/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13542295]

NRSV is objectively the best English translation of the Bible. That is all.

[Anonymous No.13542331]

>>13542295
If one could only have one translation may as as well read the most literati version otherwise one should just read the original language

[Anonymous No.13542340]

>>13542331
NRSV reads the best so I'd pick that

[Anonymous No.13542352]

KJV is best you heathen.

[Anonymous No.13542488]

>>13542340
"Because I'm an American pea-sized brain monolingual mongrel"

[Anonymous No.13542489]

>>13542488
Americans read KJV

[Anonymous No.13542590]

Why does /lit/ always seem to insist there is only one good translation of a work of literature? NRSV and KJV both have their merits. NRSV is favored by scholars and is the most accurate, but KJV is the most poetic/literary and is essential reading for anyone who cares about Western literature. You should read both, the same way you should read Homer translated by both Lattimore and Pope.

[Anonymous No.13542844]

World English Bible

I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the sky broke out on the great sea.
3 Four great animals came up from the sea, different from one another.
4 “The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made to stand on two feet as a man. A man’s heart was given to it.
5 “Behold, there was another animal, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth. They said this to it: ‘Arise! Devour much flesh!’
6 “After this I saw, and behold, another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The animal also had four heads; and dominion was given to it.
7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and, behold, there was a fourth animal, awesome and powerful, and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth. It devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet. It was different from all the animals that were before it. It had ten horns.
8 “I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots: and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 “I watched until thrones were placed,
and one who was ancient of days sat.
His clothing was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool.
His throne was fiery flames,
and its wheels burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came out from before him.
Thousands of thousands ministered to him.
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The judgment was set.
The books were opened.

[Anonymous No.13542855]

>>13542590
it's not /lit/, it's just monolingual americans, precisely the people with the smallest authority when it comes to translations.
Just see, every translation discussion is always about translators like Fagles, those you mentioned, P&V for the russians, Longfellow for the Divine Comedy...

[Anonymous No.13542868]

>>13542295
>NRSV
>>13542855
>In the preface to the NRSV Bruce Metzger wrote for the committee that “many in the churches have become sensitive to the danger of linguistic sexism arising from the inherent bias of the English language towards the masculine gender, a bias that in the case of the Bible has often restricted or obscured the meaning of the original text”.[2] The RSV observed the older convention of using masculine nouns in a gender-neutral sense (e.g. "man" instead of "person"), and in some cases used a masculine word where the source language used a neuter word. This move has been widely criticised by some, including within the Catholic Church, and continues to be a point of contention today. The NRSV by contrast adopted a policy of inclusiveness in gender language.[2] According to Metzger, “The mandates from the Division specified that, in references to men and women, masculine-oriented language should be eliminated as far as this can be done without altering passages that reflect the historical situation of ancient patriarchal culture.

[Anonymous No.13543117]

Behold, I was formed in iniquity; and in Sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 51:5

Book of hate

[Anonymous No.13543236]

>τί ἐkαλλιώθησαν μαστοί σου...
>"How sweet is your love..."
Into the trash it goes. Douay-Rheims vindicated yet again.

[Anonymous No.13543259]

>>13542295
I dont understand, I was raised as catholic so never actually read the bible and not even sure what the bible is..
Isnt the bible made up of like many books, new and old testament? or is it just one book?

[Anonymous No.13543420]

>>13543259
great education you got, if this is not bait.
There are several books in the old and several in the new.
They are divided into classifications, like historical, wisdom, poetical books.

[Anonymous No.13543442]

>>13543420
It's a Proteshart false-flagging obviously

[Anonymous No.13543448]

>>13543259

[Anonymous No.13543452]

>>13542331
This cover is dope, looks Qu'ranified

[Anonymous No.13543510]

>>13543420
honest, I went to church because I was required to learn stuff for confirmation. I also went several times because I was told to go by my parents. Learning bible or what bible is was never part of my actual education. And rightly so.

[Anonymous No.13543603]

>>13543452
it's barnes & noble, a bit tacky but it's nice. Thick paper, nicely sized font, wonderful doré's illustrations

[Anonymous No.13543608]

>>13543510
but you never heard about genesis? exodus? psalms? book of revelation? gospels? what in god's name, you're in a literature board my guy

[Anonymous No.13543617]

>>13543608
genesis is the book from old testament (?) and book of revelation is what priest used to read out loud during mass? I honestly dont know, even if I am interested in literature I see no point in reading the bible because its completely irrelevant to me (I read excerpts online, and they made no sense at all).

[Anonymous No.13543779]

>>13543117
There's three different ways of interpreting this verse. How do you see it?

[Anonymous No.13543820]

>>13543617
>"i like literature"
>"the bible is completely irrelevant to me"
if you like actual literature, not fantasy or scifi, it fucking is relevant to you, because every great author in history knew the bible inside out ass backwards, and many, many of them were strongly influenced by it directly or indirectly. Quite a few of the most told, and most widely known stories of humanity are in the bible.
Anyone who claims to take literature and/or philosophy serious but haven't read the bible either means hunger games by literature or doesn't take it serious at all but treats it as a hobby

[Anonymous No.13543825]

>>13543617
Anon, what the crap. I'm an atheist, raised Hindu, and even I've read much of the bible because it is obviously very important to western literature.

[Anonymous No.13544015]

>>13543820
Literature is a hobby to me, I work in stem and I read because its interesting and I like it.
What exactly can I learn reading the bible, and is it even relevant today? Or is it the fiction part that is supposed to be good? As I understand bible is fiction, right??
The only reason I can think of to read the bible is to understand simple christian mind, know you enemy, but I really dont care about christian(or theistic) minds, and even (deep) understanding of others.

[Anonymous No.13544022]

>>13543825
But is it important to you?

[Anonymous No.13544364]

>>13544022
I'm unsure what you are asking, like as lit or as moral guidance? I just said it is important lit. But most of it is as crazy sounding as the myths of any other primitive tribe of people, with as bizarre of morals. The saying of Jesus can seem wise, especially with the right commentaries/interpretation, but his miracles are kind of weak sauce. Like how the only magic Gandalf really does is make his staff light up.

[Anonymous No.13544425]

>not completing the trilogy each in its original written language
yikes

[Anonymous No.13544502]

>>13544364
>ost of it is as crazy sounding as the myths of any other primitive tribe of people, with as bizarre of morals
whats the point of reading it then if its just crazy fantasies? especially if one is simply not interested in those things? Important literature, you say? important to who? christians? non christians? you as a Hindu? did you gain anything reading such drivel? or did you just waste your time?

[Anonymous No.13544681]

>>13544015
I think this is bait, but otherwise: sasuga stemfags

[Anonymous No.13544703]

Why yes, I do prefer the New Living Translation: Hope for Today edition. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.13544746]

>>13544681
to put it simply, bible and any such religious writings is trash, unless you are christ fag why would even bother with it? I honestly dont see where the value in bible is, by that same logic some shitty fantasy novel written today will be the most important piece of text some 2000 years later.

[Anonymous No.13544978]

>>13542331
>Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.13545022]

>>13544746
Have you read it? Since I know you haven't, how could you possibly say whether or not there's value in it?

[Anonymous No.13545047]

>>13545022
Answer his questions. He is asking you.

[Anonymous No.13545434]

>>13544746
Ladies and gentlemen, the poor burger, educated to a 3rd grade level on everything but hip-hop and pop stars...

[Anonymous No.13545460]

>>13545434
do tell the value of bible in the modern world

[Anonymous No.13545526]

>>13543452
Look up the Book of Kells. Mohammedans stole their aesthetic from based Christian Celts

[Anonymous No.13545609]

>>13545460
Take your head out of your ass and witness the entirety of 'Western Culture' - post Constantine 99% of western thought is a reaction to or against the Bible. Most of your deeply rooted beliefs come from traditions centered in the Bible (e.g. even noticed how close the idea of 'White Privilege' is to 'Original Sin'? - this is an idea of 'modern thought' that mirrors almost identically beliefs first brought out by Biblical scholars).

It is the foundation implicit or explicit for our system of morals and ethics...

[Anonymous No.13545772]

>>13544502
>>13544746
Do you hold such apathy towards Homer? Refuse to look at Mahabharata and Analects? These are foundational works of entire cultures. How do expect to understand these cultures by ignoring their history?
Which culture do you live in? Is it maybe a western one? Perhaps you should know what it's about? Maybe you believe a bunch of junk that isn't true, things you learnt on the playground like the rumors about sex. I thought the Trojan horse was the Iliad's whole deal, but it's only a paragraph in the Odyssey!
African and native American myths are of even lower quality but, unless you're very /pol/, I doubt you'd be so hateful towards them so I just wonder if you're being honest with yourself about your reasons.

[Anonymous No.13547289]

>>13545609
So the bible is pretty much responsible for the idea of white privilege. Great.

>>13545772
>How do expect to understand these cultures by ignoring their history?
I dont, I dont care about indian cultures or ancient hebrew or even christian culture.
I live in the west, and western culture or any culture frankly doesnt interest me, bible and our culture is simply reflection of western/european character tendencies, its just some cant accept the fact we are born with it so they had to invent god to explain how it all works. This is what bible is therefore if you havent in you the understanding and concept of being helpful person and being able to cooperate with others, then yeah maybe bible is a must read for you.

[Anonymous No.13547309]

>>13543259
>>13543510
>>13543617
>>13544015
>>13544746
Well done

[Anonymous No.13547430]

>>13547289
>I live in the west, and western culture or any culture frankly doesnt interest me
So do you ever catch the people laughing and pointing behind your back?

[Anonymous No.13547469]

>>13547430
Why would they?

[Anonymous No.13547542]

>>13542295
>equality revision
>being anything but a sad red mark on history

[Anonymous No.13547545]

>>13542295
Nope