What is driving nihilism?

[Anonymous No.13574718]

>A UK wide survey reveals the extent to which the younger generation feel disillusioned, with the MAJORITY (89 percent) of 16-29 year olds, claiming their life lacks purpose or meaning.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9637619/young-brits-life-lacks-purpose/

[Anonymous No.13574721]

>>13574718
thanks russell

[Anonymous No.13574723]

Atheism imo

[Anonymous No.13574768]

Zoomers are based now?

[Anonymous No.13574771]

>>13574718
"meaning" is a spook.

[Anonymous No.13574773]

>kill religion because science
>kill the "nation" for free movement of human capital
>promote hedonism for consumerism

>wonder why people feel aimless and unfulfilled

[Anonymous No.13574785]

Well duh, part of youth is finding the purpose of your life

[Anonymous No.13574790]

>>13574718
Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13574791]

Better question: Why do young people lie?

[Anonymous No.13574792]

Isn't it obvious? They are realizing that people don't actually have control over their own lives, there's an entire system that pretty much sets their position in life. They can only alter the choices that don't matter. Religion hasn't been able to answer the existential crisis that defines this generation. No wonder people are so apathetic about their purpose in life

[Anonymous No.13574827]

>>13574718
Industrial technological society.

[Anonymous No.13574839]

>>13574718
Good. The masses must become poor and disillusioned before they can crown the new chief of their tribe.

[Anonymous No.13574854]

"People can be retroactively deprived of meaning in a rather unequivocal way. For example, many of us have ancestors who fought and died for what they believed was the sovereignty and integrity of their nation … gave their lives so that their own future generations could exist in security and prosperity. They invested great meaning in their sacrifice. But when this merely paved the way for immediate future generations determined to give away the sovereignty and integrity for which they had died, their sacrifice was deprived of meaning. Everyone who ever sacrificed life or comfort for one’s nation, and the civilization of which that nation was emblematic, has been abjectly robbed of meaning by the subhuman garbage that now mostly populates national and international governments and academia, indoctrinating the weak of mind to cede their humanity. After all, it’s not as though these subhumans actually have a plan for improving the situation for anyone but themselves; their idea is simply to steal everything that isn’t nailed down and redistribute the crumbs to a mongrelized, deracinated underclass devoid of freedom and dignity. It’s an unbelievable tragedy."

[Anonymous No.13574863]

>>13574718
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.13574869]

>>13574718
modern institutions offer no positive vision of the world, only negations of possible positive visions

[Anonymous No.13574871]

>>13574839
>tfw me and my buddy co-own a popular bar and once the disillusionment happens we're going to go the Hitler route and start our own populist uprising from speeches in beer halls
Collapse is looking comfy for me, lads.

[Anonymous No.13574877]

>>13574792
>They can only alter the choices that don't matter.

It's more along the lines of learned helplessness. There's a lot of brainwashing and red tape to overcome, but nothing really *forces* you to be part of the system. At the end of the day and you can choose a different system - US cults famously prey on this. Or if you really have the balls, go full frontier and live in central africa.

[Anonymous No.13574891]

>>13574773
It miiiiiight blow your mind to realize this, but people have NOT always been religious. religion falls in and out of favor like any other cultural trend.

go read a book and maybe you'd find that out.

[Anonymous No.13574898]

>>13574871
I live in an extremely liberal state in the US so even my most "conservative" friends are libertarians are most. But it's odd, in the past couple years a lot of people who've always known me as "that funny right wing friend" are starting to come to me and tell me that I was right about shit that they initially didn't think I was right about. I know more than a couple New England white Bernie Sanders supporters who feel super disillusioned because they've realized that the left is explicitly anti-white. I can see our future forming and it's great.

[Anonymous No.13574907]

>>13574891
>people have NOT always been religious
Name a single location and time period prior to the 1960s where people in general were not religious.

[Anonymous No.13574909]

>>13574790
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.13574912]

>>13574839
it'll be me

[Anonymous No.13574914]

>>13574718
This isn't nihilism, it's the anomie and apathy driven by liberalism and decadence. Good times create weak men.

[Anonymous No.13574916]

>>13574854
Langan is such an insufferable cunt. Nationalism is a fairly new meme, filling the void as church lost power. Before that there were only empires, and a common man in there was anything but patriotic.

[Anonymous No.13574920]

>>13574718
I wonder how it would differ in America?

[Anonymous No.13574927]

>>13574854
die boomer

[Anonymous No.13574954]

>>13574912
No it won't, you narcissist. We have too many Hitlers and not enough Horst Wessels. Stop trying to gain personally from a movement that needs people willing to contribute famelessly.

[Anonymous No.13574969]

>>13574954
it's okay to be wrong

[Anonymous No.13574973]

To understand the opposite of nihilism, you need to understand the roots of it in the Cartesian-Newtonian universe of the Enlightenment era. In this model the universe was created largely as it was, and is essentially a machine of cause and effect started by a First Cause which also sustains it. Everything is determined by mechanistic rules, including animals, which were though to be literal automatons. Humans were exempted from causal determinism by free will, which was given by God as self-creative inspiration.

This view began to be challenged in the era of Darwin who described a process that could account for life without requiring a creator-God, a trend that would be followed in every scientific field. God effectively died but the mechanistic universe model was largely maintained. This resulted in active nihilism (humans as the sole creators of meaning, who create meaning ex nihilo from a meaningless existence) and passive nihilism (even humans are mere meat robots.)

The sciences have moved increasingly away from mechanicism but it's remained in our public philosophy and the way we largely think about ourselves because it's the foundation of the entire world order, exemplified in the paradigm of game theory which describes humans as self-interest-maximizing agent-automatons. It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The opposite of nihilism is not theism, which is the root of the cancer. Theism is the monopolization of creative originality by an All-Creator, and the opposite is the anarchization of creativity, a pan-creativism where all occurrences are simultaneously self-creating and created by the categorical other, featuring both bottom-up causal influence and top-down self-influence. A metaphor is considering the universe not as a creative unity but a self-creating tapestry where each thread is created by and creates others. Instead of meaning being absent, created ex-nihilo, or a singular end to all things, meaning is infinite in potential and inexhaustible, an endless becoming where meaning is both objectively experienced as an immediacy and a subjective aim towards the future.

The perspective of life from this is engaging in one's existence as co-creative relationships between all things, most especially others humans which we are capable of sharing the most interiority and meaning-creating with. It is seeing other humans beings as other life-artists and engaging with them in the art of shared lives, to recognize individual autonomy and interdependence as not being in conflict but mutually essential.

[Anonymous No.13574975]

>>13574907
France during Robespierre's first year.
Russia since the 1930s
Vatican city since the Medicis

[Anonymous No.13575012]

>>13574718
It really is a mutable trend, especially with that age group.
Still, a large part of it seems to be related too lack of finance. Mimetic desire could be creating a negative feedback loop here via social media and failed expectations.

[Anonymous No.13575013]

>>13574898
>I can see our future forming and it's great.
Shape it into the future you want bro, I believe in you. Study rhetoric and public speaking, have a look at the industry in your state and figure out where the workers might congregate so you know how to get at them with flyers and speeches. All of this is made much easier with a buddy or two but once the economy dives it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Anonymous No.13575037]

>>13574975
>France during Robespierre's first year.
As in the Robespierre who was overthrown by people who were religious because of his insane nonsense? You think Robespierre seize power and the whole of France was magically irreligious? The Vendee certainly disagrees. Shit example to list first.

>Russia since the 1930s
You realize that the Orthodox Church was abolished and then revived under Stalin's rule precisely because it was unrealistic to leave it abolished? Orthodoxy is and has always been the majority religion in Russia since its inception.

>Vatican city since the Medicis
What you stupid fucking cum drinking nigger? I'll take this as you admitting defeat. Nice try kid *brandishes katana*

[Anonymous No.13575040]

>>13574718
Poor career prospects, wage stagnation making it harder for millennials to make a life of their own and the atomisation of society. It's hard to believe that your life is meaningful when basic needs aren't being met.

[Anonymous No.13575045]

>>13574973
Pass the bong

[Anonymous No.13575052]

>>13574718
We are eradicating meaning. Humans are a mess of evolutionary heuristics and hangovers. Technology has progressed to such an extent that we can easily trick these heuristics. In a first world country there is no struggle for food, more entertainment than a person could ever need is available for free, artificial gyms are doping us with hormones for free, porn is driving out our sexual urges, etc. More and more people are simply dropping out of society.
At the same time we are abolishing all that is religious. Science explains more and more of the world. Things we once thought had significance or "meaning" are now just the result of simple pseudo-deterministic systems (quantum mechanics won't set you free baby). In this day and age one would have to be a special kind of credulous to believe in a greater purpose.
It's only going to get worse. What happens when no one has to work? What happens when neuroscience explains everything you think and feel? What happens when there is a drug to make you feel love/fulfillment/religion/whatever available in convenient tablet or powdered form?

I personally am going to kill myself in a few years.
https://www.academia.edu/19469409/Crash_Space

[Anonymous No.13575056]

>>13575013
I'm in NJ and it's majority nonwhite here. I'm lucky that I'm in one of the few majority white areas in the state but overall this place is definitely fucked. Anything that happens here will be underground and not within the system.

[Anonymous No.13575082]

>>13574973
Good post anon

[Anonymous No.13575092]

>>13575052
Dont kill yourself, watch it all come crumbling down and you will find happiness

[Anonymous No.13575101]

>>13574909
I also enjoy responding with the word "Capitalism" whenever someone wants an explanation for why something in the current world goes wrong.
But the question is nagging me more and more that if whatever system X it would be that currently reigns, the answer to the above question then would be X.
What in the current bad situation can we explicitly tie to capitalism and what part of our answering is just tautologically pointing to <current system>. The danger I see here is that this answer frees us from the need to understand what's actually the cause and effect.
I think the above is also why Lands Capital idea is appealing. If you elevate Capital to a god that was coming (from le future) all along, then indeed it seems natural that the system X that reigns just HAD to be capitalism.

>>13574869
I'd like to build an institution then. It cannot be _that_ hard. Let's do it online, an uni, a global reading club or sort. Not a job training circle, of course. Let's think out loud:
Why do people partake in the institution? Do we have to read Humboldt to design it? What's the incentives for that?

[Anonymous No.13575105]

>all the marxists in this thread citing alienation theories with no replacement
>they unironically believe humans live in a purely materialistic plane and any medicine they prescribe wont get to the essence of anything

[Anonymous No.13575106]

>>13574973
sooo when did you get a hold of my notebooks huh???

[Anonymous No.13575125]

>>13575105
capitalists believe humans live in a purely materialistic plane too. Stop thinking in dualist terms, the right and the left are two sides of the same coin

[Anonymous No.13575127]

alright marxfags help me out here, is it worth reading an abridged version of capital or should i just suck it up and read all 2800 pages?

[Anonymous No.13575129]

>>13574790
Seeking meaning through any economic/political movement is going leave you feeling empty because it’s rests on the impossible ideal that negative things can be completely removed from society when in fact we live in a relativistic world which needs the bad to experience the good. That’s why all religions work on accepting suffering.

[Anonymous No.13575140]

>>13574973
You act as if you end this on a positive note but
>meaning is infinite in potential and inexhaustible, an endless becoming where meaning is both objectively experienced as an immediacy and a subjective aim towards the future.
doesn't say anything.
You still leave making meaning to us and have no reason to believe that there's no external meanings to things.

[Anonymous No.13575151]

>>13575129
not only that, but getting >economic/political will inadvertently mean you have to get comfortable to support violence in one way or another. And that ends up drawing a lot of antagonisms against your person. To endure this path, you have to get entirely and absolutely spooked by your position.

[Anonymous No.13575152]

>>13574718
atomized individualism

[Anonymous No.13575158]

>>13575092
>happiness
I think you've missed the point. There is a surplus of happiness.

[Anonymous No.13575159]

>>13574718
>the sun

[Anonymous No.13575162]

>>13575158
>There is a surplus of happiness.
cringe

[Anonymous No.13575169]

>>13575105
>>13575125
We do live in a purely materialistic plane. But human consciousness desires immaterial things, which do not exist. Consciousness was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.13575176]

>>13575158
how can anyone be this clueless

[Anonymous No.13575202]

>>13575169
I don't think they desire it. Just like animals don't desire. We are just better off not "knowing" the meaninglessness.

I put meaning in quotes simply for the people who actually reject the "material plane", but of course that's either wishful thinking or in any case no good "rational" case can be made for it. The cop-out is then just to hate on rationality, which is convenient for them because /lit/ fags need a way to feel better than STEM fags and also "rational" STEM thinkers like Husserl or Russel are tedious and rather boring and easy to hate. But it's all cope - simply because rationality and physics is tedious and leads to nothing good, doesn't invalidate it in any way. Bashing this stuff is desperate cope.

[Anonymous No.13575205]

>>13574771
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13575215]

>>13574954
This.

[Anonymous No.13575222]

>>13574773
wow faggot if only everybody was a neopuritan asshole like you i’m sure we’d find our way