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BEST OF EDITION
>Post your top 3 books
>Tell us why we should read them.
>What are you currently reading?

Monthly Reading for August: TBD

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg

Science Fiction:
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https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


Previously:
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>>13549630
>>13539413
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>>13520485
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>> No.13575042
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Read more Sword & Sorcery, friends.

>> No.13575053

>>13575042
I liked the name
Tell me about it

>> No.13575088

>>13574962
>Anna is a sophisticated woman who abandons her empty existence as the wife of Karenin and turns to Count Vronsky to fulfil her passionate nature - with tragic consequences.

>Offred is a Handmaid in the Republic of Gilead. She may leave the home of the Commander and his wife once a day to walk to food markets whose signs are now pictures instead of words because women are no longer allowed to read.

>It is the story of this Jay Gatsby who came so mysteriously to West Egg, of his sumptuous entertainments, and of his love for Daisy Buchanan – a story that ranges from pure lyrical beauty to sheer brutal realism, and is infused with a sense of the strangeness of human circumstance in a heedless universe.

>Although Jane Eyre is outwardly of plain appearance, she possesses an indomitable spirit, a sharp wit and great courage. She is forced to battle against the exigencies of a cruel guardian, a harsh employer and a rigid social order. All of which circumscribe her life and position when she becomes governess to the daughter of the mysterious, sardonic and attractive Mr Rochester.

>When Dorian has his portrait painted by Basil Hallward and wishes that he would stay young while his picture changes, his wish comes true. In exchange for this Dorian gives up his soul and as he ages the bad deeds that he commits are reflected in his painting and not him.

>> No.13575117

>>13575088
>>13574962
I agree. Books that start with the the protagonist's name is utter shit.

>> No.13575120

>>13575042
Imagine epic fantasy on a smaller, more focused, and more creative scale with all the fat cut out and a strong undercurrent of Horror with "heroes" usually of a more earthier variety.

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pastiing from last threadd

Two questions:

What are some really good fantasy short story collections? Multiple writers. The only good one I've read is Swords and Dark Magic.

Second question would be if any interesting new author showed up in 2019 - my favorites are Wolfe, Malazan guy, Abercrombie and a short story from CJ Cherryh, not her sci-fi. Oh and Glen Cook.

>> No.13575138

Anyone else enjoy the seemingly benign and simple creature to actually be a force of godly proportions?
Any books with this incorporated in them

>> No.13575182
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>>13575138
lotr

>> No.13575189

>>13575042
It makes me happy that Frazetta was a fellow Assman.
>>13575126
Thieves World

>> No.13575197

>>13574825
Stop recommending I, Robot, when there is The Complete Robot, which has all the I, Robot stories plus a few more in it, at usually the same price

>> No.13575212

>>13575197
Because I, Robot is the one with a loose connecting narrative and it stands to reason that a collection of stories that includes I, Robot in its entirety would be implicitly recommended alongside any general recommendation of the standalone book.

>> No.13575217

>>13575212
Or people are just lazy/retarded.

>> No.13575252

>>13575053
See
>>13575120

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>>13575126
Swords Against Darkness series

>> No.13575329

What's the best method for reading Conan? Published, written or chronological?

>> No.13575341

>>13575329
Written.

>> No.13575370

Anybody ever read anything from the Kutherian Gambit universe? Judging by the covers, it seems to vary between Sci-fi and fantasy, written by a few different authors, and mostly focused on the female audience. But with so many books, perhaps there's something there worth something?

https://www.goodreads.com/series/217078-kurtherian-gambit-universe

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13575393

Anything in the vein of a thief/assassin book but in sci-fi rather than fantasy?

>> No.13575405

>>13575088
The way I always think of it is like the opening scroll of Star Wars

Imagine if it was LUKE SKYWALKER WAS JUST A NORMAL MOISTURE FARMER WITH SKY-HIGH DREAMS OF FIGHTING FOR THE REBEL ALLIANCE.

>> No.13575408

>>13575393
Use of Weapons

>> No.13575415

>>13575393
Quantum thief. It's 4chan in novel form. Battle autism and weaponized memes.

>> No.13575435

>>13575415
That sounds awful

>> No.13575448

>>13575393
Stainless Steel Rat

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>>13575370
>those covers
It's like Wordsworth Classics in space

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Threadly reminder that litrpg, chinkshit, and other degeneracy belong in the chinkshit general

>> No.13575492

>>13575488
no

>> No.13575495

>>13575126
The Dying Earth collection was kino
>>13575329
Chronological. Anyone who says otherwise is retarded or lying to you.
>>13575492
>T. Bugman

>> No.13575497

>>13575488
Who are you to decide that?

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>>13575435
It's actually pretty good

>> No.13575503

>>13575495
>Chronological
You're a moron. A legit moron.

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>>13575488
Based 88 anon triggering the litrpg/harem degenerates.

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>>13575497
I'm your fucking mom, now go to bed or you're getting another suppository

>> No.13575530

>>13575408
use of weapons was absolute kino

>> No.13575536

>>13575511
Joke's in you, my mom is also my sister.

>> No.13575567

Any dark fantasy where women aren't infantry and if they are they repeatedly get raped?

>> No.13575574

>>13575567
Isn't A Song of Ice and Fire like that?

>> No.13575665

Anybody here actually read any female oriented fantasy (or a book authored by a woman) and liked it? I feel like I'm alienating myself by keeping away from it, but every time I try it is a disappointment. Rarely I read something that does not involve the completely ordinary lead being chased by 3 super ripped shifter vampires, or alternatively one that is a badass warrior that don't need no man and was also raped previously. I can count on one hand the number of books I've read that were written by a woman that does not fall into one of those.

I feel like this is mostly a problem with modern works, but I'm not really well read on older literature to be sure. So, any recommendations? So far there's Ada Palmer on my backlog, but otherwise I don't know where to go after that.

Right now I'm trying Uprooted by Naomi Novik. Some good, some bad, we'll see.

>> No.13575689

>>13575665
I mentioned the Red Sonja novel I read in the previous thread and enjoyed it. It was written by two men over 30 years ago though so that's probably why. And if you want to read a female author that's actually good then check out Leigh Brackett. Specifically The Sword of Rhiannon and the Book of Skaith series. I would even suggest Last of the Amazons by Steven Pressfield even though technically it isn't fantasy though it definitely reads like fantasy.

>> No.13575707

>>13575665
Look into Lois McMaster Bujold. Vorkosigan Saga and the Chalion series are worth reading.

Naomi Novik is a shit writer that writes for 16 year old girls, stay away.

>> No.13575717

>>13575707
>Vorkosigan Saga
It's so big, though. Where should I start?

>> No.13575748

>>13575717
http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-vorkosigan-saga-reading-order.html

Follow the Ideal omnibus reading order.

You can skip Cordelias Honour if you want, they're sort of the prequel books for the main series and the lead characters are the parents of the MC from the main part of the series. That said I do like them and don't recommend skipping them.

>> No.13575769

I'm going to read some harem degenerate shit and you can't STOP ME

>> No.13575792

>>13575536
Your dad is freaky.
Read a book like that hawt

>> No.13575803

>>13575665
Scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but you'd have to hit Forgotten Realms novels for that I reckon.
The books by Erin M. Evans (Brimstone Angels, though there is this handsome devil) and supposedly most of Elaine Cunningham's stuff is readable/enjoyable though I personally haven't read anything if her books yet.
Then there's Lisa Smedman, her House of Serpents trilogy is entertaining (male protag, female BBEG, "exotic" setting inside the FR setting, not bland Swordcoast shit) and stuff by Rosemary Jones, especially City of the Dead (female airhead-protag, grounded male sidekick) is really entertaining and fun.

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>>13575488
Cope elsewhere. Geary Gravel.

>> No.13575862

>>13575689
>>13575748
>>13575803
Thanks for the recs. I'll check them out.

>> No.13575966

>>13575665
Sounds like you're reading books for teenage girls, and acting surprised they're full of dumb shit that appeals to teenage girls.

>> No.13576221

>>13575567
Bakker

>> No.13576251

>>13575370
It's just another part of the Kindle Unlimited pulp mill. Crank out as many books as possible about mary sue OCs and it's in a "shared universe" thing so that if somebody reads one book they have to read all the other ones.

They're really popular with old guys too.

>>13575393
Stainless Steel Rat.

The Blackcollars series by Timothy Zahn is great. It's basically about how humanity's last hope for freedom from the alien conquerors is a team of commandos who are basically ninjas with future-tech.

Wasp by Eric Frank Russell is about a operative sent to cause havoc on a alien-ruled planet.
https://archive.org/details/RusselEricFrankWasp/page/n1

The second two books in Glen Cook's Starfishers series are about a spy. The first one is a relatively quick reading space opera so they're easy to get to, though I didn't like the series much as a whole. (The fourth book is a unconnected prequel that's basically Das Boot In Space and is great)

>> No.13576321

Is Lord of the Rings an easy book to read? I'm thinking about starting it but I'm not confident enough on my english to do so, so I'm also considering buying a translation. I thought asking here would be better than creating a whole thread to ask this.

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>>13576321
read this first to get a good foundation in the field

>> No.13576342

>>13575435
i really liked it, was hooked during the rest of the series too. it's can be bit frustating because sometimes you don't know what the fuck is going on, the narrator barely explains anything, but i still always recommend it.

>> No.13576353

>>13575665
anything by Le Guin. Particularly Theanu, of the EarthSea series is kinda feminist and the MC is a woman, and it's still good

>> No.13576354

>>13576341
Don't know if trolling but I've read it when I was a kid, obviously in my native language.

>> No.13576373

>>13576321
The Hobbit is a very easy read
Read that first and see how you find it

>> No.13576377

>>13576373
Thanks, will do it.

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TIME TO VOTE!

The nominees are:

In Other Worlds,
by A.A Attanasio. ~200 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/552275.In_Other_Worlds

Castle in the Air,
by Diana Wynne Jones. ~300 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/47520.Castle_in_the_Air

Dragon's Egg,
by Robert L. Forward. ~350 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/263466.Dragon_s_Egg

Nation,
by Terry Pratchett. ~375 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2855034-nation

Babel-17/Empire,
by Samuel R. Delany. ~300 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/145356.Babel_17_Empire_Star

An Unattractive Vampire,
by Jim McDoniel. ~300 pages.
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26494476-an-unattractive-vampire

Poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/18418110

I disqualified Lud-in-the-Mist and Neuromancer because they're simply to well known in the thread. If you want to discuss them, just do it. Snow Crash is to long (would undoubtedly have made it, however, if it were fewer nominees).

Have any more thoughts about last months book? Feel free to voice them. I personally feel like it suffered from to many "good" ideas. Like the author came up with a bunch of cool stuff and then could not bring himself to leave anything out, leaving us with malplaced stuff like the lion rescue and the hardass Erwin becoming cozy and cuddly with the president.

>> No.13576397

This isn't really /sffg/ related but I don't post on that Tumblr board /co/, so. The Boys was one of the two comics I ever read and I hated that it took a good premise (the logical conclusion to a superhero setting, namely "what if superheroes were arrogant power-tripping dicks who cause collateral damage all the time?") and muddled it and ran it into the ground (LOL THEY HAVE CONSTANT CRAAAAZY ZANY ORGIES, BTW EVERYTHING IS ONE BIG CONSPIRACY BY ONE EVIL COMPANY).

The show is a bit better but it still doesn't really satisfy my interest in the premise: surface level "good guys" who are actually corrupt, getting their comeuppance. I wanted to see more "bro I can do anything I want, I'm Hawkman" niggers getting beaten to death by vigilantes with crowbars. Anyone have any recommendations that fit the bill? Would also like to see Jedi systematically murdered for being smug cunts.

Black Company comes close, when they manage to kill or defeat a wizard using good tactics.

>> No.13576407

>>13575016
>Post your top 3 books
>Tell us why we should read them.
I'm excluding any non-SFF and counting series.
>BotNS
Because of the dept, imagery and scope.
>Terra Ignota
Because of the unique vision of the future, bold takes on how current trends might develop and a grand scope. Depending on the fourth book this series might actually dethrone BotNS.
>Mists of Avalon
Because it's a fresh take on Arthurian legend and one of few books where magic truly feel magical.

>What are you currently reading?
Hyperion

>> No.13576417

I want to read gay fantasy

>> No.13576426

>>13576417
Read your diary

>> No.13576467
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>>13575804
Yes, we know you're Geary Gravel. Go shill your shit on /h/
>>13575769
Cool. Go talk about it with people that are interested in that shit though. SFFG is a New Wave general
>>13576417
You forgot to post sci-fi tiddies, anon

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>>13575370
Those covers really scream quality.

>> No.13576485

>>13575016
>Top 3, and why
Chronicles of Amber: snappy prose, sexy plot, demands to be reread
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn: DEORNOTH, EINSKALDIR, ISORN
Comes Now the Power (short story): the most emotion you will ever see packed into 8 pages, anywhere, in any genre, ever.

>> No.13576493

I've read most of Gene Wolfe's books now, and it's interesting how the later stories he wrote read totally different to the earlier stories, it almost feels like he abandoned the subtlety and nuance in favor of simple fun.

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>>13576493
I noticed the same with Jack Vance, but I still prefer the silly Cugel and Rhialto stories

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Oh noes, here we go with fantasy again.

>> No.13576540

>>13576383
Dragon’s Egg or riotQ

>> No.13576544
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>>13576383
I voted for Dragon's Egg. Have seen it get recommended by physicists like Sir Roger Penrose, and it sounds fascinating if you're into hard sci-fi.

Personal favorite is The Star Diaries by Lem.

>> No.13576556

>>13576493
>he abandoned the subtlety and nuance in favor of simple fun
Good lad, maybe I'll try some of his later works then.

>> No.13576579

Just now reading LOTR

>> No.13576585

>>13576321
If you are German, make aure to get the pre-2002 translation of Lord of the Rings (they actually finally noticed how everyone hates the new translation and are selling the old one again, you'll have to read the blurb/Klappentext to check which one it is). If you aren't German, ignore this.

>>13576397
That is maybe a stretch, but the only book I could think of coming close would be Lord of Light.
Comic/anime/manga-wise: Berserk

>> No.13576621

>>13576585
i'm not a kraut, what's wrong with the newer translation?

>> No.13576651

>>13576621
It uses horrible colloquialisms that just sound unfitting for LOTR.

>> No.13576830

>>13576383
stop shilling for goodreads

stop mentioning page count jesus christ

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Every thread

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>>13576877
Every time

>> No.13576948

>>13576877

The "Male mothers" segment was far far worse

>> No.13576955

>>13576830
top retard

>> No.13576959

>>13576948
Can you post it?
I need to know how deep the rabbit hole really is.

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>>13576947
>>13576948
rothfuss got redpilled and cancelled in the meanwhile

>> No.13576973

>>13576963
Good analogy desu

>> No.13576974

>>13576830
>stop mentioning page count jesus christ
I will keep mentioning page count until someone provide me with a source for accurate word/character count.

>> No.13576976

Just finished the original mistborn trilogy.

It just didn't click with me. I realized towards the end I was just reading it for the twists.

The world doesn't really seem properly realized. Doesn't make sense that about 90% of the world are slaves, metal pushing/pulling as its presented would never let you fly around like they do as you've nowhere near enough control of the angles. Emotional alimancy seems like it would be impossible to counter if you just forcefully pushed and pulled on emotions to induce shock on them.

Is the sequel trilogy worth reading or his other works?

>> No.13576983

>>13576963
Which movie is he talking about?
[Spoiler]and generally, he isn't even wrong[/Spoiler]

>> No.13576989

>>13576983
>>13576973
what the fuck are you talking about, that sandnigger was exactly right, rothfuss is an epitome of a nice guy meme because he fails to give women any agency that is not in tune with his desires; he's uncapable of acting sexually and as a perma-virgin he attributes female sexuality to a gender-induced weakness exploited by other, sexual and evil men.

not to mention that his entire career is an example of how not to write unreliable narrator.

>> No.13576991

>>13576959

Only listened to it on audiobook so can't post it, it probably goes on for several pages.

It's basically an argument made by someone from the generic warrior women tribe that there's no such thing as a father. The mother has complete control over the pregnancy and everything about the baby comes from the mother. The whole concept of 'male mothers' is presented as something hilarious and a joke.

The gary stu MC, who is literally the smarted guy in the series, gets btfo and is completely unable to provide a good counter argument and basically it's treated that the warrior women is right.

It was really painful to listen to. Kingkiller Chronicles has such a well realised world and is beautifully written but holy fuck the weird views on women and the Gary Stu MC make it tough sometimes.

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>>13576991
>Kingkiller Chronicles has such a well realised world and is beautifully written

>> No.13577001

>>13576989
What does any of that have to do with it being an apt analogy?

You should resist calling people virgins and concocting elaborate hypotheses about how all a person's faults stem from their virginity or lack of virility. Not because it's hurtful or anything, just because it's a weak and lazy form of personal attack mostly used by women (who can't think).

>> No.13577007

>>13577001
it's pretty obvious that most of rothfuss' faults stem from his physical inferiority; it's not like he's writing anything but genre trash, that sort of people is easy to compartmentalize. george martin has a long history of struggle with similar issues, with the difference that meathouse man and most of asoiaf represent good prose.

>> No.13577069

>>13576321
It's not that easy, especially if you think it's anything similar to the movies. It drags a bit. I find The Hobbit a better book.

>> No.13577088

>>13577001
It's a retarded analogy. The issues with adapting one medium into another have nothing to do with women making poor life decisions and becoming sluts. And why does it take the cunt six fucking paragraphs to write "girl next door"?

>> No.13577118

>>13576467
Stop shitting up the general. Webnovels and chinkshit aren't lit, but litrpg is the future.

>> No.13577123

>>13577088
It is not a retarded analogy at all. The point isn't remotely that the girl was a "girl next door" type. The point is that she was a girl you were deeply invested in, for reasons deeper and more special than the quick thrill that people typically want from beautiful women, at a naive and impressionable time in your life before you even knew how jaded most men and women are and how depressing sexual objectification can be. And then the next time you see her, she's been totally subjected to precisely that jaded, horrible reality, so that in the moment of recognition you are forced to juxtapose your naive sweet platonic love and the ugly, mundane sexual objectification you are used to as an adult, and watch as the latter completely crushes the former.

It's not exactly Dickens but it makes sense just fine conceptually. The hinge of the metaphor is the perversion of something pure and innocent, specifically to create something that still has "value" but only in an inferior and baser way that is an insult to the original.

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I have this idea of a magical setting in which everything is done with enchanting and the "restriction and benefits" effect.
Say an enchant on your shirt can give you strength, so you can easily lift a grown adult with one arm. That's a really basic strength enchant, most can take it and their body won't suffer much.
But then here comes the Restriction and Benefits effect, and you sacrifice an eye, your hair and two fingers. Suddenly you get the strength you punch through a brick wall and lift a car. But punching a wall with your fists is just going to mash your hand into a mushy pulp, so you add a toughness enchant on your gloves, which makes your bones and flesh very tough in exchange for your ears.
Or you can downright become indestructible if you're willing to sacrifice enough.
But sacrificing is not only done on your body, and it's a deeply personal endeavor.
You sacrifice a random guy, you'll get a mild strength enchant.
You sacrifice your mother, you can suddenly demolish a building. You sacrifice your brother you become as tough and indestructible as steel.
You sacrifice your cat, your car and a kidney, you get flight.

Suddenly you're superman.

I just want to write a short easy story in this setting. Will you guys read it?

>> No.13577145

>>13576397
Isn't invincible about supers that do what they want?

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>>13575435
It was written by a fin, so you know it's good

>> No.13577164

>>13576830
>stop using the only book site that regularly and accurately updates it shit
>I will not give you a better or a replacement site though, just stop using what I don't like
Neck yourself

>> No.13577188

>>13577123
>The point is that she was a girl you were deeply invested in, for reasons deeper and more special than the quick thrill that people typically want from beautiful women
So yeah, "girl next door you had a crush on as a kid".
And no, it's still shit. A book isn't changed by an adaptation, however much you might dislike it - the movie is a separate thing made by different people. Never mind the ridiculously snobbish idea that books aren't commercial products and movies are nothing but.

>> No.13577189

>>13577134
It has potential to be good and trash at the same time
avoid writing an Itachi

>> No.13577214

>>13576991
>>13576948
You do realize that in real life there were people villages / tribes that believed some very stupid shit, and you as an outsider would laugh and point because you were educated. Well this book shows pockets of the world where enlightenment hasn't reached. I don't know why people (retards) take issue with this part of the book when there are other things to get mad over. When you argue with pol, do you think you changed their minds with facts when they wholly believe that they are right? Why do you think a secluded tribe that doesn't really deal with outsiders would change their minds of decades of belief because some skinny outsider came and said it was wrong.

I can't believe their are people who read and don't use their brain to think.

>> No.13577258

>>13577214
>I can't believe their are people who read and don't use their brain to think
>I can't believe there are people who take almost everything at face value and don't read deeper
ftfy

>> No.13577485

I need good new books. What was released recently?

>> No.13577504

>>13577485
>good new
No such thing. Why do they have to be new anyways, are you specifically looking to read about dyke assassins and tranny mothers?

>> No.13577512

>>13577504
new thing bad
old thing good
go read 6th-century dissertation on why suicide is a moral imperative

>> No.13577581

>>13577485

Aftershocks by Marko Kloos was a really good Mil Sci-fi

If you prefer fantasy, its not "new" per se, but The Big Book of Classic Fantasy is so far an interesting anthology that I do agree could be seen as a survey course on the genre

>> No.13577597

>>13577504
>dyke assassins
Sounds good to me famiglia. Any books with this?

>> No.13577629

>>13575665
Robin hobs books are good. Farseer, assasian, and liveship traders series.

>> No.13577644

>>13576383
What a shit list

>> No.13577653

>>13576948
I don’t remember that part

>> No.13577661

how many words should a single book be if I want to do serialize the release of books as I work on the story rather than release a few longer books?

I figure 20-30k should be enough since novellas are usually 17-40k words

>> No.13577702

>>13577644
Then you should have nominated something good, faggot.
Don't refuse to participate when you are free to, then cry about the choices available / the outcome after the fact.
kys

>> No.13577731

>>13576377
DON'T read The Hobbit first. It was written for children and even Tolkien himself said he didn't care for it much. Just read LOTR.

>> No.13577746

>>13576976
>WHY IS THIS FANTASY SERIES SO FANTASTICAL
Not even a Sandersonfag, but come on son.

>> No.13577763

>>13577512
Then what new books are good?

>> No.13577829

what if lovecraft got contacted by ayylmaos trying to explain that their ship crashed undersea and that they would have to come on land to repair and make first contact once their cryosleep pods opened and he, in his unending neurosis, chalked it up to eldritch gods

you know, the same way he wrote color out of space on the basis of ultraviolet/infrared light and that one story about a dead guy staying alive with CHEMIKULS AND AIR CONDITIONING

>> No.13577835

>>13576989
I meant he isn't wrong with a film adaptation ruining your perception of the book

>> No.13578104

>>13577829
that would be weird haha

>> No.13578174

>>13576377
>>13576321
If you are reading Tolkien only touch the hobbit. Lotr is utter boring shitfest.

>> No.13578190

>>13578104
>>13577829
You area 51 detainees aren't fooling anyone. Trying to influence more sff books so when your people come we will be predisposed to you.

>> No.13578205

>>13578190
I reference lovecraft's ayylmaos in my work but they're just some visual inspiration on the reality-warping cosmic horrors that my version of humanity is currently waging a winning war of extinction against.

>> No.13578212

>>13575665
Seconding Ada Palmer.

>> No.13578285

Why is it that some violations of "show don't tell" not bother me at all (adverbs for example), while other cases get under my skin? I fucking hate it when one character describes another in some way (especially as "clever" or "cunning"), when said character has done nothing whatsoever to demonstrate those qualities.

>> No.13578297

>>13576383
I was kind of bothered when I read about the author coming up with ideas first, then trying to find a way to fit them into the story. One of his ideas, for example, was “a man goes for a jog but gets attacked by a bunch of dogs”. While he was able to fit that into the story well, it did feel a little weird when Carolyn was super insistent that the guy HAD to go for a jog (“Why am I going for a jog?” “It just has to be that way!”). Reading about the author’s way of writing kind of made me realize that the scene was really only awkward because the author refused to give up the fact that the guy needed to go for a jog. Little things like that bothered me.

Overall, though, I really enjoyed it. One of my favorite parts was when we saw the inside of the library for the first time. It was pretty interesting how the author hid it from us without me really noticing - I didn’t realize that I’d never seen it until Carolyn has to sneak into the library blind. Until then, I just assumed that the books were stored in the chambers where they lived.

>> No.13578301

>>13578285
Because you've been brainwashed into thinking books are movies. There's a reason why it's called storyTELLING. "Show don't tell" is the stupidest fucking meme.

>> No.13578302

>>13578285
>when the other character has done nothing whatsoever to demonstrate such qualities
this is why. As long as the telling is consistent with what is shown, it does not disturb suspension of disbelief.

>> No.13578331

>>13576407
Terra Ignota is some of the best stuff I’ve read recently. I picked it up after someone mentioned it in this thread, and I wasn’t able to put it down until I was done.

I think the first book was my favorite because there was a lot more worldbuilding and mystery. The worldbuilding was fantastic, and I appreciated how almost every mystery was resolved in a super satisfactory way. I liked book 3 a little less since most of the worldbuilding and mysteries were completed/resolved, but everything else about the book kept me hooked.

It’s definitely a quality series, and I wish it received more discussion on here. also sniper a qt

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>>13577118
>My self published video game book is the future
Jesus Christ, listen to yourself

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>>13575370
>https://www.goodreads.com/series/217078-kurtherian-gambit-universe
>those covers

hahahahaha holy fuck even I have better cover art and I have yet to publish an actual book

>> No.13578429
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>>13578205
>a winning war of extinction

>> No.13578474

>>13578429
Mankind solved a global energy crisis by punching a hole through the world using a fuckhuge collider and literally tapping into the primordial soup of existence between every reality.

The horrors (called Subdimensionals in-universe) tried wiping them out before they could restructure their society to fully utilize it because it is poison to them.

They exist within multiple points of time simultaneously, and cannot be destroyed as long as one instance persists. If you expose one instance to this energy, all instances collapse into that instance and it is forced into a 3D body that can be BTFOd the same way any ayylmao can.

They also use reality-warping extensively to the point where it is as instinctive as walking is to humans. Of course, exposure to areas contaminated with this exotic energy literally burns away their ability to reality warp, and the more severe the exposure the less likely it is to ever "grow back" so to speak.

>> No.13578484

>>13577746

>what is internal logic?

>> No.13578496
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13578496

>>13577702
>Second book in a series
>Children's book
>Brown kid saves the white man
>Urban "fantasy"
He's right though, monthly anon. It's really just a choice between two mediocre sci-fi books.

Is Snow Crash worth reading? How long is too long? I'm not in the mood for another 1000 page monstrosity

>> No.13578499

>>13578474
>>13578429
In summary, mankind is a walking dirty nuke and cthulhu is a little boy in hiroshima.

>> No.13578502
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13578502

Im not even trying to get /pol/ here but is there any books in which the Nazis are the good guys or feature alternate timelines in which the Nazis arent the antagonists? Just curious to see how else they might be depicted, tired of seeing the Man in the High Castle / Wolfenstein interpretation.

>> No.13578508

>>13578502
Not-germany is in a defensive war in Saga of Tanya the Evil but thats weebshit

>> No.13578514

>>13578484
You literally complained that about 90% of the world being slaves doesn't make sense. You are, quite literally, complaining about a fantasy story being too fantastical. That has nothing to do with "internal logic." I don't know what you expected reading Sanderson though; his shit is anime as fuck.

>> No.13578529

>>13576976
Serfs made up like 75% of the medieval pop in some countries. Its not that crazy.

>> No.13578537

>>13578502
>tfw want to unironically read a John Carter of Mars-like story about an SS captain teleported to an alien world where he has to help a race of Aryan-like aliens stave off extinction from a myriad of other alien species representing various racial and religious groups on Earth

>> No.13578544

>>13578537
just read john carter of mars
or lensmen since most sf rips it off

>> No.13578556

>>13578190
What? I'm just shitposting as a basic "haha that would be weird haha" poster because I'm bored.

>> No.13578577

>>13578502
No one would publish that because the Nazis will forever remain the baddies.
Not sure how self-publishing works but I doubt companies like Amazon or WordPress would let anyone publish that.
The only thing that comes close to what you want to read there would be The Turner Diaries I guess.
Check Libgen.

>> No.13578588

>>13578502
>>13578537
Lightning by Dean Koontz had a time traveling Nazi protagonist. Ebil nahtseeS are still the bad guys though

>> No.13578593

>>13578577
Yeah you're probably right. I guess I thought space / fantasy fascist groups would have more play. Plenty of vidya and anime have the main characters straight up working for a fascist nation.

I mean, it doesnt have to be actual Nazis. Id be interested in reading something about good right wing authoritarian groups like 40k.

>> No.13578613

>>13578285
Because it's a heuristic, not a law. The point is to give the reader enough to imagine the world rather than merely keep them informed of facts. Otherwise you'd just read a plot summary.

>> No.13578617

>>13578593
>Id be interested in reading something about good right wing authoritarian groups like 40k.
The Galaxy's Edge series is basically a right-wing version of Star Wars more or less where the Stormtroopers are the good guys.

>> No.13578630

>>13578617
oh boy

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13578693

>>13578174
>The books that 99% of modern fantasy are derivative of aren't worth reading
Is this satire?

>> No.13578820

>>13578693
>because star wars has a large fanbase it's good
>because 50 shades of bdsm is so popular and had a derivatives of books it's good
leave

>> No.13578850

>>13578331
Too like the meme was shilled here for a long time, newfag. When the next book comes out the autist anon will resurface to do his uncontrollable urges.

>> No.13578852

>>13578693
Last nigh I Miss Bond 007 Shanequa Burger your sister?

>> No.13578857

>>13578347
Is that some female bane?

>> No.13578870

>>13578857
What makes her look like Bane to you? If I recall correctly he was just a buff guy in a mask with drugs.

Or a buff guy in a mask with a really nice coat if you mean the movies.

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13578871

>>13578820
>Here are out of context things now please leave me and my head canon alone
The original SW trilogy was good, that's why it has so many fans. 50 shades is a twilight fanfic that preys on women's unvoiced desire to be dominated sexually. Neither of those things has anything to do with LotR single handedly pulling fantasy fiction to the foreground of Western culture. Are you retarded, Anon?

>> No.13578876

>>13578556
Sure you are, profusely sweating anon.

>> No.13578888

>>13578870
The original bane (not the big guy from tv) had tubes feeding the drugs to his limbs and head. I think the pump was in his belt...

>> No.13578892

>>13578876
Haha what if cthulu pushed you down and made you suck his stinky toes haha t-that would be gross, right?

>> No.13578897

>>13578888
Ah.

The belt is a homage to Kamen Rider, the tendrils are basically her forming additional energy infrastructure to reduce the stress on her internal power distribution system so she can achieve a higher power output without chunks of her body burning out.

>> No.13578908

>>13578693
>it's one of those Tolkien invented fantasy and everything is a Tolkien clone idiots
kys

>> No.13578915

>>13578908
Lensmen actually invented modern sci-fi and nobody talks about it

>> No.13578953

>>13575530
>Use of Weapons
>>13575393
Reviews seem mixed on amazon saying poor characterisation and over complex, thoughts?

>> No.13579055
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13579055

Literally has the phrase "fake news" in it.

>> No.13579069

>>13579055
Based and redpilled.

>> No.13579126
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13579126

Again with the fantasy.
This is so deeply disappointing.

>> No.13579152

>>13578953
I think only the main character is memorable, and the story is very hard to follow at first. If you can get past that, it’s an enjoyable read.

>> No.13579177

>>13579126
If it bothers you so much perhaps you should fuck off from the science fiction and fantasy general?

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13579183

>>13578502
You have the alternate history novels by Harry Turtledove where the WW2 combatants unite to fight the alien invasion of Earth.
It's very hard to write something positive about *the* bad guys of modern history (even more so when they are so incompetent).

>> No.13579196

>>13579183
>nazi girls
no thanks

>> No.13579217
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13579217

>>13579177
Perhaps you could work on improving your taste instead?

>> No.13579230

>>13576426
But I'm not gay anon

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13579248

>>13578908
>>13578820
Conanfag samefagging as usual, I see

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13579253

>>13579196
I know, I am not proud of myself.

>> No.13579310

>>13579217
>fix things so I can be comfortable

>> No.13579322

I want to read a good sci-fi/fantasy novel that's not modern or YA that has a gay mc . Please anons

>> No.13579324

>>13579253
>>13579196
>>13579183
What is wrong with nazi girls? Are they also skin heads.

>> No.13579330

>>13579324
>nazi anything
No thanks

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13579335

>>13578908
Yes, Tolkien invented contemporary elfshit fantasy, you absolute autist, and those smut webnovels your degenerate ass faps to are derivative of it. Please go make some friends
>>13579196
They fine tho

>> No.13579365

>>13578693
Last night I...
>tuxedo wearing man, holding a silenced pistol next to an image of a hamburger, a common fast food of choice in America
... your sister

>> No.13579392
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13579392

>>13579310
Yes. Hop to it.

>>13579324
Nothing really. It's just a different flavor of crazy.
I mean what kind of a soiboy would you have to be to miss out on pussy due to ideological differences?

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13579404

I think this should be the final design for the mech. Had it made a little less normal since it is supposed to be a "defective" design, and oversized calves are not very easy to show that with.

Its somewhere vaguely around 20m i think, the coffin shape on the torso is the cockpit hatch.

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13579413

>>13579404
Wow that's bad.
Can't you pay a professional?

>> No.13579416

>>13579413
That's a rough outline of the overall design, anon. It's very far from finished.

>> No.13579487

>>13579330
>t. Shekelstein

>> No.13579545

>>13575370
Ironically Michael Anderele the inventor of the universe is also the worst author of the bunch. Avoid anything Anderle is involved in.

>> No.13579555

>>13578593
Starship Troopers maybe, but that might be too "soft" in that regard.
Any kind of Warhammer 40K probably fits that bill.
Or just read Judge Dredd comics.

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13579589

>>13579416
Compared to rough outlines, sketches and concepts by professional artists that's a doodle.

>>13579555
Those have absolutely nothing to do with Nazi's.

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13579603

>>13579589
Yeah, no shit. That's because the piece was in the rendering stage already and modifications had to be made after the fact after I found a major plot contrivance the original design would have caused. This was the original outline just before the proper color and shading would've been applied.

>> No.13579608

>>13579603
>>13579589
With that gif as comparison, what I have now is the 8th/9th frame in terms of progress.

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13579635

>>13579608
>>13579603
I hope to see the finished version soon.
Best of luck anon.

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13579645

>>13579635
Thanks anon. I get that WIP artwork can look rather bad because it's the definition of unfinished, but I trust this artist fully based on his finished works.

>> No.13579680

>>13579645
That looks good.
Not a lot of people can match Aaron Beck.
You might like this.
https://vimeo.com/75781782

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13579690

>>13579680
I like it, but it is not the specific flavor of cyberpunk I am most fond of.

>> No.13579703

>>13579690
Oh he doesn't do punk, only cyber.
Maybe the latest video here is the closest.
https://vimeo.com/biglazyrobot

>> No.13579712

>>13579703
Yeah, his style reminds me too much of Neil Blomkampf to truly enjoy. I like it, but I hear that obnoxious retard robot going FUCK MOTHER in my head every once in a while while I watch.

I like my cyborgs meaty, my mecha flashy, and my technology barely distinguishable from magitek.

>> No.13579742

>>13579712
That's funny because he worked on all Blomkampf's movies, COWADUTY, last Mad Max, and a shitload of other intellectual properties.

>> No.13579751

>>13579742
That does explain some things.

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13579771

>>13579751
I hope you are not into Die Antwoord.

>> No.13579779

>>13579771
If I was I would have liked Chappie.

>> No.13579786

What's the crusader Kings 2 of sff ?

>> No.13579811

so the mc of my story basically figured out he could use an old ID scanner to try and access some corrupted data about how his body was made to possibly figure out who he was

i set it up to subvert the trope of characters finding out who they were before the story, how does this sound?

SHELL MANUFACTURING MANIFEST

ENDOSKELETON ID: NO MARKING FOUND

EXOSKELETON ID: NO MARKING FOUND

BRAINCASE ID: NO MARKING FOUND

BIOGEL DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE ID: NOT MAN

SELF-REPAIR SYSTEM ID: NOT MACHINE

POWER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM ID: NOT THE VOID

LOCOMOTIVE SYSTEM ID: GREATER THAN ALL THREE

SENSOR SUITE ID: SOMETHING IN-BETWEEN

ASSIMILATION SUBSYSTEM ID: I AM FREE

ERROR: IDENTITY ERASED

>> No.13579901

>>13579392
>what kind of a soiboy would you have to be to miss out on pussy due to ideological differences?
The kind that doesn't want to get stabbed in the neck while reading red wolf black leopard?

>> No.13579924

>>13579404
You got rid of the brainiac triangle, but the dots left behind looks like a face. You also have an iron man/ every modern power suit energy module in the chest going on.

>> No.13579932

>>13579924
The chest thing is a big chunky scanner lens, the intention was not a power thing.

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>>13579901
>reading red wolf black leopard
Most would agree that it was justified.

>> No.13580103

Brandon Sanderson is a good writer.

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>>13579811

>> No.13580158

>>13578953
You've gotta reread the book again once you learn the plot twist, it puts EVERYTHING in a different light.
And not really spoilers but it might take you a while to realize that the book is two stories, one told forwards and one told in reverse

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13580259

>tfw no frost giant's daughter waifu

>> No.13580527

>>13580259
Why is it universally accepted that gingers have no soul and are a by product of breeding with the fae.

>> No.13580540

>>13580103
Nice try, Brandon.

>> No.13580546

>>13580527
Ginger pubes are the sexiest of pubes though.

>> No.13580625

>lud in the mist
More like nod in the mist.
yawn.png

>> No.13580653

Any new chinkshit on amazon?
I need potions and pill popping.

>> No.13580701

>>13580546
>>13580546
>>13580546

>> No.13580704

>>13580653
does it count if all the characters in my story constantly drink bootleg stimulant mix derived from centuries-old malfunctioning synthesizer firmware

>> No.13580707

>>13580653
Second book in A Thousand Li was just released. download it to my kindle but haven't read it yet. but i did enjoy the first a lot.
Also technically its western chinkshit and Tao Wong novels are hit or miss. But a thousand li was pretty good.

>> No.13580735

The Malazan Book Of The Fallen is the best fantasy series ever written by a long shot

>> No.13580753

>>13580735
Nice try, Steven.

>> No.13580867

>>13580704
Western ironman armor anon, chill.

>> No.13580872

>>13580867
>everything is capeshit
fuck you

>> No.13580873

>>13580707
Thousand li didn't have gay shit and feeding, helping and protecting people that tried to kill you and steal your shit like the system apocalypse.

>> No.13580875

>>13580872
Back to tv with you. Cunny lovers always out themselves.

>> No.13580879

>>13580875
What do those retarded buzzphrases even mean? Speak like a human being for once you absolute cockmongler.

>> No.13580888

>>13580879
You are the one using the buzzword "capeshit". Only tv autists throw such a hissy fit at the mention of some fictional morally right character that has a penchant for saving people while destroying property.

>> No.13580895

>>13580888
Capeshit does not own the concept of a hero and directly has nothing to do with it.
Capeshit is a cancer killing everything to do with western comics

>> No.13580897

>>13580872
You were schooled in the last thread that normies will see your work as comics adaptation and not anime. But you seem to not have learned your lesson.

>> No.13580902

>>13580895
Seeing as "capeshit" was what started western comics, I don't think you see how retarded your statement is.

>> No.13580917

>>13580895
capeshit really isnt killing anything.
in comics particularly. its in no particular order:
>Identity politics and strong political agendas
>Rebranding old established heroes an either genderswapping them, changing their origin story or making their sexuality a major plot point and a defining feature instead of creating new unique heroes with their own set of circumstances
>Catering to people that do not buy comics
>Blaming everything on the fans
similar things are happening to books but its a completely different medium so its not as widespread.

>> No.13580932

There was a large chamber there, hollowed out of the body of the giant as if some huge internal organ had been removed; the walls were slick, tinted red as though the flesh still pulsed with life. Veins stood out like blue pillars. But it was not the structure of the chamber that had caused the Voidal and Grabulic to gasp—it was the things within it. For here in choked abundance there were frightful creatures that had the appearance of hybrids, as though men and non-men had been crossbred and mutated to produce the most outlandish of beings. Their outer characteristics were hideously exaggerated, and as the two men looked in at them, they saw that they were all female. Some were lovely of body, but had sub-human faces, others’ bodies were wildly grotesque but had beautiful faces; still more were unspeakably horrific. All were chained, some linked to the walls of the chamber by membranous filaments, flowing through which was a familiar crimson fluid. Sizes varied—there were dwarfish, squat-faced beings and tall, gangling spiderish things. Some there were that crawled in dark corners, away from the pulsing mass of bodies near the light.
“What anteroom of hell is this!” cried Grabulic.
Larg sniggered unpleasantly. “Hell, master? There is no hell here. This is the Keep that rules over the Ocean of Souls. There may be other Gods with their places of paradise and their hells, but not here.”
The Voidal scowled down at the scrawny figure. “This is the work of Necral?”
“It is. I told you—his mind is as debased as his rotting Keep. This is a place he puts aside for his private, uninterrupted amusement.”
“Then he has indeed created a hell for those unfortunates. Who are they?”
“Hybrids. Bred from souls that he has secretly culled from the Ocean. He tortures them and moulds them for pleasure, then discards them when they displease or bore him.”
“Discards them?” echoed the Voidal. “He returns them to the Ocean of Souls?”
“Nay. There is a place, deep down in the frozen entrails of the Keep. There, among mouldering bones, the discarded ones are tossed, too crippled to complain. They soon reach their own oblivion.”

Damn.

>> No.13580947

>>13580917
Exactly this, thank you.

>> No.13580949
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You ever really liked a book but not wanted to read the sequels?

This was fantastic, ended almost entirely with sequel setup and yet I'm also kinda happy just leaving it there.

>> No.13580995

>>13580932
>let me drop an excerpt that is out of context and a single word to be my summation of what I read

>> No.13580998

https://twitter.com/BancroftJosiah/status/1157283324731252736

genre author DESTROYED by his own grandmother

>> No.13581005

>>13580995
Damn.

>> No.13581020

>>13580995
Based.

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>>13580998
this image would probably kill her

>> No.13581083

>>13581034
That makes no sense
>B B B B B

>> No.13581134

>>13580103
I'm still not sure how I feel about Sanderson.
There are times when I think he's a decent writer - Warbreaker was surprisingly good from start to finish, I could almost believe he's a sober and seasoned fantasy writer after reading it.
But then he comes back with shit like The Reckoners - which is one of the most embarassingly bad series I've ever read. It feels like it's written by a self published 15 year old anime fanfiction writer. It's adolescent drivel, all the characters are cringey as fuck, the dialogue and humor are the fucking worst. Edgy fucking 3 piece suit fedora wearing katana carrying holy fuck just kill me.
Most of his other novels are somewhere inbetween. Elantris was largely good until the last act, where it abruptly becomes retarded. Mistborn starts out good, and abruptly becomes generic anime fanfiction halfway through. Stormlight has been largely good, excluding the ending of book 2 which was fucking embarassing, but then he gets back on the horse and book 3 returns to the largely sober style of book 1.
I just don't get how someone abruptly becomes a terrible writer in the middle of his books. Is he intentionally dumbing down his books to try to appeal to a broader audience? Is he actually a terrible writer, but is sort of okay at mimicking better writers but occaisionally slips when he gets too excited? It's fucking baffling.

>> No.13581153

>>13581083
It's B'BB'B my lad

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>tfw now that I've got a new job and a therapist I have no excuse not to write anymore

>> No.13581427

Anyone have some recomendations for some military sci-fi (or military fantasy) with a lot of worldbuilding/infodumps? Liked the Old Man's War series and Most of David Weber's stuff (multiverse, some early honorverse). Really like to just soak in every little detail of a world/event.

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>>13581427

>> No.13581496

>>13575665
I like Iron dragons daughter

>> No.13581555
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>>13576383
>Snow Crash is to long
OH COME ON WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
Was it you shitting on Wandering Inn because JESUS CHRIST THIS BOOK IS LONG BURN IT? Why would you even need to state the page count, it's more or less the same. Just make a weekly short story reading list if you hate reading this much.

>> No.13581577

>>13581427
Old Man's War was shit with regards to its setting though
It made absolutely no sense and existed solely to give the main plot device a reason to function at all

>> No.13581582

The Player of Games was absolute kino

>> No.13581588

>>13575665
I literally never pay attention to the author's gender. It hasn't made a difference once.

the only exception to the rule is Charlie Jane Anders, whose hugo-winning novel was so awful I'm convinced she only won because she was trans.

Even then, being trans is completely unrelated to writing quality. Just look at the matrix

>>13578285
You don't have a problem, what you hate is self-contradiction. It's fine if you say someone runs awkwardly because that adverb IS the illustration. Calling a character who acts like a retard smart on the other hand is wrong because their stupidity has already been illustrated.

That said, it's not bad by necessity. It can be used to humorous effect or to highlight how a character views themselves. The Wizard of Oz is pretty well known for using this, while /sffg/ hates The Name Of The Wind despite executing this perfectly because their collective lack of reading comprehension means they don't notice this when the main character outright says he embellishes his stories about himself

>> No.13581603

>>13581588
Good post, anon

>> No.13581690

>>13575042
its criminal how few people have read the first three Corum books. shits astoundingly good.

>> No.13581725

>>13581582
I read it, but wasn't aware of, and didn't catch the gimmick regarding the planet until someone pointed it out. I'm sure I'd like it a lot more if I reread it.

>> No.13581739

>>13579811
>Ten percent luck
>Twenty percent skill
>Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
>Five percent pleasure
>Fifty percent pain
>One hundred percent reason to remember the name
Take it down a notch bro

>> No.13581759

>>13581725
>gimmick
What?

>> No.13581780

>>13578285
That particular example is very bad because there is no reason for a character to say that. Even if you are in a situation where it serves the story better to tell it rather than show it you can convey the same information through description, other characters' thoughts, etc. A lot of people write dialogue like they're writing a movie or TV show though where characters have to say everything they're thinking or else the audience will never hear it.

>> No.13581782

>>13581759
the planet can be read as being earth

>> No.13581811
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13581811

>>13580546
FACT

>>13580653
>>13580704
>>13580707
>>13580873
>>13580917
>>13580902
>>13580932
You niggers are in the wrong thread

>>13580998
Based

>>13581134
Only Stormlight Archive is readable, and even that is cringey as fuck at times

>>13581690
Based Eternal Champion poster

>> No.13581813

>>13577069
Didn't watch the movies, so I can't really compare.

>> No.13581869

>>13581782
Only if you take the game to be very VERY allegorical

>> No.13581956

>>13575261
unfathomably based

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>>13576383
>I disqualified Lud-in-the-Mist and Neuromancer because they're simply to well known in the thread.

Didn't stop you from having Gene Wolfe multiple fucking times

>> No.13581977

>>13581427
It’s not huge on the xeno world building, but Starship Troopers is worth a try. Beyond that Armor was good and the Spiral Wars isn’t bad. Oh yeah, Hammer Slammers too.

Also fuck forever war with a rusty fork. If I wanted to listen to some hippy tell me how war and killing were bad I’d go visit downtown Olympia.

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>>13581977
>downtown Olympia
You dug up some bad memories, anon. God, what a horrible little city.

>> No.13582029

>>13575016
Currently reading Dune.
Damn it is fucking good. I wish I had picked it up before, I think the 80s movie really deceived me.

>> No.13582106

Why are capeshits so adamant about everything being like their garbage picture books

>> No.13582274

>>13582106
Why do capeshit haters bring capeshit up in every unrelated thread?

>> No.13582286

>>13582274
there are 8 other mentions of capeshit in this thread other than the single time I mentioned it
they are also the reason i mentioned it

>> No.13582310

>>13582029
Indeed. Do read the rest of Herbert's six novels when you finish the first.

>> No.13582345

>>13582286
And incidentally they are posts hating on capeshit in an unrelated thread.

>> No.13582366

>>13582345
You're not pulling a fast one on me nigger, I know why that anon is pissy over capeshitters, and I would do the same if I was in that position

>> No.13582374

>>13582366
Just pulling your leg here, princess.

>> No.13582515

Kinda new to fantasy, is Malzan, Memory sorrow thorn and stromglight archives any good? They look interesting, but the latter two seem to get a lot of hate. Only fantasy series I have read so far are wheel of time and book of the new sun, hated the former loved the latter

>> No.13582520

>>13582515
Stormlight as a whole is good.

>> No.13582530

>>13582515
Malazan is awful, Stormlight takes all the worst aspects of Wheel of Time then wraps them up in an extremely politically correct Mormon package. Never read Sorrow and Thorn.

>> No.13582534

>>13582374
Have sex.

>> No.13582535

>>13582530
what's so awful about malazan?

>> No.13582541

>>13582535
It's basically HOO AH MUHRENS fap fiction with a fantasy setting that's totally not the Middle East. The entire story is just an excuse to justify cool set pieces and "awesome" moments.
It's a Michael Bay movie in text form.

>> No.13582579

>>13582541
hmmm what are some good fantasy series then?

>> No.13582586

>>13582534
Thanks, I will.

>> No.13582603

>>13582579
That really depends on what you want. The Farseer series is good if you want something more down to eart and you can handle Tragedies, the Crimson Queen is good if you want new wave Sword and Sorcery. If you want a fun, light Harry Potter type series then Into the Labyrinth is worth checking out.
There's also the Powder Mage series if you want something that is vastly different to your typical fantasy setting, it's also just very good generally. The Spellslinger series is decent light reading, it also departs pretty heavily from the typical fantasy structure (not to be confused with the SpellSINGer series, which is also pretty entertaining in its own right, but it's definitely the product of an LSD habit.)

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13582618

There we go with the fantasy again.

>> No.13582626

>>13577661
I wouldn't go short, there's a stigma over short fiction.Just write a novel.

>> No.13582631

>>13582626
I pretty much am, I just wanted to release it in multiple smaller pieces rather than a 100k word hunk.

>> No.13582642

>>13582603
Farseer looks like something very generic, I was more looking for something intricate and interesting, maybe like berserk or dark souls. Is coldfire or thomas covenant any good? I thought I would read them later, but seeing as I will probably not be reading stormlight or malazan soon I may try to read those

>> No.13582646

>>13582631
I understood that, my advice is novel length for each release.

>> No.13582650

>>13582642
Oh you're one of those. Go back to /v/.

>> No.13582683

>>13578496
>monthly anon
That was not me. But anon's right however. I'm not a big fan of Stephenson but Snow Crash is worth a read.

>>13578297
>That is his writing process
Well that explain a whole bunch of stuff.

>>13581555
>Just make a weekly short story reading
We actually started out reading short stories.

>>13581966
Fifth Head was before I decided to be a little more anal about rules, and the month after he died was a special case.

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What are some good fantasy novels with a school setting?
The ones I know are Harry Potter (obviously), Superpowereds (which SUCKS) and Arcane Dropout (really trashy but I liked it). Books where the school isn't the focus, like A Wizard of Earthsea, don't count btw.

>> No.13582723

>>13578496
Also, the anon who have by now nominated In Other Worlds like 50 times have promised that it reads well as a standalone.

>> No.13582728

>>13582709
As has already been mentioned, Into the Labyrinth is entertaining enough.

>> No.13582759

>>13581555
>it's the retarded I would read anything just to read anon

>> No.13582782

>>13581588
Name of the wind wasn't the problem, we could have stomached that. It's wise man's fear we have the problem with.

>> No.13582793

>>13582709
The Magicians

>> No.13582811

>>13581811
Conanfag, you are really pushing the rules. Stop shit posting with an avatar on posts that are on topic.

>> No.13582830

>>13582603
>Farseer series
>assassin who doesn't assassinate people
>misery porn
Kys.

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>>13582709
My nigga I got just the thing for you.
Vampire Academy by Richelle Mead (also made into a crappy movie).
That series would be perfect for you.

>> No.13582850

>>13582830
I mean, one of the major points of the first two books is that Fitz is utterly unsuited to being an Assassin. His "assassination" attempt against Regal is literally taking his shirt off, picking up a weapon and screaming "1v1 me fgt" at him in the middle of a feast. He's a macho berserker who got stuck in a role he wasn't fit for, because he was a bastard.

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>>13582838
is this an ironic recommendation or are you serious?

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>>13582862
You won't know until you start reading nigga.

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13582897

>another fantasy general

>> No.13582899

>>13575016
I miss Terry Pratchett

>> No.13582936

>>13582897
It's horrible isn't it?

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I will post cyberpunk to balance the fantasy.

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>>13583140
That's not cyberpunk, that's weebshit.

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>>13583221
Cyborgs are cyberpunk whether you like it or not
also, fuck you, Ghost in the Shell

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>>13582811
>Capeshit and litrpg smut
>On topic
Sad panda is back. I'm surprised you faggots are still here shitting up the thread instead of jerking off to Chinese cartoons of little kids

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>>13583239
Yeah cute schoolgirls doing cute things is the definition of cyberpunk weeb.

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>>13583645
>this is cute girls doing cute things
>implying the likes of GitS and Akira are not seminal works in the cyberpunk genre
kermit sewerslide untermensch

>> No.13583693

>>13583683
>>/a/
>>/co/
>>/tv/

>> No.13583697

>>13583286
>sadpanda is only used for Chinese little kids
noose thyself, peasant

>> No.13583709

>>13583693
Thanks for admitting you have no argument.

>> No.13583733

>>13577134
berserk comes to mind.

>> No.13583829

>>13583709
he is admitting that your topic is off topic and you should go back to your containment boards

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>>13583683
So take your "seminal works" to the proper board weeb. You can discuss highschoolers, bloomers and cute cyberpunk things without dragging the quality of discussion here.

>> No.13583925

>>13577134
I'll read the first few paragraphs and if your writing doesn't suck I'll finish it

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13583950

>>13583683
Cyborgs are hard sci-fi though. Androids are more cyberpunk.

>> No.13583959

>>13583950
You rarely ever see self-proclaimed hard sci-fi with widespread cybernetic enhancements, especially in comparison to cyberpunk works. Full custom-built bodies are a logical next step from cybernetics, and at that point, if your "androids" are functionally equivalent to humans, there is little distinction beyond whether one was born or made.

>> No.13583995

The monthly vote is currently at a tie. Someone do something or I'´ll have to toss a coin to decide.

>> No.13584011

>>13583959
Right, but then you're getting more into that grey area between cyberpunk and more classical science fiction. It's a genre built on aesthetics. Having some robotic enhancements eg. a robotic arm to replace the one lost in the Yakuza/Neo-Seoul war of 2036 or something, is pretty cyberpunk, but going full cyborg feels too futuristic. Post-cyberpunk? Would you consider Hannu Rajaniemi's stuff cyberpunk?

>> No.13584022

>>13583995
Let's just read Snow Crash. Those books suck.

>> No.13584065

>>13584011
Cyberpunk, just like many other genres, has degrees of just how cyberpunk it is. On one end of the spectrum you have near-future pseudo-realism with minimal fantastic elements. On the other end, you have Raiden from MGR.

>> No.13584087

THREAD WHORE

>> No.13584162

Threads are going way too fast, you fuckers need to calm down.

>>13584150
>>13584150
>>13584150
>>13584150
>>13584150

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>>13583849
>sffg
>quality of discussion

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