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>yes, I do support neocameralism, how did you know?

>> No.13532007

>>13531957
u look like that guy from monkey island but older and trying to be edgy with your ill-fitting jacket

>> No.13532257

>>13531957
Does he bring those boxes with him to the woods? weird

>> No.13532308

>>13532257
Yes along with the camerman

>> No.13532346

>>13532257
Also why wouldn't you stack the boxes evenly atop each other? You might fall.

>> No.13532365

Very well crafted meme. Is it in praise of Moldbug? Is it mocking him? Maybe it is a commentary on ideological bias and how we lionise our own preferred intellectuals?

>> No.13532421
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>>13532257
Boxes were already there

>> No.13532433

>>13532421
based too-long sleeves

>> No.13532462
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There are rumors he will appear in Death Stranding (apparently Thiel loaned a large amount of money to Kojima at some point)

>> No.13532485

anyone try urbit?

>> No.13532501

>go to all the effort of of getting a proper photographer and props
>forget to suck in your gut
Shit man that's like the number 1 rule of getting a picture taken for middle aged men

>> No.13532601
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>>13531957
Is neocameralism actually neoreactionary, or just endgame neoliberalism i.e. neofeudalism?

>> No.13532738

>>13532462
damn he's so ugly and weird looking

>> No.13532881

>>13532007
Guybrush Threepwood? Or a different guy?

>> No.13533050

>>13532601
it's classical liberalism without the humanism

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>>13532421
>>13531957
>pants too short
>sleeves too long
>incel glasses
>dress shoes fo whatever reason
>fat legs
>wtf is that shirt
he should have sex or something

>> No.13533669

>>13531957
I miss this nigga like you wouldn't believe

>> No.13533711

>>13533050
But it plays out as neofeudalism; with a bunch of self-interested fiefdoms and mobile serfs. Eventually this "Patchwork" falls apart once one of the fiefs remembers Imperialism and the map becomes less prismatic overtime.

Don't get me wrong, I find the ideas interesting. Just that I'm not seeing this as a stable system in the long run.

>> No.13533735

>>13533050
You are right about the second part but I don't know how you can call something liberal when it eschews natural rights, democracy, equality and basically every other foundational value of liberalism. I suppose that because Moldbug likes markets and sometimes uses terminology and analogy borrowed from business one could make this association but it isn't fitting, really. Especially since he uses all of this to basically say 'might is right, order is good, democracy was a mistake.'

>> No.13533813

>>13533735
I believe the idea is that between the cameral states, there is some sort of explicit constitution of agreed upon rights and obligations across other states. Beyond that, it's pretty loose how they chose to govern themselves with/without the input of the plebs.

I get the philosophy behind it: one hierarchy of power is inefficient at power distribution. Hence a plurality of hierarchies would create a sort of meta-question to the power problem; which can be solved by the mobility preference of plebs.
It's "democratic" in that latter part in the sense that the non-voting plebs (serfs/workers/non-shareholders/disenfranchised/whatever) solve the meta-problem by selecting the established hierarchies they wish to be apart of rather than be forced into one and having no agency within it.

The best analogy I can think of is that we're currently stuck playing a late game of Monopoly where there's only a few players left who control the board, but we're forced to sit and watch while being relatively bankrupt (kept around using a house-rules debt mechanism). It'd be better if we were allowed to play other games rather than just watch this solved game; perhaps even the Monopoly winners would change their game a little to entice the loser to come back and play/watch.

>> No.13533836

>>13533813
>selecting the established hierarchies they wish to be apart of rather than be forced into one and having no agency within it.
Pretty much what we have with relaxed immigration policies

>> No.13533922

>>13533836
Hence why I criticized it as a neofeudal endgame of neoliberalism. The problem is that it's the same game everywhere: Hegemonic Monopoly. Just one game, except now it's global; so we'll have more "players" (losers) to fill in the cheap seats and compete within an already lost game.
Meanwhile, I can't go into the migrant's country and set up a new competing hierarchy. I'll just be forced to play the same game from an even cheaper seat. So the number of winners stays the same, but the losers constantly increases; flushing down your already slim chances of being a winner and having some semblance of agency even further.

If Moldbug's Patchwork is based on the concept of Restricted Capital Movement, but Unrestricted Labor/People Movement, then it would be an interesting scenario to think about. I think it could work as a compelling post-cyberpunk fiction, similar to exploring a plurality of MMO VR worlds/games and seeing which one is popular by subscription. Though keeping these Capital Power structures mutually exclusive would be a difficult nut to crack.