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>There is no free will
>Who you are is shaped by your environment and genes
Yeah I'm gonna be honest here, I blame my parents for being a worthless mess. Why don't you?

>> No.13525275

It doesn’t really improve the situation so

>> No.13525284
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>>13525268
My parents literally gave me brain damage as an infant by having me clamped and circumcised.

>> No.13525288

>>13525275
Yeah, I agree. I don't dwell on it. I just recognize why I am the way I am while trying to correct myself.

>> No.13525290 [DELETED] 

>>13525284
Are you the /sci/ guy? I agree that Neuralink is cognitive clamping.

>> No.13525296

>>13525268
Society gets away with psychological abuse. It can't be held accountable if it is done small and often.

>> No.13525354

All things are born subordinates to causality, and thus have no more freedom than nature itself. It is paradoxical, however, for if all things must submit to causality, how then could the universe come into fruition?

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>>13525268
>Parents were jobless benefit scroungers with no ambitions and poor social skills
>I grew up to be a jobless benefit scrounger with no ambition and poor social skills
The one way in which I'm better than them is I refuse to have children, I'll never be so selfish, short sighted and self centered to do that.

>> No.13525395

>>13525268
Thanks OP

>> No.13525396

>>13525395
For what

>> No.13525404

>>13525396
For your post

>> No.13525436

>>13525364
You should write a book on the unique skills you’ve inherited so that we can all fuck the government

>> No.13525437

>>13525364
You should of used a semicolon instead of a comma

>> No.13525442

>>13525268
Yeah, but then not your parents but your grandparents, and not then but your great grandparents and so on.

>> No.13525444

>>13525437
I don't know how to use semi colons and I've never felt like I was missing out.

>> No.13525454

>>13525268
>There is no free will
Do you want to believe this?
Our environment is a facade - our belief shapes it and ourselves, though seemingly within limits.

Once you get rid of determinism - the slavery belief - you can live.

>> No.13525455

>>13525404
What about my post is there to be thankful for?

>> No.13525462

>>13525454
And how are you personally living?

A job, a gf, some hobbies and some dreams you'll never achieve. How can you spew this trite bullshit without cringing?

>> No.13525463

>>13525454
Do I get anything for giving up determinism

>> No.13525464

>>13525454
>Once you get rid of determinism - the slavery belief - you can live.

On the contrary, what if realizing that you don't have free will lets you enjoy life without anxiety, as if watching a movie?

It seems very unlikely to me that if the universe restarted, things would be different.

>> No.13525483

There's no need for determinism for lack of free will

>> No.13525485

>>13525462
By being an active participant and shaper of my life. I may not choose or will the politicians I'm stuck with, or how exactly my cells move - but I do choose how to spend my time.
>lists things social pressure used to be geared towards
My life is not a parameter sequence. The expression of my being and will has left me down many times. Even today it is my active will limiting the quality of my life.

>> No.13525487

>>13525463
Alternatives, potential and adventure will be within your reach.

>> No.13525490

>>13525485
Explain you have free will?

>> No.13525491

>>13525485
You're not answering the question.

You have a job, you have/want a gf, and you're chasing some dream you probably won't achieve. Am I wrong?

>> No.13525492

>>13525437
>should of

so this is the power of the literature board...

>> No.13525495

>>13525464
>On the contrary, what if realizing that you don't have free will lets you enjoy life without anxiety, as if watching a movie?
Exactly - even the highest quality media has become interactive. Determinism is a zombie generator.

>> No.13525504

>>13525491
>You have a job, you have/want a gf, and you're chasing some dream you probably won't achieve. Am I wrong?
You are. I am not chasing any dreams, nor do I want to work - I actively choose to limit myself in favor of fears and feelings, stubbornness and such.

>> No.13525505

>>13525495
>Determinism is a zombie generator
You don't become a zombie by believing in determinism. It asserts that you are already a zombie.

>> No.13525506

>>13525487
Can you put that in more material terms? How will my life differ if I believe in free will?

>> No.13525510

>>13525464
>It seems very unlikely to me that if the universe restarted, things would be different.
Physics disagree with this.

>> No.13525513

>>13525510
How so

>> No.13525514

>>13525510
How?

>> No.13525530

>>13525506
You'll regain your immaterial life and you can begin many cultivation processes. >>13525514
>>13525513
Quantum randomness is a real element in this world and it affects particles and waves all the time. The chance that it'd be identical even with the same rules is near 0.

>> No.13525538

>>13525504
WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LIFE?

It's a simple fucking question.

>> No.13525554

>>13525275
It helped me make peace with things

>> No.13525559

>>13525530
That doesn't mean we have free will though. Sure, we could act differently because of quantum randomness, but it doesn't mean we're in control. Just another thing to be a slave to, really.

>> No.13525574

>there is no free will

the ultimate in coping technology

>> No.13525576

I'm not even sure I neccesarily agree with hard determinism (because muh quantum randomness argument) but that really isn't the real crux of this discussion is it.

Free will is still a complete fiction, even if the results are not neccesarily 100% predictable we are still a pinball in a machine with no way of generating motion of our own accord

Your specific desires, temperament, whatever are all a result of things outside of your control, just let go bro, just let go

>> No.13525581

>>13525574
Explain why there is free will. These passive aggressive shitposts don't contribute to the quality of this board.

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>>13525574
Ironic post
Present an argument

>> No.13525584

>>13525581
contribute positively* i mean

>> No.13525588

Man can want whatever he likes, but he doesn't get to choose what he likes.

>> No.13525602

>>13525581
I’m not that guy, but if there is causality for all things-including actions-how could the universe ever be? How could there be nothing, no cause to bring about an effect, then, suddenly, existence? Has it always existed? If so, what is your reasoning for it?

>> No.13525614

>>13525602
It's impossible to know. It just seems most likely to me.

>> No.13525682

>>13525454
>>13525574
>None of them have explained why they believe in free will

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>>13525268
Forgiveness is the first step. Who do you think made your parents that way?

>> No.13525737

>>13525602
>How could there be nothing
Nothing doesn't exist anon, it is a human concept

>> No.13525739

>>13525268
Why doesn't that apply to your parents as well?

>> No.13525742

>>13525731
God isn't real

>> No.13525749

>>13525364
I hope youre smart enough to refuse to have sex then.

>> No.13525752

>>13525268
>blame my parents
>blame
See >>13525739.

>> No.13525754

>>13525742
My dick is.

>> No.13525765

>>13525737
There was the point before you were born, is that not nothing?

>> No.13525767

>>13525742
Yes he is, buffoon. Stop lying to yourself.

>> No.13525769

>>13525749
Of course

>> No.13525776

>>13525767
Prove it or fake and gay

>> No.13525780

>>13525268
Kek

>> No.13525788

>>13525765
The matter of which i'm composed already existed, it just wasn't arranged in the way it is currently.

>> No.13525810

>>13525788
Did you experience anything before you were born?

>> No.13525824

>>13525810
It's impossible to know.

>> No.13525831

>>13525810
did my computer had access to internet before it was arranged in its current form?

>> No.13525858

>>13525831
Was your computer a computer before it was built?

>> No.13525903

>>13525858
It wasn't nothing.

>> No.13525917

>>13525858
It was a bunch of components that weren't arranged in a way that would be classified by the human brain as a "computer"

>> No.13525923

>>13525268
Just don't think about it. That's it, really.

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>>13525268
How could you blame your parents if they didn't have any free will in the matter, either?

>> No.13525947

>>13525903
The parts may have existed to build it, but the computer can not exist before they are arranged. Therefore, you may say that the parts exist to construct a computer, but you could not say that the computer existed. There are zero computers before a computer is built. Anyways, my question was how the universe could exist without the parts to build it? The parts of a computer were supplied by the universe, but how could the universe be made if something requires the prerequisite of resources to be built?

>> No.13525952

>>13525268
They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do.

>> No.13525960

>>13525947
>but you could not say that the computer existed. There are zero computers before a computer is built
It is a word that you use to define something that was arranged in a specific way. It is just a construct of the human mind.
>how the universe could exist without the parts to build it?
Matter is energy, the total amount of energy is the same after and before.

>> No.13526003

>>13525960
Matter and energy are two different things. Energy only exists in relation to matter- it isn’t an antecedent. If there is nothing, there is no energy.

>> No.13526021

>>13526003
If energy can be neither created nor destroyed, does that mean matter can't be created or destroyed either? Food for thought...

>> No.13526030

>>13526003
>Matter and energy are two different things.
E=mc2
Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be conserved and converted from one form to another.
> If there is nothing
"nothing" is just a concept in your mind

>> No.13526088

>>13525268
Your parents too only raised you in accordance with the ability they were provided with by their own parents and envoirnment

>> No.13526143

>>13526021
>>13526030
“The first law of thermodynamics doesn't actually specify that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but instead that the total amount of energy in a closed system cannot be created nor destroyed (though it can be changed from one form to another). It was after nuclear physics told us that mass and energy are essentially equivalent - this is what Einstein meant when he wrote E= mc^2 - that we realized the 1st law of thermodynamics also applied to mass. Mass became another form of energy that had to be included in a thorough thermodynamic treatment of a system. (For a very important note on the difference between matter and mass, see here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/equivME/#2.1).).“

>> No.13526254

Look into zodiacal releasing. Once you see how accurate it is, you will give up all infantile notions of free will. Of course most of you will dismiss this, and thats fine. But for those of you with ears to hear and eyes to see, check it out.

>> No.13526421

>>13526003
>Matter and energy are two different things

>> No.13526427

>>13525268
>blank slateism

>> No.13526445

>>13525268
the term free will was invented by abrahamic religions and it refers to the free will to choose god or to not choose god, in this context the term makes sense, take it from it's context and it becomes useless.