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[Anonymous No.13580433]

Are Neoplatonism and mysticism literally magic? Will I gain powers from learning about them? Will I be able to fly? Live forever?

[Anonymous No.13580437]

No. Read L. Ron Hubbard if you want superpowers.

[Anonymous No.13580455]

They are essentially just another form of Metaphysics.

That man, Proclus, was essentially a metaphysician, his Elements of Theology essentially proves this fact. :3

[Anonymous No.13580461]

>>13580433
yes my dick grow 2 cm after I read Plotinus

[Anonymous No.13580465]

>>13580433
You have a meme, Wicca/hollywood understanding of magic

[Anonymous No.13580481]

>>13580461
wow little buddy!! guess that makes your penis a grand total of 4cm in length now :)

have sex

[Anonymous No.13580687]

>>13580481

brevity is the soul of dick

[Anonymous No.13580839]

>Olympius, a fellow-philosopher envious of Plotinus's intellectual superiority tried to harm him by magic spells. He did so by directing star-rays against him. But he had soon to give up, because he found that the soul of Plotinus was powerful enough not only to resist these spells but even to turn them back on his enemy so that they were harming him.

[Anonymous No.13580878]

>>13580839
like a boss

[Anonymous No.13581470]

>>13580839
absolutely based and hexpilled

[Anonymous No.13581498]

>>13580839
This is the power of semen retention and celibacy.

[Anonymous No.13581522]

>>13580433

I know you're being facetious but basically yes & no. Philosophy, magick, occult, mysticism, whatever, they're generally interconnected depending on their respective brands. I'm not sure what you consider "powers" but when you practice magick or have mystical experiences, metaphysics become more digestible and accessible because the concepts feel less like abstract concepts than goals of understanding to truly arrive at and grasp. There's a big difference between reading Plotinus without ever having had (or rather acknolwedged) a mystical experience, than reading it as someone who just finds philosophy interesting. The reality behind the words becomes more vivid. I don't know if that's necessarily a "power" but it is an advantage in comprehending metaphysics. Anyway, it's not as important as just putting to practice which aspects of metaphysical philosophy one can. Such as trying to harmonize with the Will of the One through cultivating Virtue, or contemplating the Beauty of the Good through its signs in nature, etc.

[Anonymous No.13581554]

>>13580839
>>13581498
Jealous cumbrains irreversibly and infinitly blown the fuck out. They will never recover. They can never recover.

[Anonymous No.13581931]

>>13580433

So far I've experienced: QUALITATIVELY different dreams with presences and extreme emotions, spontaneous remission of life-long ailments, serendipity in stumbling upon texts detailing what I was thinking about, one instance of sensation of bodily boundary dissolving in waking life.

[Anonymous No.13582108]

>>13580433
>Will I be able to fly?

Flight is nothing to the wise man.

[Anonymous No.13582113]

>>13581498
>This is the power of semen retention and celibacy.

They knew.

[Anonymous No.13582124]

>>13582113

Plato understood these things.

[Anonymous No.13582126]

>>13582108

Flight is only the beginning.

[Anonymous No.13582141]

For Proclus and Iamblichus: yes.
For the Egyptian Neoplatonists and post-proclean Athenians? Less so.
Ammonius Hermiae practically abandoned the religious aspects. Plotinus wasn't very pro-magic or divination, although he did acknowledge the last love that a Man can entrance the world with (manipulate fate and necessity); but that's at best only maxes out your luck stats.

[Anonymous No.13582148]

>>13582141
Did at least acknowledge the love*...

[Anonymous No.13582836]

>>13582108
>>13582113
>>13582124
>>13582126
Source?

[Anonymous No.13582869]

>>13582836
https://www.academia.edu/37897872/Platonic_Tantra.pdf

another is "Nutritional Sex Control and Rejuvenation"

[Anonymous No.13582879]

>>13582869
>https://www.academia.edu/37897872/Platonic_Tantra.pdf

too much bullshit to get through, can you upload the pdf?

[Anonymous No.13582901]

>>13580839
based

[Anonymous No.13582903]

>>13582879
>https://www.academia.edu/37897872/Platonic_Tantra.pdf
just create an account and log in, they're usually free to read

>https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/57907368/Platonic_Tantra.pdf?response-content-disposition=attachment%3B%20filename%3DPlatonic_Tantra.pdf.pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A%2F20190804%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20190804T121953Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=1a832ea026aac8e6483f6951c7e3a0d8bc8763b2f32c753493d0f36af91e11fe

[Anonymous No.13582921]

>>13582903

thanks!

[Anonymous No.13583187]

>>13582113
>>13582124
Absolutley based.
Pythagoras, Plato, Christ, Plotinus 1500 years of church thinkers (Augustine to Aquinas to Ockham to Copernicus), Newton, Kant, Tesla. Cumbrains will NEVER compete. These are the best people to ever live and yet they mock and scoff them and these beliefs. They shall be destroyed by their own venom as Plotinus directed the star rays back at his adversary who cursed him.

[Anonymous No.13583228]

>>13582903

Is this an excerpt from his book about theurgy? I'm really intrigued now.

[Anonymous No.13583255]

>>13583187
Stupid magic powers couldnt stop your gay ass neoplatonists from getting btfo and eternally obliterated by Christian authorities. They were burned as heretics and the academy in Athens shut-down, no "woo-woo" power could stop them. You guys are fucking delusional. Christ is king and always prevails over Satanic sorcery and the evil nutjobs who practice it

[Anonymous No.13583284]

>>13583255
They are all on the same side, nigger.

[Anonymous No.13583296]

>>13583255
Imagine being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.13583297]

Damascius repeats his doctrine of two kinds of Nothing: there is a Nothing that is the first above everything, including theOne and the Being, and a Nothing that is the lowest, the last and the worst, and this is what lies below matter (the latter seems to retain a shadow of being). Both prepositions'above' and 'below' are inadequate,

[Anonymous No.13583317]

>>13583255
>dude Cicero is not a servant of God because even though he lived a pious life and saught the ultimate good uhhhhh, he wasn't a Christian. It doesn't matter that Augustine calls him that or was led to God through his hortenseus.
these men were all on the same path. the law of god is written in their hearts. paul said similar in ad romanos.

[Anonymous No.13583319]

this is just a hunch, pls don't stone me, i haven't read either, but: is evola somewhat similar to plotinus and neoplatonism? as in theism+mysticism+magic? if not, are there some more contemporary writers in the vein of neoplatonism?

[Anonymous No.13583345]

>>13583319
Of course not. Look around. Porn is everywhere. Sex is everywhere. People think masturbation is "normal" and "healthy". Only abstinence is on the path to infinite good and I doubt Evola was continent and chaste. Only one remotely resembling plotinus today is Ratzinger. His magic is in his writing.

[Anonymous No.13583374]

Lust is the ultimate evil.

[Anonymous No.13583382]

>>13583284
>>13583296
>>13583317

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

[Anonymous No.13583398]

>>13583382
They knew Christ before his existence. Origen said the truth was revealed to the Greeks where the law was revealed to the Jews. They are not incompatible with Christ but affirm him all the more. Christ is the word made flesh and ultimate personification of the so called philosophers God.

[Anonymous No.13583416]

>>13583398
>Origen
a heretic

[Anonymous No.13583464]

>>13583382
You're right, no one comes to the Father except through the Logos.

[Anonymous No.13583487]

>>13583416
>origen
>a heretic

[Anonymous No.13583510]

>>13583464

This. People have continually been misinterpreting that line as if they forgot that "the Word became flesh". The Lord is the First Principle and the Word was the Second. Naturally, to get to the Lord you go through the varying degrees, and the Logos/Word is an important one. Anyway, i interpret it to mean that we must emulate the beauty of Christ through virtue and other means. I also think the Logos can be contemplated in a non Christ-centric context as well, and that this may also help when to get closer with their Lord.

[Anonymous No.13583543]

>>13583510
"No one can come to the Father except as a child" correlates exactly with the ineffable union with God that Plato and others talk about as the summit of anagogical ascent; discursive reasoning has been overcome and the ego diminished.

[Anonymous No.13583558]

>>13583543
Based and omnipotentpilled.

[Anonymous No.13583568]

>>13580433
>Will I gain powers
If anything, anything at all allowed people to 'gain powers' whatever the fuck that means, it would be a secret for maybe a year, then tightly controlled, then everybody would do it. Then it would be part of culture like learning to read or write.
Secrets are corrosive and damage the people that try to hold them. We are social animals, there are no fuckin secrets, grow up.

[Anonymous No.13583595]

>>13583568
t. materialist bugman stuck in the cave. NGMI

[Anonymous No.13583603]

>>13583568
You're an animal alright. I am not. I am a soul.

[Anonymous No.13583664]

>>13583595

[Anonymous No.13583715]

>>13583664
too good.

[Anonymous No.13583736]

>>13583664
Do you have the cumbrain cave one too?

[Anonymous No.13583763]

Tibetan buddhist yoga...

[Anonymous No.13583765]

>>13583345
J. Ratzinger? How so?

[Anonymous No.13583828]

>>13583765
Yes. Cardinal Ratzinger was and is the only embodiment of a philosopher king in the past 70 years. Celibate and dedicated to wisdom. His writing has a divine quality to it. A product of this transmutation.

[Anonymous No.13583839]

>>13580433
No but they will make you less retarded and increase your understanding of the Divine

[Anonymous No.13583933]

>>13583736
That already is, just put porn sites as the shadows and real wholesome wives&families up on the surface.

[Anonymous No.13583937]

>>13583382
Explain the Roman centurion who had such strong faith in Christ that his servant was saved.

[Anonymous No.13583942]

>>13580433
>Neoplatonism
Misinterpreting Plato is magic!
The early Academy was skeptic because it turns out Plato was a student of Socrates!

[Anonymous No.13583978]

>>13583933
Celibacy is on the surface. Augustine had a child and nearly a wife but found them inferior goods compared to chastity and continence. Though he said his relation to them was far superior to that of his earlier reckless carnal indulgences with any woman who was willing.

[Anonymous No.13584030]

>>13582113
>>13582124
the roasties want my soul fluid reeeeeee

[Anonymous No.13584036]

>>13584030
Separate yourself from them.

[Anonymous No.13584037]

>>13583828
Which of his books do you recomend? Is Introduction to Christianity a good place to start?

[Anonymous No.13584074]

>>13584037
Yes. Excellent work.

[Anonymous No.13584874]

>>13584030
Your own unguarded thoughts are your greatest enemy.

[Anonymous No.13584905]

He was even buried in a CAVE.

[Anonymous No.13584910]

>>13584074
>>13583828
Why are trad-Caths on this website so against Vatican II and all that comes after it if Ratzinger embodied the ancient virtues? Was he the exception? I do remember hearing how he promoted the Latin mass.

[Anonymous No.13584960]

>>13584910
His faith in God and the Church exceeded his own will, rare, commendable even but it led to his error. The only thing Benedict did wrong was not doing. He was also biased by fear of succumbing to dementia as so many of his colleagues did so he resigned prematurely. Perfect reason argued Aquinas follows uniformity with the higher faculty of faith. His inaction was clearly the wrong move but at the same time those qualities that led to it made him the man and genius he was.

[Anonymous No.13585056]

>>13583942
The New Academy was sceptic.
Not the Old Academy.

[Anonymous No.13585481]

>>13585056
Well, the middle academy was probably the most Skeptic, capital s. But they were all more skeptical than the neoplatonists, who were just a bunch of unrelated other people.