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[Anonymous No.13533551]

How to escape Stirnerism?

[Anonymous No.13533556]

>>13533551
Grow up.

[Anonymous No.13533568]

>>13533556
How do I do this?

[Anonymous No.13533583]

You can't

[Anonymous No.13533608]

>>13533568

[Anonymous No.13533619]

>>13533608
Epic!

[Anonymous No.13533632]

Seriously guys, what comes next after the Ego pill?

How do I avoid trampling on those around me? Why would I even want to avoid that? How can I give myself freely to someone if it doesn't benefit me? Or does it benefit me in a way I'm unaware of to devote to something that doesnt directly care about me?

[Anonymous No.13533679]

>>13533632
You're still biologically human and thus driven by your instincts to a large degree. Unless you're clinically a psychopath, you should be hardwired to derive some degree of contentment from being altruistic and empathic. If your altruism and empathy are strong enough, you should not want to trample those around you, at least most of the time.

[Anonymous No.13533714]

>>13533551
I think the big thing that most people ignore is how a certain text is written. You should be very attuned to “mood“ and approach when it comes to the writing because the content of what is written and the way it is written have more in common than merely explication. Stirners introduction and a few other passages are absolutely beast, I feel like they are absolutely necessary readings and are very helpful to everyone in their life. There are moments when being selfish a I feel like they are absolutely necessary readings and are very helpful to everyone in their life. There are moments when being selfish actually helps the people around you, like when other people are not attuned to what’s good for you but you are and you know that what you have to do will help them whether they know it or not. That is an aspect of selfishness. But to put selfishness at the middle of your sense of ethics is borderline autistic. To put selfishness at the middle of your metaphysical approach to reality, which would result in reading history in regards to the development of egoism and being selfish, that’s just laughable. When sterner goes through the ancients and the moderns and just bashes everybody, it’s absolutely obvious to see he is not a good teacher let alone a good thinker most definitely not right. Same with Freddy. History is so crucial and the collecting of your own personal data an archive should be done with the upmost impunity to preference or bias. What I’m trying to say is that as a student you should be collecting and listening to as much data as possible before making a judgment and creating filters. History is so crucial and the collecting of your own personal data in archive should be done with the upmost impunity to preference or bias. What I’m trying to say is that as a student you should be collecting and listening to as much data as possible before making a judgment and creating filters. You won’t know why something is wrong if you do not expose yourself to it. I am mediately knew I didn’t like Freddy but I read it anyways just to realize more exactly why I didn’t like it. Trump is obviously a joke but that didn’t stop me from reading the Art of the Deal. I think Fox News is genuinely Faux News, but that doesn’t stop me from watching it. You should be absolutely indiscriminate if you want to become a truly intelligent person. I remember when I studied cinema something Kubrick said, that he learned just as much from watching bad movies as from watching the best movies.

[Anonymous No.13533728]

>>13533714
t. Dictated but not read

[Anonymous No.13533740]

>>13533632
You need to grow up, facebook.

[Anonymous No.13533749]

>>13533619

[Anonymous No.13533811]

Read Nietzsche. Disregard other people's spooks, make your own spooks.

[Anonymous No.13533839]

>>13533811
That seems like the logical end.

Freedom from others. Submission to your own quest and conjuration and necromancy of whatever spooks you need to aid on the path to wherever you're going.

I like you

[Anonymous No.13533846]

>>13533551
read berdyaev

[Anonymous No.13533860]

>>13533811
>>13533839

I now pronounce you Mr and Ms David Copeandfeel

[Anonymous No.13533878]

>>13533860
This is the future of those two.

[Anonymous No.13533881]

>>13533551
realize that spooks are a spook

[Anonymous No.13534070]

by not eating meme dilutions of philosophy and treating thought like literal pills like all answers in this thread

[Anonymous No.13534078]

>>13533878
How to avoid this futur??

[Anonymous No.13534151]

>>13534070
You include yourself in that judgment professor

[Anonymous No.13534163]

>>13533551
wait for the next ebin /lit/ meme to devote your life to

[Anonymous No.13535726]

its over bros
Stirner is the dead end of philosophy

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13535733]

>>13535726
Its a nice cul de sac, really

[Anonymous No.13535752]

>>13535726
If you are weak minded, yeah he is.

[Anonymous No.13535953]

Does /lit/ actually reads Stirner?

[Anonymous No.13535973]

>>13533632
James?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13535978]

>>13535953
Most of us did back in the day. Now we have a loud minority of bible thumpers that hardly peek at the wiki.

[† No.13536065]

>>13535978
Bet you didn’t read Das unwahre Prinzip unserer Erziehung, oder: Humanismus und Realismus heathen

[Anonymous No.13536068]

>>13533551
Finish his whole book from cover to cover and say in all honesty what you think about it

[Anonymous No.13536075]

>>13533551
Do what you will and do so without fear or regret.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13536102]

>>13536065
I did actually! It’s included in this anthology

[† No.13536116]

>>13536065
>Stirner saw educational theory in his day as a battlefield between the two parties—humanists, grasping the past; and realists, seizing the present. He criticised both as seeking power over the "transitory" as viewing education as a "struggle towards mastery in the handling of material". Stirner supports the realist criticism that the humanists seek knowledge for its own sake, but asks whether the realists do any better. Because the realists merely supply the individual with the tools to achieve his will, without reforming that will, they fail to achieve what Stirner calls "freedom of will". They fail to reach self-understanding (a concept Stirner took from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and twisted in his fashion in The Ego and its Own) and "fall in the abyss of their own emptiness".

>If the failures of the humanists and realists are truly to be overcome, "the final goal of education can no longer be knowledge". Asserting that "only the spirit which understands itself is eternal", Stirner calls for a shift in the principle of education from making us "masters of things" to making us "free natures". Until one knows oneself, one has not mastered one's own will, and one is merely subservient; once one masters it one is free.

>Stirner names his educational principle "personalist", explaining that self-understanding consists in hourly self-creation. Education is to create "free men, sovereign characters", by which he means "eternal characters [...] who are therefore eternal because they form themselves each moment".

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-false-principle-of-our-education

[Anonymous No.13536123]

>>13536102
>His revolutionary defense of free love and homosexuality influenced the development of queer anarchism.

21th century "anarchists" everybody.

[Anonymous No.13536125]

>>13536075
How..

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13536131]

>>13536123
Do you know what anthology means?

[† No.13536164]

>>13536116
Just in case anybody wanted to read it
for free
and not pay some third party publisher
with your credit card
and wait for it to be delivered by mail
just to read a book
about anarchy

[Anonymous No.13536174]

>>13536131
Do you know what anarchism is? You are literally just a LARPer. You give bad looks to anarchism, is no wonder is so mocked here, with Trash like you giving it a bad name.
Hell, even a Chomsky follower has more brain matter than you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13536202]

>>13536174
What country you from?

[Anonymous No.13536216]

>>13536202
what?

[Anonymous No.13536254]

>>13536216
This
>>13536202
Spain, Catalonia.

[Anonymous No.13536300]

Take the Scheler pill

[Anonymous No.13536546]

>>13533551
Realize that the ego is limited in ways that don't seem to be compatible with egoism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13536579]

>>13536254
Catalonia isn’t in Spain.

[Anonymous No.13536788]

>>13533551
The ego is a spook

[Anonymous No.13536795]

>>13533632
Because of win-win situation. Trampling other people doesn't really benefit me. By helping other people they will also help me. Few people will only be my enemy. I will have more people to use, be less anxious and be more happy.

[Anonymous No.13536811]

>>13536579
Yikes, one of my favourite retards of this board is from the same place as me, wonder if you live in Barcelona too.

[Anonymous No.13536815]

>>13536795
It's not a pleasant way of viewing human interaction though, is it?

[Anonymous No.13537131]

>>13536795
Unironically this.
>>13536815
Humanity isn't pleasant.

[Anonymous No.13537137]

>>13533632
The picrelatedpill is your answer. Bust out the German Ideology and watch Stirner get crushed.

[Anonymous No.13537139]

>>13533632
>what comes next after the Ego pill?
The ego death pill.

[Anonymous No.13537196]

>>13537137
>Read this book by Marx that I haven't read which claims to refute Stirner but doesn't actually refute Stirner
Not based.

[Anonymous No.13537225]

By stop buying any philosophical bs some try to sell you.

[Anonymous No.13537228]

>>13537137
You haven't read Marx.

[Anonymous No.13537278]

>>13536579
>Catalonia isn’t in Spain.
Says the ameriburger who hasn't traveled anywhere ever. Btw all the drama regarding Catanolian is globalist and involves government, so yeah this really confirms you aren't an anarchist and just an ignorant child spitting liquid diarrhea on an anime forum, what are the odds.

[Anonymous No.13537971]

>>13536788
whats not a spook?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13538022]

>>13537278
Being an anarchist I’m more regionalist, so to speak. Spain would be in as much fiscal trouble as Greece if Catalonia were to stop paying you louts taxes. Stupid fascists, stupid neoliberals.

[Anonymous No.13538947]

>>13533839
It stops being a spook if you hold power over the concept/relationship/etc, ergo utilizing it insofar as it is useful to your "quest", pleasure or other form of happiness. What you described, at least to me, just sounds like the already thought-out concept of tue Union of Egoists.

[Anonymous No.13539458]

>>13537196
>>13537228
Why do you two think I haven't read it? I have, Marx fucks Stirner up while highlighting how historical materialism incorporates his ideas and outmodes them.

[Anonymous No.13540191]

>>13537971
most things can, nothing is in itself

[Anonymous No.13540214]

>>13537228
You haven't read the Bible

[Anonymous No.13540561]

>>13533551
Become a negroid or mongoloid

[Anonymous No.13541565]

>>13533551
Dostoyevsky and kierkegaard works for some. there is an interesteing way to alchemize stirner with religion. there is a Stirnerian reading of the golden rule. at the end of the day it comes back to what is real, because if you think hunger is a spook you might starve. unfortunately metaphysical realities aren't as immediately discernable.

[Anonymous No.13542374]

>>13533551
You can't. Much like what some think of Hegel's system, ironically.

The dead simple notions of power-relations and duped egoism he proclaims are universal, that is, they are actually immanent to any system you may try to bring up as a counterfactual. He points to the underlying process which exists in any case. The people, the king, God, etc, these are all fixtures of arbitrary command, made so by power alone, in its gross and subtle forms. A right without might is no right at all, it has no power to affect etc. There is no real prescription here. Stirner recognizes this and makes the attempt at shifting the locus of ontological privilege onto himself. Now, of course, there are details and odd implications to various other areas of interest and whatever, but the general scheme can't be avoided.

[Anonymous No.13542392]

>>13536795
This is the only true answer, while it may seem fun or enticing to trample everything and everyone in your path it will eventually catch up to you. No matter how strong, rich, clever or smart you are you can never overpower the entire mass of the world, at least not at once. Being an egoist ironically consists of carefully considering you actions and the effects they may have on yourself and others.

[Anonymous No.13543924]

>>13540561
yikes

[Anonymous No.13544479]

>>13533551
Just avoid isms, bro. Not healthy.