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13538128 No.13538128 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a nucleus of idealism built into every person? Are we all carefully guarding a little reactor core of tender, sentimental hopefulness and love?

>> No.13538140

No.

>> No.13538144

>Muh idealism
We are in a material world
You have no soul
Consciousness is material
There is no god
We are nothing but chemicals
That is the real redpill

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13538149

Yes, until you get betrayed by reality.

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>>13538149
But you're obliged to not let that hurt snuff out the fire in your heart, no?

>> No.13538162

>>13538144
Ultimate bluepill

>> No.13538164

There is one mind common to all individual men. Every man is an inlet to the same and to all of the same. He that is once admitted to the right of reason is made a freeman of the whole estate. What Plato has thought, he may think; what a saint has felt, he may feel; what at any time has be-fallen any man, he can understand. Who hath access to this universal mind is a party to all that is or can be done, for this is the only and sovereign agent.

>> No.13538175

>>13538164
Can we syncretize this notion with materialism and e.g. accurately describe consciousness as a field, like electromagnetism and gravity?

>> No.13538176

>>13538158
I try, but I already became an antisocial crazy person.

>> No.13538192

>>13538175
There is one mind common to all individual men. Of the works of this mind history is the record. Man is explicable by nothing less than all his history. all the facts of history pre-exist as laws. Each law in turn is made by circumstances predominant. The creation of a thousand forests is in one acorn, and Egypt, Greece, Rome, Gaul, Britain, America, lie folded already in the first man. Epoch after epoch, camp, kingdom, empire, republic, democracy, are merely the application of this manifold spirit to the manifold world.

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>>13538144
>imaging having no ability to sense the metaphysical

>> No.13538241

>>13538144
>material world
Does justice exist? In a material world it couldn't. How can you justify a legal system without transcendent ethics?

>> No.13538251

>>13538192
How does this spirit reconcile the co-extant realities of optimism and disappointment? The shiver of noble and defensor / protector feeling in men, can it be quashed entirely by adverse circumstances? Is it integral and immutable?

>> No.13538288

>>13538251
Notice how translating "defender" into Latin gives it a martial flavor. Does this follow from the Romans being generally martial, or is it just a factor of seeming like one of the many new words created during / after the crisis of the third century to describe the revamped imperial military structure?

>> No.13538300

>>13538251
Not him, but I would say that while it can be denied, suppressed, and permanently wounded, it can never be destroyed

>> No.13538305

>>13538128
I’d say so. Then a person’s optimism becomes shattered around about high school age once they have their first encounter with suffering and cruelty.

From that point, it’s up to that individual whether they want to continue down the road of pessimism, or try to reconnect with that idealism. The latter is the more difficult of these two options but it is possible.

>> No.13538334

>>13538128
It's called childhood.

>> No.13538353

>>13538251
The difference between men is in their principle of association. Some men classify objects by color and size and other accidents of appearance; others by intrinsic likeness, or by the relation of cause and effect. The progress of the intellect is to the clearer vision of causes, which neglects surface differences. To the poet, to the philosopher, to the saint, all things are friendly and sacred, all events profitable, all days holy, all men divine. For the eye is fastened on the life, and slights the circumstance. Every chemical substance, every plant, every animal in its growth, teaches the unity of cause, the variety of appearance.

>> No.13538367

>>13538305
I think we're talking about a different idealism itt

>> No.13538432

>>13538241
You can't, morality is bs

>> No.13538512

>>13538432
ok Elliot. Go back to arguing about bears, cunt

>> No.13538541

>>13538512
Why so mad?

>> No.13538656

>>13538367
I don’t see how it’s different. As children we’re open minded to sentimentality and love, but our hearts harden when we get hurt or betrayed for the first time. Some people stay in this state of bitterness for the remainder of their lives, but some find hope in humanity again despite humanity’s faults. For the record, I’ve found that the elderly and the religious tend to be more sentimental and hopeful.