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Was he right?

>> No.13592925

About basically everything
Except the strength of the Persian army

>> No.13593123
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>>13592915
Yes. But he failed to understand that hundred of strands of paganism can not be united into one effective single religion. Had he lived longer and changed his tactic, he may have succeeded.

>> No.13593126

It's funny how Enlightenment types love him when he did everything he could to destroy Christianity for the exact reason of preventing them

>> No.13593210

>>13593126
I'll add that he was a very strange Neoplatonist. I mean, he was running around with Maximus of Ephesus making blood sacrifices and such, and generally practicing Theurgy. This is not normal for the time.

>> No.13593371

>>13593210
Yes it was. Neoplatonism between Iamblichus and Proclus were heavy on theurgy (it's Alexandrian schoom that were more iffy about it). If one opens their of eyes for a strange possibility, then it is because of their rites that Platonism became so imbued in christian theology in the 4th century, they sacrificed the survival of the physical school for the survival of the mind of Platonism.

>> No.13593438

>suppresses Christians
>funds cringey weird hippie neo-Fagan stuff
>Zionist
>repatriates Jews to Ieudea
>empties the Roman people's tax coffers to fund the building of the Third Temple
>plans ruined by an act of God
>wrote faggy poetry
>last surviving work is a letter written to a priest about how Christianity isn't actually all that bad

It's like he was an American Boomer who stumbled into a time machine.

>> No.13593439

>>13593438
kek

>> No.13593498

>>13593438
LOL

>> No.13593521

I love him

>> No.13593530
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>>13593438
based

>> No.13593617

>>13593438
>funds cringey weird hippie neo-Fagan stuff
I don't get you LARPers. How is it neo- anything if there was still a large population still doing it? The whole point you epic crusader monks get on about is an "unbroken chain of tradition (vatican ii doesn't count btw even though it is satanic and severed the church from its tradition)", which Justinian had by virtue of actually having access to people who practiced the same religions as had been practiced for, at least in the case od the Eleusian Mysteries, a thousand years.

>> No.13593686

Is being Hellenic polytheist in the 21st century cringe?

>> No.13593744

>>13593617
A pagan is a blushing virgin waiting for her groom. An apostate "neopagan" is an adulterous divorcée. These two groups are nothing alike.

>> No.13593747

>>13593686
Yes.

>> No.13593754

>>13593744
Julian's mind was already corrupted by Christianity of course.

>> No.13593802

>>13593617
Julian was the king of LARPers.

>mmm yess lets sit in this empty academy and muse
>dont i look wondrous in this hellenic beard?
>oh look at me im alexander the great

>> No.13593828
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13593828

What NPC atheists/neoplatonic pagan LARPers think happened:
>stronk pagan Roman Empire
>hated Jews
>(((Judeo-Christianity))) subverted Rome
>early Christians loved Jews
>Rome fell because of (((Judeo-Christianity)))
>pagan Romans were based Jew haters
>muh Judaean wars were the epitome of anti-Judaism

What really happened:
>Rome itself had posh Jewish settlement full of wealthy Jews in late 2nd century BC
>Julius Caesar made Judaism religio licita
>huge cultural overlap with Judaea
>Augustus crowned Herod "the Great" "king of the Jews"
>Herodian Jews repeatedly try to kill Jesus of Nazareth from birth until they finally succeeded but actually failed because Jesus rose again
>Roman-Judaean authorities persecute early Christians with bloodthirsty zeal
>Jews repeatedly collude with pagan Roman authorities to kill Christians
>Judaism stays religio licita while Christianity is persecuted by Jews and pagans
>Judaism spreads through Greco-Roman world with ease influencing many facets of philosophy and religion
>Constantine converts to Christianity
>edicts restricting Jews are made and Christianity becomes state religion
>Edict of Thessalonica sends Jews packing to Persia, Egypt and Babylon etc.
>Julian converts to paganism
>allows Jews return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple

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>>13593828
>Herodian Jews repeatedly try to kill Jesus of Nazareth from birth

literally no historical evidence of slaughter of the innocents despite tons of hit pieces on herod

>Judaism stays religio licita while Christianity is persecuted by Jews and pagans
>mfw

>> No.13593997

>>13592925
No, he pretty much had them. What he was wrong about was the loyalty of his Christian generals.
He should have taken a few more years to clean house before going on such a campaign.

>>13593438
Single issue boim. Sorry for your lost peepee skin.

>>13593686
Naw, not any cringier than being any other religion in the 21st century. We need more nature worship.

>>13593802
Philosopher king larper? Then so was Marcus Aurelius

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13594005

You are right, more than having the correct hdi, it is better than a delivery

>> No.13594037

>>13594005
huh?

>> No.13594364

Christians must die.

>> No.13594368

>>13594037
anon forgot to take his meds

>> No.13594403

Literally the Donald Trump of the 4th century. A conservative who tried to return society to an old order more acceptable to the elites of the imperial heartland and the Senate, and viewed with disgust the new faith agitating the masses, reforming morality and being used by skillful orators as a tool for political and economical reform.

In the end he failed just like Trump will fail.

>> No.13594410

>>13594403
Trump will win

>> No.13594430

>>13593802
If Julian is a LARPer for taking part in the living Hellenic philosophical tradition, then so is literally every Christian Emperor for playing dress up as Jews, as is Charlemagne for, as various sources attest, actually Live-Action Roleplaying in a non-meme sense as David and various other historical Jewish figures.

Do you fags even read the gibberish you type?

>> No.13594443

>>13594430
>david
>jewish
Get fucked, heathen.

>> No.13594457

>>13594430
David was a good and faithful Christian you lapring neofagan heretic. Have you looked into this at all? Have you read ANYTHING written before Vatican II? You are aware that Judaism was founded in 1034AD when the Talmud was written, right? Fucking moron.

>> No.13594478

>>13594430
retard

>> No.13594797

>>13593997
die

>> No.13594892

>>13594443
>>13594457
schizo poltards

>> No.13594908

>>13593997
>nature worship
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.13595397

>>13593828
>what really happened
>Jesus rose again
Lmao, whatever you say poltard christcuck larper

>> No.13595566

>>13593997
>nature worship
worse than calling it cringe

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>>13595566
You ought to be turned to mulch