evil based on our own biases.

Take for instance a man eating tiger who kills people. To the tiger we are just animals to be preyed on. To the people being preyed on, the tiger is evil.

[Anonymous No.13603082]

>>13603074
thanks for explaining

[Anonymous No.13603087]

>>13602474
unless spinoza is correct

[Anonymous No.13603124]

>>13602621

[Anonymous No.13603134]

>>13603124
nice argument basedboy

[Anonymous No.13603140]

Everything we perceive as evil is simply a lesser good. Think of it as the darkness in a painting; as a whole, the painting is beautiful, but if we perceive the darkness alone we might not see it as as beautiful as the whole

[Anonymous No.13603150]

>>13600875
Sometimes shit has to hit the fan and people need to die in order for people to grow and evolve. Out of the seemingly meaningless births meaning.

[Anonymous No.13603153]

>>13600900
>tips fedora

[Anonymous No.13603180]

>>13600875
>an immortal god should be slave to a morality system for mortals
Epicurus? More like Lame-urus.

[Anonymous No.13603190]

>>13600875
>Is there anyone who can refute this argument?
Yes, God because he's omnipotent

[Anonymous No.13603210]

>>13603190
>he's omnipotent
how so?

[Anonymous No.13603268]

God is impotent

[Anonymous No.13603282]

>>13600875
To begin with, evil has no positive existence of it's own. Evil only "exists" in that it is a failure to attain good, rather than some equal and opposite force to good. Just as cold is an absence of heat, evil is an absence of good that arises because of the imperfect nature of man. Man brings evil into existence when he fails to live up to the highest good. Suffering in itself carries no moral condition. Destructive tornadoes and diseases, for example, are existing neutral conditions of life. Because the first man chose death through original sin, his descendants have been left to pay the price.

Tl;dr: The existence of evil and suffering are separate entities and do not disprove the existence of God.

[Anonymous No.13603289]

>>13602774
Well, if it did turn out that we are immortal beings and our "being alive" phase is pretty insignificant then it becomes a non issue.
Imagine being asshurt mad that a doctor had to give you a lil spank when you where born to make you breathe. Well what if its something like that?

[Anonymous No.13603340]

>>13603140
its pretty much just difference in size. An ant's viewpoint of a baby is much different from ours